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So was samsungjohns big announcement not the support/questions thread. Just a question no flame intended. I think the vast majority of us that were all over that thread figured that support thread was the big news. So please inform us if it was not the news
Edit: Please keep this flame free this was just meant as a simple question
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oldskooldawgz said:
So was samsungjohns big announcement not the support/questions thread. Just a question no flame intended. I think the vast majority of us that were all over that thread figured that support thread was the big news. So please inform us if it was not the news
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No the thread was not the big news. To be honest I dont really have much info yet about this. To be honest I dont trust it to prove to be anything at all really. I will give more info as I get it.
As for Them starting a Support thread here....I dought it....Think about what we do here, and come to your own thoughts

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No the thread was not the big news.
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Well, that is good news.
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SamsungJohn should have just said what he had to say when he could. If he can't say today, then don't start a thread today. No need to hype it ahead of time. His first post should have been whatever big news he had. That would have avoided this debacle.

Thank you very much for your responce
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zelendel said:
No the thread was not the big news. To be honest I dont really have much info yet about this. To be honest I dont trust it to prove to be anything at all really. I will give more info as I get it.
As for Them starting a Support thread here....I dought it....Think about what we do here, and come to your own thoughts
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Thanks, please keep us informed. Cause unlike john, you're not part of samsung and have nothing to hype. Just shoot us straight.

I really think svetius needs to teach him a little pr. Maybe even have orb write his posts. I don't think he knows what he is doing.

No prob guys I would not leave you in the dark about this. I want to beleive the guy is here for good things but I just dont. If you stop and think for a min I think you will agree he is about as out of place here as as a fruit logo on anything other then a kids toy lmao.
On a side note lets not open anymore threads about this. I will leave this one open but others will be closed on site

TheSopranos16 said:
SamsungJohn should have just said what he had to say when he could. If he can't say today, then don't start a thread today. No need to hype it ahead of time. His first post should have been whatever big news he had. That would have avoided this debacle.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1INb5FM_1lE

TheSopranos16 said:
SamsungJohn should have just said what he had to say when he could. If he can't say today, then don't start a thread today. No need to hype it ahead of time. His first post should have been whatever big news he had. That would have avoided this debacle.
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Double True that!

I've seen mention of the Samsungjohn announcement a couple of times, but have no idea what it was in reference to, can someone please catch me up on it? Searching that user name yields no results..

rpicaso said:
I've seen mention of the Samsungjohn announcement a couple of times, but have no idea what it was in reference to, can someone please catch me up on it? Searching that user name yields no results..
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No one knows, all that has happened so far was several q&a threads that were opened and closed quickly because for good reason we are all pissed.
My head hurts

zelendel said:
If you stop and think for a min I think you will agree he is about as out of place here as as a fruit logo on anything other then a kids toy lmao.
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LOL, I have always said this to my friends who have the phone with the i in front of it (I will not directly mention that dumb phone)

Yea, and everyone around here on XDA were total D-bags and flammed the poor guy.
He's a marketing rep for Samsung, and I think was honestly trying to find a way to reach out to the XDA community. And in return, everyone ripped his thread to pieces.
I guess the old, "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar" doesn't work so well around here. Pitty too. Cause unless all the idiots around here plan on rushing the Samsung corporate headquarters and holding the CEO ransom, burning the one bridge set forth isn't going to get anyone anywhere.

mcord11758 said:
No one knows, all that has happened so far was several q&a threads that were opened and closed quickly because for good reason we are all pissed.
My head hurts
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I did finally find the thread, catching up now. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a trade in offer of some kind involved. Just speculation on my part tho. of course, after the reception he received here we probably won't hear anything now..

Shammyh said:
Yea, and everyone around here on XDA were total D-bags and flammed the poor guy.
He's a marketing rep for Samsung, and I think was honestly trying to find a way to reach out to the XDA community. And in return, everyone ripped his thread to pieces.
I guess the old, "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar" doesn't work so well around here. Pitty too. Cause unless all the idiots around here plan on rushing the Samsung corporate headquarters and holding the CEO ransom, burning the one bridge set forth isn't going to get anyone anywhere.
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I respectfully disagree with your position, but if we want this discussion to remain open lets avoid name calling and flaming

Shammyh said:
I guess the old, "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar" doesn't work so well around here. Pitty too. Cause unless all the idiots around here plan on rushing the Samsung corporate headquarters and holding the CEO ransom, burning the one bridge set forth isn't going to get anyone anywhere.
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I agree. The way I see it, we have nothing to lose. They already have our money. Why not let the guy say his piece? Is there anything he can possibly say that will sway our opinion without doing something about the problems? Is he going to hypnotize us into buying more Samsung products?

Shammyh said:
I guess the old, "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar" doesn't work so well around here. Pitty too. Cause unless all the idiots around here plan on rushing the Samsung corporate headquarters and holding the CEO ransom, burning the one bridge set forth isn't going to get anyone anywhere.
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With all due respect. Samsung has brought the hatred and anger on themselves. They choose to enter into agreements where they cant comment on the updates they provide. They choose to enter into agreements where they cant update their own hardware without the carriers blessing. They choose to allow their PR reps make comments about updates that never come dangling a carrot in front of those hopeful for the advanced features others on identical hardware in other countries enjoy.
Sorry they burned their bridges, they doused their customers with gasoline, you cant blame us for wanting to embrace them with our last fiery breaths.

Ok guys if this turns into a flame fest or name calling i will close this one as well. I am not sure what will happen if anything other then empty promises as like stated above "they already have our money." To be honest This will be my last Samsung device I ever own. No matter What Samsung has to say, I will never again promote a Samsung device, as I had big hopes for the Captivate. I should have known better after all the work I have had to do on their other smartphones, that this one would be just as much a POS as all the others, BJ, BJ II, Epic, Jack.

rahlquist said:
With all due respect. Samsung has brought the hatred and anger on themselves. They choose to enter into agreements where they cant comment on the updates they provide. They choose to enter into agreements where they cant update their own hardware without the carriers blessing. They choose to allow their PR reps make comments about updates that never come dangling a carrot in front of those hopeful for the advanced features others on identical hardware in other countries enjoy.
Sorry they burned their bridges, they doused their customers with gasoline, you cant blame us for wanting to embrace them with our last fiery breaths.
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I agree.
But when fortune turns in your favor, what's the best thing to do?
Continue the outrage and anger (justifiable as it may be) or turn the other cheek and see if something constructive can't be done?

Stop treating the "Wooters" like idiots

Is it just me or are the folks here a little catty with the "wooters"? You'd think we don't know how to operate technology. Did I spell all that correctly? But seriously, thanks to the good folks trying to help. I just don't like the pompous comments like the newcomers can't operate a tablet and some software. Peace.

ArkansasRazorbacks said:
Is it just me or are the folks here a little catty with the "wooters"? You'd think we don't know how to operate technology. Did I spell all that correctly? But seriously, thanks to the good folks trying to help. I just don't like the pompous comments like the newcomers can't operate a tablet and some software. Peace.
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Hi,
I think that it was discovered fairly recently that there are some serious potential incompatibilities in the latest unofficial rom (3991), and the devs, and others have had their hands full trying to help people. I don't know firsthand, but I imagine between this forum, the irc channel, and PMs, they must helped a ton of people.
Then the woot deal happened this week, and everybody probably worried about multiples of that, so I think the posts/threads about "be careful", were just proactive to try to help users avoid problems.
JMHO.
Jim

I'm a "Wooter" and came over here to get info on ROM/firmware builds for the device. I'm a current unhacked Archos 70 owner, and have had Samsung Captivate and HTC Evo 4G as well.
I haven't really seen _much_ condescension from this community on the Woot influx. Just some tongue-in-cheek "there goes the neighborhood" and "here come the n00bs" stuff.
I'm ready to admit that I am a n00b with the Viewsonic device, but welcome any help and "ROMs for Dummies" tutorials from this community.
My device should be here on Tuesday, so I hope to see a built and optimized 2.3 firmware package by Wednesday. :-D

jimcpl said:
Hi,
I think that it was discovered fairly recently that there are some serious potential incompatibilities in the latest unofficial rom (3991), and the devs, and others have had their hands full trying to help people. I don't know firsthand, but I imagine between this forum, the irc channel, and PMs, they must helped a ton of people.
Then the woot deal happened this week, and everybody probably worried about multiples of that, so I think the posts/threads about "be careful", were just proactive to try to help users avoid problems.
JMHO.
Jim
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That may be somewhat true but when I first bought my GTab and I got it from Office Depot and came to this thread I experienced the same unfriendly treatment. Most are just trying to learn and better GTab. Not here for confrontation, argument or unnecessary challenge.
To the original poster, I get what you are saying and don't feel singled out because you are Woot. Some here don't make newcomers feel welcome. Why I don't know. After awhile (and it should not exist at all) it tapers off, hopefully for you more sooner than later. Enjoy your GTab.

