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Why hasn't someone hacked the GPS to prevent or scrable the signal

I was wondering. With all the talk about spying. What hasn't someone made a program that will prevent the GPS from being activated remotely.

For non-rooted users, Android doesn't allow apps to turn on GPS without user intervention.

I'm sure GPS can be turned on at any time, without user permission. With that said there has to be something out there that will scramble or disable GPS.

JR_de said:
For non-rooted users, Android doesn't allow apps to turn on GPS without user intervention.
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im pretty sure that even rooted devices will popup root access yes/no answer window, so unless u can auto-answer-root-access-with-yes nothing can turn the GPS on.
even if its tunred on and gets lock-on the app would need a some kind of logging on time+gps coorinates or even a internet access to realtime upload the data.
im sure most of ppl would notice that.

Gjole86 said:
im pretty sure that even rooted devices will popup root access yes/no answer window, so unless u can auto-answer-root-access-with-yes nothing can turn the GPS on.
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Dialing 911 will cause the phone to turn on GPS. The provider can turn on GPS. I'm looking for a bulletproof way to prevent GPS from coming on.

Dont you want police to help you?

Isn't that what the tin foil hat is for?
O wait no that's the mans mind control.... my bad
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XXCoder said:
Dont you want police to help you?
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Other than getting my cat out of the tree, no.

blackadept said:
Isn't that what the tin foil hat is for?
O wait no that's the mans mind control.... my bad
Sent from my DROIDX
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To the ill educated...what ever they tell you, remember, 'it is for the children'.

How about the "Permissions Denied" application?
It has the ability to block a permission for a specific app or for the whole device. Probably has what you are looking for.
Permissions Denied
Stephen (Stericson)

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There are a number of apps on the market that will allow you to spoof your GPS location. Start here: https://market.android.com/search?q=spoof+gps&so=1&c=apps
That said, if an app requests your location from Android it will get the spoofed location but if an app uses your cell tower ID or Wifi SSID/MAC and does a lookup on its own, it can still locate you.

Evo-3D said:
To the ill educated...what ever they tell you, remember, 'it is for the children'.
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Win
That is all.
Sent from my DROIDX

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The cake is a lie
The cake is a lie

gthing said:
There are a number of apps on the market that will allow you to spoof your GPS location. Start here: https://market.android.com/search?q=spoof+gps&so=1&c=apps
That said, if an app requests your location from Android it will get the spoofed location but if an app uses your cell tower ID or Wifi SSID/MAC and does a lookup on its own, it can still locate you.
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Triangulation is fine by me. Due to the weather conditions here triangulation most of the time turns into biangulation, and even singulation. It is still a rudimentary form of pin pointing, hence the FCC requiring all cell phones to have GPS abilities.
As far as MAC, I again am fine with that. I do not use the phone via WiFi.

To everyone else:
Did anyone bother to actually read both HTC, Sprint, and Google's Privacy, Terms and Agreements?

Tty to get rid of running these things in my HTC…

i'm not having too many battery issues. I want to prolong the battery life, but all I find remain the same, you know…so, I’d rather to have a external battery, anyway.
This is my first android phone so i do not want to mess with it when its so new.
i can not seem to get rid of google talk running in the background unless i quit the process in running services. I have auto sign in unchecked and everything in the settings unchecked. I also end the program, but the service remains running in the background. anyway to really stop this service with out task killers? even after reboot the talk is still running.
Below are things that are running on my phone that I want to stop at first.
calender - obexservice and connectivity. these seem to restart on their own if i stop the service.
google - gtalk service - why, i don't use this at all
voicemail - cm_service - what is this for? do i need a service running for voicemail? i just have the basic voicemail setup, does this phone run a visual voicemail program that i missed.
HTC DM - HtcDmService - no idea what this is or what its for.
Sprint Zone - updateservice - what is this for, do i need it? can i get rid of it?
HTC IQ Agent - agent service - no clue what this is. can i get rid of it?
DMserviceapp - again no clue what this is. do i need it, can i get rid of it?
Touch Input- ok i think i get this one, but does the phone really need to run a service to save my touch settings?
And I find a way out at last. The only thing i need to stop is gtalk and sprint zone. the rest are things that make the device function. HTC iq agent is part of HTC Sense, as well as HTC DM. voicemail should be rather obvious...and calendar, anyway, I just let it run.
disable 4G, wifi and all that crap, and cut syncing off, i notice a huge difference in battery performance. with these settings, i could go 37.5hrs theoretically before needing to charge. i only need it to last for 17hrs personally. if i go out after work, then 19-20hrs tops, though still want a replacement battery...:silly:

knighthorus said:
disable 4G
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I am pretty sure this isn't the desire s, the saga doesn't have 4G bands. also stop using task killers, they are useless on Android. the Linux kernel is designed to fill up the ram. you may wanna either delete those apps using root permissions or greenify those apps.
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[Q] Wifi CONSTANTLY turning on by itself

My wifi keeps turning on by itself.
Does anyone else have this issue? I am on the stock rooted ROM. I wonder if I installed something that does this. It's driving me crazy!!!
Arrrgghh.

ZenInsight said:
My wifi keeps turning on by itself.
Does anyone else have this issue? I am on the stock rooted ROM. I wonder if I installed something that does this. It's driving me crazy!!!
Arrrgghh.
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You rang? lol.
Yes, I did at first when on stock. There's a setting, it is escaping me exactly where it is - but I believe it's in the 'advanced' wifi settings. Let me see if I can find the thread real quick.
This is a "feature" - basically the concept is, the phone tells you when you are near AP's to save $$$ on your cell data plan. Stupid.
Edit - there's also battery saving apps that could be doing this... just FYI, reading other forums they seem to indicate that rogue apps could be doing this - one user in particular mentioned some app called Snapdragon BatteryGuru...

arrrghhh said:
You rang? lol.
Yes, I did at first when on stock. There's a setting, it is escaping me exactly where it is - but I believe it's in the 'advanced' wifi settings. Let me see if I can find the thread real quick.
This is a "feature" - basically the concept is, the phone tells you when you are near AP's to save $$$ on your cell data plan. Stupid.
Edit - there's also battery saving apps that could be doing this... just FYI, reading other forums they seem to indicate that rogue apps could be doing this - one user in particular mentioned some app called Snapdragon BatteryGuru...
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I wonder if "Keep wifi on during sleep" was causing the issue.
Also, I do have that snapdragon app...but it hasn't gone through the 3 days of "learning" to actually be functional. If it doesn't stop happening from changing the setting on Keep wifi on during sleep to NEVER...then I for sure will uninstall the snapdragon app and see if that helps. The snapdragon app seems to only do what Greenify is already doing anyway. Hibernate apps.
Thanks for replying man! You are a great dev.

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I wonder if "Keep wifi on during sleep" was causing the issue.
Also, I do have that snapdragon app...but it hasn't gone through the 3 days of "learning" to actually be functional. If it doesn't stop happening from changing the setting on Keep wifi on during sleep to NEVER...then I for sure will uninstall the snapdragon app and see if that helps. The snapdragon app seems to only do what Greenify is already doing anyway. Hibernate apps.
Thanks for replying man! You are a great dev.
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I'm just learning, but getting better at it for sure .
As for the issue at hand, I don't think that keep wifi on setting is the one I am thinking of...
Unfortunately I don't have a device to look at right now to tell you the exact setting, and I am having trouble finding the thread where this was discussed (I thought there was one at least)...
However, did you check the settings on that Snapdragon app? Make sure there's nothing configured there to enable wifi. Also, I'm not real familiar with all these battery saving apps - I would use caution, they might be like antivirus software on Windows - don't run more than one at a time, or else they will just butt heads.

[Q] Optimal settings battery vs Lost Phone functionality

I try to tweak the phone to save as much battery as it can, but I still want to be able to use the Lost Phone functionality. What settings do you suggest?
For now I'm using these settings:
- Allow WIFI to sleep when in sleepmode
- Allow WIFI to scan even if WIFI is turned off
- No GPS
- Location is on battery save mode
- Don't allow mobile data connection when screen is of (using Llama)
Now im using the default Google find my phone website. For the theftie I installed Lockwatch (it will take a pic after a few tries of entering the wrong code). But you need a data connection / wifi for the app to sent the mail? So how to circumvent this if wifi and data is off after the phone goes to sleep??

