There are more rumors from ggood sources team irc that s verizon is closer to releasing GB But it will close all presently known root methods
so much for HTC promise of unlocked boot loader
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interesting aye, Thunderbolt Gingerbread is in phase2 testing at Verizon. Just sayin'
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Maybe it's just me, but I always thought that the bootloader and the OS were separate entities. Unlocked bootloaders were promised yes, but, the promise to keep exploits in the OS for rooting was not promised. These are 2 SEPARATE ENTITIES!
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sithdroid2187 said:
Maybe it's just me, but I always thought that the bootloader and the OS were separate entities. Unlocked bootloaders were promised yes, but, the promise to keep exploits in the OS for rooting was not promised. These are 2 SEPARATE ENTITIES!
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I don't think it will be hard for any of the talented developers we have here to root the OTA ROM. Obtaining S-Off after accepting the update might be another matter, and accepting the update on a rooted but otherwise stock TBolt might break root. But as long as you've rooted before the GB update I'm sure we'll be fine. It's the poor suckers who haven't rooted waiting for the update, and once it comes decide they want to root that I feel sorry for.
don't install the OTA until it's cracked by the devs, simple as that. i give it a day or two and it would be rooted. they never close all the root exploits.
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There are more rumors from ggood sources team irc that s verizon is closer to releasing GB But it will close all presently known root methods
so much for HTC promise of unlocked boot loader
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As said, the BootLoader and rooting the OS are two different things..
That being said... I expect the DEV's to root upcoming GB updates... After all, chingy51o just created Gingeritis v1.2 from a new "non-test" GB rom... and its rooted.
KidJoe said:
As said, the BootLoader and rooting the OS are two different things..
That being said... I expect the DEV's to root upcoming GB updates... After all, chingy51o just created Gingeritis v1.2 from a new "non-test" GB rom... and its rooted.
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Building a rom that has root access is not the same thing as gaining root access on an existing installation.
Its not really the same thing, but think about having admin rights on a machine with windows already installed, verses installing it yourself. If someone else has secured the machine, getting admin could be quite hard (stfu peanut gallery, I know that's only in theory).
If you install from scratch though, you just have to tell it to make you admin
What this means though, is with source, bootloader is everything. They can lock the rom down three ways from sunday, but if devs have source, and an open bootloader, we can install WTF ever we want on the phone.
Its silly that they are so quiet with updates its not like they are launching a spy satellite but anyway. Phase 2 out of how many phases? Just curious what their proper procedure is.
Morkai Almandragon said:
Building a rom that has root access is not the same thing as gaining root access on an existing installation.
Its not really the same thing, but think about having admin rights on a machine with windows already installed, verses installing it yourself. If someone else has secured the machine, getting admin could be quite hard (stfu peanut gallery, I know that's only in theory).
If you install from scratch though, you just have to tell it to make you admin
What this means though, is with source, bootloader is everything. They can lock the rom down three ways from sunday, but if devs have source, and an open bootloader, we can install WTF ever we want on the phone.
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I understand the analogy of admin rights on windows already vs a regular user trying to get admin rights after the fact.
I'm not a developer, nor do I know the first thing about creating a "custom rom"... so my thought is... Chingy51o used a "GB leak that is newer than the last" as the base to create Gingeritis v1.2 which is rooted.... How much harder can it be for the DEV's to put out an already rooted/busyboxed version of that GB ROM Chingy used as the base?
And if that is possible... then the S-Off/Root processes (where you flash to older rom first to exploit...) could be used by those who took the upgrade... and flash the already rooted ROM, no?
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I understand the analogy of admin rights on windows already vs a regular user trying to get admin rights after the fact.
I'm not a developer, nor do I know the first thing about creating a "custom rom"... so my thought is... Chingy51o used a "GB leak that is newer than the last" as the base to create Gingeritis v1.2 which is rooted.... How much harder can it be for the DEV's to put out an already rooted/busyboxed version of that GB ROM Chingy used as the base?
And if that is possible... then the S-Off/Root processes (where you flash to older rom first to exploit...) could be used by those who took the upgrade... and flash the already rooted ROM, no?
