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Is Touch Flo3D silly junk?

I disabled touch flo 3d right away because it seems like pointless eye candy. It seems like a sloppy rough integration that is a greater impedance than an assistant. Or is it just me

Have you modified it with the tweaks to enhance the performance? All it is is really just another shell, your preference there.

its the first thing i disabled. in my opinion its pretty darn ugly...except for the weather thing, its kind of cute. but i like having all my stuff on the home screen where i can see it all at once

As you can see, you are clearly outvoted. They had the same poll over at ppcgeeks (How many are still using TouchFlo3D) and of the 320 people who participated,80% were still using it.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=482651
TF3D brings an essential level of style to Windows Mobile.
Surur

Style, schmile!
If I wanted style I'd have the Jesus phone that Apple makes - with one of the great cases from Vaja.
Instead, I want to look at my screen and gain information. On my day, on the stock market, on the weather and on the number of messages I am currently blowing off.
I too liked the weather bit. I also appreciated that TF3D goes a good job at memory management. Maybe when I get the time to learn how to customize it, I'll return to TF3D.
For now, though it is back to WinMob running Pocket Breeze in full screen mode with panels for pA and Pocket Weather.

I really like it. It gives me access to what I need to see when I glance at the screen (except tasks) and finger-touch access to programs.
It does screw up maybe once a day though requiring a soft reset. I applied the mods recommended and they made my TP freeze a lot so I changed them back to default.

It's actually a great enhancement to WM. almost everything that needs to be readily accessible is "touchable" no need to get irritated and use the tip of my nail to make sure I press it just right. Even the corner X close button works almost flawlessly because the screen touch area is now flush.
I know there has been some whining but this really is the best match, easy touch interface for the simple phone stuff, and the ability to use a keyboard and a stylus for things that just aren't feasable to use efficiently with a finger on a touch screen.
I'm a very happy camper with the Fuze... well except for that ****ing GPS crap.
I'd also like to add that I think most of us really created and adapted ways to be able to not use the touchscreen for a lot of things, and with good reason considering how much I hate using a stylus to navigate a UI. So I think a ton of us bring a certain baggage about using our fingers because it just really did always suck that bad. Which thanks to HTC it really doesn't now. Plus this screen may not be like the capacitive Iphone but man it's definitely a lot smoother, the word "silky" comes to mind with how it feels compared to my Tytn.

I'm not sure which one of the 2 voting options is meant to be good

Some people are just afraid of change. As there still millions of windows 98 users out there. LMAO, people need to move with the times

Touchflo3d is indeed the most beautiful interface I've ever seen. It remained for about one month on my mobile phone. After that I still installed pocket plus (the program who puts icons dirrectly on screen and used only one tab in which I put all my programs).
Reason 1: functionality. It takes several moves in TF3D to do simple tasks. For example if I am in the home screen I cannot start with a single click an app. I have to scroll (and be quite carrefull to go in the desired position) and after that start a program etc. Imagine if in Windows you would be forced to use start, programs every time if you wanted to use an program...it'll kill you. That's why we activate programs by clicking the icon on the screen after all...it's the fastest way. All in all, to be clear, if it would be a contest between a TF3D and a Pocket Plus-type of program, everytime the pocket plus device will "click" the application faster, while in TF3D depends on where TAB are you..
Reason 2: familiarity with Windows way of activating programs. As I said before it's more simple for me to simply activate the icon on screen and not bother with some paradigm of displaying emails or SMS (and related to that, do you want to be able that someone can take a look at your info by simply scrolling to that tab? I don't)
Reason 3 -not quite a reason, but a proof that this a better interface in my opinion: the simple-icon-on-display type of interface is actually validated by the Iphone which we all know as a beautiful device at least.

I like Touchflo3d, but I missed my usual today screen setup.
The easy answer is to use secondtoday, that way I get the best of both worlds, one tap on the screen switches between them.