I'm a wooter, too. My woot gtab should arrive tomorrow. That said, you have to admit that the woot deal is probably the single factor that brought/will bring a significant higher people to this site. And please understand that many of us have spent years dealing with the non-tech savy. We know how the typical non-tech savy behave.

What I've generally seen so far is a lot of "please read the FAQ's" and "please use search" and "please read the instructions thoroughly when modding". I've also done a few tongue in cheek comments, but if anything else I'm not being condescending -- if anything else I'm a little nervous at the amount of users that might be coming. Everyone was a n00b once.
When new users come in small dribs and drabs, I think the forum has been able to handle it. But if there are potentially hundreds of new users in the next week, it's going to be complete madness.
I've actually re-written ALL my main posts, with Woot users in mind. If anything else, the Wooters have gotten me off my sorry arse and gotten me to really look at my instructions and go through them with a fine-tooth comb to ensure that stuff is clear.
One of the other reasons for my own temporary push of posts is because it's EOM and I may have a smaller footprint this week (work stuff). So I'm spouting my concerns now before my visibility is lessened.

roebeet said:
What I've generally seen so far is a lot of "please read the FAQ's" and "please use search" and "please read the instructions thoroughly when modding". I've also done a few tongue in cheek comments, but if anything else I'm not being condescending -- if anything else I'm a little nervous at the amount of users that might be coming. Everyone was a n00b once.
When new users come in small dribs and drabs, I think the forum has been able to handle it. But if there are potentially hundreds of new users in the next week, it's going to be complete madness.
I've actually re-written ALL my main posts, with Woot users in mind. If anything else, the Wooters have gotten me off my sorry arse and gotten me to really look at my instructions and go through them with a fine-tooth comb to ensure that stuff is clear.
One of the other reasons for my own temporary push of posts is because it's EOM and I may have a smaller footprint this week (work stuff). So I'm spouting my concerns now before my visibility is lessened.
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Thanks, Roebeet and I am laughing. It is always rough when you are starting out with new equipment even if it is functioning properly. Throw unstable into the mix and you will have tens of thousands trying to figure out stability real fast.
Also, I cruised Amazon's tabs yesterday and they have GTab as number one best selling on their site. The buyer's reviews all point to XDA and immediately modding your tab. I'm not kidding. This tab was a sleeper because most tech mags--cnet, pc mag, pc world, etc. gave it bad reviews. However, when people got their hands on one (from at a store, friend, peer, colleague, family member or such) it was a different story. The general public is now starting to respond favorably to GTab. You may get even more traffic.
I like your spirit though, you are good people. Look at this community as the future "tech forum facebook" 500 million and counting... Hey it is a blessing when you have multiple mainstream sites throwing traffic your way. You don't have to work at SEO rankings. Please translate that to some of the other people who are here already that make newcomers feel unwelcome. The term wooters is not nice. What happened to "new G Tab owners"? Some egos here need to be minimized on the task bar or forced close. -Peace, mostly this is a good site offering a wealth of information.

My $.02 ..
the people who have been on here, and owned a gtab for a while are the people who are more apt to purchase bleeding-edge gadgets, and are generally more savy and aware of potential problems..
Some may be viewing the "wooters" as uninformed consumers looking for the best deal ..
yeah, i realize this is a huge generalization but i imagine alot of people are thinking the same thing..
so i say "Welcome wooters !" (just don't ask a question thats been answered 38 times) hehe

edirector said:
Thanks, Roebeet and I am laughing. It is always rough when you are starting out with new equipment even if it is functioning properly. Throw unstable into the mix and you will have tens of thousands trying to figure out stability real fast.
Also, I cruised Amazon's tabs yesterday and they have GTab as number one best selling on their site. The buyer's reviews all point to XDA and immediately modding your tab. I'm not kidding. This tab was a sleeper because most tech mags--cnet, pc mag, pc world, etc. gave it bad reviews. However, when people got their hands on one (from at a store, friend, peer, colleague, family member or such) it was a different story. The general public is now starting to respond favorably to GTab. You may get even more traffic.
I like your spirit though, you are good people. Look at this community as the future "tech forum facebook" 500 million and counting... Hey it is a blessing when you have multiple mainstream sites throwing traffic your way. You don't have to work at SEO rankings. Please translate that to some of the other people who are here already that make newcomers feel unwelcome. The term wooters is not nice. What happened to "new G Tab owners"? Some egos here need to be minimized on the task bar or forced close. -Peace, mostly this is a good site offering a wealth of information.
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I was a Wooter long before I joined XDA - don't worry, it's an acceptable term and we wear it with pride.
Btw, I have NEVER managed to snag a Bandolier of Carrots - always a bridesmaid, never a bride.....

ArkansasRazorbacks said:
Is it just me or are the folks here a little catty with the "wooters"? You'd think we don't know how to operate technology. Did I spell all that correctly? But seriously, thanks to the good folks trying to help. I just don't like the pompous comments like the newcomers can't operate a tablet and some software. Peace.
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I know this is off topic but couldn't help and notice you're a Razorbacks fan. Good to see another Arkansas guy here on the forums. Where are you located? I'm in Conway right now attending UCA. I'm also another wooter waiting for his G-Tablet!

Maybe us Wooters could be put to use. I'd be glad to donate some time to work on a wiki, for example, although I've never actually put one together. Surely there is something that new board members could do.

Sorry for the long post but I must echo the sentiments of others. It is not the intent of most to make new members feel unwelcome, as I can remember when I first got the Gtabs for my wife and myself after finding the community support of XDA. Even in the smaller Gtab/XDA community, members had problems and needed to be helped, many would not use the search function and just ask repeatedly about issues that had already been addressed and resolved. Now that Android tablets are coming to light with the heavily advertised Xoom, the fear is simply that thanks to the overwhelming response to WOOT the common questions will appear again and again as our great forums expand to receive more and more new members. I'm sure that there is no animosity or malice intended, just an attempt to make new members aware of possible pitfalls and resolutions. More users will make this forum and the Gtab better and better.
Welcome to all

I don't think the majority of the users are treating Wooters as idiots, just trying to make their Gtab experience a good one. R emember that when most of us started adding ROMs there weren't several stock builds and several dozen flavors of ROMs to choose from. Also the users that experienced severe interaction problems were bleeding edge guys who expected issues and were willing to work through them. Based on many of the new owners questions, many are expecting to load a new ROM and have an ipad killer. As you read the rooting instructions don't skip the " Risk" section.

Its not just going to be the wooters. Circut City and Tiger Direct selling it for $299. there will be alot of wooters, Tigers and Circiters I guess. This forum is going to explode soon with folks. I dont think people are condesending but I think alot of folks are nerveous about the amount of people coming in here by next weekend.

