Hello! I'm a long-time lurk and this is my first post. Why? Because you folks at XDA are extremely knowledgeable and very helpful! I actually enjoy reading the forums and usually can find my answer using search. Call me a masochist, I guess. I just wish I had the chops to develop and not just be a continuous noobish sponge. I have successfully rooted my own Inspire with Bubby’s method and have flashed several radios and ROMs, no problem (knock on wood).
Anywho, I have searched and have seen similar issues to mine, but I have what I consider a more unique problem (which, if I’m wrong, I’m sure you fine folks will let me know). I attempted to root my brother’s Inspire over the weekend and it is currently showing a black screen with three vibrations and amber light (If I try to go to Hboot manually, I get five whole vibrations with a green light). I can, though, pull the battery for 5 minutes or so, then the phone will boot normally. Although I think it’s on the downgraded ROM, because it shows the funky AT&T splashscreen instead of HTC. What I did was attempt root with Bubby’s and got stuck at the boot screen when the phone was trying to flash the PD98IMG.zip (downgrade I believe) after making the goldcard. It would show that it was trying to read the zip, however I never would get the “volume up to upgrade” option. I tried this three times. When that failed, I tried rooting with the Ace Hack Kit and after creating the goldcard image, when the script tried to reboot the phone to install the downgrade, I got the black screen, amber light with the 3 vibrations. My problem is that I don’t have root, can’t get to recovery from the Hboot screen (shows red exclamation with triangle) and was unable to install Clockworks Mod thru ROM manager because I’m not rooted, so no SuperUser privileges.
What can I do at this point? Maybe off base, but I believe I have somehow corrupted the boot partition or the like, including screwing up Hboot. Is it possible to fix this if I am not able to reboot without pulling the battery? I have tried going thru Bubby’s and the Ace kit again, but always fail when the phone reboots.
Thanks for your help!
I am far from an expert, or even a novice, but to me it sounds like you have a corrupted download for the bubbys one click.... Have you checked the Md5 on the downloaded file?
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I could lie and say yes, but no I didn't check md5 the first go around (although I did the 2nd time I reinstalled, after it screwed up). I did have all antivirus programs uninstalled and firewall turned off.
It does sound like you got the downgrade rom without root. Go back to the hack kit. With the gold card in the phone, turn on usb debugging and connect to the pc in the charge only mode. Run menu number 3 in the hack kit.
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@OP:
Follow the files and instructions in this post to get back to stock so u can start fresh. I followed these to get back to stock only today evening, and it worked.
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TO RETURN TO STOCK:
Make sure you S-ON (if able) BEFORE you Unroot. The S-On tool needs root permissions to function.
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Turn the phone on, connect to computer, and perform step 1. Make sure USB debugging is enabled.
Step 1 (S-On):
Run Bubby323's S-On tool: S-On Tool
Step 2 (STOCK ROM in ZIP FORMAT):
Place this .zip file on the root of your SD card. Disable fast boot in settings > applications. Turn off your phone. Hold down the volume down button and the power button at the same time. The phone will reboot into hboot. It will load the ROM automatically. Follow the steps to flash the ROM.
http://www.multiupload.com/JELMZNSKDF
I did this like a couple hours back, and mine's back to stock.
Note: I consolidated the links here from various posts on this forum.
Diablo: Was posting the reply below, when I saw your message. Would you still recommend I follow your steps to unroot, return to stock and run hack again?
Update: Well, I went thru Bubby’s root process again and was able to get the phone rooted (had to pull battery and wait 4 minutes when it needed to reboot). And I have confirmed root was successful. I also used Bubby’s fix to Eng S-Off (couldn’t hurt, right?). The phone now has the latest Android Revolution with Sense and the radio has been flashed (including full wipe and EXT4 wipe). However, it STILL won’t reboot correctly. I can boot directly into Clockwork from ROM Manager, but if I try to reboot normally (hold down power button and select restart), I get the black screen, amber light and 3 vibrations. Again, pull battery and wait 4 minutes and either power button to boot normally or power and volume down to get to Hboot works fine and goes to Clockwork from Hboot fine also. I guess I can keep up with the batter pull only when I have to manually restart, but WTH? There has got to be a fix for the reboot issue. Any ideas?
fernandezhjr said:
It does sound like you got the downgrade rom without root. Go back to the hack kit. With the gold card in the phone, turn on usb debugging and connect to the pc in the charge only mode. Run menu number 3 in the hack kit.
