Hi everybody.
this is my first post here, I hope the place is right for this post.
my problem: I want to replace my OLD smartphone TREO PRO WM6.1 with a new one, but I cannot find a model / OS that can do the same things as good as my current phone. So I may end up keweping the current one, until something better (for me) comes out.
I use my TREO PRO WM6.1 essentially for:
1) keeping my calendar events and contacts always up-to-date on my smartphone,
my office PC and my home PC.
2) make phone calls (also using kar bluetooth kit) and send messages (SMS)
3) keep a number of documents (files) always sincronized on my SD, my office PC and my home PC
4) read and edit Office files, even pasword protected ones on the smartphone when not at home or in the office.
5) off line navigation with TomTom (often abroad, cannot afford to use roaming
6) some browsing and e-mail (not push) by WIFI only
7) sometimes listening to some MP3 music
All the solutions now on the market have very good points but none fits 100% to my needs.
iPhone4: I would need to cut or change the SIM, to make it "MINI", and I cannot, as it it a company SIM and I am not allowed to do this.
Android: from what I have found on XDA, it does not sync very well with outlook via USB (I cannot use google, as my company does not allow to send data to the "clouds" for security reasons) and it's calendar app does not store (or show) events happening 45 days further than today. My calendar is full of recurring and events planned long before. Also, no TomTom for Android (at least as of now, although there are rumours about it coming...)
WinPhone7: it is even more "cloud" dependent than Android, and it looks like TomTom will never be there for it.
Blackberry: as I do not use push mail and do not want to be always connected (often abroad), I do not think this platform is the right one for me.
Has anybody any suggestion for what could be my best option, instead of keeping my Treo Pro with WM6.1 ? I confess, I have not looked at the Nokia world......
Thanks for helping me by sharing your ideas and opinions on the subject.
Well android phones are good all-arounders, but by they way you put it i'd recommend a blackberry: it's good for syncing data and has pretty much all of the basic things you're asking.
I actually can't see what you mean when you say you can't get one because you "don't wanna be always connected": actually there isn't a single phone out there forcing you to connect to whatever if you don't want to, and bb is no exception, so you don't have to worry. Tomtom isn't available for blackberries, but there's a lot of other programs which are on par with it: garmin mobile, wayfinder, and even nav4all which is free. Also, coming from a treo i guess bb form factor should appeal you too...i suggest you to wait for the new bold 9900 (hopefully out in a couple months), which is a nice phone imho. After a year and a half with a full touch screen android i really miss that awesome bb keyboard, and i'm actually looking forward to get one as soon as it comes out.
Ofc the geeks and fanboys here will go like "aw noez, dun get ztupid rim phones, they are outdated and suxxor lalalal, get android!!1", but to be honest this one seems to a much better option for an user with your needs. Just my 2 cents...
thanks, anzi grazie.
well, the problem of the BB is that it is very similar to my Treo pro, almost identical for size, keyboard and functionality (remember, I do not use push mail), and it will not run TomTom..... so why change the Pro with a BB ?
My idea is to change the Pro in order to have a larger screen, that can work landscape also.... OK, there is one BB model with a big screen, but if I do not use push mail, is it really worth taking a BB ? Maybe i am biased here, thinking that BB without using push mail is a waste of money.....I will give BB a better look anyway.
If the ONLY reason you don't want an iPhone 4 is because you have to cut the SIM, then you can always get the 3GS. It will be able to run even iOS 5 and you don't have to cut the SIM. Obviously, it's slower than the iPhone 4, but it does have a Cortex A8 based CPU so even at 600MHz, it's pretty decent. Other than slower CPU, other differences over the iPhone 4 is it has a lower resolution screen, 3.2MP camera, and no flash. The low res screen makes the 3GS look dated, but it's the same size as the iPhone 4 and displays the exact same thing so no information lost, it just doesn't look as sharp.
Have you researched HTC's proprietary Outlook sync for Android? I'm not sure if it's better than what you've read about, but I know HTC does have its own. You should be able to use it if you buy an HTC Android phone. If that doesn't work for you, could you do an Exchange Server sync? If you use Outlook because your company uses Exchange Server, then Android can sync to it directly. For me, it works well in both HTC and stock Android flavors. They've quoted Corinne Vigreux, the managing director of TomTom, as saying TomTom for Android will be "released soon", so I think it's definitely coming. It would be silly not to make it available for the #1 most popular smartphone platform.
WP7 - No, earlier this year TomTom said they won't be making a WP7 version. WP7 is a nice OS, but it just has too few users right now.
Can't comment on BB, never had a modern one.
Nokia - well, Symbian is on the way out as Nokia will be switching to WP7. I don't see the point of going to a dying OS.
So, I think either iPhone 3GS or Android. Definitely Android if you want something more modern. The iPhone 3GS with its low res screen especially, feels a bit dated compared to a modern device with WVGA or higher res screen.
@GnatGoSplat: thanks
well, yes. The problem with iPhone 4 is the micro SIM. It has TomTom, it syncs Outlook via iTunes (I just have to figure out if it can do this on two PCs, home and work or only one pairing is allowed), it has DocsToGo for editing Office files, a good big display.... 3G could be a reasonable alternative, but as I change phone every three / four years I would like to get the latest, when I do the change...
I will ask Vodafone and my company if i can get a "micro" copy of my SIM, so that I can use the iPhone 4 without damaging the original one. Who knows ?
Android... the new dual core Samsung Galaxy S II or LG Dual look very nice only they will not do their job for me... too bad hardware and software companies have tuned up with carriers to have users "on line 24/7" spending money for data connections (flat or whatever) and sending them all their private data and files in the couds....
I really wish the "ole good PALM OS" was still here with us !
