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Rogers Fatal1ty-Hero-Full-v1-4 getting hot!!

Hello,
I have flashed my Rogers htc magic with the Rogers Fatal1ty-Hero-Full-v1-4 and it is getting hot. Has anyone else had this problem.
Thanks,
CyberMobile

Rogers HTC Magic Overheating and Battery Drain with Hero rom.
Hello,
Has anyone had there rogers htc magic overheat or battery drain fast. I have been with the hero rom flash from Fatal1ty hero full v1-4.
If you know of a better roger htc magic hero rom to use please post a dl link.
Thanks,
CyberMobile

Heat
Hi,
I was running the 1.4 and now the 1.2 rom and the only time mine heated up was when on charge. Are you charging your with BT and WIFI on at the same time?? My understanding of heat issues in general across most phone models and platforms comes down to a BT or WIFI being turned on...
Cheers,
Ben

Yes I do have Wifi on when charging. I will try turning off and see if heating goes away with charging. I am finding that the phone is staying hot even after charging. Another thing I have found is the battery doesn't last any time at all. Maybe 5-6 hours at best. I am not even using the phone of browsing.
Can you tell me why you have gone back to version 1.2?
Thanks,
CyberMobile

Performance.
Hi CyberMobile,
Myself and a few others that I have read about have had major performance issues with 1.4. I tried 1.4 for a couple of weeks and over time it got noticeably slower. To the point it was taking minutes for the Rosie desktop to start after closing an app. I flashed 1.2 over the weekend and it also has noticeable lag but still much fast then 1.4. This has been my experience, I cannt speak for everyone and it is highly likely that it is directly related to the fact the 32B has only 192MB of RAM instead of what the 32A model has which is 288MB. I have also read many others being perfectly ok so who knows. With battery life on your phone I would also take into account and polling intervals you have set for exchange active sync if you use it or any other applications. The shorter you polling intervals you have set for these types of apps the harder your phone will be working.
Cheers
Ben
Australian Vodafone HTC Magic (32B - aka crappy 192MB of RAM.)

re: Heat
My Rogers HTC Magic has been heating up big time. I was confused as to why and I also found it difficult to find anyone else on the internet complaining about the same problem, until now.
I called Rogers late last week to ask them about the heating up issue. My device heats up at the bottom section mainly (behind the buttons and scroll ball). Even holding the device has made me feel uneasy, as it heats up my hand considerably - not sure if this is just the device heating up, or if it's cooking my body up through EMF.
Rogers said that they didn't hear of any heat problems/reports, so they sent me out a new device. I should be getting it tomorrow or Wednesday at the latest.
By the way, it was heating up with the Hero ROM, so I decided to switch back to the original Rogers image and it TOO is heating up like a mofo.
Will keep you updated...

Maybe your body is too cold

computerdan said:
MMy device heats up at the bottom section mainly (behind the buttons and scroll ball).
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The antenna is down there, so it makes sense.
I wouldn't worry about EMF though, the waves are simply too fat to do any cellular damage.

Not really surprised that there's more heat really.. I mean you are overclocking the CPU (384MHz -> 528MHz) in most of these roms remember - and it's being taxed more because the ROM itself is more demanding than cupcake was.

Radix999 said:
Not really surprised that there's more heat really.. I mean you are overclocking the CPU (384MHz -> 528MHz) in most of these roms remember - and it's being taxed more because the ROM itself is more demanding than cupcake was.
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Unfortunately, this is also happening in the original unrooted stock ROM.

22hrs Std. Battery on GB and Sense 3.0 = YES!

OK, so I know there has been a lot of b*tching about the Tbolt battery life, especially if you are running Gingerbread and a Sense 2.1 or 3.0 ROM (I am running BAMF 3.0 R4.9). I just may have solved this issue when you can connect to a WiFi access point!
Using a program called Tasker, I have created specific profiles that actually help save my battery as well as do a lot of other things to make life easier. The learning curve is somewhat steep for non-Tech geeks, but it's not too difficult after you get the hang of it. (I think the only version of Tasker in the market is pay for use, but you can get a free trial from the Dev's website directly.)
On to how I can get a 22+ hour standard TBolt battery:
1st new profile:
-Called "WiFi"
-Context = WiFi Connected (Any SSID)
-Task = NET>WiFi Sleep>Never
2nd new profile:
-Called "Dim Screen"
-Context = Power Source Any, click "Invert" button (so when the phone is not charging).
-Task = Display>Display Brightness>Set to "20" and check "Immediate Effect" (you can certainly change it to something higher, but you may not get nearly the same battery life).
On WiFi, I can get almost 23 hours of battery. On 4G, I can get upwards of 8 hours, 3G I have yet to test.
Since LTE was just turned on near where I live, I noticed that my TBolt was making WiFi sleep while it sat in my pocket not in use, therefor switching to 4G/LTE and draining the battery. The brightness obviously helps when I am not plugged in no matter if I am 3G/4G/WiFi.
I have some other useful profiles setup. Like I have the phone screen go to Auto Brightness and into the Sense Dock Mode when the phone is charging. My favorite is the Car Dock Profile... when the phone goes into my Car Dock, the Bluetooth turns on, GPS goes on, and Google Music Starts.
I am a big fan of Tasker now... there are a lot of possibilities with the program!