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Thanks, but tried that earlier on and couldn't continue on with steps in hack kit.
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...I also used Bubby's fix to Eng S-Off (couldn't hurt, right?)...
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Well, actually, wrong, it could hurt. I'm not saying that's the cause of your problems, but you really should've read up a little more before clicking on stuff so nonchalantly.
Eng s-Off means the engineering bootloader. If that process were to fail while in the midst of performing it on your phone, it would most likely hard-brick it.
Not to mention it's unnecessary. It was only included in that rooting method at the time for flashing radios, I believe, and since then a safer method for doing so has come into standard usage that doesn't require eng s-Off.
It's also one method of resolving the cwr blackscreen people were having, where you're actually in cwr, but the screen is black so you can't see what your doing. Not the same black screen your seeing, I don't think, because you're able to at least get into cwr.
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Thanks, but tried that earlier on and couldn't continue on with steps in hack kit.
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The vibrations with the blinking led, I have seen a few posts with this. Sadly, I haven't seen anyone post a fix yet.
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Fernandezhjir: I understand your sentiment, however my situation does seem to be a little different than the other posts, so there may be hope yet.
Scott: You're absolutely right (as if you need me to confirm that) that it could hurt. My sarcasm didn't come over very well without a wink-smiley or the like. As I mentioned before, I have read the forums and the other posts on the difference between radio s-off and eng s-off and how dangerous it can be. Actually Bubby's program fairly adequately describes that taking that step can possibly brick your phone and when you should consider taking the risk. I was desperate and dumb and poking fun at myself in my post.
Any advice with my current situation? Everything on the phone is working fine unless I try to normal restart, then I get the amber light with 3 vibrations. Again, battery pull for 4+ minutes then resinsert and power works and I can get to Hboot and Clockwork okay.
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Fernandezhjir: I understand your sentiment, however my situation does seem to be a little different than the other posts, so there may be hope yet.
Scott: You're absolutely right (as if you need me to confirm that) that it could hurt. My sarcasm didn't come over very well without a wink-smiley or the like. As I mentioned before, I have read the forums and the other posts on the difference between radio s-off and eng s-off and how dangerous it can be. Actually Bubby's program fairly adequately describes that taking that step can possibly brick your phone and when you should consider taking the risk. I was desperate and dumb and poking fun at myself in my post.
Any advice with my current situation? Everything on the phone is working fine unless I try to normal restart, then I get the amber light with 3 vibrations. Again, battery pull for 4+ minutes then resinsert and power works and I can get to Hboot and Clockwork okay.
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Heh. Now that you explain it, I can see the sarcasm. I'm usually good a picking up on it, but you know how these internet textual posts go....smilies are crucial...
As to your problem, there seem to be a few posts in recent days describing the led/vibrations type of symptom.
I don't know if they're interrelated or not. I don't have an answer, but I'm curious and will drop in if I manage to come across any pertinent information.
Thanks for the replies! I will continue to research and update this thread if I find a solution. I really believe that it has something to do with the startup processes or boot cache or some other $10 phrase related to what happens when the phone is attempting to startup normally. I appreciate all help.
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Just wanted to add a quick update for anyone searching that comes across this post: The phone in question is now working flawlessly (knock on wood). Restarting, power down and battery pulls work with no problems (no vibrations or flashes). I am honestly unsure what I did to cause this error or what the resolution was and can only speculate. Since my last post, I have made a Nandroid backup and flashed a couple ROMs (namely AR with Sense, then Virtuous Unity with full wipes in between), so I assume that somewhere in there the corrupted boot files (or whatever) were corrected. All's well that ends well...
Here is just something to add to everyone's good advice that you received. Search for the RUU in the development section. It can fully restore your phone back to stock out of the box condition. In situations such as this it is worth having saved on your computer.
Wolf_2 said:
Here is just something to add to everyone's good advice that you received. Search for the RUU in the development section. It can fully restore your phone back to stock out of the box condition. In situations such as this it is worth having saved on your computer.