I don't have Lockwatch. But it looks like a really nice simple app. From what I can read in the product description it implies that Lockwatch turns on the required features by itself GPS, WiFi, etc. Have you tried "stealing" your own phone with your power saving settings activated? The other thing not mentioned in the product description is does the app continue to send periodic emails to update the phones location after it has been stolen and is moving? Maybe you know? I am using Lookout which can be interrogated at any time to located the phone. But it is not a lightweight app, which makes Lockwatch all the more interesting. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I can't answer your question, but maybe someone else can, plus my question!

I monitored the battery life of my Moto G LTE for a while and I can say that in standby doesn't drain battery, even if gps and mobile networks are active (I tried using Runtastic while riding racing bike for about 15km: 1h of gps and mobile network consumed about 10-15%).
Remember that, even if you turn on location, doesn't mean that phone searches costantly gps signal, it searches for it only when apps request for it.

grahamgo said:
I don't have Lockwatch. But it looks like a really nice simple app. From what I can read in the product description it implies that Lockwatch turns on the required features by itself GPS, WiFi, etc. Have you tried "stealing" your own phone with your power saving settings activated? The other thing not mentioned in the product description is does the app continue to send periodic emails to update the phones location after it has been stolen and is moving? Maybe you know? I am using Lookout which can be interrogated at any time to located the phone. But it is not a lightweight app, which makes Lockwatch all the more interesting. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I can't answer your question, but maybe someone else can, plus my question!
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You're welcome. I try to test it a few times. I'm still not sure when the mailing and gps kicks in. I do receive a mail when fake stealing my phone So it works good from time to time.
There is an premium feature that will try to sent again when there is data connection again.
If you want even more lightweight, im now using Avira with Lockwatch. If you like your phone to take pics for app locking, you can try Smart App Lock. And if you dislike Chrome, use CM Browser

justanicename said:
You're welcome. I try to test it a few times. I'm still not sure when the mailing and gps kicks in. I do receive a mail when fake stealing my phone So it works good from time to time.
There is an premium feature that will try to sent again when there is data connection again.
If you want even more lightweight, im now using Avira with Lockwatch. If you like your phone to take pics for app locking, you can try Smart App Lock. And if you dislike Chrome, use CM Browser
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The "time to time" bit sounds worrisome! I'm on this group because I gave my wife a Moto G. She just wants a working phone, so now that it's pretty much setup right and she can "drive" it proficiently I tend not to mess with it (read - I am not allowed!) . We live in Peru 6 months a year and we both like the fact that I can ping her phone using Lookout if necessary to see that's she's safe. However, they removed the photo taking feature from the free version, and the paid version is now about $30 p/a. Quite reasonable, but this has prompted me to see what else is out there before giving them my money. I have read good things about Avira ($10 for Pro version), so your recommendation might be perfect. I have also just looked at avast! Anti-Theft (pro version $15 p/a), this also seems very comprehensive, I am not too worried about antivirus protection as she only uses the basic's. Anyway I'm still looking around to look at all possible options. Thanks!
Oh, and sorry I don't mean to pull your thread off track. But you do want a location app that overrides your battery saving setup when needed. So the more possible options open to you the better right? On our Moto G, the WiFi/3g data is always on. We get a 2 to 3 day typical battery life.

grahamgo said:
The "time to time" bit sounds worrisome! I'm on this group because I gave my wife a Moto G. She just wants a working phone, so now that it's pretty much setup right and she can "drive" it proficiently I tend not to mess with it (read - I am not allowed!) . We live in Peru 6 months a year and we both like the fact that I can ping her phone using Lookout if necessary to see that's she's safe. However, they removed the photo taking feature from the free version, and the paid version is now about $30 p/a. Quite reasonable, but this has prompted me to see what else is out there before giving them my money. I have read good things about Avira ($10 for Pro version), so your recommendation might be perfect. I have also just looked at avast! Anti-Theft (pro version $15 p/a), this also seems very comprehensive, I am not too worried about antivirus protection as she only uses the basic's. Anyway I'm still looking around to look at all possible options. Thanks!
Oh, and sorry I don't mean to pull your thread off track. But you do want a location app that overrides your battery saving setup when needed. So the more possible options open to you the better right? On our Moto G, the WiFi/3g data is always on. We get a 2 to 3 day typical battery life.
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It's ok, maybe some good anti-theft app can do this overriding the battery saving setup thingy. Im now trying "Android Lost", "AntiTheft & Find My Phone" and "Theftie" (all free of course) . Since we are just both users, maybe we can help each other here on XDA.