Gigs said:
Touchflo3d is indeed the most beautiful interface I've ever seen. It remained for about one month on my mobile phone. After that I still installed pocket plus (the program who puts icons dirrectly on screen and used only one tab in which I put all my programs).
Reason 1: functionality. It takes several moves in TF3D to do simple tasks. For example if I am in the home screen I cannot start with a single click an app. I have to scroll (and be quite carrefull to go in the desired position) and after that start a program etc. Imagine if in Windows you would be forced to use start, programs every time if you wanted to use an program...it'll kill you. That's why we activate programs by clicking the icon on the screen after all...it's the fastest way. All in all, to be clear, if it would be a contest between a TF3D and a Pocket Plus-type of program, everytime the pocket plus device will "click" the application faster, while in TF3D depends on where TAB are you..
Reason 2: familiarity with Windows way of activating programs. As I said before it's more simple for me to simply activate the icon on screen and not bother with some paradigm of displaying emails or SMS (and related to that, do you want to be able that someone can take a look at your info by simply scrolling to that tab? I don't)
Reason 3 -not quite a reason, but a proof that this a better interface in my opinion: the simple-icon-on-display type of interface is actually validated by the Iphone which we all know as a beautiful device at least.
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Pocket Plus sound like exactly what I need!
nuke1 said:
I'm not sure which one of the 2 voting options is meant to be good
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Bunk = bad and handy gooey is handy GUI or handy Graphical User Interface
migsims said:
It's actually a great enhancement to WM. almost everything that needs to be readily accessible is "touchable" no need to get irritated and use the tip of my nail to make sure I press it just right. Even the corner X close button works almost flawlessly because the screen touch area is now flush.
I know there has been some whining but this really is the best match, easy touch interface for the simple phone stuff, and the ability to use a keyboard and a stylus for things that just aren't feasable to use efficiently with a finger on a touch screen.
I'm a very happy camper with the Fuze... well except for that ****ing GPS crap.
I'd also like to add that I think most of us really created and adapted ways to be able to not use the touchscreen for a lot of things, and with good reason considering how much I hate using a stylus to navigate a UI. So I think a ton of us bring a certain baggage about using our fingers because it just really did always suck that bad. Which thanks to HTC it really doesn't now. Plus this screen may not be like the capacitive Iphone but man it's definitely a lot smoother, the word "silky" comes to mind with how it feels compared to my Tytn.
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maybe thats why I'm having so much trouble with the touch screen. I tap something,,,, wait 5 seconds,,, tap again,,,, wait 6 seconds then give up and get out the stylus. Maybe I should re-enable touchflo to stop this problem
surur said:
As you can see, you are clearly outvoted. They had the same poll over at ppcgeeks (How many are still using TouchFlo3D) and of the 320 people who participated,80% were still using it.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=482651
TF3D brings an essential level of style to Windows Mobile.
Surur
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Thats interesting. Thanks for the link. Maybe I should give touchflo 3D a another shot.
chetmichaels said:
its the first thing i disabled. in my opinion its pretty darn ugly...except for the weather thing, its kind of cute. but i like having all my stuff on the home screen where i can see it all at once
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Me too. Thats why I copied and pasted the links that are in folders within the program folder back up to the program folder. I like having everything in 1 spot. I wish it was alphabetized though.
kareem9nba said:
Have you modified it with the tweaks to enhance the performance? All it is is really just another shell, your preference there.
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Performance wasn't really the issue for me. It just seemed like pointless eye candy.

James, you'll really find SPB Pocket Plus really nice. The thing with it is to remove all the tabs, as they really only generate useless clicks to navigate where your program is, and in final squeeze in one tab only the icons you need. I have 3x5 icons(with no text and large size enabled) and if I really think some of them I don't really need - like powerpoint and so on.To give an exameple this is what I consider usefull:Comunication Manager, Resco Explorer, HTC Album, Igo, Camera, Excel, Word, Coreplayer, sms, activesync,radio, opera, 1-calc (a very nice calculator) and notes. And supplimentary I have enabled the calendar and date plugins in today screen. This is a very nice setup - eficient - and if you set a non transparent background, very nice, kinda stylish look. Now, I have seen that you complained about precision of tapping - beware that in the margins and corners of display you'll have sometimes to get out the stylus. Give that pocket plus a try.It really made my days.

