So ever since I first bought the G2x, I've always had juice defender a part of it. Now having done a factory reset, since May (when I got the phone) and not installing juice defender, it seems that I get the same if not better battery life without juice defender installed. Could juice defender just be adding to the battery drainage also?
Yea, I am in the same camp. Juice Defender really has done nothing way too much tweaking it. I have to say its like all of the purge from memory apps...you mileage might vary, but for me they aren't really helpful.
It seems to me that juice defender might be good for over-night, or for situations when I'm not going to be checking my phone for hours. Otherwise, the radio keeps getting turned on and off...on and off...everytime I wake the screen to text or something...that's in addition, of course, to the regularly scheduled times that it does it on its own.
But then again, instead of having it running all the time, I could probably get the same effect if I just went to airplane mode overnight.
Interesting point, OP...and gave me something to think about.
I'm gonna test that today, yesterday I got 15 hours with it on and set CPU profiles today ill turn off juice defender ultimate, ill keep u guys updated.
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So ever since I first bought the G2x, I've always had juice defender a part of it. Now having done a factory reset, since May (when I got the phone) and not installing juice defender, it seems that I get the same if not better battery life without juice defender installed. Could juice defender just be adding to the battery drainage also?
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Yeah, I tested this week. Ifound no noticeable impact of juice except maybe overnight. During the day, and no impact, and perhaps even a negative impact.
I just manually toggle data off at night anyway.
There is really no reason to ever use juice defender when Tasker exists. It can do everything JD does and SO much more.
After testing pretty much every setting I could think of, the only things that made a significant difference is disabling data and GPS. I set up a screen off = data off, screen on = data on set and battery life WAS improved. However, I use Google Voice for all my texting, so I had to have some data, so I tried the same thing but reducing to just 2g and no improvement was noticed.
Keeping GPS off permanently but allowing it to run specifically on applications that need it helps too. Note that this is not possible on gingerbread except for CM7 and ROMs built off of CM's source. I imagine toggling bluetooth and/or WiFi would influence things too, but I never use either. No other setting resulted in a significant improvement in battery life.
Note that during all of these tests, I kept screen brightness to 18%, toggling to 25% when in direct sunlight and 0% in the dark. As for airplane mode at night; I plug the phone in at night and unplug when I wake up so this is a nonissue for me but AM is the best you will ever see your battery life without using things that require root.
And, of course, underclocking to minimum when screen is off improves more than everything else combined. Kernels and clock speeds matter far more than things like GPS or data connection.
Well I'm through testing today I got 11hrs and 18 min without juice defender compared to 15hr with it yesterday, and I used my phone less today, so juice defender gave me about 4 more hours, tomorrow I'm gonna use juice defender and 2g.
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I don't use any battery management apps, I do use android assistant to close apps every once in a while
Yesterday with juicedefender set CPU profiles and 2g I got 20hrs battery life.
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Oddly enough, the free version seemed to work better that the paid version. A lot of the time wifi and 4G will stay on even when not using the phone, and I have to manually turn off/on wifi depending on the situation. As stated, it does help when not using your phone for a while, but I'm no pro at it or anything, could be the settings.
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Does it actually work? Or does it work like as task manager killer, known to drain battery even more??
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Its works good. There's a feature that turns off the radio when tthe screen is off. Works great
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some will swear by juice defender, but from my personal usage of it i just got less battery from it.
I do use automateit though to turn off my data when the screen is off, and to turn data on when the screen is on. what i like about automateit is that it used less resources (at least according to watchdog lite) than juice defender. Also, it has the options to set a timelimit for the rules (an example would be to turn data off after 5 minutes of the screen being off).
Using automateit my battery went from 13 of light use to 17 hours of medium use (i read alot through pulse newsreader) and 48 hours when its light use (checking the time here and there at work). When doing both i tend to average at around 23 hours.
Best thing to do though is just to test juice defender and automateit on your device because your usage differs from everyone elses. (though use watchdog lite! cpu cycle watching is you best friend for getting better battery imo!)
thanks for the responses~
JD works. I prefer Green Power, though.
i use juice defender ultimate and i love it. it turns on/off radios on a schedule if you want, and even uses wifi when you're in certain areas (via cell tower association). i get decent life without it on gingerbeast (15-20 hours usu) but with it, ive gotten over 30 with regular use.
like was mentioned above, try them all out. automateit sounds good and is probably a lot lighter than juice defender but JD has a LOT of capabilities so don't just pass over it because it's a big app...look through all the advanced features and give it a fair shot. it tells you how much it's affected your battery life by and i'm almost always at double battery life thanks to the app
I used Juice Defender on my Vibrant and it seemed to help quite a bit. However, on the Sensation, because it is running gingerbread, I have read mixed reviews. Some say it helps, some say it doesn't. I'd like to know your experience with this or other batter saving apps!