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You might not be able to downgrade once you accept the update, this happened on the Incredible. They had rooted 2.1 on the Incredible,then there was an OTA (still 2.1) which required you to downgrade to root, similar to what we're doing now. When Froyo came out, of you accepted the OTA there was no way to downgrade and root. We (I personally) had to wait for them (the unrevoked team) to crack froyo to gain root access. I would suggest you root now, then wait for someone to release a rooted version of the OTA. Just my experience in the matter.
Why not flash an older RUU that has the known exploit?
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Why not flash an older RUU that has the known exploit?
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I'm not saying you won't be able to after the GB OTA on the Thunderbolt, but on the Incredible after the Froyo OTA you could not flash an older RUU. That's my knowledge on the subject.
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You might not be able to downgrade once you accept the update, this happened on the Incredible. They had rooted 2.1 on the Incredible,then there was an OTA (still 2.1) which required you to downgrade to root, similar to what we're doing now. When Froyo came out, of you accepted the OTA there was no way to downgrade and root. We (I personally) had to wait for them (the unrevoked team) to crack froyo to gain root access. I would suggest you root now, then wait for someone to release a rooted version of the OTA. Just my experience in the matter.
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Sorry, my memory on each phone and their specific quirks is fuzzy (between the D1, X, INC and TB, and add in the NookColor and Xoom, and I sometimes have troubles remembering)
But I do remember a friend had sent me his Inc for my then fiance (now wife)... he didn't S-OFF, took an update and lost root... So when I got it, I had to jump through a few hoops to get her's S-OFF and rooted as the Unrevoked tools didn't work on that version yet.
Are you thinking that the Dev's wont be able to pack a pre-rooted/busybox'd/SU version for those with S-OFF and root already?
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Sorry, my memory on each phone and their specific quirks is fuzzy (between the D1, X, INC and TB, and add in the NookColor and Xoom, and I sometimes have troubles remembering)
But I do remember a friend had sent me his Inc for my then fiance (now wife)... he didn't S-OFF, took an update and lost root... So when I got it, I had to jump through a few hoops to get her's S-OFF and rooted as the Unrevoked tools didn't work on that version yet.
Are you thinking that the Dev's wont be able to pack a pre-rooted/busybox'd/SU version for those with S-OFF and root already?
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I think they absolutely will be able to, in fact I almost know so. I'm simply not sure how easy it will be to obtain s-off after accepting the update. I could be wrong, it's happened before, I think it was on a Tuesday...
Edit: In other words, I think it would be wise to obtain s-off while on 2.2 then wait for one of our wonderful developers to provide a rooted version.
It seems HTC's 2.3.4 Gingerbread builds are quite secure. I guess all builds of it are, not just HTC's. I have just noticed a trend with HTC's builds being rather difficult to obtain even temp root.
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hmmm maybe I should root this week then.
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It seems HTC's 2.3.4 Gingerbread builds are quite secure. I guess all builds of it are, not just HTC's. I have just noticed a trend with HTC's builds being rather difficult to obtain even temp root.
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Hopefully people are looking into it now that the new GB rom has leaked.
AlphaRevX managed to unlock the bootloaders on the evo 3D and sensation. Don't see what would be diffrent on the Thunderbolt if it gets locked down again.
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I haven't seen a thread about this, and it looks like this method is fairly fresh. I figured I'd give it a try...and it doesn't seem to work.
It gets hung up on the "flashing recovery image" part.
**Edit**
You have to remove HTC Sync AND the drivers that come with it. When I first tried this, I just installed the USB drivers that unrEVOked came. Looks like you have to totally removed anything from HTC before this can work.
And yes, it does work.
Same thing happens to me.
I have the latest software from Sprint. I don't know if this not working has anything to do with me trying to run unrevoked2 previously.
Not sure...I would uninstall any software from Sprint and HTC before you run this.
That may help.
Great job unrEVOked team. I waited to root my phone again until you guys figured it out again.
What does it do...?
can somebody give a detailed step by step on how to use this unrevoked 3?
and will it leave us having the new 1.47 radio and wifi update?
I asked this on another forum... but why not here?
Does this unrevoked do a full root, where it wipes all your data?
After seeing their one patch potentially ruin people's 4G for good, I've decided not to try their methods anymore. Hopefully 3.0 helps some people.
I like the Simple Root method and Whitslack's method.