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Not quite true. If you've rooted and have S-OFF, that will survive a complete RUU update. You have to S-ON your device before applying the RUU if you want true "out-of-the-box" restoration.
seems like you got yourself a good taste of rom flashing issues. that's a good thing. i know that you have everything working flawlessly now, BUT i would still HIGHLY recommend that you download the Super Wipe script from the Android revolution thread and use that to completely wipe and format your partitions, then do a FULL wipe through clockwork and then install whatever ROM you would like. but i cant stress enough, MAKE SURE that the Md5 sums match always. this can be the difference between a working rom and a bricked phone. also i would like to add that through my experience i usually find that the first time you root the inspire, the very first rom you install on it almost always has issues. that's how it is for me atleast. Ive rooted plenty of Inspire's and all of them have had some sort of issue on the first flash. and as always, follow the directions per rom to the T or else it might not work.
P.S. Some roms run better with matching Radio and RIL. flashing these is AWLAYS good practice to get your phone to tunr the best possible.
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Here is just something to add to everyone's good advice that you received. Search for the RUU in the development section. It can fully restore your phone back to stock out of the box condition. In situations such as this it is worth having saved on your computer.
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Not quite true. If you've rooted and have S-OFF, that will survive a complete RUU update. You have to S-ON your device before applying the RUU if you want true "out-of-the-box" restoration.
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Thats why I posted the full steps in the guide , to s-on and ruu back to stock. On a side note bubbies s-on tool does not always work.
On another side note, Genepoole would be interested in wrighting a script for the s-on/return t stock process to make it a little more automated? The steps right now are flashing back to stock then re rooting, then entering gfree s-off on then re running the ruu.
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On another side note, Genepoole would be interested in wrighting a script for the s-on/return t stock process to make it a little more automated? The steps right now are flashing back to stock then re rooting, then entering gfree s-off on then re running the ruu.
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I have actually considered this. The current methods require a complete downgrade just like rooting when all you really need for gfree to work is the radio and kernel from the downgrade ROM.
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Not quite true. If you've rooted and have S-OFF, that will survive a complete RUU update. You have to S-ON your device before applying the RUU if you want true "out-of-the-box" restoration.
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You are correct. I should have re phrased that differently. I know that S-Off would survive the RUU procedure so I should have said "almost out of the box". The RUU is still a very handy thing to have.
Gene Poole said:
I have actually considered this. The current methods require a complete downgrade just like rooting when all you really need for gfree to work is the radio and kernel from the downgrade ROM.
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Please, sir.
Seriously, this would be, imo, a profound contribution to this phone.
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UPDATE: With all of the newer rooting and S-Off methods, and new hardware and firmware revisions, this thread may or may not help with your specific case if trying to unroot and go back to unrooted stock. I originally wrote this based of of the very first root methods known for the Launch EVO. There is a good chance that this method will still work, but there could definitely be something unaccounted for in your own specific case, so tread with caution. It is very doubtful that anything in this tutorial will result in your EVO becoming a fancy-schmancy paperweight, but if something goes afoul, you could have a nice headache to deal with...
Ok guys. There is a lot of partial and mis-information floating around out there about how to UN ROOT if you have to send your phone back for replacement, or you want the official unrooted OTA 2.2.
OLD NEWS!!!---> NEWER METHODS AVAILABLE TO ACTUALLY FIX PRI DOWNGRADE> SEARCH!!!! EDIT your PRI to show 1.40, thanks to sturmen for the pointer, and Calkulin for the method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7267559&postcount=66
This assumes you are full root, S-Off. Note, this is not tested with simple root but should work (EDIT, Simple Root is basically Toastcfh's method, so you simple root users should be set), only with Toastchf's root method and nand unlock.
After reading every thread on the forum here, I think I finally found a fool proof way to do it. All the info was out there, but in several places and each one was missing something.
1) Before you start clicking and flashing and running RUUs, Check your HBoot build. You need to have the 0.76.2000 from Toastcfh's method #2. If you have 0.79.0000 (whatever) go to step 2 below. If you're getting Bootloader errors when running an RUU, I can almost guarantee that you don't have the correct HBOOT. If you somehow still have 0.76.2000 from previous modding, proceed to step 3.
2) Toast's Nand Unlock method. Found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=701835
EDIT: The more I think about it, I think you can just run Simple Root to re-attain the .76 HBOOT and engineering build. It would eliminate the need for any adb, and SHOULD produce the same results. Just run the RUU after you run and complete simple root. See notes in BLUE below too!