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I used Juice Defender on my Vibrant and it seemed to help quite a bit. However, on the Sensation, because it is running gingerbread, I have read mixed reviews. Some say it helps, some say it doesn't. I'd like to know your experience with this or other batter saving apps!
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If nothing, it starts/stops mobile data when you turn the screen on/off. That on its own is a huge battery saver. It also turns wifi off when it's out of range, and mobile data off when you have wifi.
These things obviously increase battery life, no question about it. Of course, if you never have mobile data on, and don't want to have it on, there is no point to having juice defender
I find that it perpetually signs me out of Gtalk
Hmm. I was debating whether to get the elite version on the market as it seems to have a lot of extra features. I didn't know there were mixed reviews with gingerbread. Thanks.
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I get an issue with juice defender where after I've turned the screen back on there is still not mobile internet connection.
I have to manually put the phone into flight mode and back to get a connection, and sometimes even need to reboot.
I got pretty much the same advantage as JD without the hassle by just enabling 'Power Efficiency' in the 'Power' menu in the settings. It turns off background data like JD and allowed me to go a full day with fairly high usage and still have 30% at 8pm.
N.B. - Having background data off means your widgets and mail won't sync as often so I put a 'Sync all' widget on one of my homescreens so that when I wanted an update then I could pull everything down at once.
Hope this helps
I've been using juice defender but I think I will try your suggestion for a couple days and see if it makes a difference. Thanks!
If you check the "always allow mobile internet" button in your wireless settings will give you a good compromise between stock and how juice defender constantly kills the data connection. That setting for me is good for an extra 20-25% a day. Only thing I notice differently is emails may take a minute or two to arrive and Gtalk is signed out when I don't have the phone active.
Juice defender will just manage your apps, settings to save battery.. just to regulate your battery..
I am using Juice defender and it's saying 1.61x now, the battery last about 3 days(I am not a heavy user) but before that it didn't so I found it to be quite helpful
yeh me too... from 8 hours to 10 hours with juice defender..
I really need a better battery life for my business phone. My last 3 androids have all had a 20% battery by 3pm....
All of the battery apps claim to turn off network when screen goes blank and so on... however I still have bars of service imidiately after turning screen on. Will I still receive phone calls?
Root your phone, under clock when screen off and manually turn off your interwebz...
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FB is one of the bad culprits. I generally use Autokiller on strict to tweak the Android process things and it works good.
Did you try Juice defender? It's the only one I've tried and works fine so far. My battery last 30% longer after using it, and it wasn't tweaked.
If you don't want the hassle of underclocking, then just go for apps like Green Power and Juice Defender. Set it to turn on every 15 minutes during the day and totally off during the night when you sleep; you'll be surprised how much time you can squeeze out of your battery.
You must use battery saver pro or juice defender and task killer
Okay, task killing apps randomly won't always improve your battery life, for an example, if you kill let's say a play on tv app which is a system app, you might end up wasting more battery as it re-starts.
Juice Defender
I can personally vouche for Juice Defender Ultimate. I love this app, it's always the first I install when I get a new phone. It's saved me at least 3 hours of battery per day. I have the extended battery upgrade on my HTC Rezound, and I used to be at around 30-40% after a day at school (somewhat heavy 4G use, like listening to Grooveshark, browsing the web frequently, etc). Now, with the same, if not more usage, I'm at close to 60% by the end of the day, and it lasts me usually until around 9 at night.
So, Juice Defender=awesomeness. And you're going to want the Ultimate version for extra settings, definitely worth it.
I personally found that Easy Battery Saver which is free on the market gives me the best battery life even better than JuiceDefender which I found hard to believe till I saw the results. My Motorola Atrix has really bad battery life usually only lasts me about 5 hours without the app but with the app it lasts up to 8 or so which is a pretty swell improvement if I say so myself.
I would also say that Juice Defender is a good app... saves quite alot of battery.
but all of the apps using data in the background (facebook etc.) are the battery life drainers
Use juice defender
I use Juice Defender myself. works fine. you can edit what you want on or off. Also memory killer works but you need root
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I really need a better battery life for my business phone. My last 3 androids have all had a 20% battery by 3pm....
All of the battery apps claim to turn off network when screen goes blank and so on... however I still have bars of service imidiately after turning screen on. Will I still receive phone calls?
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All of the battery apps claim to turn off network when screen goes blank and so on... however I still have bars of service imidiately after turning screen on. Will I still receive phone calls?