WorldOfJohnboy said:
OK, so I know there has been a lot of b*tching about the Tbolt battery life, especially if you are running Gingerbread and a Sense 2.1 or 3.0 ROM (I am running BAMF 3.0 R4.9). I just may have solved this issue when you can connect to a WiFi access point!
Using a program called Tasker, I have created specific profiles that actually help save my battery as well as do a lot of other things to make life easier. The learning curve is somewhat steep for non-Tech geeks, but it's not too difficult after you get the hang of it. (I think the only version of Tasker in the market is pay for use, but you can get a free trial from the Dev's website directly.)
On to how I can get a 22+ hour standard TBolt battery:
1st new profile:
-Called "WiFi"
-Context = WiFi Connected (Any SSID)
-Task = NET>WiFi Sleep>Never
2nd new profile:
-Called "Dim Screen"
-Context = Power Source Any, click "Invert" button (so when the phone is not charging).
-Task = Display>Display Brightness>Set to "20" and check "Immediate Effect" (you can certainly change it to something higher, but you may not get nearly the same battery life).
On WiFi, I can get almost 23 hours of battery. On 4G, I can get upwards of 8 hours, 3G I have yet to test.
Since LTE was just turned on near where I live, I noticed that my TBolt was making WiFi sleep while it sat in my pocket not in use, therefor switching to 4G/LTE and draining the battery. The brightness obviously helps when I am not plugged in no matter if I am 3G/4G/WiFi.
I have some other useful profiles setup. Like I have the phone screen go to Auto Brightness and into the Sense Dock Mode when the phone is charging. My favorite is the Car Dock Profile... when the phone goes into my Car Dock, the Bluetooth turns on, GPS goes on, and Google Music Starts.
I am a big fan of Tasker now... there are a lot of possibilities with the program!
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I'm gonna say you might want to try a MUCH more modern ROM. I'm having very little trouble eeking 18 hours out of mine under moderate use, and well over a day if I'm not messing with it much. It will typically consume around 1.7% per hour unused, LTE on.

WorldOfJohnboy said:
OK, so I know there has been a lot of b*tching about the Tbolt battery life, especially if you are running Gingerbread and a Sense 2.1 or 3.0 ROM (I am running BAMF 3.0 R4.9). I just may have solved this issue when you can connect to a WiFi access point!
Using a program called Tasker, I have created specific profiles that actually help save my battery as well as do a lot of other things to make life easier. The learning curve is somewhat steep for non-Tech geeks, but it's not too difficult after you get the hang of it. (I think the only version of Tasker in the market is pay for use, but you can get a free trial from the Dev's website directly.)
On to how I can get a 22+ hour standard TBolt battery:
1st new profile:
-Called "WiFi"
-Context = WiFi Connected (Any SSID)
-Task = NET>WiFi Sleep>Never
2nd new profile:
-Called "Dim Screen"
-Context = Power Source Any, click "Invert" button (so when the phone is not charging).
-Task = Display>Display Brightness>Set to "20" and check "Immediate Effect" (you can certainly change it to something higher, but you may not get nearly the same battery life).
On WiFi, I can get almost 23 hours of battery. On 4G, I can get upwards of 8 hours, 3G I have yet to test.
Since LTE was just turned on near where I live, I noticed that my TBolt was making WiFi sleep while it sat in my pocket not in use, therefor switching to 4G/LTE and draining the battery. The brightness obviously helps when I am not plugged in no matter if I am 3G/4G/WiFi.
I have some other useful profiles setup. Like I have the phone screen go to Auto Brightness and into the Sense Dock Mode when the phone is charging. My favorite is the Car Dock Profile... when the phone goes into my Car Dock, the Bluetooth turns on, GPS goes on, and Google Music Starts.
I am a big fan of Tasker now... there are a lot of possibilities with the program!
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how do you get the GPS to enable? I've tried to set up my GPS to come when I open maps, navigation or anything that needs gps enable but I get "sorry that action is unavailable on this device."

Llama also does what Tasker does. And its free. I find that Llama works better too. I can get near 24 hours with everything stock.

loonatik78 said:
I'm gonna say you might want to try a MUCH more modern ROM. I'm having very little trouble eeking 18 hours out of mine under moderate use, and well over a day if I'm not messing with it much. It will typically consume around 1.7% per hour unused, LTE on.
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Modern? The ROM I have is running Gingerbread and is full Sense 3.0 (which appears to be a big battery hog). When I was on a GB Sense 2.1 ROM from the same Dev, I was getting better battery. The only thing that may improve the battery any more on GB/Sense 3.0 would be a new and improved Kernel, though I think I am on one of the more stable ones.

warmonster said:
how do you get the GPS to enable? I've tried to set up my GPS to come when I open maps, navigation or anything that needs gps enable but I get "sorry that action is unavailable on this device."
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You are right, my bad... it throws up a disclaimer that GPS enabling is not available on any 2.3 ROM because of the Pop-up. They suggest using Cyanogen (sp) if you want to use the feature on a 2.3 ROM.

andydumi said:
Llama also does what Tasker does. And its free. I find that Llama works better too. I can get near 24 hours with everything stock.
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Potato, Patahto. I like Tasker and found it really granular once I started playing with it. I don't mind paying for an app that is well Developed and supported. (If you like Llama that much, you should use the donate version to "thank" the Dev team!) The 23hrs is an estimated capacity right now as Battery Left is still calibrating.