We are on AT&T and even for my company phone walking into the store they will replace my SIM without any questions. They will do whatever you want as long as your not changing anything on the contract.
I'm sure you can get a Micro SIM from Vodafone. Even if not, you can probably buy a new Micro SIM from eBay and have Vodafone switch to that SIM and then switch back to the old one if for some reason you have to return the SIM to your employer.
But if you can't, be sure if you get an older iPhone to get the 3GS. The S is important, because the really old iPhone 3G can't upgrade past iOS 4.2.1 and is much, much slower. Huge difference between 3G and 3GS.
Android also has DocsToGo and many, many other apps to work with Office files. You don't need to be online 24/7 with Android, it will work without the cloud. You can even install Droidwall, a very good app that will let you choose which programs are allowed to use mobile data. For example, I let my Android phone have full data access on Wifi, but only the web browser is allowed to use mobile data. You can turn off mobile data entirely with no problems if you wish.
Palm OS? But your old Palm Treo doesn't even run Palm OS! You could always try a modern Palm phone using WebOS, but I've never had one so I don't know much about those at all.
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I'm sure you can get a Micro SIM from Vodafone. Even if not, you can probably buy a new Micro SIM from eBay and have Vodafone switch to that SIM and then switch back to the old one if for some reason you have to return the SIM to your employer.
But if you can't, be sure if you get an older iPhone to get the 3GS. The S is important, because the really old iPhone 3G can't upgrade past iOS 4.2.1 and is much, much slower. Huge difference between 3G and 3GS.
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Many thanks for the hint. I'll try to have the sim and look over the 3gS if not.
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Android also has DocsToGo and many, many other apps to work with Office files. You don't need to be online 24/7 with Android, it will work without the cloud. You can even install Droidwall, a very good app that will let you choose which programs are allowed to use mobile data. For example, I let my Android phone have full data access on Wifi, but only the web browser is allowed to use mobile data. You can turn off mobile data entirely with no problems if you wish.
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True, but looking around the web I found all and the contrary of all about Android and sync with Outlook / Office via USB.... And, I would like to sync two PCs witht he same device... I still am a little skeptical.
OK for DocsToGo, this is what I will buy if I decide for an Android, as it also is the only app that handles password protected files on the device.....
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Palm OS? But your old Palm Treo doesn't even run Palm OS! You could always try a modern Palm phone using WebOS, but I've never had one so I don't know much about those at all.
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my reference to PalmOS was just because, after my Motorola StaRTAC, I had a Treo 90, a Treo 180, a Treo 650 and really loved them for what they could do at their time. Way ahead of other devices and OS !!!!
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You don't need to be online 24/7 with Android, it will work without the cloud. You can even install Droidwall, a very good app that will let you choose which programs are allowed to use mobile data.
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DroidWall leaks when you boot your phone, and with all those restrictions from the OP's company I'm pretty sure that rooting Android to use DroidWall is not an option.
Apps like APNdroid, Quick Settings and Widgetsoid are much better at keeping your phone offline. Nothing gets past a renamed APN.
If the OP can get Outlook syncing working then Android will fit the bill. There are plenty of calendar apps out there, so there must be one that does the job.
I still remember my old Nokia 6510 - nothing could beat the battery life in that one. Sometimes I could get even one week of battery life.
I think smartphone creators should think about extending battery life so it would last at least 3 days with very heavy usage.
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Okay, here is my dilema..... My current contract is up, so i have the option of 3 ways to go next...
I've had various Windows Mobile based devices for several years now, i've had the SPV E200, then the SPV M1000 (Himalaya), then the O2 XDA Exec (Universal), then the O2 Mini-s (Wizard) then finally the MDA Vario II (Hermes)
I've had loads of fun with these handsets over the years and thanks to xda-devs have hacked and flashed to my hearts content..... but now i think it's time for a chance...
Do i....
A) Get the next update in the Windows Mobile range, the MDA Vario III (Kaiser)
B) Get an Unlocked Iphone...
C) Get a Iphone clone
D) Something else - if so, please specify... i appreciate your time and opinion.
What do you thiink
imho iphone clones are like a dragqueen few people are really fooled
and it's not the same thing
same thing with many other ui mods for wm they got their look but when the user
start a program or open a dir your back to the wm look
so imho iphone skins are just that skins the thing one see before starting to use the device
if the cool of iphone is what one likes and one can make do with the limitations of features of iphone then get an iphone
if one needs the features of various wm devices then imho putting a skin on it which makes people think it's iphone'ish will make it just that
i require the access of many 3th party apps which i cant get on iphone so i will make do with wm even if some parts of iphones gui is better and cooler then wm
i will not try to make my wm device with whatever lacking it have look like an undead ½ iphone
Apples and oranges
By the looks you know what WM can do for you. Are you happy with it? Does it suit your needs?
Or do you prefer eye-candy with a very slick UI?
Work or fun?
You have a lot of WM software that you paid for?
The choice is yours, really........
P.S.: I do like the I-phone UI, the screen etc., but for me the present version just doesn´t cut it........maybe the next generation I-Phone.
Do you want "use" or "decoration" ?
Iphone is like flash-dating: the initial 3 minutes thing. But it sure is a dating agent; it will probably pull a lot of partners if they are the kind easily impressed by money and looks; I've seen a 40-some guy on a plane do just that! And the girl did not look more than 17. Now a WM phone would probably scare her away. Too techy.
But I like tech things and am waiting for a really good linux phone.
Cheers.
one think i love about iphone is the album art flipping one can do like in itunes but personaly i use a sdcard reader to put music on my device so it would not sync
plus iphone cant use sdcards at all so that would be a limitation too
It depends on what you do with the device.