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I can second the votes for JuiceDefender - it's done wonders for me.
For the rest of your questions...
Even when an app is toggling your data connection for you it won't affect your cellular connection. You'll still see bars of service (though without a data indicator next to it like "3G" or "H").
You will also still receive phone calls and text messages as (again) your network service remains untouched. Emails or other data services will be delayed until the app enables data.
Try out Bataria. I really notice a difference using it.
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My Motorola Atrix has really bad battery life usually only lasts me about 5 hours without the app but with the app it lasts up to 8 or so which is a pretty swell improvement if I say so myself.
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That's weird, I got about 1 day of battery life with my Atrix, sometimes 2 when I disable data from time to time.
Which rom do you use ?
Anyway I also use JuiceDefender.
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Use juice defender
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thx dude..
Tasker + greenpower
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it depends what version of android it has with 2.2 or higher i read that they manage memory pretty well so the task killers might actually take more battery rather than save it. If your Phone 4G you will save alot of battery by turning it to 3g and only turning on 4g when you need the speed
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it depends what version of android it has with 2.2 or higher i read that they manage memory pretty well so the task killers might actually take more battery rather than save it. If your Phone 4G you will save alot of battery by turning it to 3g and only turning on 4g when you need the speed
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Task killers are never necessary on Android. Apps to manage and toggle data and radios are far more useful - and can be quite beneficial to your battery life.
Can someone please help me with my horrible battery life on my infuse? I cant make it a whole day on my phone. I don't play games on it at all during the day because I work. The only thing I do is make calls and text. I had 100% battery this morning at 6:00am and it is now 1:30pm and I am down to 12%. I am running the latest version of catyrom on my phone and it was supposed to increase the battery life. My phone is less than a year old (probably only 6 months old if that) so the battery on it should not be shot. Any help would be awesome!
THANKS!
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Can someone please help me with my horrible battery life on my infuse? I cant make it a whole day on my phone. I don't play games on it at all during the day because I work. The only thing I do is make calls and text. I had 100% battery this morning at 6:00am and it is now 1:30pm and I am down to 12%. I am running the latest version of catyrom on my phone and it was supposed to increase the battery life. My phone is less than a year old (probably only 6 months old if that) so the battery on it should not be shot. Any help would be awesome!
THANKS!
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Should not be like that. All the uckl2 base ROM have very good battery life.
Try a reflash. I would go into cwm, wipe data, wrote cache, wipe dalvik, fix permission, go to mount, wipe system, data and cache. Re flash ...i would try Another uckl2 base ROM then go back to caty if battery seems better
Buy Juicedefender Ultimate, set it up whichever way works for you. I couldn't tell you about Catyrom and the JD AOSP helper compatibility.
Buy and set up SetCPU to downclock your CPU when your screen is off, and when your phone's charge goes under a certain amount. Change your governor to conservative, ondemand, or smartass. Those will help. You could try undervolting, but be wary of doing it too much.
Look at your battery useage history and work out your app issues from there.
A faster microSD card wouldn't hurt, class 4, 6, or 10 would be better than a class 2, if you're even using a microSD card. Faster read/write means less time reading/writing.
If you need even more power, you could always go to 2G networks if Catyrom allows you to use them. From my experience, it will interfere with speakers on other devices. I have ~8 pairs of speakers in my office, and the interference drives all my co-workers nuts.
And you could always carry a spare battery, which isn't the best of options, but it's a sure fire way to go on
Reduce the number of widgets you use, reduce the number of screens you have, remove redundancy in your apps, and turn off live wallpapers.
Turn off auto brightness, and set it down to lowest valuable that is useable, then bump it up just a bit more. Then set your timeout to something conservative such as 15 or 30seconds or 1 minute.
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Buy Juicedefender Ultimate, set it up whichever way works for you. I couldn't tell you about Catyrom and the JD AOSP helper compatibility.
Buy and set up SetCPU to downclock your CPU when your screen is off, and when your phone's charge goes under a certain amount. Change your governor to conservative, ondemand, or smartass. Those will help. You could try undervolting, but be wary of doing it too much.
Look at your battery useage history and work out your app issues from there.
A faster microSD card wouldn't hurt, class 4, 6, or 10 would be better than a class 2, if you're even using a microSD card. Faster read/write means less time reading/writing.
If you need even more power, you could always go to 2G networks if Catyrom allows you to use them. From my experience, it will interfere with speakers on other devices. I have ~8 pairs of speakers in my office, and the interference drives all my co-workers nuts.
And you could always carry a spare battery, which isn't the best of options, but it's a sure fire way to go on
Reduce the number of widgets you use, reduce the number of screens you have, remove redundancy in your apps, and turn off live wallpapers.