WorldOfJohnboy said:
Modern? The ROM I have is running Gingerbread and is full Sense 3.0 (which appears to be a big battery hog). When I was on a GB Sense 2.1 ROM from the same Dev, I was getting better battery. The only thing that may improve the battery any more on GB/Sense 3.0 would be a new and improved Kernel, though I think I am on one of the more stable ones.
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I think he is refering to roms based off the 2.11 leak. battery life in that Ruu is much better than any other previous ruu. Any roms based off it will give you more life by default. The bamf 4.9 Rom is kinda old when your talking about custom roms and it isn't based on the 2.11 ruu.
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WorldOfJohnboy said:
Modern? The ROM I have is running Gingerbread and is full Sense 3.0 (which appears to be a big battery hog). When I was on a GB Sense 2.1 ROM from the same Dev, I was getting better battery. The only thing that may improve the battery any more on GB/Sense 3.0 would be a new and improved Kernel, though I think I am on one of the more stable ones.
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You say BAMF 3.0 R4.9 is your ROM. This ROM is old, based upon the 2.01 GB leak (which is about 4 leaks ago), which was terribly flawed in many ways, and isn't even being developed by BAMF anymore. The newer kernels won't even work right on that ROM because aspects of the WiFi and camera have been changed in later leaks.
You're application of Tasker is probably one of the ONLY rational uses of such an app. Using it for such things as turning GPS on and off is pointless, and redundant, because Android already does that as long as you have GPS enabled. Having it enabled doesn't use any power unless you're using apps that abuse it, such as some of the traffic update apps that constantly update your position.
Power management apps aren't quite as useless as task killer apps, but for the purposes I see people use them for, they're not doing you many favors. I'm generally not a fan of these apps and I strongly recommend against task killers because the result of their use simply increases the amount of NAND reads the CPU must make, which is the most power intensive operation that CPU performs.
Newer ROMs, such as the RUU 2.10 and 2.11 based ROMs, are significantly better on battery life than the older ones, especially when used with the radios from the 1.70 OTA, 2.07 RUU, 2.10 RUU, and 2.11 RUU. I'd make the jump to a more modern ROM before I tried manipulating an older one to perform. Or, move up to a newer one and do the same thing and see what you get. In any event, there's good room for improvement.

I tried several ways to conserve battery and finally decided that it just isn't worth it to me to have to stop running game apps, to have to set the phone up a specific way, to carefully monitor what each app does etcetera. I went out Tuesday and bought a extended battery from a Verizon store. With discount I paid $25.00 for the battery and cover. I am now getting right around twenty five hours total battery life off one charge and I have watched videos, played games, played music, and did whatever else I could think of to kill that battery. I am ecstatic with it. Now when I am out overnight mountain climbing with the missus granted I will undoubtedly kill some apps. Wouldn't do to run into BigFoot, Smokey the Bear, and Jason Vorhies with a dead battery and no chocolate bars ( since she for some reason feels I should diet) now would it?
ps. I made sure it had antennaes on the cover. It has more than my original cover does. And the clerk had no clue why i was even asking about the antenaes on the cover

TDubKong said:
I tried several ways to conserve battery and finally decided that it just isn't worth it to me to have to stop running game apps, to have to set the phone up a specific way, to carefully monitor what each app does etcetera. I went out Tuesday and bought a extended battery from a Verizon store. With discount I paid $25.00 for the battery and cover. I am now getting right around twenty five hours total battery life off one charge and I have watched videos, played games, played music, and did whatever else I could think of to kill that battery. I am ecstatic with it. Now when I am out overnight mountain climbing with the missus granted I will undoubtedly kill some apps. Wouldn't do to run into BigFoot, Smokey the Bear, and Jason Vorhies with a dead battery and no chocolate bars ( since she for some reason feels I should diet) now would it?
ps. I made sure it had antennaes on the cover. It has more than my original cover does. And the clerk had no clue why i was even asking about the antenaes on the cover
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Reps are pretty clueless, in general. They're sales people and that's about it. That's what cracks me up when I see these goofy "corporate memos" that supposedly when out to stores with stuff like RUU and radio version numbers on them. Like the geek behind the counter actually knows any of that???