So it seems like it doesn't wipe your data... anyone tried this and can confirm?
it doesn't wipe your data i just rooted mine in 3 minutes
halorin said:
After seeing their one patch potentially ruin people's 4G for good, I've decided not to try their methods anymore. Hopefully 3.0 helps some people.
I like the Simple Root method and Whitslack's method.
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I just want to clarify that unrEVOked is not responsible for that. There was a problem with the OTA update itself that broke 4G for some people, which HTC is and was responsible for. The only thing unrEVOked did was distribute said OTA update in pre-rooted form.
So after you run this, will it be possible to unlock nand protection to achieve a full root?
Ah ok uninstalling HTC Sync and its driver did the trick. I'm now rooted for the first time! w00t!
android-wifi-tether works great too!
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I just want to clarify that unrEVOked is not responsible for that. There was a problem with the OTA update itself that broke 4G for some people, which HTC is and was responsible for. The only thing unrEVOked did was distribute said OTA update in pre-rooted form.
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That's 100% not true. The borking of the 4g was due to the way that the unrEVOked method wrote the wimax image to the wimax partition. This wasn't unique to the unrEVOked method, but it was something that should likely have been tested before release.
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I asked this on another forum... but why not here?
Does this unrevoked do a full root, where it wipes all your data?
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No, it doesn't wipe ANY of your data. After I performed it, all of my apps and files were still 100% intact.
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can somebody give a detailed step by step on how to use this unrevoked 3?
and will it leave us having the new 1.47 radio and wifi update?
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I believe it does. My software version didn't change afterwards.
To be frank, I'm not really sure how exactly this works. I know it changes your recovery, but other than that...I have no clue.
Still, it's a way of a achieving root that I'm fairly confident most users can pull off.
Remember: YOU MUST REMOVE HTC SYNC, AND ANY HTC/SPRINT DRIVERS
Otherwise...it gets hung up during the process.
Yeah whoops...
Make sure you uninstall HTC Sync AND HTC Drivers... if you have Windows 7, just search, from the launcher thing, "htc un--" and it'll fill in the rest.
Edit: Trying it for the second time, it gets stuck at "Waiting for device..." and it's connected.
Edit 2: DON'T uninstall the extra htc drivers... I don't know, but it's not recognizing my phone now, zzz.
So I'm confused a little bit. With unrevoked 3 you can flash a recovery image and flash a custom ROM now?
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So I'm confused a little bit. With unrevoked 3 you can flash a recovery image and flash a custom ROM now?
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On their site they say: unrevoked3 will replace the stock Android recovery with a custom one, which adds many features including “nandroid” backups, the ability to use custom ROMs, and a greater amount of flexibility and customization of your Android phone.
So I'm guessing I could finally try out some of those ROM's I seeing floating around here. All I'm really after is a fully functional version of Froyo for the Evo, but I'm not sure if that's out yet...
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On their site they say: unrevoked3 will replace the stock Android recovery with a custom one, which adds many features including “nandroid” backups, the ability to use custom ROMs, and a greater amount of flexibility and customization of your Android phone.
So I'm guessing I could finally try out some of those ROM's I seeing floating around here. All I'm really after is a fully functional version of Froyo for the Evo, but I'm not sure if that's out yet...
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Nothing working 100% yet, but DamageControl & Cyanogen are the two closest i think ( hope to see a 100%-working FroYo within the next few days ).
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On their site they say: unrevoked3 will replace the stock Android recovery with a custom one, which adds many features including “nandroid” backups, the ability to use custom ROMs, and a greater amount of flexibility and customization of your Android phone.
So I'm guessing I could finally try out some of those ROM's I seeing floating around here. All I'm really after is a fully functional version of Froyo for the Evo, but I'm not sure if that's out yet...
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So this is full root like how everybody is doing manually? Can a expert chime in on this method and explain the drawback to this if any?
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Hey all,
We've been working pretty hard to bring you unrEVOked 3.2 with out-of-the-box, one-click support for all Android versions on EVO. No system downgrading or /data wiping, one-click root, a full NAND unlock and no PRI downgrade.