THIS STEP IS 100% NECESSARY IF YOU HAVE THE .79 HBOOT version!!!...Do step #2 in Toast's thread, just like you did when you originally unlocked NAND (OR YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO JUST RUN SIMPLE ROOT AGAIN...UNconfirmed, but should work methinks...). Not 100% sure which steps are necessary, but I do know you need to do steps #1 (Well, #1 is Nandroid Backup, so proceed at own risk if you skip) and #2 again. Make sure after you flash the Flash_Image, and the mtd-eng through adb, that you then load the PC36IMG.zip (Engineering Build), onto the root of your SD card, and boot into HBOOT, and let it install (just like you did when rooting). I didn't bother to flash the Recovery image at the end of step 3, but I don't think it would hurt if you're nervous about losing a custom recovery image in case this method for some reason does not work. It has come to my attention that flashing the engineering build (the PC36IMG from Toast's thread)through fastboot, might be as crucial as simply having the .76 HBOOT version. It at least is a surefire way to make sure you can run an RUU on top of it. There are probably other builds/roms that will work and allow you to run the RUU, but this one is confirmed, so don't skip that step!
3) If you have the 0.76.2000 HBOOT (can be checked by powering down, and booting by holding VOL down and Power), then you can go ahead and boot into the rom, and proceed with downloading the RUUs found here: http://shipped-roms.com/shipped/Supersonic/
Go ahead and download the first one (at least). I think the others are optional to "upgrade" but why should we care. We just want to go back to unrooted stock.
4) Make sure you have the latest version of HTC Sync installed, found here: http://www.htc.com/uk/SupportViewNews.aspx?dl_id=933&news_id=627
Install, and let it do it's thing. Will probably have to restart your PC when complete. Not even 100% sure this is necessary, but it won't hurt. It's basically for the HTC drivers from what I understand.
5) Run the RUU from your pc while your evo is in the phone loaded state of the Rom, (not the bootloader) with the phone connected through USB and have HTC sync selected. Even if it doesn't connect to HTC sync on your PC, you should be ok.
If you get a USB error after the screen goes black with the HTC LOGO, don't touch the phone. Exit the RUU via the EXIT button when given the option.
6) Run the RUU again and see what happens. The Error could happen 1 more time, but just exit again, and run RUU one last time.
7) Thank everyone here at XDA that our EVOs are so badass...I'm certinly not a dev, but these devs work hard for us to have the baddest ass phone there is right now.
Any problems, let me know. I assume your errors are the same ones I was getting, and it's all because of the wrong HBOOT.
I really take no credit for this, as I'm just compiling information in a tut....
Thanks op.
Or you can flash the new FroYo update release. =D
But thanks OP. Your hard work is much appreciated.
arozer said:
Or you can flash the new FroYo update release. =D
But thanks OP. Your hard work is much appreciated.
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You might be correct, but I couldn't get the FROYO OTA to show up in any of the roms I was using.
Question: what's the deal with the PRI? Has anyone been able to properly fix that yet?
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Question: what's the deal with the PRI? Has anyone been able to properly fix that yet?
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From my research, NO...Unfortunately, but this should get you as good as possible with what's out there now..
EDIT: Yess! See below and in OP!
Bang3r said:
From my research, NO...Unfortunately, but this should get you as good as possible with what's out there now..
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Hm. I think I remember someone made a hex-edited PRI that people can flash in case they have to return it. I'll find it...
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Hm. I think I remember someone made a hex-edited PRI that people can flash in case they have to return it. I'll find it...
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That would be cool, but I'm not too worried about that part. Phone is going back tomorrow!
Well, worry even less! Special thanks to Calkulin!
thankssssss
Thanks a lot for this. I have searched for a un root that worked and you were right the bootloader was the problem. Followed directions here and I am back to stock Froyo un rooted.
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topcop
I followed your guide and ran into a few issues. From my experiences, you can only run the RUU from your software version or higher (Can't use a 1.32 RUU on a Evo with software version 1.47). Therefore, I think everyone should always flash the engineering build so they can use the earliest RUU. Just my 2 cents though...
I'm getting error 155 running Ava Froyo and trying to go back.
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I followed your guide and ran into a few issues. From my experiences, you can only run the RUU from your software version or higher (Can't use a 1.32 RUU on a Evo with software version 1.47). Therefore, I think everyone should always flash the engineering build so they can use the earliest RUU. Just my 2 cents though...
