Right, I can't see an Issues list for this device yet so I'll start one:
1. A couple of times now, I've left my phone to charge overnight and woke up to an unresponsive device. Power button does nothing, screen is off and only way to get it device back up and running is to poke the soft-reset button OR remove and reinsert the battery.
2. Unresponsive buttons: every now and then the "right" button of the D-Pad does nothing, then suddenly it will start working again, same with the "Back" button though much more infrequent/noticable than the D-Pad issue I've experienced.
I did not expierence the first problem with the charging issue.
To close and app you can use the (arrow pointing left) key but sometimes i have to push it like 3 or 4 times before it respond.
Same with the touchscreen but i fixed that by increasing the touchpad sensitivity with a regedit.
My device has reset a few times while I been reading email or texts.
John
Guys. The whole phone besides the keyboard is touch sensitive. So the whole front keys and touchscreen. Increase sensitivity and it should work fine.
Kraize92 said:
Guys. The whole phone besides the keyboard is touch sensitive. So the whole front keys and touchscreen. Increase sensitivity and it should work fine.
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Erm, I'm sorry but that's not right is it. The D-Pad, Send, End, Home and Back buttons are actual buttons as opposed to touch sensitive.
The zoom wheel is obviously a "touch" area too. The issue I am descriping seems to suggest that the switches might be a bit flakey rather than anything else.
no he is right all the buttons are PRESSURE (he said touch) sensitive..when they unvieled the diamond the ceo of htc demonstrated that the keys are pressure sensitie and even the cameria button can SENSE when your finger is approaching to ready the zoom ..here is the youtube vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTd3SUPSJsMit
pazookie said:
no he is right all the buttons are PRESSURE (he said touch) sensitive..when they unvieled the diamond the ceo of htc demonstrated that the keys are pressure sensitie and even the cameria button can SENSE when your finger is approaching to ready the zoom ..here is the youtube vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTd3SUPSJsMit
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Sorry my bad. WM phones used to be called touch sensitve but in reality they're pressure sensitive. The only touch sensitive phones out currently are the iPhones and the Omni I would say.
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Erm, I'm sorry but that's not right is it. The D-Pad, Send, End, Home and Back buttons are actual buttons as opposed to touch sensitive.
The zoom wheel is obviously a "touch" area too. The issue I am descriping seems to suggest that the switches might be a bit flakey rather than anything else.
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If the were actual buttons they would be capable of being pushed in which it's not possible to do
Issues:
HTC task man doesnt work properly.
Poor reception
Too many startup apps/services put on by htc to provide touch interface (which i hate)
why on eart you use operaloder on phones stratup just to get 2-3 more seconds fast load time for opera.
i think htc just over done this touch crap.
could anoyone access setupfiles on rom so i can use plain wm6.1
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If the were actual buttons they would be capable of being pushed in which it's not possible to do
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Hang on, you clearly don't own either Touch Pro or a Diamond, the D-Pad, Call, End, Home and Back buttons CAN BE PUSHED IN. They are actual buttons.
Syphon Filter said:
Hang on, you clearly don't own either Touch Pro or a Diamond, the D-Pad, Call, End, Home and Back buttons CAN BE PUSHED IN. They are actual buttons.
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No. I'm sure of it. I have demoed both a touch pro and a diamond. I meant that they CANNOT be pushed in as you can on the kaiser. I know this for a fact and on every video you will see that it is mentioned as a pressure sensitive all around except for the keyboard. I'm sure of that. They are not real buttons. I guess you could push it in if it's just a piece of glass and paper underneath the actual pressure sensitive touchpad, but it wouldn't make it real buttons. I know what I'm talking about Unless HTC suddenly decided to make them real buttons which would kill their profits so I'm assuming that they wouldn't do that either. I demoed it about 2-3 weeks ago.
Syphon Filter said:
Right, I can't see an Issues list for this device yet so I'll start one:
1. A couple of times now, I've left my phone to charge overnight and woke up to an unresponsive device. Power button does nothing, screen is off and only way to get it device back up and running is to poke the soft-reset button OR remove and reinsert the battery.
2. Unresponsive buttons: every now and then the "right" button of the D-Pad does nothing, then suddenly it will start working again, same with the "Back" button though much more infrequent/noticable than the D-Pad issue I've experienced.
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1 - Not had that problem - hopefully that'll go after your next hard reset or ROM update - these damn things always have, and always will behave differently for different people, it seems!
2 - My Back button missed my press once or twice, but I think it's more of a hardware issue than a software issue though (or possibly user error!). I'll tell you now though, hitting the "Right" button on my Diamond was next to impossible. It was extremely stiff, and would eventually register as a press on the "Hang Up" button. Drove me absolutely mental! But I think I was the only Diamond user who had that problem, and my Raphael is fine.
having got one in my hand - they are tactile push bottons - i.e you push them until it clicks before an action happens.
ardsar said:
having got one in my hand - they are tactile push bottons - i.e you push them until it clicks before an action happens.