Do you want MS Exchange push mail, with corporate lookup and full sync of contacts and calendar?
Do you want 3G speed where Wifi is not avail?
Do you want to teather to a laptop?
Do you want video capture and camera controls (zoom, light adjust, etc)?
Do you want Stereo Bluetooth headset support for streaming music and be able to take calls?
If you answered yes to most of these, you should stick with a WM device.
Otherwise, the benefits you will get from the iPhone will be well worth the it. I often will use my iPhone on Wifi to browse the internet instead of my laptop or desktop - it's that good. Really you will need to get your hands on an iPhone and decide. Some people have a hard time going from all those buttons to the "soft" keyboard of the iPhone. I was using a Touch before going to the iPhone as my main phone so the keyboard was an improvement for me.
My .02
2manyphones said:
It depends on what you do with the device.
Do you want MS Exchange push mail, with corporate lookup and full sync of contacts and calendar?
Do you want 3G speed where Wifi is not avail?
Do you want to teather to a laptop?
Do you want video capture and camera controls (zoom, light adjust, etc)?
Do you want Stereo Bluetooth headset support for streaming music and be able to take calls?
If you answered yes to most of these, you should stick with a WM device.
Otherwise, the benefits you will get from the iPhone will be well worth the it. I often will use my iPhone on Wifi to browse the internet instead of my laptop or desktop - it's that good. Really you will need to get your hands on an iPhone and decide. Some people have a hard time going from all those buttons to the "soft" keyboard of the iPhone. I was using a Touch before going to the iPhone as my main phone so the keyboard was an improvement for me.
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Thanks to everyone who has replied so far, your comments have been very helpful in making up my mind on what to get next.... Iphone, just ordered one !
Now my reasons are this, i've had lots of wm devices as i described in my first post and i think i've ran the course with them in terms of what i can do with them and what they can do for me. PLUS i'm not travelling around alot now for work as i'm more office bound now, so don't need the tomtom anymore. I also think the interface on the iphone is exceptional and after using loads of different themes on the xda, nothing comes close to the polished look and feel. Also, i've got to the point where i don't use any of the added programs i used to on my xda, except from the finger scrolling add ons such as pocketcm, s2sunlock and htc-touchflo cube.....
I hope i have many years of fun with this iphone when it arrives and will keep popping in here from time to time to catch up.....
Interesting...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20080514/tc_nf/59789
Zenoran said:
Interesting...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20080514/tc_nf/59789
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Cool. I'm pretty sure I'll get one. It will surely be much better than the pretty much messed-up and incapable Diamond.
I use my PDA for business purposes and couldn't care less for it in my personal world. That said, the iPhone can't touch the Windows Device in the business world.
- First there are issues with iTunes. I can't stand it and every time i tried installing it on my computer something stopped working. So unless they make it work with WMDC it won't work for me. I haven't seen (other than a virus) a software that is more invasive than iTunes!
- No WiFi Sync. I sync via Bluetooth all day long when I'm at the office.
- No or very limited customization/personalization!
- Usability! Don't take me wrong it is very user friendly in general especially if you never used a "Smart" phone/device, but try to dial a number while driving! On standard phones, you can blindly feel your way around the dial screen, not so on the iPhone. Well, if you have a PDA without numbers, you can always use voice dial and it works great for me. Not so on the iPhone. Or just try to imagine you have FAT FINGERS, then the screen doesn't work at all (not that you could dial a number on my Dash with fat fingers ) Have you ever tried to operate the iPhone in cold conditions. Well it doesn't! Something with the screen just doesn't want to work when it is very cold.
- My friend is telling me that he can't delete certain stuff of the phone. Can only be done on iTunes and then it needs to be synced. To me that sounds like a one way street. I need to sync the latest changes I have done on either device or laptop.
- No MMS
- No 3G YET, but my TMo Dash doesn't either.
- Not enough Software yet (which probably will change in a year or two). I have around $200 worth of software on my PDA and NONE is available for iPhone. This saves me carrying my laptop all over the place.
- Not available on all networks. It is a locked device and I dare you to unlock it
- You can't do that attitude.
- Why do they keep on pushing the iTunes this and iTunes that on you.
It is difficult to focus on all the good when you are used to your WM device having all the options available and then once you jump on the iPhone wagon these options are just not available.
My buddy, who took the iPhone plunge, ended up getting his old Siemens SX66 back (updated to WM6) and gave his $500 iPhone to his wife, who absolutelly loves it, she uses it mainly as a MP3 player (and sometimes as a phone).
I do love the High Res Screen, ease of use and overal looks of the iPhone. If the features and software become available it would definetly be a WM killer, but as of yet, the only people i see using an iPhone are the ones who don't really need a WM device. If I wouldn't depend on the stuff that is on my Smartphone, i'd probably have an iPhone too.
In my opinion it is a very good looking but a "Not Enough" or Simple device. Here, check it out:
http://www.tryphone.com/main.seam;j...Main&conversationPropagation=end&cid=442382#g
they are making it support activesync soon last i heard
bluetooth is not wifi activesync used to be able to sync using wifi as well as bluetooth but that was removed (so that harms wm devices too)
iphone can do mms using third party software
all iphones used outside of usa are unlocked and can use Edge or gprs networks of those countries not really with apples consent though
daleksic said:
I use my PDA for business purposes and couldn't care less for it in my personal world. That said, the iPhone can't touch the Windows Device in the business world.
- First there are issues with iTunes. I can't stand it and every time i tried installing it on my computer something stopped working. So unless they make it work with WMDC it won't work for me. I haven't seen (other than a virus) a software that is more invasive than iTunes!
- No WiFi Sync. I sync via Bluetooth all day long when I'm at the office.
- No or very limited customization/personalization!