loonatik78 said:
Reps are pretty clueless, in general. They're sales people and that's about it. That's what cracks me up when I see these goofy "corporate memos" that supposedly when out to stores with stuff like RUU and radio version numbers on them. Like the geek behind the counter actually knows any of that???
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Yea tell me about it. At the Verizon kiosk in Costco I actually argued with the guy because he was spouting off about the Specs on AT&T phones being better than what were on the Thunderbolt. Saying how much better AT&T was and all this stuff. I listened for only a few minutes before I realized he was an imbecile. He was just throwing out things that made him sound like he knew what he was talking about. And yea you read that right. This brain fart of a human being was promoting AT&T from a Verizon kiosk

TDubKong said:
Yea tell me about it. At the Verizon kiosk in Costco I actually argued with the guy because he was spouting off about the Specs on AT&T phones being better than what were on the Thunderbolt. Saying how much better AT&T was and all this stuff. I listened for only a few minutes before I realized he was an imbecile. He was just throwing out things that made him sound like he knew what he was talking about. And yea you read that right. This brain fart of a human being was promoting AT&T from a Verizon kiosk
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Further proving Einstein's point... The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits.

loonatik78 said:
You say BAMF 3.0 R4.9 is your ROM. This ROM is old, based upon the 2.01 GB leak (which is about 4 leaks ago), which was terribly flawed in many ways, and isn't even being developed by BAMF anymore. The newer kernels won't even work right on that ROM because aspects of the WiFi and camera have been changed in later leaks.
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If you can point me to a ROM that has full Sense 3.0 and the latest GB leak, please point me in that direction.
You're application of Tasker is probably one of the ONLY rational uses of such an app. Using it for such things as turning GPS on and off is pointless, and redundant, because Android already does that as long as you have GPS enabled. Having it enabled doesn't use any power unless you're using apps that abuse it, such as some of the traffic update apps that constantly update your position.
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Considering I do use a bunch of Apps that can use GPS (Foursquare, Weather, and my Car Dock=Car Home) and I don't always need GPS on to do what I do in them, I choose to have GPS inactive as to not chew up more battery than is necessary.
Power management apps aren't quite as useless as task killer apps, but for the purposes I see people use them for, they're not doing you many favors. I'm generally not a fan of these apps and I strongly recommend against task killers because the result of their use simply increases the amount of NAND reads the CPU must make, which is the most power intensive operation that CPU performs.
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I have never and will never use a task killer. Tasker is basically a way to create a 'macro' or series of them to help do things without having to click 18 different things on your phone. Apples to oranges.
Newer ROMs, such as the RUU 2.10 and 2.11 based ROMs, are significantly better on battery life than the older ones, especially when used with the radios from the 1.70 OTA, 2.07 RUU, 2.10 RUU, and 2.11 RUU. I'd make the jump to a more modern ROM before I tried manipulating an older one to perform. Or, move up to a newer one and do the same thing and see what you get. In any event, there's good room for improvement.
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As I said, if there is a viable full Sense 3.0 ROM with the latest RUU out there, please let me know what it is. Until that happens, I will use Tasker to fix the flaws that exist in my current RUU/ROM.

loonatik78 said:
You say BAMF 3.0 R4.9 is your ROM. This ROM is old, based upon the 2.01 GB leak (which is about 4 leaks ago), which was terribly flawed in many ways, and isn't even being developed by BAMF anymore. The newer kernels won't even work right on that ROM because aspects of the WiFi and camera have been changed in later leaks.
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Really...newer kernels don't work with BAMF 3.0 RC4.9??? That's funny because I'm running Ziggy's latest on BAMF 3.0 RC4.9 with working WiFi and camera, front and back.
Out of all the 3.0, 2.1/3.0 ROM's this is the only one that I have never missed a call because I could not answer the phone because of the end only call bug.
It might be an older ROM but it's still one of the best for this phone.

UberBAMF, Adrynalyne's side-project BAMF, both of the Gingeritis ROMs, Th3ory's ROMs, Synergy... Where the Ziggy kernel came from. Maybe I'm wrong and 4.9 uses the 2.07 base. I've used nothing but 2.07 and newer Chingy ROMs for the last 2 months as daily drivers and I've never once seen this "end call only" bug.
Ziggy's kernels aren't freely available so I don't consider it an available custom kernel.