Available for Linux, Mac, and Windows:
http://www.unrevoked.com/recovery/
Please start by visiting the help page and reading it through:
http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/unrevoked3
1. Windows users MUST install the HBOOT drivers for this to work:
http://www.unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php?id=public:windows_hboot_driver_install
2. Windows users need to uninstall HTC Sync or any other program that might talk to the phone over USB (doubletwist, etc). Disabling HTC Sync from the system tray is not enough. They interfere with the root process and will cause problems.
3. When asked for USB connection type, select "Charge Only" and "Remember this".
Special thanks to Sebastian Krahmer for the rageagainstthecage exploit.
oh wow. Good stuff.
That is awesome news. You guys are doing a great job!
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Could you please tell us all what has changed so far with this, if any? Nand unlock? Any side differences compared to toast's method, no?
YenahsYenzow said:
Could you please tell us all what has changed so far with this, if any? Nand unlock? Any side differences compared to toast's method, no?
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This tool works on Windows, Mac and Linux for all released versions of the EVO Android system. When you run it, it permanently unlocks NAND and turns off security, installs clockworkmod (or another recovery of your choice) and installs the su/superuser.apk tools.
It requires no additional ROM downloads, doesn't wipe your data (like the current method that uses unrevoked forever + unrevoked 3.1 to downgrade) and keeps your PRI at 1.40
Bonus: it's one-click.
One Click is what I like to hear. Less chances for me to screw something up
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…and keeps your PRI at 1.34.
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Isn't that a disadvantage?
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Isn't that a disadvantage?
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Typo.. I meant 1.40. Sorry, busy with testing right now and mistyped.
i would've volunteered but i just did the whole downgrading upgrading method two hours ago! frustrating is all i can say but i'm done. now i just have to find a ROM.
I have an incredible myself and can't wait for this method to be official. but i've come across a different project. my buddy saw my customized incredible and wants me to root his EVO. he wants it more for the wifi tethering. but he currently uppdated to 2.2. i know there are several methods to root after the 2.2 update but my question is: how do we remove root just in case he needs to take the phone to sprint for service? thats the only reason thats holding me back from rooting his phone. i want to be able to have everything lined up for him in case a situation comes up and needs to return the phone. if there is a root and unroot process for 2.2 then i wouldn't mind testing. any input is greatly appreciated.
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This tool works on Windows, Mac and Linux for all released versions of the EVO Android system. When you run it, it turns off security (optionally), installs clockworkmod (or another recovery of your choice) and installs the su/superuser.apk tools.
It requires no additional ROM downloads, doesn't wipe your data (like the current method that uses unrevoked forever + unrevoked 3.1 to downgrade) and keeps your PRI at 1.40
Bonus: it's one-click.
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But does it unlock NAND?
If it's a pretty tried and true method, I might be willing to try it out on my dads unrooted EVO via the mac program. I understand it IS a testing request, but you sound pretty confident in your work.
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But does it unlock NAND?
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Yes, it unlocks nand if you disable security on the device (which this does by default).
Just completed root/s-off on a white evo 4g with stock 2.2 from the store today. Took five minutes. Thanks for all the hard work!
I'm trying to root today, and didn't know this was available to try... I'm a total noob at this, FYI.
Gonna ask here, seeing as I think it might be the best place... will this allow for the current framerate cap to be removed? That's kind of my entire purpose for looking at rooting my phone, I find everything else is 100% fine for my needs and uses.
I'm always seeing problems that people have after rooting... like losing the WiMax radio, GPS crashing their phone, things missing, this and that not working...
I just don't feel that framerate cap to be THAT big of a deal for me to go and sacrifice two or three things I use regularly over that one slightly minor thing...
thefoodman52 said:
I'm trying to root today, and didn't know this was available to try... I'm a total noob at this, FYI.
Gonna ask here, seeing as I think it might be the best place... will this allow for the current framerate cap to be removed? That's kind of my entire purpose for looking at rooting my phone, I find everything else is 100% fine for my needs and uses.
I'm always seeing problems that people have after rooting... like losing the WiMax radio, GPS crashing their phone, things missing, this and that not working...
I just don't feel that framerate cap to be THAT big of a deal for me to go and sacrifice two or three things I use regularly over that one slightly minor thing...
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The act of rooting doesn't take away those features. It's the ROM that you flash that affects how the phone operates. I do believe there a couple ROMs available, that you can find in the Dev section, that fix the fps. I personally love CM6 with the Snap 7.5 kernel.