- Usability! Don't take me wrong it is very user friendly in general especially if you never used a "Smart" phone/device, but try to dial a number while driving! On standard phones, you can blindly feel your way around the dial screen, not so on the iPhone. Well, if you have a PDA without numbers, you can always use voice dial and it works great for me. Not so on the iPhone. Or just try to imagine you have FAT FINGERS, then the screen doesn't work at all (not that you could dial a number on my Dash with fat fingers ) Have you ever tried to operate the iPhone in cold conditions. Well it doesn't! Something with the screen just doesn't want to work when it is very cold.
- My friend is telling me that he can't delete certain stuff of the phone. Can only be done on iTunes and then it needs to be synced. To me that sounds like a one way street. I need to sync the latest changes I have done on either device or laptop.
- No MMS
- No 3G YET, but my TMo Dash doesn't either.
- Not enough Software yet (which probably will change in a year or two). I have around $200 worth of software on my PDA and NONE is available for iPhone. This saves me carrying my laptop all over the place.
- Not available on all networks. It is a locked device and I dare you to unlock it
- You can't do that attitude.
- Why do they keep on pushing the iTunes this and iTunes that on you.
It is difficult to focus on all the good when you are used to your WM device having all the options available and then once you jump on the iPhone wagon these options are just not available.
My buddy, who took the iPhone plunge, ended up getting his old Siemens SX66 back (updated to WM6) and gave his $500 iPhone to his wife, who absolutelly loves it, she uses it mainly as a MP3 player (and sometimes as a phone).
I do love the High Res Screen, ease of use and overal looks of the iPhone. If the features and software become available it would definetly be a WM killer, but as of yet, the only people i see using an iPhone are the ones who don't really need a WM device. If I wouldn't depend on the stuff that is on my Smartphone, i'd probably have an iPhone too.
In my opinion it is a very good looking but a "Not Enough" or Simple device. Here, check it out:
http://www.tryphone.com/main.seam;j...Main&conversationPropagation=end&cid=442382#g
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lol @ this post. you must have just used a 5 min demo from the store. the iphone can do a lot of the stuff you're complaining about.
I thought they already added activesync to iPhone? If not.. I know for sure it's coming soon.. that was AMAZING to me they were doing that...
iTunes is the thing that will probably prevent me from ever getting an iPhone though... I HATE iTunes. HATE HATE HATE. Everything apple FORCES u to use iTunes and I think it's stupid.
will be interesting to see the features of this v2 phone... I would assume that is the one they would throw on 3G.
i use itunes even though i dont have an ipod or iphone
i like it
Cool. I'm pretty sure I'll get one. It will surely be much better than the pretty much messed-up and incapable Diamond.
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Have you used a Diamond yet? Or are you just guessing...
I think the Raphael will definately be better than the iPhone for most uses, and I also think the Diamond will be better with the ability to have a far greater number of programs...
Of course you can unlock the iPhone but you loose warranty i heard. But in europe the iPhone is provider locked as well. For example, in Austria the iPhone is sold unter T-mobile (germany as well, Deutsche Telekom), so if you want to unlock it to be able to use A1 or O2 or whatever else you have to void your warranty to be able to do that.
You just gotta jailbreak it if you want more. And that's marginally.
http://www.appletell.com/apple/comment/unlocked-iphones-to-be-sold-in-europe-the-moon/
there been rumors for awhile about them also being sold unlocked in europe
in which case apple will have to give warrenty
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Have you used a Diamond yet? Or are you just guessing...
I think the Raphael will definately be better than the iPhone for most uses, and I also think the Diamond will be better with the ability to have a far greater number of programs...
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I think he was being sarcastic
as far as unlocked iphones people are now buying these "hi-phones" which they're making claims are better than iphone to begin with... haven't seen a 3g version of it though
l3v5y said:
Have you used a Diamond yet? Or are you just guessing...
I think the Raphael will definately be better than the iPhone for most uses, and I also think the Diamond will be better with the ability to have a far greater number of programs...
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It depends. 4GB storage is plain insufficient in a multimedia device. This device has been killed on the drawing board.
And if the GUI will be as slow as on the videos, it'll be really hard to use.
Of course, I don't disagree the Diamon has a lot more apps. It's just that I also have an iPAQ 210 in my poxket so I have something high-end to run my WinMo apps on- my phone doesn't necessarily need be a WinMo phone. This is why I have a Nokia N95 as my generic multimedia phone right now.
Yeah, the unlock iPhone rumor, is just that a rumor. Trust me, my friend came to visit me here in US with his Austrian iPhone and he ended up with one of my old Nokia phones while he was here as the iPhone was locked. He asked for unlock but Tmo will not budge on this one. Any other phone they will send you the SIM unlock codes wihtin 24 hours. Besides TMo Europe and TMo US are 2 complete separate units and for some reason they are not communicating that well with each other. That's unfortunate, they could have an awesome worldwide network.
After looking at the presentation of IPhone 3G v3.0 and already have read the articles about the WM v6.5 and v7.0, a huge disappointment came over me.
You see I am a top shouter in my environment for the HTC phones which are all equipped with the WM OS's.
The greatest impression on me where some articles about guys(who seemed in my eyes a real priority on this, i am dutch so not quickly impressed by anything), who wrote all similar story's about the WM v6.5/7.0. Stating Microsoft is not at all doing anything to compete with the Google and APPLE OS's. There are just very few improvements and absolutely not at all impressive enough as the IPhone OS.
Reading some article they are looking for a lead developer for the new core for WM v7.0 are not honored and contradicting, like saying oke guys i know the current OS is ****ty so we need to start over, can anyone help us?
That is not the sort of message I as WM lover like to hear.
