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Now Froyo is supposed to be a major milestone with Android, but, frankly, I think the same thing was said about Android 2.1. I don't care much for the USB tethering (because we already have that), wifi hotspot feature (because I'm not going to use it), and so on, but there are a few major points of things I'm hanging on.
Notably, the supposed performance improvement being 2-5x greater than Android 2.1 That is a big claim and, if true, then the Captivate will be completely lag free on stock. If so, the usability on this phone will just shoot straight up. The smoother transition and animation should also help this greatly.
I'm not too concerned about having Flash 10.1, but Froyo is also supposed to come with numerous other improvements. I know the browser is being updated to support some hardware features, but I hope Google is also improving the general usability of the browser. As it is now, it kind of sucks. Additionally, I also hope the Youtube app is also updated.
Nonetheless, even if all the others remain nothing more than a dream, I, at the least, hope the improvement performance/transitions/animation turns out to be something of substance.
Well, here's to September.
The Captivate has plenty of cpu power... it seems that most of the lag we are expeirencing comes with the filesystem Samsung has chosen to use and it's poor I/O performance. I'm not sure if Froyo will help too much - but I would expect that once 2.2 hits the custom ROM scene will really kick off, and hopefull somebody will implement YAFFS or whatever some of the other phones (Nexus 1, etc) are using.
We may see better battery life if the system needs fewer CPU cycles to accomplish the same tasks it's doing now.
Don't forget - we'll also receive the new kernal which should double the available RAM from 256mb in 2.1 to 512mb in 2.2 - though the system seems to currently report there is currently 325mb aviable. In either case, it will be a big increase - though I'm not really having any memory issues at the moment.
I'm trying not to get too excited for it, but it does make some impressive promises.
^ Well, Samsung does have its own customized version of Android. I'd imagine that the one they're rolling out in September will contain an improved filesystem (as I've heard that Samsung is currently aware of the issue) and, in combination with Froyo's own improvements, should do a lot to help Android perform better.
I wasn't aware of the kernel thing. I don't see how is that possible, though. The Captivate has a total of 512MB RAM, so wouldn't it need a part of that in order to operate normally?
The new kernel in 2.2 has HIMEM support and supports more than 256mb, which is what 2.1 is limited to. I'm not sure if Samsung tweaked the kernel to support the 325mb we have now or how that figure is derived, but right now we can't use all the RAM that the Captivate packs.
^ I looked up info on 'HIGHMEM' and I see what you mean now. The updated kernel supports devices with RAM greater than 256MB RAM. I thought you actually meant that the kernel will make all 512MB available for the user.
Alright, that sounds good. I guess the additional support may be why there is supposed to be increased smoothness and animation.
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Now Froyo is supposed to be a major milestone with Android, but, frankly, I think the same thing was said about Android 2.1. I don't care much for the USB tethering (because we already have that), wifi hotspot feature (because I'm not going to use it), and so on, but there are a few major points of things I'm hanging on.
Notably, the supposed performance improvement being 2-5x greater than Android 2.1 That is a big claim and, if true, then the Captivate will be completely lag free on stock. If so, the usability on this phone will just shoot straight up. The smoother transition and animation should also help this greatly.
I'm not too concerned about having Flash 10.1, but Froyo is also supposed to come with numerous other improvements. I know the browser is being updated to support some hardware features, but I hope Google is also improving the general usability of the browser. As it is now, it kind of sucks. Additionally, I also hope the Youtube app is also updated.
Nonetheless, even if all the others remain nothing more than a dream, I, at the least, hope the improvement performance/transitions/animation turns out to be something of substance.
Well, here's to September.
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I totally agree with you. I couldn't care less about tethering, hotspot or Flash. I never used them and never will. I just don't need them.
The only thing I care about is the speed improvement. I don't really believe it will have 2-5x improvement boost because, well, every claim is exaggerated. But I am expecting something.
That said, I am not too optimistic though. I have tried several Droid 2 in Verizon stores. It's very disappointing. It feels rather sluggish and laggy. Even worse than the Captivate now. And apparently Engadget reviewer agrees with me.
So as much as I welcome the birth of 2.2, I am not as optimistic as others.
And final words, I don't think we'll get the update in Sept. I think Samsung will (hopefully) release it in Sept, but it will take AT&T another month or two to load their crap.
I wish I am wrong.
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And final words, I don't think we'll get the update in Sept. I think Samsung will (hopefully) release it in Sept, but it will take AT&T another month or two to load their crap.
I wish I am wrong.
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Since the test roms that have come out are from Samsung and they already have AT&T crap on them, I believe its safe to assume that Samsung is making the roms for AT&T. So, there should be no extra step for AT&T to load their crap...it should come directly from Samsung.
Considering 2.2 has gotten a ton of praise from other phones that are already using it I'm sure our Froyo will be a worthwhile upgrade as well. Sure, Samsung might screw the pooch on some things again, but overall it will be better.