Here's the biggest drawback I see.
1.) Influx of lazy forum users who post a question without searching. Those new threads go unanswered or with more knowledgeable members say "Use the search". Now, non-lazy forum users come in, with their newly purchased GTab, hit the search, and they end up with 3 pages of useless threads as listed before.
2.) The knowledgeable members need to work on concentrating the info into ONE FAQ or Wiki style. Right now, the number of stuck threads is getting a tad ridiculous. When there are 12 stuck threads that say "READ FIRST", it falls into the same category as the saying "If everything is high priority, nothing is".
I almost wish we could lock the ROMs from being downloaded, until someone has READ 10 threads (as opposed to being able to post in the dev section prior to posting 10 times).
In saying all that, I read a lot before I bought my tab, I read a few threads multiple times AFTER I bought my tab, to make sure I was doing it right. I just wish others had the same patience and diligence.

vaccdroid said:
Its not just going to be the wooters. Circut City and Tiger Direct selling it for $299. there will be alot of wooters, Tigers and Circiters I guess. This forum is going to explode soon with folks. I dont think people are condesending but I think alot of folks are nerveous about the amount of people coming in here by next weekend.
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Nervous? I'm terrified.
I've been on the Woot! GTAB discussion thread, heavily. Long before I chimed in, XDA was mentioned repeatedly over there.
h3llphyre said:
Here's the biggest drawback I see.
1.) Influx of lazy forum users who post a question without searching. Those new threads go unanswered or with more knowledgeable members say "Use the search". Now, non-lazy forum users come in, with their newly purchased GTab, hit the search, and they end up with 3 pages of useless threads as listed before.
2.) The knowledgeable members need to work on concentrating the info into ONE FAQ or Wiki style. Right now, the number of stuck threads is getting a tad ridiculous. When there are 12 stuck threads that say "READ FIRST", it falls into the same category as the saying "If everything is high priority, nothing is".
I almost wish we could lock the ROMs from being downloaded, until someone has READ 10 threads (as opposed to being able to post in the dev section prior to posting 10 times).
In saying all that, I read a lot before I bought my tab, I read a few threads multiple times AFTER I bought my tab, to make sure I was doing it right. I just wish others had the same patience and diligence.
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When I re-wrote my ROM posts, I moved the downloads nearer to the bottom, on purpose, with the hopes that new users would read through the post first. Probably unlikely, but worth a shot.
Btw, there's already a request for a Wiki or main FAQ section, via the moderator thread in General (I chimed in, as well). But I don't get the feeling that it's going to happen, at least not yet.

roebeet said:
Nervous? I'm terrified.
I've been on the Woot! GTAB discussion thread, heavily. Long before I chimed in, XDA was mentioned repeatedly over there.
When I re-wrote my ROM posts, I moved the downloads nearer to the bottom, on purpose, with the hopes that new users would read through the post first. Probably unlikely, but worth a shot.
Btw, there's already a request for a Wiki or main FAQ section, via the moderator thread in General (I chimed in, as well). But I don't get the feeling that it's going to happen, at least not yet.
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Lol, I was one of those answering questions and pushing people sitting on the fense over into our yard.
Great device- Great people here Talked work into picking up 9 for the techs .
Selling my personal one and picking up a xoom (got a work one comming now )
I have seen the n00b bashing on this forum before... Sometimes I sympathise with both sides though....
I have seen where the whole first page is 75% I have bricked my tablet HELP!!! and then someone else posts same thing again....
Other times I have seen a single Help post only to be met with USE THE SEARCH N00b!!!... When the issue actually wasn't something answered completely before..
SO I think we all need to take a chill pill (except Roebeet, He is totally exempt and allowed to throw a fit if he wants he he) And just deal with answering the same question 5k times . The returns from it should be pretty good. The larger the community the more developers etc we will also inherit

I am a fellow wooter and am looking forward to getting my G tablet tomorrow. I was pretty intent on doing a mod but with recent posts I am re considering that decision. I just hope that Honeycomb is released for the device eventually, although I will not hold my breath.
Roebeet, I think you should look at this as an opportunity. I have not even received my tablet yet but I have already donated $5 to you. There are over 10,000 new owners who could all use your advice and your expertice. If they all do the same you could have a nice side career. I hope I will never have to bother you for any assitance. I think I will stay stock for a while and then maybe I will try a ROM. I am not a total newb, I did manage to successfully root my Droid and install Gingerbread, but I am always squeamish about modding devices. You can fail a heck of lot easier than you can succeed. But if I do ever need help I think that you are the guy!

Think I am more on the fence about modding also due to the low cost of thbis tablet. If you do something to it you cant return it for a new one at woot. Woot doesnt really do returns easy and if they do take it back you get your money back not a new one. then if you want another you will have to get lucky looking for another deal ( like at Tiger Direct this weekend) or buy one for $400. For me thats too risky to just play around with it.
ALso as for honeycomb on here. Probally a better chance that it will happen considering that there are 10-15 thousand more G Tablet owners now then there were last week. They dont support devices for long if they dont sell but this G tablet is now a big seller. * Woot-Circut Ciity-Tiger Direct etc).

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My $.02 ..
the people who have been on here, and owned a gtab for a while are the people who are more apt to purchase bleeding-edge gadgets, and are generally more savy and aware of potential problems..
Some may be viewing the "wooters" as uninformed consumers looking for the best deal ..
yeah, i realize this is a huge generalization but i imagine alot of people are thinking the same thing..
so i say "Welcome wooters !" (just don't ask a question thats been answered 38 times) hehe
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Well I think those who might feel that way, need to do a reality check. It is really is hard being a noob and everyone starts out as one.
Yes, I am a deal hunter but hardly an uninformed consumer. Hopefully people are aware of what they are getting themselves in for, but true there will be some who have no clue.
From what I have seen/read, the seniors and mods have been good and fair, but like other blogs, the search sucks and people get scared/frustrated so patience and education will be required. It's tough reading a zillion posts to find an answer.
Just my two cents.
FYI I've been a software developer for 25+ years and was literally doing ROMs (as in burning images to silicon) before the idea of smart phones or tablets existed. I worked at a small company named "Poqet Computer" (hence the poqeteer alias), the first pocket sized PC. Unfortunately it was way before its time and like other startups... Died. Also unfortunately that has very little to do with this piece of hardware... So please be kind to this and all other noobs.
- Lance.

Touch Button Issue HTC One S - Communication campaign "Operation Rolling Thunder"

