Nexus S 4G vs. GSM Nexus S - Nexus S Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Okay, so I have a NS4G which is my personal phone. Rooted, running CM7 RC1. Love it, but I digress. Today I bought a rooted GSM Nexus S, also running CM7 RC1. With both devices wiped, I decided to run a benchmark on both. Quadrant gave my NS4G an average score of about 1900, and the GSM Nexus S was consistenly hitting 2600-2700. What's the difference? Is there something else that'll effect the benchmark so significantly and I'm not seeing it? Any info will help. Thanks in advance.
-Harris

Sounds like maybe the GSM nexus may be on an overclocked kernel. Only thing I can think of.
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Skimp Killah said:
Sounds like maybe the GSM nexus may be on an overclocked kernel. Only thing I can think of.
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For 2700 its not overclocked! only a optimized kernel! like trinity on 1ghz!

Different kernel optimizations or governor. Quadrant score doesn't mean jack.

The kernels are the same, as far as I can see. Upon further testing, I was able to hit 3000+ with the GSM version and get over 2100 with mine consistently.
If the quadrant score doesn't mean jack, whats the most accurate method of guaging my phone's performance?

HarrisY said:
The kernels are the same, as far as I can see. Upon further testing, I was able to hit 3000+ with the GSM version and get over 2100 with mine consistently.
If the quadrant score doesn't mean jack, whats the most accurate method of guaging my phone's performance?
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Governor? Is that the same. And the only way to check is to just use the phone and look at daily performance wise. The a better benchmark tool is cf bench
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Excuse my lack of knowledge, but how exactly do I check the governor?

HarrisY said:
Excuse my lack of knowledge, but how exactly do I check the governor?
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setcpu!

HarrisY said:
Okay, so I have a NS4G which is my personal phone. Rooted, running CM7 RC1. Love it, but I digress. Today I bought a rooted GSM Nexus S, also running CM7 RC1. With both devices wiped, I decided to run a benchmark on both. Quadrant gave my NS4G an average score of about 1900, and the GSM Nexus S was consistenly hitting 2600-2700. What's the difference? Is there something else that'll effect the benchmark so significantly and I'm not seeing it? Any info will help. Thanks in advance.
-Harris
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what is GSM. sorry if that sounds dumb

One of two types of radio for voice/SMS/2G. The other is CDMA. Sprint and Verizon are CDMA. ATT and T mobile are GSM.
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Overclocked to 1.3Ghz Quadrant benchmark results