kareem9nba said:
Have you modified it with the tweaks to enhance the performance? All it is is really just another shell, your preference there.
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Care to share those kareem?

jamespaulritter said:
I disabled touch flo 3d right away because it seems like pointless eye candy. It seems like a sloppy rough integration that is a greater impedance than an assistant. Or is it just me
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Definitely NOT at all. We must be on different spectrum of the universe. I like TF3D a great deal, make navigating the phone intuitive and seamless. It is just you.
Without TF3D, my Sprint TP would just be any other run of the mill Win Mobile big screen phone. My 39 cents.

TF3D is totally kickass! I love it for everything. Althought I do wish they had the map intergration that they have in TF2D. I also want the stocks tab and am waiting for the hd manilla to be perfected . Other than that, the original htc theme, with q-style font, my personalized background, tweaks from diamond config, and stock fuze rom, it runs pretty darm fast. Only did a soft reset once and that waas because I was attempting to run a qvga application and it crashed.

Gigs said:
James, you'll really find SPB Pocket Plus really nice. The thing with it is to remove all the tabs, as they really only generate useless clicks to navigate where your program is, and in final squeeze in one tab only the icons you need. I have 3x5 icons(with no text and large size enabled) and if I really think some of them I don't really need - like powerpoint and so on.To give an exameple this is what I consider usefull:Comunication Manager, Resco Explorer, HTC Album, Igo, Camera, Excel, Word, Coreplayer, sms, activesync,radio, opera, 1-calc (a very nice calculator) and notes. And supplimentary I have enabled the calendar and date plugins in today screen. This is a very nice setup - eficient - and if you set a non transparent background, very nice, kinda stylish look. Now, I have seen that you complained about precision of tapping - beware that in the margins and corners of display you'll have sometimes to get out the stylus. Give that pocket plus a try.It really made my days.
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I agree. Let's not turn into a bunch of iPhone cattle. They stick to their phones like cult even when plagued with numerous problems.
Get SPB mobile. It blows TFTD out of the water.

dgduris said:
Style, schmile!
If I wanted style I'd have the Jesus phone that Apple makes - with one of the great cases from Vaja.
Instead, I want to look at my screen and gain information. On my day, on the stock market, on the weather and on the number of messages I am currently blowing off.
I too liked the weather bit. I also appreciated that TF3D goes a good job at memory management. Maybe when I get the time to learn how to customize it, I'll return to TF3D.
For now, though it is back to WinMob running Pocket Breeze in full screen mode with panels for pA and Pocket Weather.
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I didn't know the Lord makes phones
Back to the subject, it's all a personal preference. I think it's great, and makes the phone a lot more fun and a little easier to use, you don't, but nobody is right or wrong on this one.

ababrekar said:
Care to share those kareem?
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They are stickied in the Raphael subforum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=413562
BTW I have been using TFL3D since when I got my TP in August. SPB Shell seems outdated now but I have it installed anyway, accessible via Second Today

Launcher with Screen Indicator

Update:
I have put one for OS 2.1 version. this one is with scrollbar, no customized screens yet. 800k looks very small.
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hi all friends,
I have mod the original launcher little bit, to add a screen indicator, the source code version is 1.6.
how to install :
Code:
adb remount
adb push Launcher.apk /system/app/Launcher.apk
Hope you like it.

updated, change the indicator picture little bit.
if you want to change it, the images are under res\drawable-port and res\drawable-land
I put a 2.1 version in the attachment. with scrollbar instead of image .
thanks.

Looks cool

This is pretty cool, I have often wished Android came with this functionality by default.
I made some screenshots in case people want to see without pushing the apk. They're JPG so obviously it looks a little better on the phone.
Keep in mind this Launcher has 3 screens, so if you're coming from a 5-screen Launcher you'll have to re-organise your icons beforehand.