Sure, I for one would like to know which app you consider to be the best. Also the reasoning behind the decision.
I hope that you you find one that can override your power saving settings. I would hope that they all can...

grahamgo said:
Sure, I for one would like to know which app you consider to be the best. Also the reasoning behind the decision.
I hope that you you find one that can override your power saving settings. I would hope that they all can...
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After a few tests, i think Theftie and Lockwatch are the best. But I still need wifi or a data connection. And as a backup i keep Android Lost. So in the end i cannot save battery if i want to use the anti-theft functionalities.
Let me know if you what you decided.

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After a few tests, i think Theftie and Lockwatch are the best. But I still need wifi or a data connection. And as a backup i keep Android Lost. So in the end i cannot save battery if i want to use the anti-theft functionalities.
Let me know if you what you decided.
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Have you tried cerberus? It's one of the most complete out there at a reasonable price

I have to say Cerberus is very complete, I think this is the first app I have seen that specifies in its description that GPS is turned on even if its turned off. Edit:- not quite, only on systems earlier than 2.3.3 on later version you have to jump through hoops and convert Cerebus to a system app. Then In the case @justanicename the phone still needs to get access to a WiFi of GSM internet connection. I presume the only chance is that if the phone is stolen the thief will try to use the phone and the GSM data connection will become active when the screen comes on?

I did some further research on the battery saving settings and found a discussion sayin that actually turning on/of the wifi/dataconnection/gps is draining the battery more. So I will try this for a while. Cerberus looks really nice, it seems that Theftie does a lot of what cerberus does too.

Hi, I tried Cerberus yesterday. It does everything as advertised. The memory footprint is 4.4mb, compared with Lookout's 19mb, though Lookout does provide antivirus protection. I started to try Theftie today, but was putoff by the requirement to sign in using Google+ a service that I don't like and don't use. So I removed Theftie. I will go with Cerberus costing the one time 3 Euro. Thanks @agusaon for the pointer.

grahamgo said:
Hi, I tried Cerberus yesterday. It does everything as advertised. The memory footprint is 4.4mb, compared with Lookout's 19mb, though Lookout does provide antivirus protection. I started to try Theftie today, but was putoff by the requirement to sign in using Google+ a service that I don't like and don't use. So I removed Theftie. I will go with Cerberus costing the one time 3 Euro. Thanks @agusaon for the pointer.
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Great app! I hope you enjoy it and never have to use it

Samsung Galaxy S7 "security issue" I found

Hello guys! I wasn't really sure if I should ask you about that but I think I really need help on that. I am an Android geek (but I am only beginning to learn app development so my professional knowledge may not be good enough). I talked about this issue with several people: some say it's not an issue and I shouldn't have brought it up, others say it's a problem. Someone from Samsung contacted me a told me that this issue shouldn't exist and that it has been caused by some app I installed (and this app has some administrator permissions).
I have no idea.
Anyway, this "issue" is that when my S7 is locked I can still unfold the quick notifications menu (by swiping from the top to the bottom of the screen) and turn off/on the Internet. Should I be able to do that? What if someone steals my phone?
I described the whole thing in more detail here: https://mobileguru.lol/security-flaw-in-samsung-galaxy-s7/
I guess there are many (or only ) highly tech people who may finally give me a satisfactory answer.
Thanks in advance!
Olga

My S7 does the same.
It seems your concern is that mobile data can be turned on without unlocking. The examples you give on the linked site didn't convince me of a serious security issue though:
1) A thief can turn off mobile data in order not to be tracked. True, but he can achieve the same effect by turning the phone off anyway.
2) Google Now gives traffic info after turning on mobile data. This indicates you're showing notifications on the lock screen. You can turn this off. I did.
It's a surprising finding however, at least for me. I never tried to sweep down on the lock screen before. Thanks for sharing.