Touch Button Issue HTC One S - Communication campaign "Operation Rolling Thunder"
Hi all,
If you ended up on this thread, it probably means that like many others, including me, you have experienced the so-called "Home button issue" on your HTC One S. To sum it up very briefly, it happens mostly when you're on EDGE and the signal is weak: what then happens is that all the sudden, your phone simulates rapid presses of the Home Button, leading to your display switching constantly between the main Home screen and the "helicopter view" showing the 7 home screens. When it happens, the buttons become useless, and you cannot use your phone anymore. Needless to say it is a really annoying matter...
As you may know, there are many threads that report the issue in many different countries, which leads to believe that hundreds if not thousands of users are having the same issue... XDA has a very complete thread on the matter, which focuses on grouping people reports, hypothetical fixes, leads, ideas, comments etc. I strongly suggest you check it out if you haven't done so yet after you're done reading this post. Here's the link:
SneakyGhost's "report/troubleshooting" thread regarding Home button issue​
You will also find a link to a spreadsheet in this thread where you can write yourself in and describe your issue and its circumstances, thus helping people working on the issue to figure out a solution. Big thanks to SneakyGhost and ZoesDad for all the work! Remember to write your details in the sheet when you're through this post if you haven't done so yet. Here's the link:
SneakyGhost's spreadsheet for reporting the issue​
Now, if you followed up on this issue, you will soon notice that many users have reported the problem to HTC, starting some months ago. The results were nowhere near satisfying:
No reply at all to their complaints;
Automatic emails from customer support telling people to restart or factory reset their phones, even though they had explained that they had already tried this in their mails;
Requests to send their phones in for repair. After weeks, customers would get their phones returned, with the exact same issue still present;
Emails from HTC stating that they were (finally) aware of the issue and that a patch would be released in the coming days/weeks. That was months ago, nothing has happened as of yet...
Bottom line: Nothing happened, the matter is still not solved, and we are all still stuck with devices that can stop working at any given time if the signal starts going down. Inacceptable. Time to act!
​Operation Rolling Thunder
Apparently, HTC needs a little "motivation" so solve this issue, so here is my suggestion (I discussed the idea with some people on SneakyGhost's thread, link to exact page here):
In order to make ourselves heard, we need to join in a combined effort to attract attention of HTC through the media. I therefore started posting negative reviews of the HTC One S on numerous websites that review or sell the product. On each of them, I left a comment reporting this issue and advising people not to buy the phone until the matter was resolved.
...And here is where I need your help: I ask you to take a little time off and start doing the same. I will try to make it as easy and fast for you as possible.
The goal is to "spam" review and sales websites with so many negative reviews that the phone's average note will sink to the bottom. Thus, when people will check out the phone, they will see a quite good editor's note, but a very low users note. They will most probably then read users reviews and find out about the issue, which will lead them to delay their purchase or switch to another model or brand... They will talk/comment about it, and so on.
If enough people in various countries participate to the action, we will make quite some noise, and I am convinced that HTC will hear about it. Actually, my plan is to let them know asap that such an action is ongoing. I want them to be aware of this, and I believe we should regularly "invite" them to read our reviews on famous websites, and let them know that we will not stop until the patch is released. No promise of future upcoming patches will stop this action. The only way for them to stop us from spamming websites with unhappy comments will be the release of a patch that adresses the issue. Only then will we stop our action and edit our reviews/comments.
Operation Rolling Thunder: Phases
Phase One:
Leave posts/reviews/comments on famous review and/or sales websites
Send updates regularly to HTC about progress. If no patch after 1-2 weeks, proceed to phase two.
Phase Two:
Send emails to the carriers/tech supports of respective countries
Send regular updates to HTC about progress. If no patch after 1-2 weeks, proceed to phase three.
Phase Three:
Send emails to the media: bloggers, press...
Send regular updates to HTC about progress. If no patch by then... Improvise.
Now, I have already started with phase one on my own, and if you want things to change, I hereby invite you to join me in my effort to "motivate" our friends at HTC.
Remember to check out the two next posts. I wrote them to provide you with useful tools and advice, so that you can easily contribute to the action:
- Review templates in different languages
- Direct links to the product pages on famous websites for posting
- Some advice (my two cents)
Report your contributions:
After posting your reviews, don't forget to post your contribution through this form!
It will help us keep track of progress and maintain pressure on HTC!
You can check out the results at any given time in this spreadsheet!
(Many thanks to SneakyGhost for his advice and the idea of the sheet :good
Please keep this thread tidy:
Thank you for not postings rants, complaints or non-constructive comments on this thread. It is important, especially if we relay a link to this thread to the media/press at a later stage, that it remains factual. Posts are reserved for the following:
Your reports on where you posted reviews, in order to show involvement
Your suggestions on new links to websites to post reviews on
Constructive remarks.
Remember that this post is dedicated to the Home screen issue ONLY!
Don't forget to fill out the form when you are done posting your reviews! Here are the links to the form and to the spreadsheet!
Thank you in advance for your effort, may this campaign be successful... for all our sakes :highfive:

Post/review templates and advice
Below are some links to reviews/comments I wrote in different languages. Feel free to copy/paste them (or edit them, if you disagree on certain aspects: it's your review!) if you don't feel like writing them yourself.
Some advice when it comes to reviewing (if I may...):
A general note of no more than one star (less if possible) would be appropriate for this phone as long as the bug persists, don't you think?
Don't be hostile/rude... You are probably pissed by now and tired of waiting, but try to keep things civil. It will add to the credibility of this action and benefit the results. We don't want to sound like raving idiots, but rather like a determined group of people who want to make things happen...
I believe that it writing in the title of your review that this phone would deserve a better note if the issue was gone might help encourage HTC to provide a fix. Just stating the HTC One S is a **it phone will probably not encourage them so much, rather the opposite.
Please insert a link to this thread and SneakyGhost's in your reviews, so people can read about the issue and know what we are talking about. They should know that this is a legitimate effort, not some loose and unmotivated ranting...
In order to keep things fair, I plan to edit/adapt my reviews when HTC has fixed the issue. I hope you'll do the same...
Let's act like gentlemen: the phone wouldn't deserve such a bad note if it wasn't for this bug. Let's remember that when a fix removes the issue.
Here are the review templates:
- In English
- In French
- In German (I'm not so great in German, so you might want to adapt a little )
Don't forget to fill out the form when you are done posting your reviews! Here are the links to the form and to the spreadsheet!
Thanks for your help!

Links to review/sales websites
Here are some links to websites you might want to post on. Of course, you are welcome to post on other relevant places too.
Leave a comment in this thread with the links, and I'll update the list whenever I can!
Remember that some websites may have several HTC One Ses on sale. They can all be reviewed...
Some advice on speeding things up:
You'll always have to create a user on the websites you post on. Thankfully, it usually requires a username and a mail adress. No big deal, one minute tops! Facebook login works too sometimes...
This is how I do when a website has the HTC One S several times for sale (aka Amazon): I search for the HTS One S, then sort from highest price down in order to avoid cases and accessories. When the list appears, I open every HTC One S page in a new tab. I then go to the reviews page for each of them and start copy/pasting. It took me barely 10 minutes to review 20 HTC One S on an Amazon!
Don't comment on somebody else's review, make your own. That way, you can give a (1-star) note.
You may post on French post even if you're not French. Trust in my post
Here are the links. I tried to make sure you would end up on the right page (review page or list page with HTC One Ses)
English:
Cnet.com (post confirmed)
Cnet.com.au (post confirmed)
Amazon.com (post confirmed)
Amazon.co.uk (post confirmed)
GSMarena.com (post confirmed)
Techradar.com (post confirmed)
German:
Amazon.de (post confirmed)
Saturn.de (post confirmed)
CyberPort.de (post confirmed)
Pixmania.de
French:
Amazon.fr (post confirmed)
LesNumériques (post confirmed)
Clubic.com
Pixmania.fr
Darty.fr
LesMobiles (post confirmed)
FrAndroid (post confirmed)
TomsGuide.fr (post confirmed)
cDiscount
Don't forget to fill out the form when you are done posting your reviews! Here are the links to the form and to the spreadsheet!

Posts to publish on forums and gather people
Here are post templates you can use in order to rally people on other forums to join this action/thread. Don't forget to leave posts in video comments too
Post Template (EN)
Post Template (FR)
Post Template (DE) (I'm not so great in German, so you might want to adapt a little )
Help me spread the word. Thank you!

Right mate. That'll be a rush of people showing up I hope.
From the posts surfacing in my thread now I get the feeling that some where drawn here from sales sites already.
I haven't gotten to read through your reviews yet so forgive my ignorance: have you thought of dropping a link to this xda thread and/or mine in your reviews?
One thing I deem of major importance is making the spreadsheet reflect a true picture of the situation out there. That'll be only possible if we reach as many people as possible. So I think having the sheet linked to the product directly it would get us closer to that goal. At last 430 potential reviewers can spread it quite far and fast I guess.
Power to the masses!
Somehow I really like mobilizing a lit of people in a short time.
Have you ever heard of avaaz.org? They've gotten the most brilliant campaigning concept I know of. They managed to get a million signatures in 24h for some campaigns...
Feel the Viper!

Sneakyghost said:
I haven't gotten to read through your reviews yet so forgive my ignorance: have you thought of dropping a link to this xda thread and/or mine in your reviews?
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Good point. Not always. I urged people to google the issue, but no direct links. Had done most of the reviewing before getting active here. I ll update my templates so the links are in there. Thanks.
Sneakyghost said:
One thing I deem of major importance is making the spreadsheet reflect a true picture of the situation out there. That'll be only possible if we reach as many people as possible. So I think having the sheet linked to the product directly it would get us closer to that goal. At last 430 potential reviewers can spread it quite far and fast I guess.
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Agreed. How do you suggest we achieve this? I was planning on PMing those who left their usernames in your sheet. Do you have a quicker solution?
Sneakyghost said:
Somehow I really like mobilizing a lit of people in a short time.
Have you ever heard of avaaz.org? They've gotten the most brilliant campaigning concept I know of. They managed to get a million signatures in 24h for some campaigns...
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Yep, heard about them. I think we can start as planned, and if we need some help because things aren't going fast enough, we could find some inspiration/help over there. Yet I think that even a few hundred people can achieve a lot, if they do the posting properly. As I said earlier, most product pages only have maybe a dozen reviews, so our posts will definitely tilt the balance.