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Then I must be crazy. Since all I have to do is touch the button and a action happens. But my pressure threshold is very high.
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No. I'm sure of it. I have demoed both a touch pro and a diamond. I meant that they CANNOT be pushed in as you can on the kaiser. I know this for a fact and on every video you will see that it is mentioned as a pressure sensitive all around except for the keyboard. I'm sure of that. They are not real buttons. I guess you could push it in if it's just a piece of glass and paper underneath the actual pressure sensitive touchpad, but it wouldn't make it real buttons. I know what I'm talking about Unless HTC suddenly decided to make them real buttons which would kill their profits so I'm assuming that they wouldn't do that either. I demoed it about 2-3 weeks ago.
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I'm not going to get into an argument over this but the 9 buttons (Home, Back, Call, End, Up, Down, Left, Right and the centre of the D-Pad) on the face of the Diamond and the Touch Pro are buttons which have a tactile feedback, a press will not register until you "feel" the button pressed. The only thing in that area that is a "touch sensitive" thing is the zoom wheel.
Just because the area looks flush does not mean they are not buttons. There's a single piece of material that covers that area but I can assure you there are individual switches under there that provide a tactile feedback. You HAVE to feel that feedback for the button to do anything, simply touching it will have no effect unless you are using the zoom wheel functionality.
If you believe anything else you are wrong.
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Then I must be crazy. Since all I have to do is touch the button and a action happens. But my pressure threshold is very high.
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1. What do you mean "my pressure threshold is very high"? Are you talking about the registry settings?
2. I thought you didnt have a Touch Pro or Diamond?
I said I didn't own one. Doesn't mean I don't have one in hand right now I have family members and friends that work for HTC america and AT&T.
Yeah. Registry settings/Advance Config for diamond
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I said I didn't own one. Doesn't mean I don't have one in hand right now I have family members and friends that work for HTC america and AT&T.
Yeah. Registry settings/Advance Config for diamond
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Yes. Ok.
Anyway, so you're saying that device you have in your hand right now has no tactile feedback on the front face buttons?
If have insiders at HTC why did you ask for donations so you could get a Touch Pro in the other thread?
Syphon Filter said:
Yes. Ok.
Anyway, so you're saying that device you have in your hand right now has no tactile feedback on the front face buttons?
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EDIT: Okay. Maybe I'm mistaken. It's only the d-pad that's pressure sensitive. The buttons are tactile even though they feel as if they are pressure sensitive because I don't push into it like I did with the front face buttons on my kaiser.
ah, you've seen the light. The button DOES push in but the panel is one solid "sheet" that covers all the buttons.
The "wheel" is the only touch sensitive bit. The 5 navigation functions of the d-pad (up down left right select) are all tactile buttons that work off little switches.
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ah, you've seen the light. The button DOES push in but the panel is one solid "sheet" that covers all the buttons.
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Actually. I should show you the light I'm right.
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Click number 3 and read this caption: "Swipe your finger across the screen to scroll through contracts, zoom, and pan web pages, browse your music library, and more, or press the touch-sensitive buttons to navigate and control your phone."
So concluding to that original fact that I was indeed right
Why is it so hard to push the left and right keys? they should have made it just like the up and down keys.
I want to play frogger and you just cant do it lol
Is there anyway around this?
I agree. It is SOO HARD
is there any way to "hard mod" it by like dremaling holes in the faceplate and just attaching little button nubs to the sensor? anyone tried this? i would rather it worked than looked pretty....seriously htc, what the heck.
just find the point between the home icon and phone icon an press it over and over on each side it really is a "sweet spot" as described in another thread. Once you get it it will come naturally, at least for me it did
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just find the point between the home icon and phone icon an press it over and over on each side it really is a "sweet spot" as described in another thread. Once you get it it will come naturally, at least for me it did
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I've had my Fuze since launch and it is still hit and miss. The bad thing is gaming, when you really rely on the buttons... you don't have time to look down and get the thumb placement 100% right. This is the problem.
What I would LOVE to see happen is to completely get rid of the Today and Back buttons, since I never use them anyway. The Red End key works as a Today button and I'm accustomed to using the X close button to minimize/close my apps.
With the Today and Back buttons disabled it would be much easier to use Left/Right because then you wouldn't have to worry about ending up at the today screen.
OR an even better solution would be to simply re-assign the Today and Back keys as softkeys (which could then be reassigned in the game's button mapping) or remap the hard keys to Left/Right for easy use. Either way it would work pretty well.
For the time being... I wonder if you could place a small circular sticker on the "correct" placement... thus fooling the sensor that every time it is pressed it "see's" the sticker thinking it is your thumb and triggers left/right actions.
OR if that doesn't work... what about finding the correct placement location and installing some kind of "dimple". Like a small half-bubble-like sticker that will enable you to "feel" where the correct spot is. This way when your playing, you could at least find the dimple, and press... all without looking.