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The act of rooting doesn't take away those features. It's the ROM that you flash that affects how the phone operates. I do believe there a couple ROMs available, that you can find in the Dev section, that fix the fps. I personally love CM6 with the Snap 7.5 kernel.
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more so it's the kernels that fix the fps isnt it.
Yea.... all I want is the FPS fixed. I don't really want all the extras that are thrown in with these rom's around... that and ability to install things like the wireless tether app.
mmastrac said:
Hey all,
We've been working pretty hard to bring you unrEVOked 3.2 with out-of-the-box, one-click support for all Android versions on EVO. No system downgrading or /data wiping, one-click root, a full NAND unlock and no PRI downgrade.
It's working flawlessly on our testing devices, but we are releasing it for a quick round of testing before distributing it more widely. If you are interested in helping us test, please join me in #unrevokedtest on freenode.net.
I'll replace the content here with the links to the updated tool once we've finished testing.
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I would like to be a tester using my cousin evo
I too would be willing to test on a 2.2 evo.
Hello all,
I am fairly new to android, the Epic is my first android phone purchased on launch day. But I am very new to HTC and the EVO Shift. I just purchased one for my wife. I was wondering if someone could point me to some instructions, or just give me some, on how to best install clockwork and a rom. Her phone came with the latest update. Basically I would prefer to remain stock with just root and wireless tether. If anyone could help me accomplish this I would greatly appreciate it.
You are going to have to look at the temp root thread that is right here in this forum since she is on the newest update. You are kind of limited to what you can do unless a permanent root solution is found. Wireless tether should work. I think you may be able to remove or freeze the bloat using somethin like titanium but it will probably come back when you reboot. Can't use any custom roms yet either...
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Hello all,
I am fairly new to android, the Epic is my first android phone purchased on launch day. But I am very new to HTC and the EVO Shift. I just purchased one for my wife. I was wondering if someone could point me to some instructions, or just give me some, on how to best install clockwork and a rom. Her phone came with the latest update. Basically I would prefer to remain stock with just root and wireless tether. If anyone could help me accomplish this I would greatly appreciate it.
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The only root that has been gained on the evo shift GB update is temproot no perm root yet so on a simple reboot you lose root, there is no recovery and no custom roms while temp rooted, there are a couple threads dedicated to this stuff here already
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strapped365 said:
The only root that has been gained on the evo shift GB update is temproot no perm root yet so on a simple reboot you lose root, there is no recovery and no custom roms while temp rooted, there are a couple threads dedicated to this stuff here already
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Yeah I knew there was only temp root but I saw some roms that were gingerbread with root. So I didn't understand how that was. I thought maybe if you could get clockwork installed with temp root you could still flash a rom. So are the gingerbread roms only for people on froyo? Can you downgrade to froyo and upgrade to the gingerbread rom? Also what do you use to flash roms. With samsung you have odin. What do you use on htc? I see mention of ruu but have seen nothing on how to use it or where to get it. Sorry for so many questions and being really new to this side of the pond.
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crawrj said:
Yeah I knew there was only temp root but I saw some roms that were gingerbread with root. So I didn't understand how that was. I thought maybe if you could get clockwork installed with temp root you could still flash a rom. So are the gingerbread roms only for people on froyo? Can you downgrade to froyo and upgrade to the gingerbread rom? Also what do you use to flash roms. With samsung you have odin. What do you use on htc? I see mention of ruu but have seen nothing on how to use it or where to get it. Sorry for so many questions and being really new to this side of the pond.
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Flashing clockworkMod while temp rooted isn't going to work, as soon as your phone tries to reboot you lose root. So you can't access Clockwork, which is how/where you flash ROMs. Currently there is no way to revert back to froyo, the new bootloaders do not recognize the froyo RUU. Basically until a perm root solution is found, temp root is the best you can do.
The ROMs that you see are for user that rooted while running froyo and never took the "official" update from HTC.
Did you buy your phone brand new or used? Go to settings about phone, software information.
If you have Android 2.2 you can root your phone. Otherwise you are screwed until HTC unlocks the bootloader.
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Did you buy your phone brand new or used? Go to settings about phone, software information.
If you have Android 2.2 you can root your phone. Otherwise you are screwed until HTC unlocks the bootloader.