This isn't Windoze, how can an upgrade be disappointing?
Bring on the Froyo!
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This isn't Windoze, how can an upgrade be disappointing?
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I am sure an update is always good. But if it doesn't meet the high expectations, it will be a disappointment. And I think the expectations are pretty high.
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That said, I am not too optimistic though. I have tried several Droid 2 in Verizon stores. It's very disappointing. It feels rather sluggish and laggy. Even worse than the Captivate now. And apparently Engadget reviewer agrees with me.
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Whoa, looks like I was a bit outdated. I actually hadn't realize Motorola's Droid 2 was using Froyo already (I still thought the Nexus One was the only phone that had it ).
Regarding the September release, I actually thought it was taking until September because Samsung is currently modifying all of their Froyo ROMs for each individual smartphone/carrier. After all, Froyo has technically been released already, so why else is Samsung taking until September to officially release it to all of their handsets?
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Considering 2.2 has gotten a ton of praise from other phones that are already using it I'm sure our Froyo will be a worthwhile upgrade as well. Sure, Samsung might screw the pooch on some things again, but overall it will be better.
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That's just the thing, though. As I said, prior Android releases have garnered praise too. Eclair has gotten praise and was said to improve hardware performance, have a better browser UI, improved virtual keyboard, and so on. Of those three, I think the only one I would agree has truly improved is the virtual keyboard (I think the Android keyboard works very well on Eclair). The other listed improvements? Not so much.
Of course, Froyo will be better overall, but I just hope it's actually a milestone release with the proclaimed changes making a big difference instead of just steadily updating the platform with people telling me afterwards to wait for Gingerbread.
When reviews from places like Gizmodo, Engadget, Boy Genius etc say that they think 2.2 is a worthy step up from 2.1, I tend to take it as truth.
Regardless of any of that, all of the goodness from 2.2 is dependent on Samsung/ATT because they have the power to muck it up badly as they did with 2.1.
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When reviews from places like Gizmodo, Engadget, Boy Genius etc say that they think 2.2 is a worthy step up from 2.1, I tend to take it as truth.
Regardless of any of that, all of the goodness from 2.2 is dependent on Samsung/ATT because they have the power to muck it up badly as they did with 2.1.
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Really? I find engadget and gizmodo to be awful at everything but aggregating news. Their opinions are always so uninformed and seem to be governed by whatever the fashionable opinion at the time.
Their product reviews are pretty good, or at the very least talk about the things most people would care about.
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After all, Froyo has technically been released already, so why else is Samsung taking until September to officially release it to all of their handsets?
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Samsung needs to customize it for its hardware and put on Twisted-Wiz UI. It's slow.
That's just the thing, though. As I said, prior Android releases have garnered praise too. Eclair has gotten praise and was said to improve hardware performance, have a better browser UI, improved virtual keyboard, and so on. Of those three, I think the only one I would agree has truly improved is the virtual keyboard (I think the Android keyboard works very well on Eclair). The other listed improvements? Not so much.
Of course, Froyo will be better overall, but I just hope it's actually a milestone release with the proclaimed changes making a big difference instead of just steadily updating the platform with people telling me afterwards to wait for Gingerbread.
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I don't believe a 0.1 upgrade will be considered as milestone. We will definitely see speed improvement. But it's normal for every update. You always wait for the next update. It's always snappier.
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When reviews from places like Gizmodo, Engadget, Boy Genius etc say that they think 2.2 is a worthy step up from 2.1, I tend to take it as truth.
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Of cause it's gonna be a worthy update. It's always worthy to upgrade to the next version. The question is, is it going to be as dramatic as they claimed? Personally, I don't think so.
cappysw10 said:
This isn't Windoze, how can an upgrade be disappointing?
Bring on the Froyo!
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Gotta love windows haters...
Any way, I cannot wait for froyo because I want to be able to move apps to the SD, to use flash without having to use Skyfire and using the extra memory should help too.
Plus I am expecting a TON of ROMs when it comes out so slowly but surely they phone would be maximize.
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...be able to move apps to the SD...
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Quoted for truth
I am more looking forward to an official lag fix and GPS fix moreso than Froyo.
I just read somewhere that JIT was written for the snapdragon processors and that while it may give us a little performance it wasn't really written for the hummingbird processor in our phones...so the chances of Samsung rewriting it just for us is probably very slim
The claims of 2-5x performance increase do seem hard to believe, but I believe these figures came from actual testing on the Nexus One running 2.2. Of course, I think we all know how reliable benchmarks are...