Super Jamie said:
This is pretty cool, I have often wished Android came with this functionality by default.
I made some screenshots in case people want to see without pushing the apk. They're JPG so obviously it looks a little better on the phone.
Keep in mind this Launcher has 3 screens, so if you're coming from a 5-screen Launcher you'll have to re-organise your icons beforehand.
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Yeah, reminds me the bottom lines on Home++, its great.

I wonder if it's possible to change either anderweb's or this one to be similar to the scroll bar on sense roms or espresso.

Ace42 said:
I wonder if it's possible to change either anderweb's or this one to be similar to the scroll bar on sense roms or espresso.
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Scrolbars? never used a sense rom, any pic or vid?

AnderWeb said:
Scrolbars? never used a sense rom, any pic or vid?
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at the bottom of the phone screen theres a white scroll bar
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=jsNvqArBe-A&feature=related

I make the mod by several line of code, if make the scrollbar, I think need more coding. let me think if it's possible.

qingcai said:
I make the mod by several line of code, if make the scrollbar, I think need more coding. let me think if it's possible.
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Oh it would be really cool if you could make something similar like the sense bar.

Haha this is clever, good job!

Ace42 said:
Oh it would be really cool if you could make something similar like the sense bar.
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when i first saw AnderWeb's launcher, that's the first thing that i tried to do, but really haven't figured out something yet. The closest I came was the sense ui in my adw themed launcher2 thread. i do agree. Getting this will be awesome! Seems like we are slowly but surely gettin' donut to run like sense/2.0 without having to ever switch roms. All thanks to the great devs we have here on xda. Keep up the good work!

looks lots of people like sense ui.

Afaik, the sense scrolling thing is pretty much the same as nexus scrolling dots with a minor annoyance:
-if you do it graphically identical (following the circular pattern on the drawer 5ab) you are condemned to a fixed number of screens by design.
-if you want customizable screen number, it can be done the same way as Home++ does, with a bottom stright line (same way as the mod on this thread)
so users need to make the choice

It shouldn't be too hard to implement the sense bar, the rogers magic on cupcake has it. i myself hate the sense iu

AnderWeb said:
Afaik, the sense scrolling thing is pretty much the same as nexus scrolling dots with a minor annoyance:
-if you do it graphically identical (following the circular pattern on the drawer 5ab) you are condemned to a fixed number of screens by design.
-if you want customizable screen number, it can be done the same way as Home++ does, with a bottom stright line (same way as the mod on this thread)
so users need to make the choice
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So it would be possible to have it look similar but the bar wouldn't move like in sense?

good idea..but don't work on my super d 1.10.2 :-(
Why?
tnx

AnderWeb said:
Afaik, the sense scrolling thing is pretty much the same as nexus scrolling dots with a minor annoyance:
-if you do it graphically identical (following the circular pattern on the drawer 5ab) you are condemned to a fixed number of screens by design.
-if you want customizable screen number, it can be done the same way as Home++ does, with a bottom stright line (same way as the mod on this thread)
so users need to make the choice
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I wouldn't mind sticking with a set number of homescreens. I myself have become accustomed to using just five homescreens and that alone. I think 5 is plenty, but I'm just one guy and other people have different desires and needs. I wouldn't mind seeing it put into action. I am very much a big fan of sense ui, if you haven't already noticed. lol

borjus86 said:
good idea..but don't work on my super d 1.10.2 :-(
Why?
tnx
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I would try it on super d, and post feed back.

Summarize all friends' comment,
1, scroll bar would be better.
2, customized number of screen would be better.

HD2 Sense UI on Android 2.1?

Hi Guys,
Is it possible to get HD2's Sense UI on android 2.1 devices? I'm a huge fan of HTC's Sense UI. I'd like to get an android device, but this sense UI is stopping me from getting one!