It seems that Apple is just about the only one who is really listening to the users and they are working their ass off getting all requested functionality integrated. APPLE have done more on the OS in 1 year then Microsoft did on all development of the WM versions.
I am working at an IT company where the IPhone is making a serious entry and I am working at support and people asking me for information getting the IPhone working with the company applications. and guess what, it is sooooooo much easier getting it setup then every other WM-device i have seen. And they seem to shrink in number at the company.
Now I am really in love with the HTC-devices, but i am slowly getting confused by the latest IPHONE OS.
I expect that Microsoft will loose this battle due to their arrogance and dragging all major mobile company's down with it. So expect another crisis in a year or 3 because now the smart phones are booming but people will come to their senses and they switch to IPhone after their subscriber to the providers has ended.
So please bring me to my senses and say I am totally wrong!!
yes and no
the problem is migrators. people whove had there nokias and stuff then want a better device. theyll run to iphone dueto the flashy marketing and support
bu winmo is more like an old pair of sneakers. sure theyre ugly aan dirty
but they do the job they were built to do. in my opinion as long as they do there job making it work i can do my job making it look pretty. coz id rather get ther in my old confy sneakers to get there than getting blisters from a new pair
i dont think any die hard winmo fan will move not really because at the end of the day we always go back to those old trainers
ive got a headache now
stop making me use my brain
i went from iphone to iphone 3g to windows mobile
i prefer my diamond to be honest even thou iphone can do alot more in ways the diamond does more in other ways
hands down id rather go with diamond or pro
@jayjay8585
Thanks for your response.
I hope you are familiar with ice skating?
They where skating years and years on the normal skates and the fastest times stayed longer and longer on the list.
Then someone decided to change the skate(klikskate, the iron comes half lose when lifting the skate) so significantly everybody said out loud that will not work, so they tried it a bit but went back to their old skates(sneakers).
Until someone who always was just under the top 10 decided, oke I reeeeeeealy going to try this and trained for 2 years on it.
So the next major tournament this person broke all long standing records.
Now everybody is using the new ice skates and up until now, records keep broken almost every new major tournament.
Shortly: I half agree with the sneaker story but it will not hold on the long term.
Microsoft just messed up to big, so if Bill wants to see another billion or 2 added on the Forbes list he has to get serious on this.
Windows Mobile 7 is not even beta yet so how can you be making comparisons with that OS? And while apple has added features to bring it on par with modern smartphones I personally am too used to the freedom of using a device of my own choosing with whatever carrier I choose and not being tied to using apple software and hardware products.
Here is what I have to say about the iPhone. The iPhone............
iPhone = Flashy Fashiontoy laden with DRM Crap no one here wants. Period.
Yup!
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iPhone = Flashy Fashiontoy laden with DRM Crap no one here wants. Period.
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Quoted for the Mo-Fo'm truth!
How about the g1? It listens to its users the users and devs nake this phone better everydaay. I have had my for just over a week and don't know how I livd without it. I love how it works It can do all the iphone can and more. My main thing is it needs flash player other than that. also anyone seen or have any ideas on the new plam?
I personally wouldn't touch the G1 even if my life depended on it... Someone has to remove all the frickin' Google Crap from the OS (mandatory googlemail acc, anyone ?) before I'd be willing to shell out a few hundred bucks for one of these.
I'm not willing to let Google put a leash up my ass...
To the above guy. Besides making a mail account that's ur only leash. That beats being to to steve and bill in my opion. U can change the browser and well just about every u can get a lot of apps on line. U don't have to use the market that came on the phone everything is open.
the G1 I tested required a Googlemail Account.
Granted, I already have one and only Spam gets redirected there, but I don't want Google to know who i have as Contacts on my Sim and my Appointments no one has to read either.
Google on G1 = No Phone for me
Well whre are getting that they do that? And if they do why dosent everyone else? I figuer all cell phone data is almost public anyways
just wanted to add my 2 pence worth.
I've only had 2 WM devices so far, the XDA Exec and now the Touch Dual.
As much as I've enjoyed playing with these, I'm starting to really like the look of the iPhone. Everyone I speak to that has one say they love it because it does what is says on the lid. It works.
I'm fed up with having to reset my phone when it crashes on an incoming call, or re-syncing it to my BT car Hands free set...............
I've had to work hard and rely on the good devs here (thanks folks)to be able to get to a point where my phone is just about stable.
The iPhone is starting to look like a possability when my contract is up in six months
WM 6.5 will make it better as well as ROM Cookers. I have the Iphone 3G - in the box. Yes its flashy and its more fluid I like the control I have over my Touch HD. I like being able to flash it and try it out. I like the fact that I can change the BATTERY out on it. I like the ability to sync with Outlook, I like the fact that there are many many apps for the WM 6.1 and 6.5(when it becomes available).
And I like my screen resolution and Garmin XT NAV
Oh yeah.. Did I mention that I hate ITUNES and DRM?
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the G1 I tested required a Googlemail Account.
Granted, I already have one and only Spam gets redirected there, but I don't want Google to know who i have as Contacts on my Sim and my Appointments no one has to read either.
Google on G1 = No Phone for me
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you do realize that you can turn off syncing, which means that you wont send any data to the google acct. so none of your contacts/appointments will leave your phone, and gmail wont sync. if you root your G1 you dont even have to use a google acct.
This is an article from BRIGHTHAND:
Cut, Copy, and Paste
Confirming the earlier rumors, iPhone 3.0 will -- finally -- allow iPhone users to cut-and-paste and copy-and-paste. Naturally, the process for selecting text will take advantage of this device's multi-touch screen. This feature will be available in Apple's own software and third-party apps.
And it extends to more than just text. Users will be able to copy images and paste them into an email.