Sneakyghost said:
I haven't gotten to read through your reviews yet so forgive my ignorance: have you thought of dropping a link to this xda thread and/or mine in your reviews?
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Done! Please remember to set up a little description of this thread and big fat link leading here on your first post, will you?
Thanks!

I have not experienced the problem but I'm all in for this
Sent from my HTC One S using xda app-developers app

I appreciate your willingness to help us out, I really do, but I will have to ask you to stand down if you haven't experienced the home screen issue yet. I want ONLY people who really have this problem to post about it, or at least through this action/thread.
Why? Well, because if others do so, it undermines credibility. I want honest statements on these review websites, from people who have seen this bug first hand.
That's my official point of view on the matter. Of course, I cannot stop you from helping us anyway
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using xda app-developers app

I have now left comments on most videos about this phone I could come across: reviews, but also problem reports etc.
I might have forgotten some: you are welcome to help me out
Remember: TOGETHER, WE ARE LEGION!
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using xda app-developers app

I'm sorry but is this really a real issue? My whole family (not including baby brother) has the oneS were all rooted and on different ROMs(my sister just prefers stock though) and none of us have had this problem... not even once. I truly believe it is not fair for people to write bad reviews on phones because of one issue a select few are having... and ones has 4g why are you using edge? Leave a one star rating? How about you get a new phone and leave this beauty to us?
Sent from my HTC One S using xda app-developers app

I have two devices and one is ok.
I think there's people though who got a return from service with a new phone 4 times and the issue is still there. Look over at the Vodafone UK forums.
Since the facts show that it is spread over all production batches and all software variants and also even happens on the 850/1900mhz band, although far less frequent, we came to believe that this issue can theoretically affect every unit.
Those who do not suffer it are considered lucky ones for now.
I am aware that this is all looking very grim but I'm sure it really isn't. Just HTC's response is dark and grim.
It's mainly about putting more pressure on HTC since they have fobbed us of since basically April now.
I am very very sorry if this concerns you as happy user. Basically the idea for such a campaign already came up at around the end of July when I and zoesdad where discussing options but we opted to hold off such actions and also discourage others from doing so out of fairness reasons.
We have now reached a span of six month nearly consisting of nothing but empty promises and denial. It is just enough now.
Also keep in mind that we will change the reviews and take back everything we can as soon as HTC commits to the issue in the shape of a real fix.
Thank you for your understanding.
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Gibarian,
I have now begun to post some reviews (managed to cover cnet) but my lunchbreak is short...
I would like to edit your german template, impressive german you got there (where do you come from mate?), but i would like to take out a few minor glitches, makes it sound a little smoother then. Do you mind?
Here's the edit. Take it or leave it: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pJUpTGLz8PNJkwqwRg1IhardJys172wwyv3sMp5Zvh4/edit

Roundtableprez said:
I'm sorry but is this really a real issue? My whole family (not including baby brother) has the oneS were all rooted and on different ROMs(my sister just prefers stock though) and none of us have had this problem... not even once. I truly believe it is not fair for people to write bad reviews on phones because of one issue a select few are having... and ones has 4g why are you using edge? Leave a one star rating? How about you get a new phone and leave this beauty to us?
Sent from my HTC One S using xda app-developers app
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I couldn't agree more on SneakyGhost's reply on your post. I share this 100%
I'm really happy for you, I just wish all of us would have the same things to report, trust me.
I haven't enjoyed spending half my day and my whole night all the way to 5am writing this thread, the reviews, the posts, the sheets and forms, the advices, the research and all the posting. I would have loved to just sit back in my garden and toy with my phone (which is a beauty, no argument there!) Unfortunately I can't, because of this issue. I had it no later than today when using the GPS, which would just disappear and the screen would go crazy. No way to rely on it...
As SneakyGhost pointed out, we unfortunate ones feel neglected and are disappointed by HTC's lack of action. Thus the action.
Remember this:
- We plan to adjust our reviews as soon as the bug has been mended
- We clearly point out that the bad review is due to this bug
- We urge people to remain civil
You might want to read what I replied to maek_it_happen a few posts higher, and who was offering to help even if he did not have the issue (thanks again): we do not encourage this, because we want our claim to be justified and forwarded only by people who suffer from this issue. I believe that is fair, no?
And about using 4G instead of EDGE: Man, don't you think I would do so if I could? I don't choose to connect to the slowest network available. Maybe I do so because there's nothing else around... Btw, the technical sheet of our phone clearly states that is compatible to EDGE. So...
Enjoy your phone, and please wish for all of us here to be able to do the same pretty soon
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using xda app-developers app

Sneakyghost said:
Gibarian,
I have now begun to post some reviews (managed to cover cnet) but my lunchbreak is short...
I would like to edit your german template, impressive german you got there (where do you come from mate?), but i would like to take out a few minor glitches, makes it sound a little smoother then. Do you mind?
Here's the edit. Take it or leave it: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pJUpTGLz8PNJkwqwRg1IhardJys172wwyv3sMp5Zvh4/edit
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Thanks SneakyGhost. You work on sundays? Oh man, sorry to hear that...
Check out my profile: I'm from Luxembourg. Puts me on the crossroads between France, Germany and Belgium. And my wife is swedish, so English is the way to go at home
I will insert your template: I'm sure it's better than mine
I'll PM you to grant you admin rights to all the documents: it will make things easier.
CU!
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using xda app-developers app

Sneakyghost said:
Gibarian,
I have now begun to post some reviews (managed to cover cnet) but my lunchbreak is short...
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Nice. Cheers! Hopefully others will follow your lead
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using xda app-developers app

Sneakyghost said:
I have two devices and one is ok.
I think there's people though who got a return from service with a new phone 4 times and the issue is still there. Look over at the Vodafone UK forums.
Since the facts show that it is spread over all production batches and all software variants and also even happens on the 850/1900mhz band, although far less frequent, we came to believe that this issue can theoretically affect every unit.
Those who do not suffer it are considered lucky ones for now.
I am aware that this is all looking very grim but I'm sure it really isn't. Just HTC's response is dark and grim.
It's mainly about putting more pressure on HTC since they have fobbed us of since basically April now.
I am very very sorry if this concerns you as happy user. Basically the idea for such a campaign already came up at around the end of July when I and zoesdad where discussing options but we opted to hold off such actions and also discourage others from doing so out of fairness reasons.
We have now reached a span of six month nearly consisting of nothing but empty promises and denial. It is just enough now.
Also keep in mind that we will change the reviews and take back everything we can as soon as HTC commits to the issue in the shape of a real fix.
Thank you for your understanding.
[EDIT]
Gibarian,
I have now begun to post some reviews (managed to cover cnet) but my lunchbreak is short...
I would like to edit your german template, impressive german you got there (where do you come from mate?), but i would like to take out a few minor glitches, makes it sound a little smoother then. Do you mind?
Here's the edit. Take it or leave it: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pJUpTGLz8PNJkwqwRg1IhardJys172wwyv3sMp5Zvh4/edit
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You got promises from HTC? Truth full though they support their phones better then most my sidekick never received an update from Samsung. My droid didn't from Motorola. Holy**** my HTC oneS did though. Give it some time you can't expect to fix an edge data problem when everyone uses 3g/4g right away lol. Anyways I'll go back to my thread as to not clutter your guys thread we can argue about the ethics there if you like.
Sent from my HTC One S using xda app-developers app