OMG REALLY!? DO YOU WANT IT!? REALLY BAD!? Haah I'm just messing with you. What Android 2.1 Device are you mentioning. If it's the Nexus One which is the only device that runs Android 2.1, then here;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=636048
if not... TOUGH CRAPZ! I sure do hope you're Rooted.

i think hes talking about the windows mobile sense. in other words he wants the touchflo like sense if im not mistaken. As far as i know you can't i don't if anyone even tried

i thought legend and desire do actually have almost the same version of Sense UI? They're Android 2.1 devices as well...

yes hes talking about HD2 which is winMo,
i dont think anyone anywhere has done what he says,
i havnt seen sense UI on android, but its lks amazing from the videos better than winMo sense UI (aka touch FLO 3D).

sense andoid vs sense winmo
I'm a winmo user and am not very familiar with andoid. It seems like sense on either improves the home screen.
I've been with Sprint for about 10 years, but considered leaving just to get the hd2 until they announced the evo.
I like the winmo sense today screen because of the slider (don't want to swipe multiple times to get where I want to be), but it looks like andoid might be a little more flexibe in that each screen can have shortcuts or widgets.
I don't like the look of shortcuts just plastered on the screen though and it seems like winmo has come further in the way of mods (more customization/sense tabs/titanium panels) and I've seen (but not yet used) some that 1.detach sense from windows so you can have the windows today screen and sense and 2.enable you to use windows plugins in a sense tab.
Before touchflo I used ultimate launch. It allows tabs that you can put shortcuts, plugins or widgets on and is very customizable. If it had a slider I think it would rule.
I'm hoping more android mods will come soon. I would love to have a slider on sense and more info on the home screen (calendar, missed calls, voicemails, emails, texts, tasks, some metrics) along with the time and weather.
I'm really just looking for the pros and cons even though I will be on android soon because I've been planning on replacing my mogul for a long time (wanted the tp2 then they announced the hd2 then they announced the evo) and the evo is just tooo good. I guess you gotta stop and get something somewhere even if the scorpion is going to be a phone.
I'm not sure if I'm wrong about anything here and would love to hear anyone's thoughts. I hope I'm not off topic as I think touchflo on android sense would be awesome (more screens/panels too although I hear that's a memory hog).

Sorry for the late reply guys. I was outta station and I lack a smartphone to access internet while I'm travelling
Thanks for your replies.
BTW, G1Bricked, I mentioned about the senseUI of the HD2. If I had liked the SenseUI of Android, I will buy BRAVO itself. I mean, Desire itself.
But, I like the HD2 sense UI a lot (not only for the eye candies, but the three shotcuts on the home page and much more when you slide down). But the only thing that's preventing me from buying the HD2 is its screen!
If there is a way to brinf HD2 Sense UI to Android 2.1, I would buy Galaxy S (Ya, just for the mouth watery screen). I like the default android 2.1 home screen (the one in nexus one), but galaxy S's home screen looks too cheap (IMHO). I guess we can bring the default android home screen on galaxy S easily, but still HD2 sense UI on it will be simply great!
And can any one of you guys help me in comparing the HD2 screen with that of other smartphones(like Nexus one ,desire etc.,) in BRIGHT SUNLIGHT. Cause I guess, at indoors, HD2 is in par with the other devices except for the deep blacks provided by the AMOLED screens. But brightness is the same i guess...

I would love to have the windows mobile sense as well, hope someone comes out with a theme for it.

G1BRICKED said:
OMG REALLY!? DO YOU WANT IT!? REALLY BAD!? Haah I'm just messing with you. What Android 2.1 Device are you mentioning. If it's the Nexus One which is the only device that runs Android 2.1, then here;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=636048
if not... TOUGH CRAPZ! I sure do hope you're Rooted.
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You know... If you're going to take that tone of text with people, and be a complete jerk in the process, it's usually a REALLY good idea to actually be right in what you claim.
Both the HTC Legend and Desire are also Android 2.1 devices, and both have the original Sense UI on which the current Windows version of it is based.