September is only a few hours away... where is our Froyo!!
ok so i have been a faithful android fan since the first droid, then i got incredible on verizon, loved them both but hated battery life of inc, hated slow updates but i fixed that with cyanogen mod. so i hate the skins the manufacturers add to the phone cause it slows them down and makes them slower to get updates, i love android stock expierience, but verizon doesnt really offer a decent phone with that. the problems i have with android are the lack of polish and overall not the greatest user expierience and inconsistant behavior in the os lol. i changed to a iphone because a lack of good android phones and i like the consistant aproach apple took even tho i dont like apple or the iphone all that much. so ive been eyeing wp7 for a while. i like the ui, but verizon is just now getting its first wp7 phone the htc trophy, not the best phone, but is wp7 worth it? give me some advantages and stuff i would like, to help me decide if i should get it. also i just bought a dx2 and talk about a buggy and inconsistant phone, i cant handle the constant freezing and unsmoothness feeling of the overall os on the phone, so im gonna return it, just trying to decide to get a wp7 or a dif android phone. thanks fellas
Stick with android and get samsung galaxy s 2.
don't get a WP7 phone until the 2nd gen devices rolling out and mango update is available.
Well i would get the sgs2 but verizon doesnt have it lol. Verizon has no good android phones right now, i have the dx2 and it pretty much sucks haha
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ok so i have been a faithful android fan since the first droid, then i got incredible on verizon, loved them both but hated battery life of inc, hated slow updates but i fixed that with cyanogen mod. so i hate the skins the manufacturers add to the phone cause it slows them down and makes them slower to get updates, i love android stock expierience, but verizon doesnt really offer a decent phone with that. the problems i have with android are the lack of polish and overall not the greatest user expierience and inconsistant behavior in the os lol. i changed to a iphone because a lack of good android phones and i like the consistant aproach apple took even tho i dont like apple or the iphone all that much. so ive been eyeing wp7 for a while. i like the ui, but verizon is just now getting its first wp7 phone the htc trophy, not the best phone, but is wp7 worth it? give me some advantages and stuff i would like, to help me decide if i should get it. also i just bought a dx2 and talk about a buggy and inconsistant phone, i cant handle the constant freezing and unsmoothness feeling of the overall os on the phone, so im gonna return it, just trying to decide to get a wp7 or a dif android phone. thanks fellas
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WP7 is IMO way way under developed. If you get one, you will probably miss your Android a ton. I suggest stick with Android for another year or so, maybe then you can try WP7 when it's worth trying.
Bravo, do u have a wp7 device??
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Do they have a 30 day trial period like sprint? I had an android device and was going to get an EVO or Epic but decided to try the Arrive with WP7. I was thinking that I would probably give it back and stay with android, but I ended up keeping the Arrive and am very happy.
There are some features lacking with WP7 but its definitely a good system.
"the problems i have with android are the lack of polish and overall not the greatest user expierience and inconsistant behavior in the os lol"
Like you that is alot of what I felt about android.
I like tweaking and fooling around with just about every piece of electronics I get my hands on, but sometimes I just want things to work... like my phone...
Anyways, if you like using your phone like a computer then keep android if you want it to work like a phone with computing abilities then get WP7
Nrk112. Yea there is a 15 day trial period so i have over a week left, yea im to the point where i just want the phone to work and be smooth. That is the main thing i enjoyed about iphone but i just hate apple so i got rid of it haha. Is it fast and smooth always??
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wp7 is one of the smothest OSes I have ever used (as smooth and consistent as any iProduct you will get). And it is very fast! You will always get stock experience on windows phone 7 and updates are very fast if u don't get a samsung phone (or an AT&T) however, updates are pushed by microsoft rather than the carriers or the OEMs. If u get a windows phone 7, u will not regret it!
The lack of multitasking isnt a big problem? It looks crazy smooth in videos ive seen, wish mango was out already and verizon would get a little better choice than the trophy hahah
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ok so i have been a faithful android fan since the first droid, then i got incredible on verizon, loved them both but hated battery life of inc, hated slow updates but i fixed that with cyanogen mod. so i hate the skins the manufacturers add to the phone cause it slows them down and makes them slower to get updates, i love android stock expierience, but verizon doesnt really offer a decent phone with that. the problems i have with android are the lack of polish and overall not the greatest user expierience and inconsistant behavior in the os lol. i changed to a iphone because a lack of good android phones and i like the consistant aproach apple took even tho i dont like apple or the iphone all that much. so ive been eyeing wp7 for a while. i like the ui, but verizon is just now getting its first wp7 phone the htc trophy, not the best phone, but is wp7 worth it? give me some advantages and stuff i would like, to help me decide if i should get it. also i just bought a dx2 and talk about a buggy and inconsistant phone, i cant handle the constant freezing and unsmoothness feeling of the overall os on the phone, so im gonna return it, just trying to decide to get a wp7 or a dif android phone. thanks fellas
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With the Mango update, WP7 will be incredibly more attractive. It's already the smoothest, cleanest system available. It has excellent games, and Zune is superior. Android is a very nice system...depending on the brand you buy, of course...but is pales in comparison the heavy-hitting media capabilities of WP7. Android has great media capabilities but it can't compare to Zune and XBOX. WP7 is also much more reliable than Android, now that NoDo has arrived.