Turn off auto brightness, and set it down to lowest valuable that is useable, then bump it up just a bit more. Then set your timeout to something conservative such as 15 or 30seconds or 1 minute.
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Thanks! I downloaded juicedefender and setcpu both. I had seen juicedefender in the market but was a little questionable about what it does. but I will see what and how good it does tomorrow. I have my phone charging right now so I will upload a pic of my battery life tomorrow around 3 so we can see how my phone is doing. When I looked at the battery usage when I plugged in my phone it was on for 7h 34m 24s on battery and when I plugged it in I had 6% battery. I really hope that this works. like I said all I do is text and call during the day.
Thanks again!
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Thanks! I downloaded juicedefender and setcpu both. I had seen juicedefender in the market but was a little questionable about what it does. but I will see what and how good it does tomorrow. I have my phone charging right now so I will upload a pic of my battery life tomorrow around 3 so we can see how my phone is doing. When I looked at the battery usage when I plugged in my phone it was on for 7h 34m 24s on battery and when I plugged it in I had 6% battery. I really hope that this works. like I said all I do is text and call during the day.
Thanks again!
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JuiceDefender, to put it shortly, will kill your data connection/wifi/gps automatically and will enable them again on a schedule.
Those won't interfere with your texting or calling, but it will interfere slightly with your MMS. You'll have to wait for data to be re-enabled to download pictures/videos.
You can set up a schedule for work to be on a more frequent basis than the one when you're not at work, and once you set the battery threshold and the "ignore on low battery" function, it will stop all schedules once the battery reaches that point.
It will re-enable data/wifi when you turn your screen on so you can use it.
That's about most of what it does and it does work very well.
If you'd like, you can get cheap spare batteries from ebay. They mostly ship from China so they take up to a month to get to you, but they're very inexpensive. I just got my 2200 mAh battery (it fits just like the stock one) and it's not even broken in yet. It's 2 PM where I am and I unplugged my phone at ~8. I'm still above 65%. I don't tend to have very restricted battery use like some folks, but I do look for ways to reduce the battery waste. Most of my stuff works when the phone is in idle/deep sleep. I haven't done much of anything today with the exception of a very few calls and a few texts, a little surfing, and I downloaded a CM7 update from the CM7 port's thread.
When it's been broken in it should do better. CM7 isn't as battery friendly as some other ROMs but I like it very much so far. I have been furiously debating whether or not to move to Zeus ROM, as it seems like the big boy's Infuse ROM right now but I can't tuck away CM7 just yet
EDIT: Another, probably very minor, battery saver would be to download and install Adfree. It reroutes all outbound requests for advertisements to the device itself, so those don't download data and you don't see ads. Instead of them possibly keeping your scheduled data connection on for longer while they download (or pumping up your data useage), they never go outbound because they don't require internet access once checked against the HOSTS file.
Also don't forget to do what qkster advised. Bad flashes do happen, and you could have just had a bad flash.
Bassman--What does about phone say is eating the battery?
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I have never gotten what I thought was decent battery life out of this phone... I work as a field tech so this phone is my office... Serendipity gave me the best battery life of any rom I've tried and I've tried several.
When I first got it I used Infused rom I would average 3 to 4 batteries a day. When I went GB roms that dropped drastically to 1-2... Serendipity would get me through the work day (8-10hrs) and home w/ a little to spare. Lately I have been bouncing back and forth between caty and zeus averaging 2+ batteries a day.
Might add I received my phone as a hand me down from someone at work. He only used it for a few weeks but kept it stock.
On any rooted ROM, i usually use tibu and delete buddy now, facebook, att, tether manager, devive update manager, etc..every possible background crap.
Every user is different, but with just calls and text, is not unusual for me to have 2-3 days before a charge.
Data sync and wifi off when not using data
Rxnelson the about phone says display. But that is the case on almost all phones. I have my auto off set to 1min
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You can also try following basic methods:-
1. Turn Off: GPS, WiFi, Screen Rotation, Bluetooth, APN, Vibration, Animation etc.
2. Minimum Screen Brightness Settings
3. Minimum Screen Timeout setting.
4. Dont install Widgets based apps on home-screen
5. Kill the un-necessary background apps from Task Manager.
6. Use black theme in apps.
Thanks
Nits
Something I've found helps a lot is rebooting every morning. I'm running Zeus and noticed that the first day after a reboot I get great battery life (light- to medium-use would leave the battery at 50% after 12 hours). By the second or third day, I'd barely make it through the day. Since I've started rebooting every morning my battery life has been great. I also used BetterBatteryStats to help figure out which apps were keeping my phone awake. I learned that the Stocks app runs in the background waking the phone regardless of settings. Juice Defender is really a waste of time - you'll get better battery life by figuring out what's killing your battery and getting rid of it than having Juice Defender disable all of your phone's features when the screen is off(while using battery itself).