emmarbee said:
Sorry for the late reply guys. I was outta station and I lack a smartphone to access internet while I'm travelling
Thanks for your replies.
BTW, G1Bricked, I mentioned about the senseUI of the HD2. If I had liked the SenseUI of Android, I will buy BRAVO itself. I mean, Desire itself.
But, I like the HD2 sense UI a lot (not only for the eye candies, but the three shotcuts on the home page and much more when you slide down). But the only thing that's preventing me from buying the HD2 is its screen!
If there is a way to brinf HD2 Sense UI to Android 2.1, I would buy Galaxy S (Ya, just for the mouth watery screen). I like the default android 2.1 home screen (the one in nexus one), but galaxy S's home screen looks too cheap (IMHO). I guess we can bring the default android home screen on galaxy S easily, but still HD2 sense UI on it will be simply great!
And can any one of you guys help me in comparing the HD2 screen with that of other smartphones(like Nexus one ,desire etc.,) in BRIGHT SUNLIGHT. Cause I guess, at indoors, HD2 is in par with the other devices except for the deep blacks provided by the AMOLED screens. But brightness is the same i guess...
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The latest version of SenseUI, on Android 2.1 devices, is FAR superior to the limited Windows implementation of it (as far as I've seen of it, anyway). What specific functionality are you wanting?
As for the screen, I can see my Desire's screen quite well in sunlight, though if it's REALLY bright and directly on the screen, I might need to shade it with a hand. It's certainly better than backlit LCD displays are.

sense, android vs winmo
In what ways do feel sense on android is better than sense on winmo? Honestly looking for opinions. I'm a winmo user, but am switching to android for the Evo and am trying to learn about it. I like the slider on winmo and the all the new mods like the expanded and multiple page launcher and the swipe (once) to switch from appts to tasks.
I know on android you have 7 screens (i used to use ultimate launch with multiple screens), but I've begun to like minimal effort navigating (like using the touchflo slider) to get where I want. I think it might bother me to swipe three times to get to the screen I want. I know, I'm lazy.
Also, I know if I use the multiple page launcher on winmo I will be swiping multiple times, but I doubt I would have that many apps and I also like using touchlaunch (touch a letter and it scrolls there) mapped to a softkey.

Well, for a start, you can place program shortcuts or widgets where ever you like on those 7 screens, so depending on your choice, you either have no swipes, or a maximum of 3. Also, on the Legend and Desire at least, you don't have to swipe. You can pinch to show all 7 screens, and tap the one you want to jump right to it.
You also have far greater control over what widgets you have, and don't even have to use HTC's own widgets if you don't want to. There's no xml file to hack around in to change your layouts either, just drag and drop. This alone makes it far superior to the WM version of SenseUI.

Finally, some good info
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Well, for a start, you can place program shortcuts or widgets where ever you like on those 7 screens,
not a big fan of shortcuts just plastered on the screen, I like a structured look, but that's just aesthetics. That does seems versatile, any limit to how many shortcuts per screen or how many widgets per screen? Can you have full screen widgets (of course that would limit you to 7)? I do like the winmo sense slider widgets.
so depending on your choice, you either have no swipes, or a maximum of 3. Also, on the Legend and Desire at least, you don't have to swipe. You can pinch to show all 7 screens, and tap the one you want to jump right to it.
Kinda cool, but I'm not a big fan of that either as I like one handed operations. I feel like multitouch is overkill on a phone, but to each his own and it is a neat capability, just more complicated than a one swipe.
You also have far greater control over what widgets you have, and don't even have to use HTC's own widgets if you don't want to. There's no xml file to hack around in to change your layouts either, just drag and drop. This alone makes it far superior to the WM version of SenseUI.
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Now that's pretty good news. I'm not sure how many widgets are available in winmo now (I know there are some new ones from mods I think), but I have wished it was as easy as downloading an app.
you know, titanium was like sense on winmo, just ass backwards. You swiped/dragged up and down (the long way) to get to your widget (or panel) and then left and right in that panel.
I want the best of both worlds, windroid.