MMS, A2DP, Etc.
iPhone 3.0 will also mark the arrival of other features long available in the iPhone's competitors, including MMS messaging, Stereo Bluetooth, device search, and voice memos.
In addition, landscape support is being added to more of the bundled applications.
Apple is also going to release a new SDK (software developer kit) for handling streaming audio and video, including HDTV streaming.
Still No Multitasking
Apple had some good news and bad news for users. The bad news is that it's still not allowing multitasking because running third-party applications in the background is more than the device can handle. Scott Forstall, Apple SVP iPhone Software, who handled much of today's presentation, said that an IM application running in the background reduced the iPhone's standby battery time by 80%.
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I don't think the iPhone is able to beat anybody yet, as you can see, the above upgrade or fix to the coming iPhone 3 are qualities that should have been there since it's first release. They are still playing catch-up to Windows Mobile.
The only thing I like about the iPhone is the speed. Other than that, nothing else. With more powerful processor coming out, this will definitely be a brighter future for WM.
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I'm fed up with having to reset my phone when it crashes on an incoming call, or re-syncing it to my BT car Hands free set...............
I've had to work hard and rely on the good devs here (thanks folks)to be able to get to a point where my phone is just about stable.
The iPhone is starting to look like a possability when my contract is up in six months
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Sorry to see you are having trouble, but for me, my setup is very stable. No crashes nor freezes, so I am happy with Windows Mobile. BT works flawlessly too. I believe stability is related to what applications you have installed. I have about 350 applications and games installed, you just need to try them one by one and see which one causes the problem. This is the proceedure I do each time I upgrade my device. By the way, I have an HTC Advantage X7510. I just use my HTC Universal as the test subject nowadays.
I'd like to thank those brave enough to say that the iPhone does in fact pose a huge problem to WM, and those brave enough to say that they're willing to move away. Another thing I'd like to say is that being tied to a carrier/network that you don't like is not actually an argument against the iPhone, rather the circumstances surrounding it. Let's keep this thread based around an SIM-unlocked iPhone for a change. Also, let's just look at the OS, and not the extras HTC/Samsung/SE has overlayed on top.
Now, let's face it, WM is losing appeal- fast. WM is dynamic and flexible- almost like an open-source OS, but the UI is outdated and still bears an uncanny resemblance to it's oldest predecessor almost 10 whole years ago. Also, it can get laggy, and crashes even on stock ROMs, so there's another bunch of disadvantages.
Not much left. Let's hope WM7 saves MS.
I agree 100% with cktlcmd.
Thanks for putting it exactly how I would,
so I don't have to think.
This is what I'm feeling so far.......... (my two cents)
I love my wimo (6700, 8525, tilt and now touch Pro) and at first I use to tell people that only way that iPhone is making a killing is because how they advertised the phone.
People with iPhones use to be like your phone looks and feels like a brick. I will tell them how the wimo can do all types of things, so they started coming back to me and showing how once they jail break the phone they can do about all most the same thing. I would laugh and say well you still can't get mms, teathering, or cut/paste......3.0 is coming out for the iPhone, now I feel like hiding from the ones I laughed at.
If Microsoft is reading......please help us out, because the reason I love the phones is because they can do wonders but now I'm starting to feel like an old school guy with and old phone not willing to give up.............We (I hope I can speak for all the wimo people) spend at alot of time and money on these phone and just want a little something back, beside a new phone......think about the inside the phone and help us out so we can stay and be the top dogs again.
Hi Folks,
I'm looking at getting a smartphone and would like your thoughts?
I've currently got a BB Bold 9000 and am getting increasingly frustrated by the lack of apps and the price of them as well! Not only that but a few apps slows the bloody thing right down!
I did have my eye on the HTC Touch Pro 2 but am not too sure now?
Now i'm thinking which OS should I go for, which phone etc.
I will be using the phone mainly for work but do like my gadgets! I like the email functionality of the bold and the qwerty keypad but the screen is too small now, the calender really irritates me because when someone wants to book an appointment and i'm out and about it's difficult to quickly see what appts I've got for the week.
Also the speed of the internet on the bold is rubbish!
I have friends with iphones and am jealous because they've got loads of business apps and cool apps, whereas my apps are pants!
I need a unlocked 3g phone to use here in the uk so any suggestions would be welcomed, also not looking to spend megabucks on a handset.
Windows Mobile is by far the best OS if you use your phone primarily for work. So I'd get the Htc HD2 if I were you. Don't get the Touch Pro 2 now as it'll probably soon be replaced by a similar device to the HD2. If a physical keyboard is a must, then go for the nokia n900.
The HD2 isn't out yet is it?
When it does come out won't it cost a small fortune to get?
The HD2 isn't out yet is it?
When it does come out won't it cost a small fortune to get?
If you are comparing things to the iPhone, more than likely you'll be dissappointed at the app selection for Winmo as well. There may be a lot of them, but were for the most part designed years ago, are not finger firendly, and cost a lot more than iPhone applications ($9-25USD vs. $1-$5USD for iphone).
That being said, it sounds like you are a busy man, and managing your life is important. Winmo paired with SPB Mobile Shell 3/3.5 puts a simply phenemenal quick scrolling calender on your homescreeen, (this is among the many things it does for you). As for out of the box, the WM 6.5 lock screen also shows you your next upcoming appointment. If you are sycning with MS Exchange, you get built in access to your companies directory when sending e-mails or trying to pull up phone numbers. You also get more control over what content and how much of it syncs than I believe the other platforms have.
in your place i would wait until february or march 2010 then the mobile phones will get 4g which will allow you to surf with 100 mbit in the internet the max now is hsdpa with 7.2 mbit
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in your place i would wait until february or march 2010 then the mobile phones will get 4g which will allow you to surf with 100 mbit in the internet the max now is hsdpa with 7.2 mbit
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Don't think we'll even have functioning 4G networks by then.