Man your battery life shouldn't be that bad. If it isn't a bad ROM flash then you could have a bad battery. Sometimes batteries die after a few months.
I did a lot of testing for apps and whatnot to try and see if I could maximize battery life. I tried all the juice defender and similar apps and didn't really like how they were killing off my services when the screen was off.
I found out that the main killers of my battery life were specific apps. When I used email apps with IMAP push services I noticed that they would kill my battery because they kept preventing my device from sleeping. I sometimes need about 18 hours in a day before I can charge so I really wanted to maxmize the battery as much as I could. I monitor new apps when I install them. Some seem sneaky so the battery stats might say that the app is only using something like 4% but it is also making the Android OS keep alive and use a higher percentage. I have about 70 apps installed but deleted most of the apps that seemed to kill my battery. In an 18 hour day now it is common for me to have at least 50% or more battery left over. It did take me a while to get this kind of battery life though. I was getting pretty frustrated for a while.
I'm running stock GB 2.3.3 (Rogers) and I am on the Bell network in the Great White North.
Which one do you guys prefer
I unplugged my phone 5 minutes ago its already on 97%, any suggestions
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Neither, bit tend to interfere with advanced configs and from my experience power users tend to advoid them. However, juice defender seems to be the lesser of the two evils. Personally I undervolt and underclock and get far better results
If you don't want to get into kernel changes (undervolting/underclocking), give JD a try. I've been using it for months and found, at least for me, a significant battery power savings using it. Spend the extra couple of bucks and get the JD Ultimate key.. it unlocks a bunch of features. With the same type of use I noticed about a 6 hr gain/day (was getting ~ 14hrs on a charge.. now anywhere from 20-24 hrs). There are many setting combinations, so you'll have to experiment what works best for you. I have it set to turn off the data connection when I'm on WiFi... and when my screen is off, have it set to turn off all radios (and while screen is off, you can set it to ping certain apps like gmail, facebook, etc just for a minute, then turn back off. It automatically will turn data on when you leave your Wifi area. You can also train it to turn on/off certain radios depending on your travels, time of day, use of certain apps, when battery gets to certain levels, etc. It has some cool widgets which show which radios are on/off and can be quickly toggled as well. Anyway, it takes a while to figure out what works best for your situation, but it is very flexible and has tons of features.
Contradictory to what I've been reading online about battery saving apps; I had GREAT results with easy battery saver. I know the app looks cheesy and the fact that i never heard about it before downloading from market.
Due to poor network signal at work, id barely have any charge left on my phone once i get out of work (8 hrs). this kind of apps really help.
JD seems to cause more conflicts/problems that it helped me, even if i turn off untested/expirmental. JD looks more sophisticated/advanced, it didn't work well with me.
The features which mainly effects battery life imo are:
1)Traffic scheduler
2)connectivty killer when screen is off.
These are must features for me, to get whatsapp msgs and email sync. and it seems that easy batter defender scheduler is more robust.
I usually choose to allow sync every 15 min with 30 sec window and connectivity killer to around 20kb/30s. I had bad results when letting the app manage my wifi connectivity based on location (remember wifi networks), better turn it off.
Other settings, screen timeout/brightness/UC/UV/cpu cores/deep_sleep/kernel/modem, must be explored to get max battery life.
Remember these apps will not help very much, if you are using your phone(i.e. screen is on). they work best when phone screen is turned off.
I'm currently using Battery XL from market to test it out.
Another app worth looking at is Green Power. It also can shut off data and turn it on in intervals for emails, IMs, etc.
They both are good options. I have used Juice Defender for several months and it is very good. I have installed Easy Battery Saver last week and it is also good. I only did the change from one app to another for trying
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They both are good options. I have used Juice Defender for several months and it is very good. I have installed Easy Battery Saver last week and it is also good. I only did the change from one app to another for trying
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Dead thread is zombie. Also all battery saver apps are garbage.
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randa-76 said:
They both are good options. I have used Juice Defender for several months and it is very good. I have installed Easy Battery Saver last week and it is also good. I only did the change from one app to another for trying
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I'm too tired to respond. But you do know this thread is over a year old, right?
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Seems like necroman was just looking for his ten posts. lol Like yours truely. I just have better style then to pull threads from the grave. Unless someone has already done it of course.
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Useless post reported if you want your ten make them count please.
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