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He said brand new so that means it came with 2.3.3
OK I will wait patiently until perma root has been established. Thank you all for all of the information.
After going through the official, and unofficial means of unlocking the bootloader.... And going through the process of rooting..... And after learning that it undoes the OTA firmware upgrade and all it's little fixes...... And after reflashing RUU to get the upgrades back..... And after learning that I can't have my cake and eat it too, (rooted, and upgraded)..... I have to ask, do you think that a root method similar to that of what Visionary did for the MT4G or the RyanZa program did for the Vibrant, will come to the Sensation 4g? The only reason I ask is not because I'm an obvious noob, (Clearly I know what I'm doing) but because I'm just really - REALLY - lazy and I want a simple reasonably non invasive root method that won't reset my phone each time a hot fix or upgrade come across the wires.
Just thinking in my head, if the bootloader is unlocked, officially or unofficially, it should make it really easy for an ace developer to make a simple root method. Although, since I'm not a dev, perhaps it's harder than I think it is. In any event, my question still stands. Does anyone think it's going to happen?
P.S. In the end, after a few more months of not being rooted, or nothing new coming down the pipe, obviously I'll go the Revolutionary route again, as I'm almost certain there's no chance of another OTA coming out for this phone. (History has made me both bitter and pessimistic, I'm sorry)
The root method is already easy as is. Why worry about updates when we get them from our devs, sometimes even faster than the actual US OTA.
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The root method is already easy as is. Why worry about updates when we get them from our devs, sometimes even faster than the actual US OTA.
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Oh, I don't doubt that for a minute. Having been burned as much as I have in the past.... (READ: Samsung Behold II) I'm overly grateful for the devs for making it this easy. This is the first place I come for updates... There's just a small part of me that feels better about keeping it close to official, only because at the core I'm still a nooB.... Waiting for a non Samsung Nexus device....
well, the s-offing process doesn't "down grade" the OTA software, only the hboot in order to get s-off and fastboot commands working. you won't notice any part of that in daily rom use.
But, the rooting process is already pretty easy as it stands, but it won't be ANYWHERE near as easy as it was on galaxy s devices running eclair.
Huh?
1. From stock T-Mobile Sensation, turn it on, update to ota.
2. Unlock the bootloader through official or unofficial methods.
3. Flash CWM, flash root zip file.
You're done.
I have my cake and can eat it too.
If you're rooted already and can't get the ota, run the ruu to return to stock and go back to step 1
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I hope they don't make it too easy. It is already incredibly simple as it is and if anyone thinks it is still too hard, they shouldn't be rooting it then. A modicum of understanding is still required so that if something bad happens, they can at least have the ounce of intelligence required to fix it instead of whining haplessly.
It already is too easy. Look how many clueless people root and brick their phones these days...
I am moving my question to a new thread here in the hope it will get more attention:
OK, Firstly, when do I need CWM?
Secondly, I have downgraded my Desire Z from Gingerbread to Frodo and obtained root, S-OFF, etc, using gfree. I know I can upgrade back to gingerbread and want to do this but only if I can do it without losing root. I've seen lots of posts saying gingerbread can't be rooted and one or two saying it can, and others that deal with the upgrade but simply don't say if root will be lost. I assume that if I just install the OTA update offered by HTC, that will undo everything I just did in downgrading and getting root. If I understand correctly, having root is mostly a property of the bootloader and its configuration, so is it possible to re-install gingerbread but without overwriting the bootloader so as to keep root? Is RUU relevant to what I am asking? I hope its OK to post this here, as my only other option seemed to be to start a new thread. Thanks, THANKS!
CWM stands for clockwork mod.It is a custom recovery that replaces the standard recovery,and has much more options than the original.The recovery is like between the bootloader and the actual OS.It allows you to install custom ROMs,partition your SD card,and lots of other stuff that can't be done within the OSor the bootloader.I don't know about your phone in particular,but most HTC'S have Gingerbreak,which allows you to root on Gingerbread,even if it is s-on(although needs an unlocked bootloader though).