I think a patch is required.same happens to me.
it reminds me of some iphone issues like this before.
even flightmode can be enabled disabled

Remove your shortcut for internet mobile and...voila! No need for a patch!

SoRiNuS said:
Remove your shortcut for internet mobile and...voila! No need for a patch!
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Yes you have right but it creates some inconvenience if you want to unlock and then apply a shortcut very quick

I think we just look for thinks that are not important.

SoRiNuS said:
I think we just look for thinks that are not important.
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Samsung with the knox stuff about security blablabla .
It is maybe not important for us normal users but maybe someone finds it like a loophole(dont get me wrong i am a knox hater myself lol.)
if samsung cares about security should fix it.
i am sure that no app created this issue like samsung guy said. I reenabled all my package disabler pro disabled apps and it happens again.

Thanks for answers! Well,I thought about moving the shortcut into a different place but it doesn't help - I can still access all of the shortcuts. The funniest thing is that I cannot turn off/on location with the locked phone but I can turn on/off mobile data.
I know that a thief can simply turn the phone off (or its battery may day) and it will be impossible to localize it but the possibility of turning on/off mobile data decreases the chances of finding a stolen/lost phone. Of course if a professional thief steals a phone, we probably won't have it back but if an amateur does it, we may have a little more chance of finding it. That's my whole point here.
But if the phone is turned on in the emergency mode and it's locked this quick settings menu cannot be brought down!

Look into installing Cerberus
there are options to block the power button (so a thief cannot turn the phone off) and to block the notification pull down(so a thief cannot access the quick options from the lockscreen)
Also if a thief pops out your sim and installs a different sim - you can set to get text alerts with the new info from that sim(phone, sim card #)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lsdroid.cerberus&hl=en

HERE IS A FIX!!!!!
Install "Good Lock" From the Galaxy store...
It fixes these security flaws.
Hopefully this gif from my s7 works as an example (sorry in advanced)
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this is 100% a flaw, I have said this before about the pull down and was told that, thats just how it is.
mostly everything when u click it will ask for a password but not the data lol that is just to funny

Studio1b said:
this is 100% a flaw, I have said this before about the pull down and was told that, thats just how it is.
mostly everything when u click it will ask for a password but not the data lol that is just to funny
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Even if there was an option to disable the pull down on the lock screen, I was sure there was an option in the past. Can't remember when/where I seen it, as I know it's always been an option in cyanogen mod.
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the flaw is not that you can pull down the flaw is you can enable and disable the data.
wifi it will ask for a password
anything else will ask for a password
so like said before if some one was to steal your phone they could swipe down on the lock screen and then disable the data
any toggle on the lock screen should always ask for password

Studio1b said:
the flaw is not that you can pull down the flaw is you can enable and disable the data.
wifi it will ask for a password
anything else will ask for a password
so like said before if some one was to steal your phone they could swipe down on the lock screen and then disable the data
any toggle on the lock screen should always ask for password
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Well the flaw is that you can actually turn the phone off when the screen is locked.

I agree with the OP. This was just not thought out real well. There is no way you should be able to do anything with a locked phone, not even turn it off. There are plenty of issues and it will only get worse with Nougat. I hope they never push it onto our S7....
And it gets better with the latest update where they give you Samsung Cloud whether you ask for it or not and back up all your apps (including your passwords!) whether you ask for it or not. Snowden's worst nightmare...

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I agree with the OP. This was just not thought out real well. There is no way you should be able to do anything with a locked phone, not even turn it off. There are plenty of issues and it will only get worse with Nougat. I hope they never push it onto our S7....
And it gets better with the latest update where they give you Samsung Cloud whether you ask for it or not and back up all your apps (including your passwords!) whether you ask for it or not. Snowden's worst nightmare...
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Install goodlock from the galaxy store.