Just thought i'd show a pic
What did u use to o/c tegrak? And its to blurry, can't make out the score
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Success100 said:
What did u use to o/c tegrak? And its to blurry, can't make out the score
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yea tegrak... i'll try to get a clear one didnt know it came out that blurry plus i didnt keep track of score cuz i've been getting that all day
I know this is a stupid question but other than improve quadrant scores, what else does it really improve? Im running the overclock at 1.2ghz right now and I dont notice any difference
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I was testing it out and it didn't really make much of a difference on my for Quadrant Standard. I used SetCPU and put both min and max to 1.3 and set scaling to performance and not a big change. I dunno if I'm doing something wrong.
well i'm also deodexed kd1, bali kernel so i dunno n also runnin the touchwiz 4.0(beautiful interface, just a btw)... well my overall performance improved n battery life surprisingly good... its been 7 hrs now and i still got juice...
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What did u use to o/c tegrak? And its to blurry, can't make out the score
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most recent score 1211
What exactly do I have to do to OC it? I tried it when I had my Captivate but I thought that I needed a different kernel? SetCPU wouldn't let me go over 1ghz... But I do have the bali kernel flashed right now.
EDIT: Nevermind, I saw the other post right after I made this. Sorry to interrupt!
I started a thread about this a while back and I wanted to share the info that was shared to me. Just FYI
joedeveloper said:
Quadrant Advanced provides the breakdown for each individual area (multi-colored).
http://slideme.org/application/quadrant-advanced
The thing about quadrant however, is it's not optimized or suited for the processor in our phones (Hummingbird). It was designed for snapdragon processors.
Additionally, Quadrant is sub par in my opinion on benchmark test apps (even though it's well known) because it does operations that aren't typical. If you get advanced you'll see that it does like 60% all IO operations, however thats a really strange test because it would be like you running a full on database on your phone.
So the scenarios and tests it runs are not representative of the scenarios you are going to use your phone to perform.
I like SmartBench better because it gives you an index for Gaming and Productivity.
Samsung Galaxy S 4G's will slightly outperform the snapdragon/adreno combo that you see in the MT4G etc. Very slight advantage. In regard to productivity it does well too.
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U won't notice anything earth shattering from an extra 200 MHz. However for games and flash and videos it does help. Also improves app loading times and things like that so even though it doesn't seem to do much it does help alot when the phone is pushed to the 1ghz area
icy56 said:
I know this is a stupid question but other than improve quadrant scores, what else does it really improve? Im running the overclock at 1.2ghz right now and I dont notice any difference
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I started a thread about this a while back and I wanted to share the info that was shared to me. Just FYI
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i did use smartbench too.... n in terms of gaming it was rite up there with optimus but likely lower in productivity
Scored 1263 Running deodexed KD1, with Bali kernel and spb shell (which is kind of a resource hog)
I know it doesn't truly give a benchmark for our processor, but just like getting your car dyno'd before you build it... it's good for a baseline number. And I was just under 900 stock.
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shotchacokov said:
Scored 1263 Running deodexed KD1, with Bali kernel and spb shell (which is kind of a resource hog)
I know it doesn't truly give a benchmark for our processor, but just like getting your car dyno'd before you build it... it's good for a baseline number. And I was just under 900 stock.
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Where'd you get that battery?
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At 1.3ghz
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@1.3ghz ... this i wud say is an average cuz i've gotten better
badb4lyfe said:
well i'm also deodexed kd1, bali kernel so i dunno n also runnin the touchwiz 4.0(beautiful interface, just a btw)... well my overall performance improved n battery life surprisingly good... its been 7 hrs now and i still got juice...
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Woah, where did you get touchwiz 4 for our phone ? Ive been looking for it all day on google and I can only find the original galaxy s and the epic 4g's
skillz398 said:
Woah, where did you get touchwiz 4 for our phone ? Ive been looking for it all day on google and I can only find the original galaxy s and the epic 4g's
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074410
a thanks would be much appreciated
rickyy00 said:
Where'd you get that battery?
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Look for the status bar mod....under themes
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Is 1.0ghz what your phones comes with?
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rickyy00 said:
Is 1.0ghz what your phones comes with?
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yes that wud be correct

[Tweak]U.S.A.S

These are some tweaks created by dsexton702 that offer you a generous performance boost in I/O and giving you the newest fugu mod 3.1. This is a fast growing tweak and needs to be shared with everyone who can benefit from it
This has been tested on inspire
download the U.S.A.Sv6
OP: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1236779
dling now...will report back with results
ETA: phone may be a little smoother? quad scores and linpack scores both stayed in the same range
is this to work with aosp and sense roms?
It seems to work with Static Nonsense...I can tell a difference but I wouldn't say its dramatic.
I lost root with this, then fixed it, but didn't notice any real improvement after that. Scores stayed the same.
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Nickovtyme said:
It seems to work with Static Nonsense...I can tell a difference but I wouldn't say its dramatic.
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would it be worth me cooking in?
beerbaronstatic said:
would it be worth me cooking in?
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Couldn't hurt. I have to admit my web pages are loading faster, transitions are smoother...apps seem to be loading quicker and overall I can tell a difference...but again I have to say its not a "I'm just blown away by this" difference.
Just wanted to add that after flashing this, the first boot took forever...so long in fact I thought I was gonna have to pull the battery and recover a recent backup.
It did improve overall. even lower bat. drain. Thank you dsexton702 for the share.
I do what I can for you guys
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Couldn't hurt. I have to admit my web pages are loading faster, transitions are smoother...apps seem to be loading quicker and overall I can tell a difference...but again I have to say its not a "I'm just blown away by this" difference.
Just wanted to add that after flashing this, the first boot took forever...so long in fact I thought I was gonna have to pull the battery and recover a recent backup.
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What ROM are you using?
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First boot took a little while for me as well using CM7 nightly, but I do definitely like the increase in how smooth everything feels.
Anyone using this with a Sense ROM?
I'm using with VU 2.35 sense 3.0 and it does wonders my score before at 1 ghz. Was 1800
Right after installing u.s.a.s still at 1 ghz jumped up to 2200 quadrent score.
After oc to 1.3 ghz my quadrent score was 2600
Runs very nice hard to tell difference as VU 2.35 runs so smooth but its an improvement
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Went from 1991 to 2056. VU 2.35 runs very nice, but was having a small hesitation when turning on screen and this seems to have fixed that issue. Very nice work
So if I cook this in, my autofill does NOT work in messaging, but if I flash it after a rom install its fine
This is an awesome tweak my processor has never been stable over 1.3 now Im running 1.7 ghz and its crazy fast got my quadrent score up to 3000 running this fast
Never had such a smooth experience doesn't matter how many apps are open.
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ac3kill said:
This is an awesome tweak my processor has never been stable over 1.3 now Im running 1.7 ghz and its crazy fast got my quadrent score up to 3000 running this fast
Never had such a smooth experience doesn't matter how many apps are open.
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What ROM r u using?
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Vu 2.37
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I'm getting pretty great battery life with this mod. It's playing nice with VU 2.37, things seem pretty smoothed out. Thanks for the mod!
Why does auto fill not work when trying to type a persons name to send text ?
Works before I install this.
Not a big deal but does suck having to go into phonebook and scroll threw alp my contacts to send a message
Just wonder if I can get the ease of typing the persons name back and keep this tweak
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[Q] NS4G Heat Problem