Trust me, no real harm done, this is a mere try to threaten a giant. It will probably just show that we are serious but never bring down the sales figures. That is a dream. But a dream worth the while. And mate, it might help us at the end of the day.
HTC promises fixes since two month at least, has released 3 updates (one of them just being a voda) of which each manipulated the issue in a slightly different way and looking at it in sequence gives the impression of HTC actually testing a fix on us. Which is so not right. We are not getting paid as beta testers.
There is one user on a German forum claiming he got an ETA for the final fix, named the 8th of October. I think thats just bullsh from either him or the agent he spoke to. Anyhow: if there is such a thing as an ETA, its just so unfair to not let us know and let us fry in our pains here.
I think many of us would willingly test stuff out and help to get this resolved asap but its just like we are treated like idiots since month. It just makes me feel so stupid and i ask myself why do i do all this data collection, analyzing, thinking about solutions, chatting with people to try desperate measures ( Tecardo already nearly bricked his unit trying to figure out a fix on his own)...
Its just such an EFFIN pain!
It needs to go away.
My phone resorted to locked buttons variant of the issue all freakin day today! kept unlocking it so i could - maybe - use it for a few seconds until the buttons locked up again...
And honestly, i am short of giving up, selling it on ebay and buying a HOX instead on Ebay Local markets every day. Every Day i keep thinking about this but i wont for two reasons: i have some honor left and i wont sell THIS POS to anyone in that state. The other reason: there is no other phone i would feel comfortable with so much. The HOX gets close but honestly, its made from plastic and its not nearly as nice. The phone is too big too.

This whole campaign sounds like a bad idea. Using threats to get your way is not the proper way to get people to listen. All the and reviews will do is discouraged people from buying the one s and if this happens HTC will offer less support. Why spoil the dozen if one egg is bad
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why keep a dozen bad eggs if only one is good?
And: we think we don't threaten. We rather believe we haven been overly fair to a company that is not fair to us. We have all kept very very quiet. Most have not rated the phone or reviewed it yet because most expect this to not hit the majority and most did not take action to not spoil the dozen. We have quietly dealt with HTC support. But now it becomes apparent more and more that HTC support just does nothing, zip, nada. It is a real joke. Not a funny one though. So what this is, is that we are no longer wanting to be quiet. We want everyone else to know that there is problems with these phones. Potential ones. It is not just all candy.
and believe me, the matter has been discussed between us up and down the argument ladder since beginning of august. I said that already. It will NOT permanently damage sales. Naming it a bad idea means you believe in it having more effect than we do.
Trust me, it will NOT have such a major impact. We will never manage to rate it down on all relevant sites. All that will happen is a little too much salt in the pie.
It will draw attention to the problem. Not more. And once HTC acts correctly, the reviews will be all praise and hallelujah.
No whining. We had enough mercy. This should have been sorted at least 3 month ago. The issue became apparent in April. Now we have september. Which is closing in on october. So that makes it getting close to 2 quarters of a year. I and many others reckon one quarter to fix a very serious issue that hits hundreds of people more than adequate.
We don't even have near the resources HTC has but in the same 5 and a half month we got very near the source of the problem. The only thing that keeps a few people from finally fixing it is the goddamn Security HTC put on the phones.
So, ironically, we can't even fix it ourselves even though we probably could because HTC doesn't allow us too.
How would you feel in that situation? I think we act very rational, very well discussed and very controlled.
This will NOT damage anyone.
Please have trust.

Fredfly said:
This whole campaign sounds like a bad idea. Using threats to get your way is not the proper way to get people to listen. All the and reviews will do is discouraged people from buying the one s and if this happens HTC will offer less support. Why spoil the dozen if one egg is bad
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Let me make a wild guess here: I am willing to bet that you don't have this issue. Am I right? So you don't have the bad egg. Now imagine you did...
Because if you did, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't say this, especially after having written to HTC for support and gotten an automatic reply, or none at all, or having returned your phone and waited just to end up with the same result etc etc.
Again: if your phone works perfectly, congratulations! I wish I was in your shoes. But I'm not, and neither are many others. So, after having tried every other way, we end up here. If you have a better suggestion, I will gladly take it. Maybe exchange your phone for mine, how about that?
Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything here. Those who want to take part in the action probably have good reason to, because spending time creating user accounts and posting on websites is not that fun. Trust me, I know Yet if people do it, it means that they have a pretty strong motivation to do so, and no other choice.
Bottom line: I am looking forward to enjoying my One S fully, like you probably do, when this issue is fixed. But I will do what it takes to get there!
If you cannot understand this, fair enough. I really hope you won't have to share my experience.
Live long and prosper!

Hopes & Dreams

Is it silly to hope this update will provide a pathway to re-unlocking the boot loader?
If so, I'll update, if not, I'll hold off. *le sigh*

It has been stated over and over again that the security hole was patched. 4.4 is even more secure. People need to stop asking about unlocking, it's getting old.
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RikRong said:
It has been stated over and over again that the security hole was patched. 4.4 is even more secure. People need to stop asking about unlocking, it's getting old.
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So, thanks for your asinine, non responsive reply. The question was whether the update could provide a pathway to unlocking. I assure you I am more familiar with the situation of the boot loader than you are. Acceptable answers would include
1. Yes
2. Yes because blah blah blah
3. No
4. No because blah blah blah
It has already been debated that the update could possibly include a change to the boot loader that could be exploited. Since there are those that are more knowledgeable than me and are able to give actual answers, I shall ask you to have a good day, sir.

brownrt said:
So, thanks for your asinine, non responsive reply. The question was whether the update could provide a pathway to unlocking. I assure you I am more familiar with the situation of the boot loader than you are. Acceptable answers would include
1. Yes
2. Yes because blah blah blah
3. No
4. No because blah blah blah
It has already been debated that the update could possibly include a change to the boot loader that could be exploited. Since there are those that are more knowledgeable than me and are able to give actual answers, I shall ask you to have a good day, sir.
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It's just because this question gets asked over and over and over again. A little bit of searching will pretty much explain how this was an exploit, not an actual path to unlocking the bootloader. Once this was patched and fixed, the hopes of finding another exploit to unlock the bootloader on a phone that was not meant to have it's bootloader unlocked, were pretty much gone. Dan, who found the exploit, had done a LOT of exploring that took a lot of time, trial and error, etc. It wasn't an easy exploit that just showed up all of a sudden. The same goes for getting root. It's not an easy thing to get. As each patch comes out for Android, more and more exploits are patched. it's just part of the business to make the OS more secure.
Going to KK, as explained in the previous posters comments, pretty much makes it possible only if pigs fly. KK is more secure than JB and as each iteration of Android comes to being, it means it becomes more and more secure, which means less exploits to find to gain root. This also means, unless they reintroduce a new exploit (highly unlikely), then don't hold your breath for an unlocked bootloader as well.

If you're more aware of the situation than I, why did you ask about it? I meant no disrespect, but it has been frustrating seeing many people come in and asking about the BL, almost a year after the OTA was released to lock it back up. If you think KK will offer you a path to unlocking, then I invite you to go through the Moto X and S5 forums and see how much trouble they're having even attaining root.

iBolski said:
It's just because this question gets asked over and over and over again. A little bit of searching will pretty much explain how this was an exploit, not an actual path to unlocking the bootloader. Once this was patched and fixed, the hopes of finding another exploit to unlock the bootloader on a phone that was not meant to have it's bootloader unlocked, were pretty much gone. Dan, who found the exploit, had done a LOT of exploring that took a lot of time, trial and error, etc. It wasn't an easy exploit that just showed up all of a sudden. The same goes for getting root. It's not an easy thing to get. As each patch comes out for Android, more and more exploits are patched. it's just part of the business to make the OS more secure.
Going to KK, as explained in the previous posters comments, pretty much makes it possible only if pigs fly. KK is more secure than JB and as each iteration of Android comes to being, it means it becomes more and more secure, which means less exploits to find to gain root. This also means, unless they reintroduce a new exploit (highly unlikely), then don't hold your breath for an unlocked bootloader as well.
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I don't see no pigs flying.

RikRong said:
It has been stated over and over again that the security hole was patched. 4.4 is even more secure. People need to stop asking about unlocking, it's getting old.
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See how asinine you were now?

brownrt said:
See how asinine you were now?
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just run and do it they were helping you to the best of there knowledge at the time

billycar11 said:
just run and do it they were helping you to the best of there knowledge at the time
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Feel free to explain to me what was helpful about their replies to the OP?