With all of the outstanding features to arrive with Mango, there just won't be any choice any longer. WP7 will be the only real player. I was always more fond of Bing voice nav, which I used in WinMo 6.5, than Google nav, and when Mango brings Bing voice nav to WP7, there will no longer be anything the other systems have over WP7. It will also have the world's best multitasking....or app switching for some people. Android has multitasking and app switching, but there really is no way to single out the apps to kill them easily. You can install auto killers and Android has a quick app switcher built in, but the best you can make Android won't compare to WP7's set up.
Hang on till Mango gets here and then do some testing.
I doubt that Verizon will be getting any new WP7 devices soon seeing that lack of attention that Verizon gives to WP. So if you need a phone now, get the Trophy and you'll get the Mango update.
If you are not in a rush though, you may hold out to see if Verizon is releasing any new Windows Phone. Perhaps hell will freeze over!
Instead of taking someone's else word or opinion about WP7, why don't you hit a store or a friend and go try one out for a few minutes... it will make a ton of a difference.
Oh no.... here we go again.
Closing this now before the inevitable happens.
Apologies to the op for what may seem to be an unfair closure of your thread but these ones never end well.
There are a good number of threads on this subject you can search for and you'll see what I mean.
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I just read this article, a good eye opener for those craving for ICS
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2394929,00.asp
Google needs to look to Microsoft as an example of how to get updates right. Compared to the grinding misery of the Android non-update schedule, Microsoft's transition from Windows Phone 7 to Mango is going pretty smoothly.
Like Google, Microsoft has to deal with different OEMs and get its software approved by carriers. Like Google, Microsoft has to deal with different form factors—phones with physical keyboards and without, for instance.
Yes, Apple gets it right too, but that's a little boring; Apple has only one OEM (itself) and a handful of models, so it's much easier to push out updates to iPhones and iPads.
Earlier this year, Google and its OEMs formed a consortium to pledge to deliver prompt updates, but absolutely zero concrete work has come out of that group. Every single U.S. Windows Phone will update to Mango within weeks. Two-year-old iPhones can get iOS 5. But owners of Android phones and tablets just a few months old have no clue when, or whether their gadgets will get Ice Cream Sandwich (or for that matter, sometimes still even Gingerbread.)
Microsoft keeps its Windows Phone line down to one screen resolution and chipset, and doesn't allow manufacturers to skin the OS. I don't want to see Google take on the first requirement, as competition between chip manufacturers has been a major force driving Android's advances. But even if one chipset at a time got Android updates, it would still be a major step forward.
If manufacturer skins are really stopping updates, it may finally be time for Google to find a way to punish OEMs that can't keep up with the pace of change. Google likes to trumpet its openy-ness, but the company has always blessed and punished OEMs by giving or withholding the Android Market and Gmail apps that are necessary to have a decent Android device. Google needs to set a time limit for OEMs to implement changes.
Ice Cream Sandwich looks great. So when can we get it, how can we find apps for it, and how can app developers address the widest variety of Android devices easily? That's what Google needs to answer clearly and concisely.
and it made me think alot.
I'm an android fan, but i feel this author's opinion is quite true.
whats the point of having a good and new OS but its just available on a over priced nexus phone?
android updates are slow (i mean around 6 months or probably never). and silly manufacturers are further delaying it by their custom UI. This is just sad sad news for android.
i better stop reading news about ICS, just to make myself less miserable.
in my country, malaysia, the sgs2 is still at 2.3.3. which is another reason to forget about the ICS.
I agree, that's probably the biggest stumbling block of Android. When Apple fanboys say, "When Apple releases iOS 5, most iPhones (3GS onwards) can join in the party immediately. With Android, you have to wait and you might not even get the update at all", I have no response to that, because they are right.
One thing though, Microsoft controls the hardware specs of WP7 phones very closely. Sure there's differences here and there, but not as far reaching as a Galaxy 3 vs a Galaxy S2.
Well, heres my opinion about this subject:
No, it will not make things worst, i have been using android since donut with an HTC Magic, from which i had tried 2.1 and 2.2. Never resourcing from HTC's official releases.
I'll put it simple, for someone who needs a smartphone, almost every verion of android will do, you get to manage emails on the go, music, photos, market+apps, you get the point.
Now for someone that takes "what version of android i'm running" into consideration, there are solutions to run the latest. Me for example, i do take it into consideration, and i'm running 2.3.5 on a LG2X which only has 2.2 officially.
If this was real reality, what about X86 OS's? i mean, win3.1, win95, win98, win98ME, win2K, winXP, winVISTA, win7 and now win8... And im only talking about microsoft.
Theres no such thing has fragmentation. As for the development problems regarding which target android version will "I" develop to. Cmon, theres good coding or bad coding. OFC theres some API's that are only available since version X of the android version, but still, good coding would prevent the use of this API even if it means having less functionality.