My Nexus S 4G seems to heat up very quickly. While I was expecting this behavior during excessive 3g/4g use, I was NOT expecting it while reading PDFs on my phone. I am using the built-in ThinkOffice to read the PDFs, but the phone always heats up after 10-15 minutes of use. Has this happened to anyone else before? If so, what is the solution?
Currently, my phone is rooted, with 2.3.7 stock ROM w/ Apoc-Talon v 2.1 kernel, overclocked to 1440 Mhz w/ Smartass v2. The heat problem has also happened while my phone was running a stock 2.3.4 ROM on the Netarchy kernel.
Its your kernel. I'm running cm7 at 1440 too and my phone never gets past 110 degrees Fahrenheit. Even while tethering which surprised me. When I tethered on my epic it would get hot enough to fry eggs. Even when downclocking to reduce heat. Just a hunch
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You are overclocking your phone.... You do understand that with increased voltages comes heat?
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Even from just reading PDFs?
Rem3Dy said:
You are overclocking your phone.... You do understand that with increased voltages comes heat?
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Even if your overclocked it doesn't mean your gonna overheat. The CPU scales. Remember that. Its not like its running at 1440 all the time. Ive been running at 1440 ever since 7.1.0 came out with absolutely no overheating or lock ups.
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RushAOZ said:
Even if your overclocked it doesn't mean your gonna overheat. The CPU scales. Remember that. Its not like its running at 1440 all the time. Ive been running at 1440 ever since 7.1.0 came out with absolutely no overheating or lock ups.
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You can't dispute what I said. Because you are able to overclock to 1.4 without issues he should automatically be able to? Are all cpu's equal? Take some time to think about it.
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You can't dispute what I said. Because you are able to overclock to 1.4 without issues he should automatically be able to? Are all cpu's equal? Take some time to think about it.
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Of course. But that wasn't wwhat you said. You said overclocking needs higher voltages. Understood. I was only saying that the chances of his phone overheating because of ocing is slim. As far as I know only benchmarks and a few gpu intensive games will push the phone to run at 1.440 ghz. The CPU scales and barely even touches 1.2 ghz. Floats around 200 and 800mhz for the most part. I'm deducing this from my own usage and keeping an eye on the CPU with cpuspy. My point was that ocing wont do this unless he's actually pushing the CPU that far or setting the governor to performance. Which from the looks of it isn't the case
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Now that I measured it with a battery app, the temperature only goes up to 107.6 degrees...guess it just seemed really hot to me.

Inspire cm7 2ghz kernels?