Go for TP2!!
It´s a great superb device
I was thinking of going down the route of the TP2. Have seen it being reviewed on youtube.
What's it like to text and email on the touchcreen without using the slide out keypad?
Don't slam me because I admit I'm a NOOB. I love my TP2 . . . best phone I've ever owned. Am I missing out by not waiting for an android phone?
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Don't slam me because I admit I'm a NOOB. I love my TP2 . . . best phone I've ever owned. Am I missing out by not waiting for an android phone?
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I have had these 3 phones..Iphone, G1 and HTC Touch Pro 2. The Iphone is the best phone i have owned but the AT&T service killed it! Just Bad service all the way around....Same as the G1 with T-Mobile....seemed like a good phone but NO SERVICE! I wanted to hate the TP2 because of the windows mobile part of it but I have to say I like it very much. I also like the fact im back on Verizon. I am like you and thinking I might miss out on something by not getting the new Android phone but I would stick with the TP2 for awhile.its a good phone.
Won't lie to you and tell you I know much about android. What I do know, however, is that there is a site (link below) that compares "PalmPre vs. iPhone vs. WinMo vs. Android vs. BlackBerry"
In it the writer in the article had very little love for the Android system (at this time), but eluded to the fact that it could be the next big thing, someday. Take a look for yourself and decide.
http://www.mobilitysite.com/2009/01/palmpre-vs-iphone-vs-winmo-vs-android-vs-blackberry-fight/
That article is 9 months old, I haven't even heard of the android at that time( I really wasn't into phones that much then anyways, but still ). And he was basing all his tests on the G1, I hope someone writes an updated article of that( I like his style ), and compares it to the droid that is out for verizon. I personally have 24 days until I can get a phone, it's between the TP2, and the droid, but I hear they are in the works of porting android 2 to the TP2 so...
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That article is 9 months old, I haven't even heard of the android at that time( I really wasn't into phones that much then anyways, but still ). And he was basing all his tests on the G1, I hope someone writes an updated article of that( I like his style ), and compares it to the droid that is out for verizon. I personally have 24 days until I can get a phone, it's between the TP2, and the droid, but I hear they are in the works of porting android 2 to the TP2 so...
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I agree, I have sent them an e-mail requesting the same article, but updated with new software/firmware/hardware.
I would recommend that you, and anyone else who wants it, do the same.
http://www.mobilitysite.com/boards/sendmessage.php
Once there, click on Request review, do their little non-bot verification thing and then be sure to include the following:
1. The Original Article Link - http://www.mobilitysite.com/2009/01/palmpre-vs-iphone-vs-winmo-vs-android-vs-blackberry-fight/
2. That you request the same article, but updated with the new software versions, Firmware, and hardware.
I've used both. After I got past the initial excitement of the newness of it, I didn't find anything that gave one phone a significant advantage over the other. At first, it seemed really cool, but it was more of a new car effect. Once I settled in the coolness faded and it was just another OS. If choosing between an Android phone and a Windows phone, I would let the hardware be your guide, not the OS. Just my $0.02.
Edit... actually, I should mention one area Android does shine, not surprisingly, it's integration with Google. If you are a heavy Google apps user then Android wins. Otherwise, my comments above apply.
Again, I don't know much about android... However, I've just gotten used to WinMo and it's seemless integration with Windows Operating systems through it's various Mobile versions of Windows Apps (Word, Excell, Outlook, etc) (FYI, I rarely, if ever, Use Active Sync, which is a piece of $#!+). I've also gotten really used to the wide range of free apps and endless stream of mods for WinMo Phones.
I believe that it really depends on 1) what you are use to, 2) what you are looking for, and 3) what, if anything, you are comfortable compromising on. Bottom line, I cannot make up someone's mind, only offer my opinion and experience and encourage someone to make up their own mind.
Edit... actually, I should mention one area Android does shine, not surprisingly, it's integration with Google. If you are a heavy Google apps user then Android wins. Otherwise, my comments above apply.
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I would be interested to see how this works. The only thing I really use from the Google apps is the Google Maps. I do have the GPS software, and Bing. However, I've found that usually (not always) when I cannot find something with one GPS/Map software, one of the other two will find it. But to say I use that heavily is not totally true. I also use the other apps very little, if any. So Overall, though I would like to see how it works, I don't believe that Android is for me.
After spending all weekend with the Droid. There are a few things it does better.
Integrated search, and voice control. Secondly it is much quicker to switch tasks. Amazon MP3 store is really great to have integrated as well
Aside from that even playing with OpenHome skins, I think the most recent version of HTC Sense 2.5 for the TP2 is a much better interface.
Android claims it is such an open platform but they dont have sites like PPC or XDA to support their phones yet.
Windows Mobiles biggest problem is its windows mobile. Its not the trend, and there is so much negative press about it that people overlook it.
I love my windows mobile device. I have the TP2. I have seen where people have flashed the TP to Andriod and it seems to work well. Im thinking of doing it to my old TP. The Driod is very cool. My store just got a shippment in. But it hasnt impressed me enought to switch. Flash my old TP maybe. Since it just sits in its box.
Tried it out, but didn't like it. Android isn't really an operating system it's more like a "skin" for a really poor operating system.
System preferences and commands aren't congregated in one place.
Apps can't be saved to an external memory card. You can't back them up, either.
Preferences and customization is limited, compared to what you can do with Windows Mobile.
As far as being an "idiot proof" OS it still has a pretty high learning curve, and compared to the iPhone, which has an elegant UI, one that I respect tremendously despite my dislike of AT&T and Apple products in general, it doesn't measure up.