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SunnyChrono6 said:
CWM stands for clockwork mod.It is a custom recovery that replaces the standard recovery,and has much more options than the original.The recovery is like between the bootloader and the actual OS.It allows you to install custom ROMs,partition your SD card,and lots of other stuff that can't be done within the OSor the bootloader.I don't know about your phone in particular,but most HTC'S have Gingerbreak,which allows you to root on Gingerbread,even if it is s-on(although needs an unlocked bootloader though).
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Thanks, I will read up on Gingerbreak and see if it can help with the GB upgrade. My bootloader is unlocked and I have S-OFF, but I only heard about Gingerbreak from you. Is it a tool produced by an xda-developer?
I assume CWM is only for the OS and bootloader and I would still use my Titanium backup for Apps, or can CWM do both? On a completely stock/standard HTC phone can I use CWM first [before doing anything else] to back up the stock HTC ROM that the phone came with? [That would be great if I can!] Is it the best tool for specifically this? Thanks again.
CWM takes a Nandroid backup to your SD card,which is the OS,kernel,apps,data on internal memory,etc.It's better than Titanium backup in this regard,because even if you mess up your phone you can just revert to this backup.It's the best app I know of for this.Only drawback is that it can't operate within the OS,but even then you can use ROM manager which you'll install anyway to boot into it.I think Gingerbreak is developed by a XDA developer,that's where I saw it when I was rooting my Wildfire S.
Keeping root when updating Frodo to GBread
SunnyChrono6 said:
CWM takes a Nandroid backup to your SD card,which is the OS,kernel,apps,data on internal memory,etc.It's better than Titanium backup in this regard,because even if you mess up your phone you can just revert to this backup.It's the best app I know of for this.Only drawback is that it can't operate within the OS,but even then you can use ROM manager which you'll install anyway to boot into it.I think Gingerbreak is developed by a XDA developer,that's where I saw it when I was rooting my Wildfire S.
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Thanks again, last night I took 3 hours to search xda-developer and read what I could about Gingerbreak. Here are my conclusions which may or may not be right:
Everything I read was to do with using Gingerbreak to root a phone that already has GB running on it. As I understand it, it works for some phones running gingerbread, but not all phones. I did not read anywhere that any one has used gingerbreak to root GB on an HTC Desire Z.
I would love to hear from anyone who has tried out gingerbreak on a Desire Z. I think someone more knowledgeable than me, who knows how to get themselves out of trouble if gingerbreak doesn't work should try this. For me I think its not wise at my present level of knowledge.
There are many places in xda-developer [some even with a 2012 date] which say that a Desire Z running GB cant be rooted without downgrading to Frodo. Some of these appear to be knowledgeable developers that would have surely considered the gingerbreak oprion. So I submitt that this strongly suggests that gingerbreak doest work in this case. However it would be great to have this confirmed - perhaps from someone who has tried it.
So I return to my original question:
I know I can upgrade my Desire Z back to gingerbread and want to do this but only if I can do it without losing root. I've seen lots of posts saying gingerbread can't be rooted [on a Desire Z and some other phones] and one or two saying it can, and others that deal with the upgrade but simply don't say if root will be lost. I assume that if I just install the OTA update offered by HTC, that will undo everything I just did in downgrading and getting root. If I understand correctly, having root is mostly a property of the bootloader and its configuration, so is it possible to re-install gingerbread but without overwriting the bootloader so as to keep root? Thanks.
1)Most phones running Android 2.3.3 work(my Wildfire S worked running 2.3.5)
2)I think if it doesn't work it will just say 'Exploit failed' or something of the sort,it's highly unlikely that it would mess the phone up,and even if it did,you could just restore the nandroid backup.
3)You haven't read about Gingerbreak on the Desire Z probably because most people don't stay with the stock ROM after they root it.
And even if Gingerbreak fails,you have a s-off bootloader.So there should be loads of other ways to root it,although they may be complicated.I'd say just try your luck,take a nandroid backup if you're scared,and try Gingerbreak.There's an 80+% chance that it will work,as the desire z runs 2.3.3 AFAIK.
A better idea would be to root, s-off, unlock bootloader at whatever (so in your situation froyo), then flash CWM, and finally flash a ROM. There's a 99% chance somebody made a working ICS ROM for the desire z which was a very popular phone
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gagdude said:
A better idea would be to root, s-off, unlock bootloader at whatever (so in your situation froyo), then flash CWM, and finally flash a ROM. There's a 99% chance somebody made a working ICS ROM for the desire z which was a very popular phone
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Good point,but I think he wants to upgrade to the stock GB.....otherwise why does he need to root it again,as there are MANY gingerbread custom ROMs,let alone ICS.If he wanted to do that,it would be easy for him as he already has s-off and root now all he would need is CWM and a good ROM.