Just a few ideas. I haven't tried any of them, so if anything works let me know.
I was frustrated trying to see the hard buttons in the dark, so I bought a 10 pack of 1/4" diameter rubber O-rings at Home Depot (Danco #60, #96774, less than $3), and super-glued one to the right of each hard button, on the right edge. They are small enough that they do not extend beyond the top or bottom of the G-Tab.
Best way is to use super-glue with a brush applicator. Hold a ring with a tweezers, brush a TINY amount of super-glue on the bottom, carefully place and apply.
Photo is attached - works great for me in the dark.
Good Idea!
Good idea...but, the solution I have found is to use the Vegan rom and all of your buttons are in the the tool bar up top. I think that is the thing I love the most about that rom. I hate the fact that viewsonic didn't backlight their menu buttons
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or Use Button Saviour and disable the backbutton on the tablet with remapper.
I hate keep touching that back button on the tablet. YMMV.
I couldn't live without Button Savior It tucks all the buttons you need in a tab on the right side of the screen. The tab hides (OSx Dock style) when not in use, and rotates based on your orientation.
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I couldn't live without Button Savior It tucks all the buttons you need in a tab on the right side of the screen. The tab hides (OSx Dock style) when not in use, and rotates based on your orientation.
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+1 for Button Saviour,
That and I have VEGAn as my daily driver as it has "Home" "Menu" and "Back" keys on the Notification bar. GoJimi showed a preview of this feature and a few others with the CM/VEGAm merge on his website.
I patiently wait for that Beta.
ah chooooo! Someone needs to clean their screen
JK. Good Idea. But I use a program that pulls out a side menu with those options so I dont need the buttons.
Thanks
Scott
AWESOME IDEA!!!! i am going to hit home depot tomorrow on the way home! i am always hitting those damn buttons it seems... THANKS!
glow in the dark puffy paint
the solution i came up with was glow in the dark puffy paint. i placed a drop of it to the left of every soft key. i was quite surprised that the screen didnt wash out the light emitted from the paint. took a lil trial and error to get the proper placement of the piant. if you put it too close to the soft keys it desensitizes parts of the virtual keyboard. i also found that the white glow in the dark paint is better than the green.
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the solution i came up with was glow in the dark puffy paint. i placed a drop of it to the left of every soft key. i was quite surprised that the screen didnt wash out the light emitted from the paint. took a lil trial and error to get the proper placement of the piant. if you put it too close to the soft keys it desensitizes parts of the virtual keyboard. i also found that the white glow in the dark paint is better than the green.
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I like that idea. Sounds like you have to be a bit careful though. Still may have to try it.
palagai said:
or Use Button Saviour and disable the backbutton on the tablet with remapper.
I hate keep touching that back button on the tablet. YMMV.
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Just installed button mapper and button saviour. Its an awesome combo. I was hoping to just shut them off but I was able to re map them as a dpad. Now its even easier to select small, close together links while surfing the net or scroll through a PDF or ebook. Pretty cool.
Still wish there were back lights. Saw pics of a home mod using blue leds online but never saw any instructions.
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Still wish there were back lights. Saw pics of a home mod using blue leds online but never saw any instructions.
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This might be the thread, has lots of instructions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=899132
I did the same type of thing, but I used those black nail head covers you can get at the home improvement stores. I put superglue on the back side and stuck it to the side of the tablet next to each soft button. Then in the dark I can just feel and tap. I like the LED methods though better!
cruiser771 said:
This might be the thread, has lots of instructions
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=899132
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Yes... that's the mod (by ThaiGai)...
and here's what it looks like (with just 2 of the 4 LEDs hooked up)...
- michael
I noticed something is missing on my new 128Gig S6.
No lighting...or any other visible sign of the soft buttons for "back" and "task list".
They work........but I find it strange to have no visible means of even knowing they are there.
That section of the screen, either side of the center button is just solid black.
Is this normal with this device?
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I noticed something is missing on my new 128Gig S6.
No lighting...or any other visible sign of the soft buttons for "back" and "task list".
They work........but I find it strange to have no visible means of even knowing they are there.
That section of the screen, either side of the center button is just solid black.
Is this normal with this device?
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Sorry, ladies and gentlemen.
I just realized they stay unlit in power saving mode.
Hope my stupidity helps someone.
am I missing it or is there no option to keep the nav buttons always off. them jokers are bright!
I know right
guess imma have to do what i did with the an old htc phone and put red litho tape on the buttons. looks ugly a bright ass light shining when not needed is even uglier, lol.
Yeah setting is missing. I was looking for the setting when I got the phone as well.
I used an app called galaxy button lights. It has optio s to keep them of or change the time out
yeah, i just saw that in the other note thread, thanks!
No problem. Anything i can do to help.
That app or enable power save mode