Last of all, call quality sucks compared to my TP2. I've been on a train and people can still hear me clear as day.
Win Mob 6.5
Windows mobile is not at all horrible.I’ve had the best experience using winmo 6.5 on HTC HD2.The QWERTY keypad makes it soo easy to send messages, its even helpful for browsing.it Even has the in-built apps such as facebook widget,MSN widget etc.
Android has an excellent feature, where if you click on a phone number in a webpage, it will dial that number for you. TP2 can't do that. This gives Android a HUGE usability advantage over TP2 (and other WM phones).
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Android has an excellent feature, where if you click on a phone number in a webpage, it will dial that number for you. TP2 can't do that. This gives Android a HUGE usability advantage over TP2 (and other WM phones).
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actually... TP2 DOES do that...
I use both and they are both good phones. I would not give up my TP2 to use a Droid full time, but it does have its advantages.
The Droids screen is nice, but so is the TP2. The keyboard on the TP2 blows the Droids away.
The voice search on the DROID is awesome, much better and accurate than TellME, which I do have working on my TP2.
Droid is more responsive and the Android marketplace is great, but I have XDA for my TP2
Droid ships with a 16GB memory card, which is nice.
I like and use both the tilting screen and TV out on the TP2. Droid does neither. Just my 2 cents
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Android has an excellent feature, where if you click on a phone number in a webpage, it will dial that number for you. TP2 can't do that. This gives Android a HUGE usability advantage over TP2 (and other WM phones).
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Um, seriously, man... this has been a feature of WinMo Phones for quite a while. In fact, most apps that can display a phone number (GPS, Google, Windows Live, any browser that I've used, etc) do allow you to click on them and call them. Most of them require that you confirm it, making sure you pressed the right one, but, other than that the functionality is there.
The only thing that I like Google/Google Maps over the rest of them is that when you dial a number from it's search list, it will transfer the name of that listing (e.g. "Tom's Tire") to the call history and associate it with that number. This does make it a lot easier to go back and find a number that I wouldn't have normally saved. Other than that, they are all pretty even.
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Um, seriously, man... this has been a feature of WinMo Phones for quite a while. In fact, most apps that can display a phone number (GPS, Google, Windows Live, any browser that I've used, etc) do allow you to click on them and call them. Most of them require that you confirm it, making sure you pressed the right one, but, other than that the functionality is there.
The only thing that I like Google/Google Maps over the rest of them is that when you dial a number from it's search list, it will transfer the name of that listing (e.g. "Tom's Tire") to the call history and associate it with that number. This does make it a lot easier to go back and find a number that I wouldn't have normally saved. Other than that, they are all pretty even.
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Ummm, seriously, out-of-the-box TP2 (I know I just took mine out of the box) the TP2 *doesn't* do this. Is there a special setting for this or does Verizon (where I got my TP2) disable this feature? I don't think you have your facts straight... WM might be able to do this, but TP2 *does not*
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Ummm, seriously, out-of-the-box TP2 (I know I just took mine out of the box) the TP2 *doesn't* do this. Is there a special setting for this or does Verizon (where I got my TP2) disable this feature? I don't think you have your facts straight... WM might be able to do this, but TP2 *does not*
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Most definitely does do it. Use Bing, web, or email with phone #s displayed. I can click to dial them.
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Ummm, seriously, out-of-the-box TP2 (I know I just took mine out of the box) the TP2 *doesn't* do this. Is there a special setting for this or does Verizon (where I got my TP2) disable this feature? I don't think you have your facts straight... WM might be able to do this, but TP2 *does not*
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Well, I have the Sprint TP2.... I've never really had this problem. To tell the truth, I am not a big fan of Verizon after they screwed ma a few years back. It wouldn't surprise me if they did.
On a separate note, there are a few places I have seen that it doesn't come up as a clickable link, but that is usually due to poor formatting.
To tell the truth, I rarely use the function. I find TeleNav (or Sprint Navigation, as it is on the sprint phone) to be a much easier way of doing things. Google Maps, Bing, and various other apps are also excellent way of searching for phone numbers. Both Bing (Initally called Windows Live "out of the box" but prompts for update soon after) and TeleNav (I know is available on Sprint phones and most AT&T phones) are available "out of the box" and can do what you are looking for.
If I cannot find a number through them, I know of many mobile sites that offer look-up services that show the phone numbers as links, regardless of what browser you are using.
I guess I had taken it for granted that phone numbers have always been available to me and with very little work, if any.
Maybe it needs further looking into, by both us the consumers, and the makers of our software.
Good luck with Verizon.
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Most definitely does do it. Use Bing, web, or email with phone #s displayed. I can click to dial them.
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What?? Are you sure? So if you go to: http://www.nws.noaa.gov/pa/recordedforecasts.php (using Opera or IE on your TP2) the phone numbers there are links that you can click on? How did you do that? Mine doesn't and right now it is bone stock (about to flash NRG LEO ROM). I have a Verizon TP2.
I'd much prefer Android over WinMo. I tried 6.5 roms on the vogue and disliked it even more than 6.1.
Granted I haven't got to look into WinMo's new market, but the Android one is nice.
Google Maps navigation in 2.0 is really nice.
Push on my Gmail.
Nice integration on my Google Voice.
Or Guava with my Gizmo5 account so I can use Google Voice over 3g data for free phone calls. I have yet to find a good sip program to integrate with gizmo5 and google voice in WinMo.
How much of Android is ported to the TP2? I'm looking at upgrading and don't like Sprint's Android options at the current moment. Wondering about picking up the TP2 and wondering if I could sale it for enough to grab the next android phone. Unless the android port is 100%.