I believe android is in the right track, ICS looks to have some nice improvements, although the main development i saw was design ("Make me awesome"), i believe there has been some improvements regarding stability+smoothness+usability.
Next stop is: "Google needs to look to Microsoft as an example of how to get updates right." Wait a second, google has made the most successful mobile OS and it needs to look to Microsoft for *whatever*?
"Yes, Apple gets it right too" No! if in Sascha's opinion Fragmentation is a problem, Apple is having the same issue, but it is coming later than android, mainly due to the 23454345672384 OEM's android has versus the 1 OEM Apple has! I mean, 1 oem, 1 OS = iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, iPod Touch Xgen, iPad, iPad 2.. FFS! fragmentation? a single oem has made more devices than most android OEM's has! (not true, but quite)
[EDIT] Sorry im berserking.
"Microsoft keeps its Windows Phone line down to one screen resolution and chipset" if this was done in the Android habitat, there would be no sense in making different versions, varying prices, and so on. Fragmentation is good in some aspects, one of them being the different prices devices can get.
As for the version and updates problem, how about attacking the OEM's itself instead of Google? Since google is the main "victim" of this article, google has made all it can do to get it "corrected" (if this is a problem) and it even does not own the OEM's companies! All phones launched by google have had some nice updates, keeping it with the most recent OS all the time. (Yes i'm talking about the nexus lineup, Nexus One is 2 years old, so i guess it will not get ICS, still iphone 2G will not get iOS 5 neither.)
[EDIT2] Now i'm haywire.
Just take a look at the article comments, the writer ends up having no arguments. FFS He's calling WP7 an example for updates! saying that the OS provider has the obligation the get OEM's in line...NO! thats the good thing about Android, it is free, free to use, and free to transform. Every OEM is responsible for what they do with the devices they sell, and the OS they ship it with.
Thats like saying that my Dinossaur pc doesn't run windows 7 and call it Microsoft's fault, because my PC only have 96MB of Ram! Isn't that almost Apple-fanboy talk? The os provider must develop the HW for it to run properly.
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When Apple fanboys say, "When Apple releases iOS 5, most iPhones (3GS onwards) can join in the party immediately. With Android, you have to wait and you might not even get the update at all", I have no response to that, because they are right.
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That is true, except for one thing. There is a response.
If you want iOS, you have the choice of black or white. If you want Android then you have the choice of hundreds of different devices. It's a trade-off that I am more than happy with. I prefer choice over regular updates, especially when the OS is already good enough anyway.
Usually you get leaked firmwares before official release anyway. So I don't see the issue.
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Usually you get leaked firmwares before official release anyway. So I don't see the issue.
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I don't think that's a valid point since only a small minority of Android users know about xda and the fact that you can flash ROMs. Every iPhone user in the world will know about OTA updates.
Sorry but there's no apple fanboy like Joshua Toposlky, he is the only one in the world (sarcasm =P) that can see the bright side of both sides of the war.
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I don't think that's a valid point since only a small minority of Android users know about xda and the fact that you can flash ROMs.
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Thats why i did say that for a smartphone user, every android version will sufice.
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Every iPhone user in the world will know about OTA updates.
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This is almost not noticeable in the android environment because of the OEM's, not google's fault
[EDIT] OMFG! Now this is stupid, this is SO STUPID! Check this out, he makes a table of the new features that the new iOS can do, an compares it to other OS's... so lets start:
Location Based Reminders: Only iOS
Quick Camera Acess: iOS and WP7
Advanced Photo Editing tools: Only iOS
Advanced Voice Commands: Only iOS
My answer to this is: I am not going to open another URL coming from PCmag
The way Android works is that Google do not have that much control over it after the OS is designed, it gets open-sourced then it is down to each individual OEM to build a rom and get their carrier partners to approve it.
Google have deliberately chosen to not do it the more formal way as it will defeat the entire original purpose that android had.
Obviously there is more complicated steps in the process when it comes to the licencing of Gapps....
However google and the other major partners have expressed their wish to reduce fragmentation and move to ICS as soon as possible, but that article was right in that we have not been given any strict words. However any phone currently running android 2.3 and is still getting worked on (i.e. not EOL) should receive an ICS update. I know that samsung are working on very quick timetables and the SGS2 rom should be out very quickly, but based on the past experience companies like HTC may take a very long time.
in WP7 Microsoft give a rom to the OEMS to do very minor tweaks, this is then approved and released.
I think what people are missing
Here guys is the fact that android os is the only open source os out of three three majors!
This means that u don't really need the oems to have latest up to date os version. As we can c clearly in the case of cynogenmod project. Moreover, the android build it's reputation on being the most comprehensive os with most capabilities to consume the most of the hardware. This is a big plus for everybody.
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in my country, malaysia, the sgs2 is still at 2.3.3. which is another reason to forget about the ICS.
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I have just read this now, and i must say WTF? what you mean? you want 2.3.7? You have officially the latest released Android version, and you call it "still"?