loonatik78 said:
UberBAMF, Adrynalyne's side-project BAMF, both of the Gingeritis ROMs, Th3ory's ROMs, Synergy... Where the Ziggy kernel came from. Maybe I'm wrong and 4.9 uses the 2.07 base. I've used nothing but 2.07 and newer Chingy ROMs for the last 2 months as daily drivers and I've never once seen this "end call only" bug.
Ziggy's kernels aren't freely available so I don't consider it an available custom kernel.
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Anyone that downloads Gingeritis, or Synergy has full access to Ziggy's kernels. I would call that freely available. Either which way they still work on BAMF 3.0 RC4.9.
As for the ROM's you listed not one of them are a full Sense 3.0 ROM like RC4.9.
If you have never had the end only call bug consider yourself lucky because there are theads on both themikmik and team BAMF about this bug.
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End-call only bug is real. In 2 months of running bamf (currently on uber 3), I've encountered it once. Others have been plagued with it. Basically, when someone calls, it only displays the large "end call" button.
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bp328i said:
Anyone that downloads Gingeritis, or Synergy has full access to Ziggy's kernels. I would call that freely available. Either which way they still work on BAMF 3.0 RC4.9.
As for the ROM's you listed not one of them are a full Sense 3.0 ROM like RC4.9.
If you have never had the end only call bug consider yourself lucky because there are theads on both themikmik and team BAMF about this bug.
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I hardly call Ziggy's kernel freely available by any stretch of the imagination. That's like saying iOS is free to anyone to use. Not really if you ONLY get it with this product or that! Ziggy also flouts the GPL like it's no big deal, so obtaining his source is nigh impossible. He's got one of the least available kernels that exists.

Sense 3.0 is eye candy. Like live wallpaper, its cool for a day, that's about it. And Rosie launcher is weak. I mean, if that's your thing, cool. It's your phone. But AOSP roms are far beyond BAMF, and far more stable. Shift B2 is the best rom I've run on my Bolt, hands down. With G+ loaded I get between 18-22 hours moderate use. Without G+ I can get a little over 28 hours. This is all 3G, as our towers havent been upgraded yet here in BFE. I understand the desire for battery life on stock battery. I pocket mine for 8 hours a day, so extended battery is unappealing. I underclock to 768 and my phone is still more responsive than it was with sense at 1.4.

[Q] Performance

I'm finally receiving my MyTouch 4G Slide today. I was just curious how the performance is? Is the stock ROM worth wild? Does anybody play N64oid, or PSoid on there phone? If so, how's the performance? Also a personal stand point whats your favorite ROM?
I want to try out the Port of CM7, but Sense 3.0 is pretty neat. If anyboyd is running a Sense 3.0 Rom, or CM7 would they recommend it?

cm7 > sense

The Sense that the MT4GS is vastly superior to previous versions of Sense, but I'm still waiting for a viable release candidate of CM to come out.

Your battery drains pretty fast with 3d games, and if you charge while you play, your phone gets hot as hell, I recommend rooting so that you can keep it underclocked as much as possible while you play. Gaming performance is good enough that you don't need full cpu power
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...as I sit here in my car waiting for my shift to start, i'm playing Castlevania: Symphony of the Night on Fpse. You can find it in the google market, and if you have any old ps1 games laying around it's worth every penny.
Works great, when i'm at home I plug the phone into my t.v. and play it that way. If anything I think it runs more smoothly when plugged into the t.v. - the audio syncs just a bit better with the same settings.
Checked my email and figured i'd cruise through here real quick before they let me in to get started.
Haven't had a chance to play with n64oid, I don't have any n64 games around anymore so I passed that one by.
About the stock ROM:
Horribly bloated, full of crap, loggers and other BS...you can find the info in a few threads around here.
If you decide to stick with the stock ROM, freeze, uninstall or kill the zipwhipgroups apk and also flash Undeadk9's security patch. Those two actions should close all known security flaws to date.
I've played with all the ROMs available, and they all offer something fun approaching the phone from different angles.
Play with them and i'm sure you'll find something (honestly...anything) better then the stock ROM.
My daily-driver keeps ending up being my own frankenstein, and once i'm basically out of a job when december hits i'm looking forward to mostly finishing it off.
Performance-wise the phone is fantastic. Even on the bloated bogged down stock ROM it still flies, and once you start flashing some of the more optimized ideas people have shared with us, you'll be even more impressed with it.
Make sure you hit up the battery thread floating around here to see why you should switch away from the stock HTC battery. I use an anker battery, and couldn't be happier - but you should see what siani_8 has to say about the Mugen batteries. Pricey, but apparently worth it. I found my anker battery for just a few bucks on amazon.
The stupid stock battery gets ( to quote another members apt description ) "Stupidly hot". Heat is death for a device like this, and whether you go with a mugen or anker, you should switch for sure if you're going to get into gaming or pushing the devices limits...otherwise you'll burn it up.
Just make sure to cruise through my backup thread, link in my sig, before you go flash happy. It'll probably make life easier for you in the long run, and it's a good review even if you're already familiar with it's contents.
Always happy to see new faces around, and you'll love the device. Best of luck!

Thank you all I read a lot about the battery issue. Considering getting one, but I might just run at 800mhz. I'm coming from a G1, and iPhone 3G. This thing fly's! But I'm having another issue, I can't root. Everything is set up right. But Rev. hangs on Zerging Root?? Or is it supposed to do that? I haven't rooted in a good 3 years. Any help is good help ;D

Also all the Emulators work, even the super buggy NDS one. I kept all my older games so I have the "Legal backup". But the games that needed the expansion pac run slow with sound on. But there on http://slideme.org/ if anybody want's them.