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Yes, you are correct, but so am I. This is exactly what step 2 in the OP does (which is a link to Toastcfh's thread about the engineering build).
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I'm getting error 155 running Ava Froyo and trying to go back.
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Ok. RE-read the OP. Everything is there. Check your HBOOT version by booting to the bootloader. If you have .79, you need to re-flash the engineering build before the RUU will work (Step 2 in the OP to get HBOOT to .76). You cannot run the RUU on top of AVA froyo or any froyo, or any rooted custom 2.1 for that matter if you don't have the proper HBOOT (Which I believe you cannot have if you are running any custom rom). Flash to the engineering build, then the RUU.
How far "unrooted" does this get you? Can you still re-root using toast's method or SimpleRoot?
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How far "unrooted" does this get you? Can you still re-root using toast's method or SimpleRoot?
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Yes you can still REroot VIA those methods. As long as you don't do a FROYO OTA or manually flash the UNROOTED Froyo...there is no ROOT method for FROYO yet.
It returns completely to UNROOTED stock, except for the PRI, which there is a fix for on the 1st page.
And incidentally (and I just figured this out last night) Simple Root is Toast's method, just automated...
EDIT: I think that you could even UNROOT and RUU to 1.3x (whatever it is), then use the ROOTING methods that were in place before the official 1.47 OTA rooting methods. But, I just did simpleroot last night on top of 1.47, and it is freaking SIMPLE....1 click for root...1 click to flash recovery.
tpdtopcop said:
Thanks a lot for this. I have searched for a un root that worked and you were right the bootloader was the problem. Followed directions here and I am back to stock Froyo un rooted.
Thanks
topcop
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This is what were trying to show you on Androidcentral as well. Glad you are set!
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I'm getting error 155 running Ava Froyo and trying to go back.
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As long as you have .76 HBOOT flash back to an earlier rom...one that has a 1.32 base. Then use the 1.32 RUU or 1.47 RUU. You should be set. Make sure you have completed step 2 in OP.
Yes. I have .79, thanks!
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Okay, here goes the story-
1.Got an Inspire
2.Did the Hack Kit and then installed the Rooted Stock ROM (Discontinued), everything went okay but when trying to reboot into CWM, I got the HTC Screen for a few seconds then blackness, I later determined it was working I just couldn't see it for whatever reason.
3.Okay, I thought I'd try Bubby's One Click and see if that would fix it, it went great too, but CWM still no workie, getting frustated now.
4.I thought I'd try flashing a non-AT&T ROM, since so many have been having issue running one and getting the working, but black screened CWM, I chose CoreDroid's.
5.I put CoreDroid's ZIP on my SD Card, went into ROM Manager and installed it, making sure clear memory and backup current ROM were checked.
6.It rebooted into CWM, which of course I couldn't see, then about 10 minutes later it rebooted, and the beautiful CoreDroid Animation came up, and a few minutes after that I had CoreDroid up and running.
7.Well, I thought, CWM should work fine now, EHHHHH Sorry Johnny (which sounded weird, since my name is Mike ), wrong answer, I rebooted into CWM and there it was again, total blackness.
8.Okay, I noticed in CoreDroid that to be able to flash new Radio's, you had to have Eng S-OFF, so I ran the One Click Eng S-Off Tool found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=855403 , making sure to check the box saying I already have S-Off.
9.It ran, and said it was successful, and I now had Eng S-Off, so I rebooted into Hboot to check, and at the top sure enough, it said Eng S-Off, I then hit PowerDown, which it did, but then....well, go to 10
10.It rebooted into...yep, CWM! Clear and beautiful, it looked wonderful! So booted back up, went into ROM Manager and told it to boot into CWM, it did so and it came up again, no problems! I did it again to make sure it wasn't a fluke, nope, all was well now in CWM Land!
So, how's that for a saga? Ahh, now I can kick back, it's Miller Time, or Dr.Pepper Time in my world, I don't drink
Use this at YOUR OWN RISK! I take no responsibility for bricked or ruined phones, I just posted this in hopes it might help out people having CWM issues. DO NOT send me hate mail because this didn't work for you
Good job bro!! I don't personally have the problem, but I've been following tons who have. Well done!
i did step 8 throu 10 and it works great thanks a mill!