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I have just read this now, and i must say WTF? what you mean? you want 2.3.7? You have officially the latest released Android version, and you call it "still"?
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I'm sorry i offended you. Please dont get upset.
but the upgrading firmware or version is very frustrating.
i saw in youtube and other tech website that the latest gingerbread is 2.3.5,
2.3.4 suppose to have the video call in google talk
2.3.5 suppose to have better battery life.
(i hope i'm not mistaken)
dont you feel its sad? i spend a big BIG sum of money to buy this phone (RM2099), and naturally i expect it will have good support. OTA updates should be ideal, KIES is acceptable as well, but 2.3.5 is no where to be seen even on KIES.
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I'm sorry i offended you. Please dont get upset.
but the upgrading firmware or version is very frustrating.
i saw in youtube and other tech website that the latest gingerbread is 2.3.5,
2.3.4 suppose to have the video call in google talk
2.3.5 suppose to have better battery life.
(i hope i'm not mistaken)
dont you feel its sad? i spend a big BIG sum of money to buy this phone (RM2099), and naturally i expect it will have good support. OTA updates should be ideal, KIES is acceptable as well, but 2.3.5 is no where to be seen even on KIES.
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Ray1, i'm not upset, don't get me wrong =P i just thought you were saying that you wanted ICS now, and that you were frustraded that you didn't had. i'm only upset by PCMAG by it's acumulated stupidity.
As for the updates, there are a lot of 2.3.4/5 roms in the SGSII development sub-forum, why dont you try to flash one?
Another thing about firmware and OEM's updates:
When i buy a car, i dont expect it to be upgraded when the next generation of engines are released. When i buy a car i bought it because i needed it or i wanted it as it was being sold.
If you want the latest hardware in your phones, then don't expect to have the latest software.
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If you want the latest hardware in your phones, then don't expect to have the latest software.
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This doesn't make a lot of sense
Ray1 said:
I'm sorry i offended you. Please dont get upset.
but the upgrading firmware or version is very frustrating.
i saw in youtube and other tech website that the latest gingerbread is 2.3.5,
2.3.4 suppose to have the video call in google talk
2.3.5 suppose to have better battery life.
(i hope i'm not mistaken)
dont you feel its sad? i spend a big BIG sum of money to buy this phone (RM2099), and naturally i expect it will have good support. OTA updates should be ideal, KIES is acceptable as well, but 2.3.5 is no where to be seen even on KIES.
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There is no Google talk video call in 2.3.4 nor 2.3.5..
the fact that the author wrote "Google needs to look to Microsoft as an example of how to get updates right" made him lose any ounce of credibility that he had (if he had any to begin with.)
they released WP 7 without half of the proven needs on a smartphone (eg. cut and paste), released an "update" which was basically a primer for your phone to be able to OTA update when the new "patch" was released. and it didn't even adress the issues that had people *****ing about the phone. Mango was promised to be released last year, and it's already october 2011. I got rid of my windows phone within 3 months of buying on.
so what if apple releases iOS 5 to all iphone users? half of them probably doesn't even know what's on the new OS. the other half are still marvelling over siri as some technological breakthrough. it has got to be the most boring OS i've seen. everyone holding an iOS phone/tablet/ipod looks the same as the other person holding it. oh great, you can change the wallpaper...whoopdiedoo...and buy a 200 dollar case for it! wowie.
i was a loyal windows mobile user for many many years, having used them since O2 still manufactured awesome products. I loved it for how much I could customize it to suit how I'd like it to be. I'm not paying 1000 bucks and have the company tell me how I should want it to look. I'm sorry, but a homescreen with 16 icons on it just doesn't look appealing to me. I have been blown away by what the android OS can do.
how ICS release can be bad for android users baffles me. I bet the author was wetting himself when apple launched the white iphone.
This ''issue'' can be avoided by installing CM7. This way your phone is like a nexus and has the latest updates.
Umm this isn't really google's fault by any means; whether or not ICS comes to our devices is up to the manufacturers, and it's is up to us as consumers to let them know that we don't want a customized UI, but standard android instead.
Vote with your wallets and send manufacturers complaint letters and you shall have what you wish for. Just look at the locked boot loaders issue as an example of what can be done when enough people complain and commit to a cause.
1) don't rely on Official Roms all the time, plenty of leaks for 2.3.4 and 2.3.5 have surfaced
2) Just because you are not yet on 2.3.4 doesn't mean you won't get ICS, you don't have to go up every single OS step in order...
Again Android liberty. You can pick the OEM. If you want the fastest update buy a nexus. Slower OEMs will sell lesser product in the future. And I didn't get the idea of the article. Is limiting the OSs with resolution and chips a good thing? If so what are we doing here?
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Hellot there i just received a new tablet for christmas abd i wanted to learn some new things.