I'm a bit lost on performance with the MT4GS. In all my testing so far I have been getting my best benchmark score with stock rom and stock kernel without overclocking. I've tested with multpile benchmark apps and consistantly get lower scores using custom roms and kernels even while overclocked up to 1.7 Ghz. The whole thing has me baffled at this point. Using quadrant advanced I average 2100 range with all stock, compared to 1800 average using custom and overclocking. To add to my confusion, my original mytouch 4G with single core is averaging 2800 in quadrant while only overclocked to 1.1 Ghz.
I must be doing something wrong, by all rights the slide should be scoring much much higher.
Does anyone have any ideas why I'm getting my bizarre results?
Thanks much everyone.
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Usually benchmark scores that are lower are better.
Not always, but in most cases this is true.
Quadrant didn't support dual-core processors, or well, or something if I remember right. I mostly ignored it when I was benchmarking things not long ago - wasn't working right on our phone.

Say what you like about Sense, I'm not a fan of proprietary junk either, but they have the camera right on this one. There's zero shutter lag, and the camera has the features and response of a mid priced point & shoot. It's one of the best cameras in any phone, and would sell for a nice price even if there were no phone attached. And that is largely because of the Sense framework on the back end.
Because of that, I highly recommend UndeadK9's Senseless ROM. This ROM is an AOSP themed ROM but he has kept the Sense framework on the back end, but only where it benefits us. He is very sensitive to issues with the ROM and responds to (i.e. usually fixes) them very quickly. And he posts on here as if he doesn't have a life.
If you use his ROM tip the man, he deserves it.

With quadrant i was getting better scores from my mytouch 4G, but if it is only using one core then the odd results make much more sense.
One thing that has had me confused is with custom roms and kernels on the slide, when I run benchmarks, my scores are about the same regardless of being overclocked or running stock.
Based on the scores, it looks like overclocking is having no effect. I can say that there are definitely performance increases with the slider regardless of what the benchmarks say.
I did try UndeadK9's new rubix rom, so far I'm very impressed.
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Imo there is nothing wrong with the stock rom. It has very few bugs and my phone scores 4650 on antutu. I was one of the first people to get the phone, online pre, and I got the anker battery. The new security update from tmo also gave me better 4g signal. I have only three gripes with the phone.
1. It doesn't run at 1.5ghz which it is fully capable of
2. You can't name homescreen folders
3. There is no true favorites
If you want the phone just to run cm7 vanilla don't buy the phone and get a newer gx2

Speed difference with rooting methods?

Wondering if there's a difference in speed when using Bubby's root method versus the ACE hack kit. I rooted my phone about a year ago, my GF just did hers a couple weeks ago, and I could swear there's a difference between the two handsets, though they're both Inspire 4G's. Just curious to know if there's anything to my observation, or if it's a case of things always taking longer when you're waiting for them, rather than when you're the observer.

What specifically takes longer on one than the other.

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What specifically takes longer on one than the other.
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Oh, say for example things like opening and closing the app drawer, switching between apps, and general interface operations. I also find that my Favorites dialer widget tends to refresh a lot, particularly after a call - the icons will reload. That might be a different issue, but figured I'd mention it.
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Probably speed difference due to what's installed on the phones. Number of apps. Type of SD card (maybe) things like that. It seems that the more I flash and change stuf on my pho.e the slower it gets. So I've started doing Full Wipes every few weeks. Even to my SD card taking everything off and only putting back what I actually use. It realmseems to help a lot. Also I've noticed that when a dev makes a full wipe zip for the Rom, that it works better when doing that along with the full wipe option you get with 4ext
Hope I helped

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Oh, say for example things like opening and closing the app drawer, switching between apps, and general interface operations. I also find that my Favorites dialer widget tends to refresh a lot, particularly after a call - the icons will reload. That might be a different issue, but figured I'd mention it.
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That different issue may be associated, as it sounds like you may be suffering from a bit of lag. Have you tried running quadrant tests for comparison purposes? Not all Inspires will perform exactly the same. My wife's Inspire has always gotten a slightly better signal than mine, while my GPS has always performed better than hers. There will be variances with processor as well, although it should be minor.
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Let's not forget about ROMs. They all perform differently, too.

If you config them IDENTICALLY and yours is slower, then the proc/emmc may be inferior to what's in your wife's device. It's not unlike pc parts, you could have two kits of matching ram and one won't oc as well as the other. Same for processors too. Q6600 G0 SLACR will generally oc better than most other Q6600's.

Well, they're the same machine - Inspire 4G's, though I bought mine in March of last year from AT&T, she got hers in red from Target just about three months ago. The idea of variances between CPUs makes sense, though. Just figured I'd ask, since I hacked using Bubby's method and she used ACE, so I thought that might have made a difference.

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Well, they're the same machine - Inspire 4G's, though I bought mine in March of last year from AT&T, she got hers in red from Target just about three months ago. The idea of variances between CPUs makes sense, though. Just figured I'd ask, since I hacked using Bubby's method and she used ACE, so I thought that might have made a difference.
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Also manufacturers make plenty of changes throughout a product's life. Small revision changes that may reduce cost, increase stability, boost performance, sometimes lower performance. As long as it is not running 'poorly' then small differences are expected just with the enormous list of variables. Just take the faster phone and give her the slower one!