Artificial_ said:
HERE IS A FIX!!!!!
Install "Good Lock" From the Galaxy store...
It fixes these security flaws.
Hopefully this gif from my s7 works as an example (sorry in advanced)
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Dude, even good lock isn't fixing this problem. I tried and tried even that microsoft lockscreen but none of them are working the right way.
I made a reddit post bout this and some users can only change the Sound/Flash and rotate toggle and get asked for a unlock of the screenlock when changing any connection setting but on mine S7 with the september security patch doesn't do that. It asks for a unlock when i want to toggle wifi or bluetooth etc but not for airplane mode and mobile data so this is a security problem indeed.
But maybe you can tell me which firmware you are running? im on a 930F and tried the latest german and dutch firmware and now i have the G930FXXU1BPHJ software but still not fixing it.
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Remove your shortcut for internet mobile and...voila! No need for a patch!
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And how do you do that? Because then you press the arrow looking icon it will show all your toggles so even then you can disable mobile data.

Just been thinking, isn't it pointless even if you get this fixed so mobile data can not be disabled?
All they need to do is remove the SIM card and mobile data is disabled anyway

RiTCHiE007 said:
Dude, even good lock isn't fixing this problem.
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I can't enable anything besides volume and rotation lock with good lock installed, adjusting airplane mode, bluetooth and data/wifi takes me straight to a passcode lock.
I'm running on G930FXXU1BPHE, but even on previous builds with goodlock, and on my s6, I can do everything besides turn off any communication toggles..
- besides that turning the device off doesn't bother me, because all manufacturers put force reboot on their products.
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*Detection* said:
Just been thinking, isn't it pointless even if you get this fixed so mobile data can not be disabled?
All they need to do is remove the SIM card and mobile data is disabled anyway
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People are so cautious when it comes to this.
I never understood why, if you can turn off your phone at the lockscreen, you're screwed.
I personally use remote commands and message on simchange, i'ved used roms that stop the device being turned off and instead email a photo as well as a latt long location.
All in all it just gives you a slim chance of hope to get your device back.
I'm pretty careless with my phone, and it has been lost and stolen numberous amounts of times, just an example, is at the gym out of my bag.
Now, i maybe ranting on because of my 4th cup of coffee, but Having someones face provides some great hope - with that said, it only takes 2 seconds for someone with a little common sense of phones to completely wipe your device in minutes without a trace.
But.. the chances of coming past someone with that knowledge is sadly... surprisingly rare.

Artificial_ said:
I can't enable anything besides volume and rotation lock with good lock installed, adjusting airplane mode, bluetooth and data/wifi takes me straight to a passcode lock.
I'm running on G930FXXU1BPHE, but even on previous builds with goodlock, and on my s6, I can do everything besides turn off any communication toggles..
- besides that turning the device off doesn't bother me, because all manufacturers put force reboot on their products.
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People are so cautious when it comes to this.
I never understood why, if you can turn off your phone at the lockscreen, you're screwed.
I personally use remote commands and message on simchange, i'ved used roms that stop the device being turned off and instead email a photo as well as a latt long location.
All in all it just gives you a slim chance of hope to get your device back.
I'm pretty careless with my phone, and it has been lost and stolen numberous amounts of times, just an example, is at the gym out of my bag.
Now, i maybe ranting on because of my 4th cup of coffee, but Having someones face provides some great hope - with that said, it only takes 2 seconds for someone with a little common sense of phones to completely wipe your device in minutes without a trace.
But.. the chances of coming past someone with that knowledge is sadly... surprisingly rare.
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Thanks for the reply dude! May i ask if you on reddit also? Because i posted this problem also and got some response back from a few people.
And some have this problem while others dont so i where asking which firmware they had and someone, who said they didn't have this problem linked me to the same one that you are having.
So guess that the optus firmware doesn't have this problem while my dutch firmware still have this problem while beeing on a newer firmware so thats what i find weird.
So optus with PDA G930FXXU1BPHG CSC G930FOPS1BPHE seems to be secured the right way and my dutch with PDA G930FXXU1BPHJ CSC G930FPHN1BPH3 has it not.
You think this could be related to the CSC? or just the firmware?