First oglf all i have to admit it that i am new to this android scene. I am a fan of apple but wheb it comes to tablets i guess abdroid has an advantage. whatever this is not the purpose of my message.
What i wabted to know is this: I received an Le Pan tc 970 but i saw they got the new Le Pan 2ut with the honeycomb support . My question is: is it worth rerurning this current tablet to buy the new one just because it has a new firmware on it? Or the hobeycomb isnt that much of a deal abd I should keep this one? Any advantages to buy the ther one in comparasion to this ine except it is new? Does it have much more feature than 2.2?
If not I know abdroid is the world of customizations... but i dont seem to get it. Do i need to root my system in order to makee tose customizatiobs available? I didnt ser that much themes for this tablet... also it doesbt even have its own section... Is it because the tablet isnt that popular?
Finally could i have some few threads to get me started? I kniw pretty much abiut apple... but Andriid is completly new to me!
Thanks! And sorry for all of the mistakes... The keyboard makes my mind go nuts... it is too big!
Honeycomb (Android 3.0) is newer version than froyo (2.2).
If you can get one with Ice Cream Sandwich (Android 4.0) then it is worth returning it
and get a new one.
Most of the tablets are running Froyo or Gingerbread (Android 2.3) .
Honeycomb is closed source, google has not released its software to public.
All other versions as of now are open source AOSP (Android Open Source Platform)
ask them whether it can be upgraded to ICS (4.0)
Well honeycomb is kinda better for tablets since it has a tablet ui but now since they released ics you should check if your tablet is getting the ics update which has a bunch of new features and if it doesn't i think you should get one with the new os.
Right! Look for ics update. It is much better
I don'T think there are many tables with ICS...? Am I wrong? And what about a starter guide?
I saw some articles on the internet. (mostly rumours) that ICS 4.0.5 would be released for the Nexus S i9020a (for all variants for that matter). Does anyone have any more knowledge on this?
Anyways, so i guess i'm unrooting and returning to stock so that I can get the OTA update. Hopefully it will be out this month
EDIT: Any i9020a users who have received the 4.0.4 update either in the united states (AT&T) or in canada (fido/rogers) please post!
I wish man... but I gotta say this silence from Google is just plain annoying. Yes, I can root and install a ROM (which I already did, running BuglessBeast!) But to ignore every single Thread in their mobile forums regarding the OTA is the worst Customer Support ever.
rasengan82 said:
I wish man... but I gotta say this silence from Google is just plain annoying. Yes, I can root and install a ROM (which I already did, running BuglessBeast!) But to ignore every single Thread in their mobile forums regarding the OTA is the worst Customer Support ever.
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I feel yaa! I hate it. I was running BugglessBeast too but just returned it to stock so that I can get the OTA update. Just being safe I'll be patient this month. If it doesn't come out by this month I'll root again and run bugless beast. There's something about official updates that makes me wanna have em over custom roms. Don't know what it is lol
Yup, I am sure I will get the Stock OTA from Google and then flash back to BuglessBeast or CM9 again LOL.
rasengan82 said:
Yup, I am sure I will get the Stock OTA from Google and then flash back to BuglessBeast or CM9 again LOL.
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nicee I'm waiting this month. I really hope it comes out. Do you know their official site or something where I can follow them? Like I'm following them on twitter for now. Anything else?
Me too, I am just following GoogleNexus from Twitter.
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Me too, I am just following GoogleNexus from Twitter.
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They hardly ever update their status. I wish they could tell us at what stage they're in for the ICS OTA update or at least tell us if we will be getting it or not. I would rather know that I'm not getting the ICS update rather than being left on the edge of my seat for monthsss.. It's been eternity ughh
EDIT: Couldn't stand being on gingerbread. I missed all the features of ICS (especially panorama shot ) So I rooted and went back to the bugless beast rom. LOOOL FTW
I seen a chart of ICS UPDATE release dates somewhere that had NEXUS S receiving the update in MARCH and that's all I've been able to find so I'm really hoping its correct (balls crossed) Have any other PHONES received the update as of yet????? If not then that's a real good sign we're still gonna get it. -KID ANDROID
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I seen a chart of ICS UPDATE release dates somewhere that had NEXUS S receiving the update in MARCH and that's all I've been able to find so I'm really hoping its correct (balls crossed) Have any other PHONES received the update as of yet????? If not then that's a real good sign we're still gonna get it. -KID ANDROID
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I've seen that chart too! Let's hope it speaks the truth.
I personally love the ics aosp roms. They will defiantly be better than ota
Don't see how the ota will be better. Plus who needs ota when the custums run so buttery smooth and have such great features.
Edit: as for my signature
I just jumped boat to VGNexus and am loving life. Cheers.
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Why concerned that much about unrooting and back to stock ? The xda forums will bring the official update even before Google knows about it lol..
^^^^^^^^
Ain't that the truth!