Manicmobileaddict said:
not a big fan of shortcuts just plastered on the screen, I like a structured look, but that's just aesthetics. That does seems versatile, any limit to how many shortcuts per screen or how many widgets per screen? Can you have full screen widgets (of course that would limit you to 7)? I do like the winmo sense slider widgets.
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The only limitation is on available screen real estate. Yes, there are full screen widgets available.
Manicmobileaddict said:
Now that's pretty good news. I'm not sure how many widgets are available in winmo now (I know there are some new ones from mods I think), but I have wished it was as easy as downloading an app.
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The problem with adding extra widgets in winmo Sense was that I just found a lot of them hack jobs and not very well put together; this is especially true for Titanium widgets. They often needed extra things to be installed such as MortScript just to do things like getting weather forecast; and in a lot of cases, involved having to hack DLL's to get decent levels of customization. They certainly weren't for the average user who just wanted some neat widgets.
I've been a WinMo user since Orange released their first HTC made Smartphone, the C100 or C200 I think it was? Years ago anyway. I've had an Android phone for 1.5 weeks now, and I'm not missing WinMo in the slightest.

wow
Thanks dune fan.

coming from a tp2 i can tell you about the comparisons.
Try the android sense. it appears different... but not really just adapted. On WM there is only one home screen, hence the tabs. but what are the tabs? home, email, contacts, programs, texts, internet....
well on android sense, like you said each screen is extremely customizable...
but stock sense has it organized just like windows mobile. each home screen is filled with a full page widget of... email, texts, social networking, news, weather etc just like wm. except it needs no hacks to change... if you dont li ke the 'tab' or homescreen... just throw it in the trash and load whatever you want.
So, since I loved Sense on my TP2... mine is set up like this. home screen has the exact weatherclock wm has, with a few shortcuts to most used programs. then one screen is texts, one screen is facebook which works aloooot better in android, one screen is a bunch of programs, one screen is emails. the rest I dont really use.
And the HTC keyboard is EXACTLY the same as the WM one, except it never lags, and word correction is easier but looks the same.
The Sense Dialer on Android is, to me, much superior. I hated the n1 dialer bc like Iphone your always scrolling through abc order to find a name. My new superphone took ten times as long to quickly call my friend. But when i loaded the Desire ROM on my n1, the dialer is now almost exactly like the WM one, except it has some more functionality built in.
Honestly I think HTC gave up on WM's Sense, and used it just to bring parity but spent most time developing the Android version. Try it. some people dislike it, but anyone who like the WM version, like me, will be instantly at home. It was like I bought an HD that never lagged or crashed.

I hate to tell this being the OP.
I don't feel like I want the WinMo Sense UI anymore. I was just obsessed with it. And after seeing many Android Sense UI, I feel like the android one's are more user friendly.
What's more shame one me (being a WinMo fanboy) is the fact that, after seeing the videos of Legend and Desire I kinda started liking Android 2.1. It all began with the Google Nexus One. Now HTC has perfect 2.1.
I very well realize that Android has a lottt of catching up to do, to where WinMo is now, but still
Now that I'm more inclined towards android 2.1, why should I go to a phone without Super AMOLED?
Everything is okay with I9000 Galaxy S. Except for few shortcomings...
A) It doesn't have SENSE UI. But I guess it won't be a problem. Won't you guys help me in porting senseUI to I9000?
B) It doesn't have flash. (What? No flash??)
C) The design looks awful. Both the hardware and software is a cheap replica of iphone - shame on Samsung.
If only there was a HTC phone with super AMOLED display, I can make a decison super quick!

Now I need this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6229723
(Android sense UI on HD2), is that possible?
Is that possible?

emmarbee said:
Now I need this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6229723
(Android sense UI on HD2), is that possible?
Is that possible?
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It's about as possible as running OSX software in Windows without the aid of emulation or virtualisation.

android sense is much better from hd2 sense. i talk you as winmo addicted
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[Q] Something between Sense and ICS