BillTheCat said:
Oh, say for example things like opening and closing the app drawer, switching between apps, and general interface operations. I also find that my Favorites dialer widget tends to refresh a lot, particularly after a call - the icons will reload. That might be a different issue, but figured I'd mention it.
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It could always be the rom. To compare better, you both need the same rom and version. With the app drawer, maybe you have the app drawer able to cache, and she doesn't? Just a guess.

Could be updated parts on her phone. I remember when I had my HTC Tilt when it came out then my sister had hers replaced a little bit before it was removed from the market and it was significantly faster than mine flashed with a ligh rom designed for speed.

Not exactly sure about this, but one would have to assume that battery charge levels could have an effect on the speed of the device and it's process speeds. the battery stays at nearly the same voltage during the charge cycle, but does begin to roll off as the battery power declines.
It could be said that decreased battery power would have a forced undervolt effect depending on it's level of charge, thus slowing down the device as it discharges.
Or....It's quite possible I'm full of crap, and have no Idea.
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Not exactly sure about this, but one would have to assume that battery charge levels could have an effect on the speed of the device and it's process speeds. the battery stays at nearly the same voltage during the charge cycle, but does begin to roll off as the battery power declines.
It could be said that decreased battery power would have a forced undervolt effect depending on it's level of charge, thus slowing down the device as it discharges.
Or....It's quite possible I'm full of crap, and have no Idea.
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There's a voltage regulator in there maintaining the supply to the phone. The voltage you read in any battery monitor app is the voltage of the battery. The regulator should be feeding about 3.3-3.5v from that source, so once the battery drops below those levels, things die off. You are right, as supply voltages drop the phone wouldnt function at it's full potential, there is just circuitry providing the proper levels regardless of the battery's voltage.

Cappy Overheating Questions

This is my first Android phone (2nd device overall), I love it, it was my free upgrade option from AT&T, on number 2, the first, I completely bricked trying to upgrade to GB stock..... After I got the taste of flashing ROM's, thanks to TRusselo and his ninja skill, I find myself oriented towards the leaner ones because of memory issues, I run V6 Supercharger , SlimICS :victory:, with JRummy's ROM Toolbox Pro :good: (gotta support the kicka$$ apps), TB, blah blah blah.
My major complaint is that my Cap runs hot, I have OS Monitor on it because I got tired of not knowing the threshold. It bothers me that my phone gets over 110 degrees Fahrenheit , I've even had a brief history of random reboots I attribute to heat when I ran the ICSSGS 4.0.3 ROM (Awesome stuff, but once I bit into Slim, it was over). Is there a way to manage the heat or get a case for the phone that helps to manage the temperature? Or am I S.O.L unless I keep a frozen gel pack nearby?
BTW, first post, I surf the posts often and since I didn't see any questions about overheating for this particular Samsung model thought I'd give this a shot

My gets hot to I think it has to do with the kernel
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Mine runs really hot too, mine gf has a cappy and they run the same everything most of the time, but mine is the only one that gets stupid hot. Would love it to be fixed but I think its probably a manufacturing issue. Problem is it wears on the battery. 10-20 of use and you will burn your ear if you want to talk on the phone . The metal back certainly doesn't help either.

Primary reason why your cappy gets hot is because of overclocking if you're clock is high the process of the CPU is high and pay the price of higher battery consume. I'm on 1200 OC and it get's hot hen I'm playing HD games. I suggest that you stay on 1Ghz.

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Primary reason why your cappy gets hot is because of overclocking if you're clock is high the process of the CPU is high and pay the price of higher battery consume. I'm on 1200 OC and it get's hot hen I'm playing HD games. I suggest that you stay on 1Ghz.
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I have the max set at 1Ghz, min 600Mhz, Performance, SIO, I'm sure the fact that the temperature outside being over 100 F doesn't help at al. I have overclocked it before and it started smoldering, not literally, just felt like it.
I've literally taken damp cloth's and set them underneath the phone on occasion to see if that will help, it definitely does, so does setting the gel ice pack under it, so I have found ways around it. I would probably only trade this phone for one of the S3's, but this phone has definitely earned the top place among my favorite devices all time. It's just as tough as a Blackberry, and easier to use than an iPhone.

That's why LOL, 600MHz minimum and 1000MHz max, with performance gov, that keeps it at max clock all the time XD take that off OMG...