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All articles about 4.0.5 are related to the same french carrier website (SFR). And more especially the dedicated to Android part of the support website.
http://android.sfr.fr/maj-optimisez-votre-mobile-android-mettez-le-a-jour-previsions-7
As a french native speaker, I've been through the page and the comment section below.
On the top of the page you can see a picture according to wich the 4.0.5 OTA is comming to both Galaxy Nexus and Nexus S in march.
Of course, people are asking for a more accurate release date in the comment section wich SFR of course won't provide : still they seem to confirm the 4.0.5 update in March.
"ICS est prévu pour Mars pour le Nexus S !"
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"ICS is planned for March for the Nexus S !"
(posted by "Team Club SFR Android" on 2012-02-08)
Knowing the fact that Nexus's updates usually come directly from Google (*), we may expect the OTA before the end of the month.
Though, I believe most of the SFR Nexus S are the i9023 (almost the same, screen appart as the i9020T if I'm not mistaken) as this is the most common variant in Europe (this is in fact the one I bought from France myself, living in a very near country).
(*) wich they confirm also in the comment section :
"En effet le Galaxy Nexus reçoit la MAJ par Google !
SFR valide le soft mais c’est bien Google qui se charge de la diffusion."
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"Indeed the Galaxy Nexus receives the update from Google !
SFR approves the soft(ware) but it's Google who takes care of the diffusion."
(posted by "Team Club SFR Android" on 2012-02-08)
Cheers.
csrnxs said:
All articles about 4.0.5 are related to the same french carrier website (SFR). And more especially the dedicated to Android part of the support website.
http://android.sfr.fr/maj-optimisez-votre-mobile-android-mettez-le-a-jour-previsions-7
As a french native speaker, I've been through the page and the comment section below.
On the top of the page you can see a picture according to wich the 4.0.5 OTA is comming to both Galaxy Nexus and Nexus S in march.
Of course, people are asking for a more accurate release date in the comment section wich SFR of course won't provide : still they seem to confirm the 4.0.5 update in March.
"ICS est prévu pour Mars pour le Nexus S !"
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"ICS is planned for March for the Nexus S !"
(posted by "Team Club SFR Android" on 2012-02-08)
Knowing the fact that Nexus's updates usually come directly from Google (*), we may expect the OTA before the end of the month.
Though, I believe most of the SFR Nexus S are the i9023 (almost the same, screen appart as the i9020T if I'm not mistaken) as this is the most common variant in Europe (this is in fact the one I bought from France myself, living in a very near country).
(*) wich they confirm also in the comment section :
"En effet le Galaxy Nexus reçoit la MAJ par Google !
SFR valide le soft mais c’est bien Google qui se charge de la diffusion."
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"Indeed the Galaxy Nexus receives the update from Google !
SFR approves the soft(ware) but it's Google who takes care of the diffusion."
(posted by "Team Club SFR Android" on 2012-02-08)
Cheers.
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Oh man.. Does that mean that there might not be an update for the i9020a. That's not fair at all most Nexus S are already updated to ICS except for the i9020a which is still on 2.3.6.... some even on 2.3.4 NOT FAIR GOOGLE... NOT FAIR
At this point, there is no clue wether the i9020a will or won't get the update. All I can say is that SFR wich seems to be the only source of all this articles talking about the upcoming 4.0.5 update is I think mostly (I guess only) using i9023 variant of the NS. As they will only approve the update Google will release for their SFR variant (i9023), it's impossible to tell wich variants the update will target. My point is they are talking about the i9023 on their website but still the update could be sent to all NS variants directly from Google. In fact SFR is really almost nothing in the update process. They are just (as a carrier company) I guess somehow more informed about the upcoming update. They seem to confirm March for the update but refuse/can't (it depends on the dev progress and will to release the update, not on them) to give a more accurate date as I stated in my previous comment.
Any guesses what's new in v4.0.5?
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Any guesses what's new in v4.0.5?
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Only thing i know is that the battery drain is gonna be fixed.
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As JBQ noted yesterday on Twitter, 4.0.4 isn't even done:
@rhcp011235 No, I didn't I confirmed that 4.0.4 isn't done yet
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He also said yesterday:
It's not ready yet, so any pre-announcement would run the risk of being inaccurate.
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So, afaik, this "report" is totally false. They aren't even done with 4.0.4. When it is done, then they will deal with pushing out OTAs.
I wonder why people with gingerbread (I can only assumed they did not root because of warranty) care about 4.0.5 when they don't even have 4 at all, or why people with rooted Nexus S care to unroot when they can probably get a better custom ROM than 4.x stock can offer...
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I wonder why people with gingerbread (I can only assumed they did not root because of warranty) care about 4.0.5 when they don't even have 4 at all, or why people with rooted Nexus S care to unroot when they can probably get a better custom ROM than 4.x stock can offer...
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Dude... stock is the S**t! Nothing beats stock. Not even custom ROMs. Sure, Custom ROMs may be faster etc. But official is official and you can't beat official.