Are any 2ghz kernels compatible with cm7?
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knightofthe9 said:
Are any 2ghz kernels compatible with cm7?
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at the risk of offending you, I would not recommend setting your phone to 2ghz..I can assure you nothing great in the long term is going to happen. As for kernels give LordClockan and TalonAce a glance, I'm not 100% sure if they are 2ghz kernels but its a good jumping off point
2ghz will fry your CPU. Maybe not initially buy your phone will definitely fail prematurely. The only reasons other people do it is because they can and they probably have a newer phone for their daily. Even just overclocking a little bit can have a negative impact but not as drastic. If you insist on overclocking I wouldnt exceed 1.4.
With that said there are several Aosp kernels that will allow you to push it to the limit. Just search the dev forum.
Overclocking your cpu will not hurt it unless its running hotter than the cooling system can handle. It will cause lock ups and failure to boot. If you start overvolting it, you WILL cause premature damage to the chip itself. Optimum overclock has always been 10-20% increase for any processor. Personally id rather underclock and undervolt a little, runs cooler and less power drain.
gizmoe is right, 2ghz is a 'just cuz i can' overclock. it wont run stable at that level. its like the 8ghz overclocks you see on the intel processors using LN2 cooling lol.
2ghz is bad.
I ran my inspire at 2ghz and besides the battery practically counting down the phones was heating up and that was maybe 15 minutes. Definitely not a goods idea.
Thank you for the input and info guys.
I could over clock and undervolt on a past captivate. Is there any app you would recommended for the inspire on cm7 to do this?
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Thank you for the input and info guys.
I could over clock and undervolt on a past captivate. Is there any app you would recommended for the inspire on cm7 to do this?
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Setcpu use to be the go to app but many found it to lag after waking the phone. Many have now moved on to daemon controller. From the looks of it you're using CM7 which has the function built in..I believe its menu > settings > CM settings > performance...or something like that...don't check set on boot until you know how much OC your phone can candle. If you like CM, take a look at Absolution by the Collective. They have scripts written for custom profiles for OC and UVing.
MMM-BACONSTRIPS said:
If you like CM, take a look at Absolution by the Collective. They have scripts written for custom profiles for OC and UVing.
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I've clocked to 2ghz a few times just to get a crazy quadrant score but that's about it. I usually keep mine somewhere in the 900mhz range with a little lite uv'ing and found that to be plenty.
2ghz can definitely be bad for your cpu..... Like to much bacon can be bad for your arteries.....
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Damn this thing gets hot!

Playing games is usually the culprit, but my nexus sometimes gets hot even after web browsing... How hot does your Nexus 5 get??
I can't say mine gets hot... I use Faux Kernel with the recommended settings and also undervolt my phone. You can also fiddle (lower) with the max frequencies for the CPU and GPU to your liking. You'll often find that you have more than enough power to handle games and can reduce the frequencies quite a bit.
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I can't say mine gets hot... I use Faux Kernel with the recommended settings and also undervolt my phone. You can also fiddle (lower) with the max frequencies for the CPU and GPU to your liking. You'll often find that you have more than enough power to handle games and can reduce the frequencies quite a bit.
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I dont want to mess around with Kernels and Root just yet.. Once the big ROM's start to pick up speed and become stable thats an option... Hoping Google brings out a software update to reduce the heat, and do something about the Camera, I honestly think if this had a Camera app which was optimised for the Camera it would be better than the S4 and the likes, when you put the S4 on a fully stock rom, the pictures are horrible, on the Nexus 5 they're just average... If it had the S4 Camera App who knows what it would be like!
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I dont want to mess around with Kernels and Root just yet.. Once the big ROM's start to pick up speed and become stable thats an option... Hoping Google brings out a software update to reduce the heat, and do something about the Camera, I honestly think if this had a Camera app which was optimised for the Camera it would be better than the S4 and the likes, when you put the S4 on a fully stock rom, the pictures are horrible, on the Nexus 5 they're just average... If it had the S4 Camera App who knows what it would be like!
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Have some faith in the Devs. There are a couple of ROMs and Kernels that are perfectly stable. Thanks to the Faux kernel I have seen a ton of improvements over stock when it comes to performance and battery life.
I came from the HTC One and my nexus hasn't gotten near as hot as that would get.
Blasty007 said:
I came from the HTC One and my nexus hasn't gotten near as hot as that would get.
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my evo 4g lte would get HOT
th3cavalry said:
my evo 4g lte would get HOT
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My Evo LTE never got hot, but my E4GT would get almost too hot to touch just from web browsing.
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Not hot
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Mines doesn't get hot too. At least unlike my Galaxy s4
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The N5 is the coolest running phone I've had. Coming from gs3, n4, and gs4
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