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Thanks for all your replies. OK here is where I;m at: I have 2 phones, the Desire Z and the MT4G slide. They were both running stock GB unrooted when I got them. I have downgraded the Desire Z to Frodo to get root and S-OFF having read that was the only way to root it. But I would like something later than Frodo [or GB] as long as I can keep root and it is more functional. I have been searching xda for nearly 4 weeks to see if there are any ROMs with full functionality for these phones. A ROM based on ICS or JB would be great, but in every case that I look into I run into problems. Some have issues with camera or video not working, some with leds or the keyboard back light. One says the audio doesn't work. Other ROMs sound really good but they don't explicitly state they work for either of my phones. As all these things work with GB I don't want to go to ICS/JB if it means I'm loosing functionality. It is only for this reason that I asked about returning to GB for the Desire Z whilst keeping root. Root is essential to me as I have a lot of plans that involve running SSH, Telnet, VNC, etc. There seem to be some great ROMs out there for the MT4G but I am told that my MT4GS is completely different and they wont work on it.
Part of my problem is I don't always understand what I'm reading because of terminology. There are references for example to the Glacier or the Sensation, but I haven't yet worked out whether a MT4GS is the same as Glacier or if Glacier refers only to MT4G, in which case does MT4GS have another nickname? I searched the WIKI for HTC phones, but the MT4GS isn't even listed there.
I'm new to Mob phones and Android, but have been programming and a Linux user for a very long time, which has taught me to be cautious and research well before jumping in. Hence my posts for advice / help here. There's nothing better than finding someone who has done it before who can tell you how successful it was. Appreciate any light you can bring even to just one of these matters. Thanks.
HTC mytouch 4g is glacier. HTC mytouch 4g slide is the doubleshot.
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canopic said:
Thanks for all your replies. OK here is where I;m at: I have 2 phones, the Desire Z and the MT4G slide. They were both running stock GB unrooted when I got them. I have downgraded the Desire Z to Frodo to get root and S-OFF having read that was the only way to root it. But I would like something later than Frodo [or GB] as long as I can keep root and it is more functional. I have been searching xda for nearly 4 weeks to see if there are any ROMs with full functionality for these phones. A ROM based on ICS or JB would be great, but in every case that I look into I run into problems. Some have issues with camera or video not working, some with leds or the keyboard back light. One says the audio doesn't work. Other ROMs sound really good but they don't explicitly state they work for either of my phones. As all these things work with GB I don't want to go to ICS/JB if it means I'm loosing functionality. It is only for this reason that I asked about returning to GB for the Desire Z whilst keeping root. Root is essential to me as I have a lot of plans that involve running SSH, Telnet, VNC, etc. There seem to be some great ROMs out there for the MT4G but I am told that my MT4GS is completely different and they wont work on it.
Part of my problem is I don't always understand what I'm reading because of terminology. There are references for example to the Glacier or the Sensation, but I haven't yet worked out whether a MT4GS is the same as Glacier or if Glacier refers only to MT4G, in which case does MT4GS have another nickname? I searched the WIKI for HTC phones, but the MT4GS isn't even listed there.
I'm new to Mob phones and Android, but have been programming and a Linux user for a very long time, which has taught me to be cautious and research well before jumping in. Hence my posts for advice / help here. There's nothing better than finding someone who has done it before who can tell you how successful it was. Appreciate any light you can bring even to just one of these matters. Thanks.
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You're right,ICS and JB ROMs aren't too stable,although the cyanogen mod alpha 6 for the doubleshot seems kind of stable,look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644084
(Take a nandroid backup of gingerbread though,in case you come to a time where you can't take any risks with your phone)
EDIT : CM9 is listed as stable here in the cm download centre http://download.cyanogenmod.com/?device=&type=stable
And for the desire Z, there seem to be stable cm7 ROMs.Just take a nandroid backup of froyo,you can't go wrong with that.
(P.S.You probably saw these already,but just in case you didn't.)