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Feel free to explain to me what was helpful about their replies to the OP?
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they were right at the time and now things have changed the community as a whole was just really annoyed about getting the same question so much so they were frustrated and i know users who missed out were even more frustrated with not being able to do what they want with there phones so don't take your frustration out on people who were trying to tell you the right answer at the time , take it out on your boot loader and unlock it yayayayay

brownrt said:
Feel free to explain to me what was helpful about their replies to the OP?
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Feel free to explain to me what was helpful about your posts?

brownrt said:
I don't see no pigs flying.
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See how asinine you were now?
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Past has shown that as old as these phones are, a new root exploit, when all others have been patched, never occurs.
What just happened was luck:
Someone was working on a root exploit not specific to this phone AND you got lucky that it worked for the RAZR HD/MAXX/M.
You got REAL lucky with Motorola basically screwing up and re-introducing the bootloader unlock exploit. This was patched with version 9.18 last year and has been unavailable since then. THIS was dumb luck, period. Well, dumb on the part of Motorola for somehow falling back to the old code that is located on a protected zone of the phone. This was the ONLY way it could have be re-introduced and this RARELY happens, so again, dumb luck.
However, there is another OTA coming (I was just emailed asking to participate in it yesterday). I'm pretty sure it will fix the Towelroot exploit (all 2013 phones running 4.4.2 as well as any 4.4.2 kernel whose date is >= 6/3/2014 disallow the Towelroot exploit) as well as the bootloader exploit.
So, now is your chance to root and unlock the bootloader and it's high time everyone takes advantage of this because we will get the same questions, over and over again when the next OTA comes out.
Our main point, as has been stated, was if people would just search and read, rather than being lazy and just asking the same question that has already been asked a hundred times before, they would find their answer a lot quicker and the rest of us who have been helping so many other people would not feel we would have to rehash the same answer again. It's like being in class, the teacher explains something, and then 10 other people raise their hand and ask the teacher about the exact thing the teacher just went over, so now the teacher has to stop class, explain it again, and then 10 more kids raise their hands and ask the same, exact question. It pollutes the forums with the same questions and then the same answers.
We weren't being mean about saying no root, but what just happened was pure luck, especially with the bootloader unlock.
BTW, I think I did see a pig fly in Minecraft yesterday, so I guess they did fly which makes sense. :laugh:
In the end, we are all very happy for those that have locked bootloaders because now, they can root and then unlock this phone. But, they need to do it NOW before the next OTA comes out. And I can guarantee you that those who fail to do it will be back on here asking the same question over and over again. So, let's spread the word and beg and plead that these people root their phones now and unlock the bootloader so that when the next OTA comes out in the next couple of weeks, they won't have to worry about another root exploit, if at all.
Again, those with locked bootloaders got real lucky.
As far as warranty goes, who cares. The phone is old (18+ months) and most people who have turned in their locked phones for warranty have gotten their replacement without having to pay anything, so the company will accept them and they don't charge for it. Besides, would you rather have an unlocked phone knowing you can have root no matter what the next OTA does or do you want to wait and have to do an exploit? Sideloading is SO much easier and just requires a reboot into a custom recovery (like TWRP) and then you do an "adb sideload" and you reboot and your done. Pretty easy, no muss, no fuss.

billycar11 said:
they were right at the time and now things have changed the community as a whole was just really annoyed about getting the same question so much so they were frustrated and i know users who missed out were even more frustrated with not being able to do what they want with there phones so don't take your frustration out on people who were trying to tell you the right answer at the time , take it out on your boot loader and unlock it yayayayay
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Being annoyed by the question is not the same as the quest. In fact the question had not been asked before.

killrhythm09 said:
Feel free to explain to me what was helpful about your posts?
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It wasn't a post. It was a question. Questions are not meant to help anyone but the asker. Being that I was the asker and people that had no idea about actual development decided to answer, I am in fact the best person do judge whether or not they were helpful.

iBolski said:
Past has shown that as old as these phones are, a new root exploit, when all others have been patched, never occurs.
What just happened was luck:
Someone was working on a root exploit not specific to this phone AND you got lucky that it worked for the RAZR HD/MAXX/M.
You got REAL lucky with Motorola basically screwing up and re-introducing the bootloader unlock exploit. This was patched with version 9.18 last year and has been unavailable since then. THIS was dumb luck, period. Well, dumb on the part of Motorola for somehow falling back to the old code that is located on a protected zone of the phone. This was the ONLY way it could have be re-introduced and this RARELY happens, so again, dumb luck.
However, there is another OTA coming (I was just emailed asking to participate in it yesterday). I'm pretty sure it will fix the Towelroot exploit (all 2013 phones running 4.4.2 as well as any 4.4.2 kernel whose date is >= 6/3/2014 disallow the Towelroot exploit) as well as the bootloader exploit.
So, now is your chance to root and unlock the bootloader and it's high time everyone takes advantage of this because we will get the same questions, over and over again when the next OTA comes out.
Our main point, as has been stated, was if people would just search and read, rather than being lazy and just asking the same question that has already been asked a hundred times before, they would find their answer a lot quicker and the rest of us who have been helping so many other people would not feel we would have to rehash the same answer again. It's like being in class, the teacher explains something, and then 10 other people raise their hand and ask the teacher about the exact thing the teacher just went over, so now the teacher has to stop class, explain it again, and then 10 more kids raise their hands and ask the same, exact question. It pollutes the forums with the same questions and then the same answers.
We weren't being mean about saying no root, but what just happened was pure luck, especially with the bootloader unlock.
BTW, I think I did see a pig fly in Minecraft yesterday, so I guess they did fly which makes sense. :laugh:
In the end, we are all very happy for those that have locked bootloaders because now, they can root and then unlock this phone. But, they need to do it NOW before the next OTA comes out. And I can guarantee you that those who fail to do it will be back on here asking the same question over and over again. So, let's spread the word and beg and plead that these people root their phones now and unlock the bootloader so that when the next OTA comes out in the next couple of weeks, they won't have to worry about another root exploit, if at all.
Again, those with locked bootloaders got real lucky.
As far as warranty goes, who cares. The phone is old (18+ months) and most people who have turned in their locked phones for warranty have gotten their replacement without having to pay anything, so the company will accept them and they don't charge for it. Besides, would you rather have an unlocked phone knowing you can have root no matter what the next OTA does or do you want to wait and have to do an exploit? Sideloading is SO much easier and just requires a reboot into a custom recovery (like TWRP) and then you do an "adb sideload" and you reboot and your done. Pretty easy, no muss, no fuss.
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First off, my phone was an insurance replacement, not a **** up "oops I accidentally updated"
But I have to ask you, when you decided to answer originally, did you actual contemplate the question? Or did you assume that it was the same that had been asked before? I assure you that if you had thought about it, you would have considered the plausibility of an answer other than no. (yes and maybe being the alternatives). The post didn't ask you how to do it. And also, EXACTLY what would the OP search for to find an answer. KitKat was still in Soak Test at the time of the OP, but the all knowing non developers seemed to have the answer (this seems unacceptable). I think if the question had been pondered by the respondents they would have realized the question had not been asked before.
1. Historically, new root an boot loader exploits have been found AFTER an update has been released.
2. Historically there has not been a phone that jumped an entire cycle of updates to a new release. And that is hundreds of phones over many OSs over many iterations.
3. The idea that it was plausible should have been at the forefront of peoples minds, because the boot loader was required to be changed. There have been many posts about the nature of root being changed in kitkat. So the jump would absolutely open up risk to exploit.
4. Google wants devices to be open. Did no one think it was plausible that the exploit would be reintroduced after the hand off to Lenovo?
So I ask again, the present situation not withstanding, do you honestly think that anyone answered my question? A bunch of people tired of reading a similar question, giving the answer to a different question. As a member and contributor to the xda community for quite a while now, I've learned that it's important to actually answer the question that's actually asked and not assume the OP is not fully aware of the question they are asking. Especially if the qualify the question in the first place to differentiate it from the question he knows responders are going to assume the OP is asking. Cheers.
P.S. The idea that any of you were actually being "helpful" is cockypop.

brownrt said:
P.S. The idea that any of you were actually being "helpful" is cockypop.
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I apologize if it came off gruff, but we have been helpful before, it just gets aggravating when it appears as if someone didn't do their due diligence in doing actual research, especially if when we've answered the same question numerous times.
In the future, I'll work at being more helpful and if it's the same question that I've already answered, maybe instead of going off, I can just wait for someone else to answer, especially if I've already typed the same answer numerous times to other people.
In any case, whether you think it's poppycock or not, we are genuinely happy for everyone that has now had a second chance at unlocking the bootloader with this "mistake" from Motorola. I just hope everyone takes advantage of it.