I have been playing around with some of the custom ROM's recently and I am very impressed with the work the dev's have put in. Some really nice ROM's out there. But I have a few questions that don't fit in anywhere else (I think).
Quite a few of the ROM's are based on either AOSP with a custom launcher that closely resemble the AOSP launcher. Why are we not using the AOSP launcher? Is there something I am missing?
Or they're based on Sense, and quite frankly I have a love/hate relationship with it. Mostly it's app drawer / menu. It scrolls in pages instead of rows, has two unneeded buttons on the bottom (recently launched and something else, I can't remember now)
Here's what I would like to see as a combination of the two launchers.
The ICS drawer, but with the Sense list of toggles.
The ICS homescreen with the Sense widgets. (Gotta love that weather widget )
And the ICS app drawer, missing the somewhat redundant widget list (seriously, who wants the clutter? More to the point, do you add widgets so often that the long press, add widget from a list is too time consuming?)
I guess an amalgamation of the two, could it be done?
There also seems to be some inconsistencies with the settings menu, some ROM's have different settings and the HTC one includes settings only seen from HTC (wifi settings like the O/P power) Can these be included in AOSP/ICS builds or is this going to be Sense based only?
And on a final note, can I run Sense based apps like Camera, Music and Settings on an AOSP/ICS build? What HTC apps are likely to screw with an ICS ROM? I guess I want HTC apps on ICS, the UI inconsistencies that are apparent don't bother me that much, but it's a shame HTC seem to be deviating somewhat to the ICS interface guidelines (making the menu item lists huge and not having a 'back' icon in the top left corner on some of their apps).
Could it be that either the community need to work on improving HTC apps, making them more ICS like or is it a case of waiting to see what HTC release?
I know it sounds like I am picking fault and wanting something for nothing, but this is not the case. I just want a fast, snappy ROM that fits perfectly and we are nearly there, just some of the UI elements need work. I want us to raise the bar when it comes to UI design and fluidity, and user input like this is the only way the chef's/dev's know.
I would contribute on this but I have tried decompiling apps before and get lost/stuck with what I should do. I would be completely clueless as to how to integrate HTC widgets with AOSP launcher, but I know some of you guys know exactly what to do.
Just my input on the future of ROM cooking
Mark

My CM7 -- CyanogenMod 7 Experience.

I finally decided to install CM7 on my Chacha, and this is my experience:
I became accustomed to the particular style of working of the Sense implementation of the Chacha, so changing to CM7 and dropping that had irs learning curve, but nothing impossible or a real drawback.
I liked the fact that CM7 allowed to improve the video capture resolution on lgCamera: I could record in 800x480, where stock rom allows up to 720x480.
Also, CM7 added native FLAC support to the media player, but the playing itself is not constant with frequent cuts. Maybe the quality level of the files is too high, but my Sansa Clip+ player handles them with ease.
The 3D gallery seems to have a problem with JPEG rotation, because sometimes I fix it with 'JPEG Tool', but the gallery still show the files with the wrong orientation, where the stock gallery shows them right.
I really like the Sense calendar widget, and CM7 shows the standard Android one, that I don't like.
I didn't got that extended battery life others mention, maybe a bit longer, but not that 'wow' I expected.
So by the moment I reverted to stock. It seems that ChaCha is meant to be the phone it is: you can hack it, and try to improve it, but the best average way to have it working is with the modded stock rom, IMHO.

Regarding CM's learning curve, a great advantage of CM is that it is the same whatever device you install on. I mean, you can switch from a Motorola Dext with CM7 to an HTC Chacha with CM7, and the user experience will be the same, you'll find the same UI, same apps.
In my case, now I'm used to CM/SuperOSR roms experience, and TBH, switching back to modded stock roms can be difficult.
But it is a matter of whatever people prefer, and what is great is to be able to chose and take whatever one like the most.
BTW, Thanks for the feedback

what about the on screen keyboard?
1 - Does it pop up every time you want to type? regarding the small screen of the Chacha, this is what keeps me from installing it.

stayfidz said:
what about the on screen keyboard?
1 - Does it pop up every time you want to type? regarding the small screen of the Chacha, this is what keeps me from installing it.
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No, the hardware keyboard is used.

Yes, it's true: hardware keyboard is the only option. And word guessing doesn't work.
For purists, anything on top of Android is a mess and something to remove. Is just like Windows Vista forced-to-be users that deactivate all the fancy desktop effects and try to have as much as classic desktop as possible.
But as said, it's a matter of personal tastes.