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That's why LOL, 600MHz minimum and 1000MHz max, with performance gov, that keeps it at max clock all the time XD take that off OMG...
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I'm still a NUB, lol, I don't deny it, but I'm all about learning the way of the Droid.... I added some of the Devil Helly Bean Add-On apk's into the Slim Bean, so I have my high points, just have the low ones just as often..

takeoutttt said:
Primary reason why your cappy gets hot is because of overclocking if you're clock is high the process of the CPU is high and pay the price of higher battery consume. I'm on 1200 OC and it get's hot hen I'm playing HD games. I suggest that you stay on 1Ghz.
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I have never knowingly oc my phone, it would get hot on GB even before I rooted and went to cm. 10-20 mins of web browsing brings my temps up to about 41 C (106 f) I am pretty new to this, where to I check my clock settings?
I'm running helly bean nightly s
I have switched batteries with my gf cappy so I'm pretty sure its not a battery issue

Maybe a bad/defective battery is the cause of the problem since there is no overclockin...???
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master2828 said:
I have never knowingly oc my phone, it would get hot on GB even before I rooted and went to cm. 10-20 mins of web browsing brings my temps up to about 41 C (106 f) I am pretty new to this, where to I check my clock settings?
I'm running helly bean nightly s
I have switched batteries with my gf cappy so I'm pretty sure its not a battery issue
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With a metal back of cappy, it will easily heat up because it conducts heat in the metal. Based on my experience it is cause by the user usage depending on how high is the voltage/clock require of each app used to maintain it's smoothness and reached it's maximum clock. You can see your usage at Settings>Battery.
You can use CPU Spy or Voltage Control to see your OC and adjust it. You can check also in Settings> Performance >Processor.
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I'm still a NUB, lol, I don't deny it, but I'm all about learning the way of the Droid.... I added some of the Devil Helly Bean Add-On apk's into the Slim Bean, so I have my high points, just have the low ones just as often..
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Yeah, you'll learn in time, just try to search and read throughout the forums. I suggest that you lower your min to 100/200 and max to 1000/1200,
use smartassv2 and sio governor. This settings saves me some battery and to extent that still smooth, slick and good ui/gaming/app performance.
If you're on DEVIL KERNEL, go to recovery>devil>governor profile> tick SMOOTH.

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I'm still a NUB, lol, I don't deny it, but I'm all about learning the way of the Droid.... I added some of the Devil Helly Bean Add-On apk's into the Slim Bean, so I have my high points, just have the low ones just as often..
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Wasn't doggin' you dude, Just letting you know that could be the cause of your problem. Awhile ago I might have flamed you, I have matured and get that not everyone reads (not this situation), and I have to get used to that. People make mistakes, I know I do even if I wanna act like I don't. I am just helping around here now since I have gotten as much knowledge as the some of the users that joined XDA and other hacking forums in the beginning because I was always searching to find out ways to do it on my own, asking for help with stuff that no one talked about. So I am glad that I was able to help you in a way, sorta.

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Wasn't doggin' you dude, Just letting you know that could be the cause of your problem. Awhile ago I might have flamed you, I have matured and get that not everyone reads (not this situation), and I have to get used to that. People make mistakes, I know I do even if I wanna act like I don't. I am just helping around here now since I have gotten as much knowledge as the some of the users that joined XDA and other hacking forums in the beginning because I was always searching to find out ways to do it on my own, asking for help with stuff that no one talked about. So I am glad that I was able to help you in a way, sorta.
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Thank you both, b and takeout.... I know neither of you were doggin me, b-eock. I've been one of the behind the scenes types but I've seen a few of your posts, I know you know what you're talking about, I definitely appreciate the guidance. Truth be told, I know I'm still a nub here, but I know my way well enough, after you break something a few times, its only natural to pick up a few tricks along the way.

Yeah you'll learn something here just have the patience, experiment, test things out yourself to conclude and rather soon it'll be your hobby reading
And also help others out too.
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my gets hot sometimes too. im on helly bean latest 08/08/12 version, also battery gets sucked down quick, barely get 8 hrs and i do virtually nothing. ics cm9 was great on battery.

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my gets hot sometimes too. im on helly bean latest 08/08/12 version, also battery gets sucked down quick, barely get 8 hrs and i do virtually nothing. ics cm9 was great on battery.
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I know my battery is going quick on the SlimBean 2.0 ROM, but the heat issue still happens, I have noticed with my OS monitoring tool that it gets hotter if you have programs running constantly in background using up high CPU %. I was able to isolate a few of the programs as things I could remove, overall it does still run hot, but it's not as bad.
I use the free version of the OS Monitor on Play Store, you can set it to run under root and to autostart when the device is turned on.

Picked up an 1800 mah battery and my batty life is great! Going to bed with 40ish percent left

Haha, well let me know where you snagged that from
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try Smartassv2 gov and change your min from 600 to 100, then note the temps, or run a log of them.
typically my phone runs about 35° C (95° F) and that is with an otterbox commuter case on the phone. When the gps is on in the car, I use a vent mount to keep it at 40° or less, and never have to take the case off.
I read that higher temps, example 45°, really shorten battery life, and you wiil only get 200 charge cycles instead of 500 from the battery.
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Haha, well let me know where you snagged that from
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Amazon, was a great purchase, got an oem battery, there is a huge thread in the accessories section about the 1800 mah epic 4G battery that fits in the cappy