^^^I won't apologize for appearing "gruff."
brownrt said:
See how asinine you were now?
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I don't feel asinine, in the least bit. What happened was pure, dumb luck (or someone at Moto "accidentally" putting the TZ back into the KK update). You all also got lucky when someone decided to try out Motopocalypse just for the hell of it. At the time, there was no "path" to the unlock and every experienced dev (I'm no dev) was under the notion this would never happen. Thanks for bringing this up, I always enjoy a good discussion. I was wrong, the devs were wrong, the experts were wrong.

ill just leave this here
im not getting involved in this bickering, ill just say this:
-it took Dan (a security expert by trade) a long time to find the BL unlock. so when he says "it will never happen again", i tend to belive him. therefore "the never going to happen" post by others.
-i highly doubt moto forgot on purpose to apply the known exploit patches, or let us have it back on purpose, so someone over there is probably fired right about now.
-had geohot not found a blanket root, something that is quite rare, there still would be no root as no one is actively trying.
so, however it may have not been worded in the best manner, the assumptions at the time of the op were accurate.
that will be all, as you were....

Ulterior options to Sunshine for rooting

Hello all,
There was asimilar thread to this (which was short lived because it turned into nothing but a few little d-bags fighting like little girls) in the M8 non-specific carrier forum for conversation and information regarding potential other projects in progress for rooting the VZW M8 that is running 4.4.4 considering there is absolutely no options as of now... I for one have already decided to leave Verizon for this very reason, and if t_mobile is floating the bill for early termination...awesome! However I'm still stuck with the phone,which i love,but have never had a phone i couldn't root after one day of googling. So i want to know if anyone else is privvy to any info that I am not, it looks as though susunshine will be at least another 3 months. It seems there is easy too many geniuses out there to have jcase being the only one that has enough knowledge to do this, don't get me wrong, he is brilliant and very generous with his work but crap! This is aa pretty popular phone and lots of folks using VZW even though they suck for this kind thing, some have no choice and go to who offers the best reception in there area. Please post your thoughts.....
P.s. - as mentioned iam going to be having this VZW branded M8 AND I HAD heard there was a law passed stating that the carriers had to unlock the phones if the customer requested?? Anyone know about this, if so what do ineed to do?

As far as I know there is no progress on unlocking/s-off'ing 4.4.4 except for sunshine. It currently only works on 4.4.3 and below but it has been alluded to that future updates may support 4.4.4. You'll just have to wait and see.
Regarding the unlocking law, that's a different kind of "unlock". You're asking about unlocking your bootloader to allow you access to deeper levels of the phone's memory. That law was about being able to "carrier unlock" a phone to take it to another carrier which uses he same or overlapping frequencies.

It's unfortunate, but as far I can tell no new root method is working, and it might be a while until one is, as basically all other methods have been completely "fixed".

No one would be willing to burn an exploit right now knowing l is so close. Doing so right now would allow them to patch before l drops. We don't want or need that.

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No one would be willing to burn an exploit right now knowing l is so close. Doing so right now would allow them to patch before l drops. We don't want or need that.
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That completely makes sense, with L coming so soon they would be wasting their time and effort, as they may have one now but they do not want to release it because it would more than likely still work on L when its out and it would probably be a good while before an update after L so by waiting they are just being using good business sense.
But then again another dev or team could beat them to a crack, that is the good thing about a free society there is competition and no one owns the market at least not for long. I say bring on the competition lol.

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That completely makes sense, with L coming so soon they would be wasting their time and effort, as they may have one now but they do not want to release it because it would more than likely still work on L when its out and it would probably be a good while before an update after L so by waiting they are just being using good business sense.
But then again another dev or team could beat them to a crack, that is the good thing about a free society there is competition and no one owns the market at least not for long. I say bring on the competition lol.
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Competition could lead to everyone who gets this phone with L being locked out if that's the case.

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Competition could lead to everyone who gets this phone with L being locked out if that's the case.
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I really doubt that because there are a lot of devs out there that all they want is the recognition for being the one to crack it and are not looking for financial gain.

M9guy said:
I really doubt that because there are a lot of devs out there that all they want is the recognition for being the one to crack it and are not looking for financial gain.
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Once an exploit is burned its burned. If it is burned before L and it gets patched in L it means L gets delayed and everyone else gets locked out. It's a matter of the few versus the many. The fact they are NOT burning the exploit now because of this should tell you it's not about $.

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Once an exploit is burned its burned. If it is burned before L and it gets patched in L it means L gets delayed and everyone else gets locked out. It's a matter of the few versus the many. The fact they are NOT burning the exploit now because of this should tell you it's not about $.
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That does NOT mean it has nothing to do with $ because it would not be smart to release it now because there would be no gain giving away the crack then they would not make much $ because yes L would most likely patch it. The most financial gain would be to wait till after L because the next update would be a lot farther away, giving more time to collect.

M9guy said:
That does NOT mean it has nothing to do with $ because it would not be smart to release it now because there would be no gain giving away the crack then they would not make much $ because yes L would most likely patch it. The most financial gain would be to wait till after L because the next update would be a lot farther away, giving more time to collect.
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Couple weeks of use versus couple months of use.

dottat said:
Couple weeks of use versus couple months of use.
This thread is no longer serving a purpose. You are upset after being locked out which I understand. Unless you come up with a method and exploit of your own I would suggest you cease this conversation as there won't be a happy ending.
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I"am already unlocked I only responded to the posts already made, and I did not make this thread. No Iam not upset at all you stated your opinion and I did mine and we dont need to agree. I"am more than happy to cease the conversation that you started. I was only replying to the comments you posted replying to mine. I think we can both agree and both agree to disagree, after all we dont have to agree.
Thank you for your opinion and have a good day.

M9guy said:
I"am already unlocked I only responded to the posts already made, and I did not make this thread. No Iam not upset at all you stated your opinion and I did mine and we dont need to agree. I"am more than happy to cease the conversation that you started. I was only replying to the comments you posted replying to mine. I think we can both agree and both agree to disagree, after all we dont have to agree.
Thank you for your opinion and have a good day.
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Agreed. Hopefully the wait for L isn't that long...and the issue becomes moot.

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Agreed. Hopefully the wait for L isn't that long...and the issue becomes moot.
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Sorry I apologize I forgot I did first reply to your post my bad. I respect everyone opinion and I"am not looking to get in to anything with anyone I think two people can have a difference of opinion and debate it without it being anything more.

M9guy said:
Sorry I apologize I forgot I did first reply to your post my bad. I respect everyone opinion and I"am not looking to get in to anything with anyone I think two people can have a difference of opinion and debate it without it being anything more.
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I appreciate that. Nothing personal here either man.

M9guy said:
Sorry I apologize I forgot I did first reply to your post my bad. I respect everyone opinion and I"am not looking to get in to anything with anyone I think two people can have a difference of opinion and debate it without it being anything more.
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Oh and for the record actually I have used your fixes on here quite a few times so I appreciate the things you put on here. I can respect someone and still debate with them and have a difference of opinion and as you can see if I make a mistake in something I do my best to correct it.

heck yes
There can always be a fruitful discussion without people agreeing, that is the way our forefathers did it, and as far as I know, they didn't kill one another, good thread.
Cheers

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