No prob, I'm glad I could help you guys out!
congrads!!! i'm gonna try it out, i really wanna try some of these awesome roms available
Thanks Epic, let me know how it goes for you! I can't figure out what it did, other than maybe some files were corrupted or missing, and doing the Eng S-Off pushed and refreshed whatever was corruped or missing, either way I am glad to have it working again
Very nice discovery, I will in cooperate this into the next version of my program. Thanks a ton.
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Very nice discovery, I will in cooperate this into the next version of my program. Thanks a ton.
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No Prob Bubby, I'm glad I could help and give something back! I am in full support of you by the way, I think it's pretty slimy how they ganged up on you like that, when all you did was try and make things easier for the community. If I can help out in any way, let me know!
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No Prob Bubby, I'm glad I could help and give something back! I am in full support of you by the way, I think it's pretty slimy how they ganged up on you like that, when all you did was try and make things easier for the community. If I can help out in any way, let me know!
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Will do.
I believe (if I'm not mistaken) that ENG S-OFF is the Engineering bootloader... it's not the best way to S-Off, because it puts the Engineer's Test HBOOT onto your phone, which causes some problems for other things. Also, to get back to complete stock, you'll now need to flash a stock HBOOT as well, if I remember correctly.
For that very reason, I would *NOT* incorporate this into your one-click, bubby... it worked for me perfectly the way it is, WITHOUT an Engineering HBOOT. I'd leave this as a possible solution for the ones that actually have the problem.
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I believe (if I'm not mistaken) that ENG S-OFF is the Engineering bootloader... it's not the best way to S-Off, because it puts the Engineer's Test HBOOT onto your phone, which causes some problems for other things. Also, to get back to complete stock, you'll now need to flash a stock HBOOT as well, if I remember correctly.
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I haven't had any issues yet, so hopefully I'm good I wouldn't have even ran it except for the fact that to flash other radios, you need to have it on there. I don't mind doing whatever I have to do to go back to Stock, which I don't plan on doing unless I have to send it in for warranty or insurance.
That said, I just posted it so that it might be of help to others, so I guess try it if you are having problems with CWM showing up properly, otherwise leave it alone
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I haven't had any issues yet, so hopefully I'm good I wouldn't have even ran it except for the fact that to flash other radios, you need to have it on there. I don't mind doing whatever I have to do to go back to Stock, which I don't plan on doing unless I have to send it in for warranty or insurance.
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No doubt. I hope I never have to, either... I just remember that with an engineer hboot on the desire, it was a LOT harder to get it back to stock, and had several other issues, and that's why they did away with it in favor of non-ENG HBOOT options. I like how it opens up the phone, though. This is indeed a great find that it works with ours!
EDIT: Ahh, I found it. It's in the G2 Wiki here.
"INSTALLING ENGINEERING HBOOT (DZ/G2/DHD) - OPTIONAL and UNNECESSARY!
Assuming you've backed up your phone with Clockwork's nandroid, you can install the engineering HBOOT (bootloader), which among other things allows you to use fastboot flash (or flashing-over-usb from your computer). This is unnecessary for most users but provides additional functionality for developers.
This is totally optional and dangerous - if the write to the phone partition fails the phone will be bricked. At the moment there is no cure for a phone that has been bricked by a failed hboot install."
That very last line is why Bubby should NOT include this in his one click... you think problems are bad now, wait till someone bricks a device and we can't unbrick it! D:
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No doubt. I hope I never have to, either... I just remember that with an engineer hboot on the desire, it was a LOT harder to get it back to stock, and had several other issues, and that's why they did away with it in favor of non-ENG HBOOT options. I like how it opens up the phone, though. This is indeed a great find that it works with ours!
EDIT: Ahh, I found it. It's in the G2 Wiki here.
"INSTALLING ENGINEERING HBOOT (DZ/G2/DHD) - OPTIONAL and UNNECESSARY!
Assuming you've backed up your phone with Clockwork's nandroid, you can install the engineering HBOOT (bootloader), which among other things allows you to use fastboot flash (or flashing-over-usb from your computer). This is unnecessary for most users but provides additional functionality for developers.
This is totally optional and dangerous - if the write to the phone partition fails the phone will be bricked. At the moment there is no cure for a phone that has been bricked by a failed hboot install."
That very last line is why Bubby should NOT include this in his one click... you think problems are bad now, wait till someone bricks a device and we can't unbrick it! D:
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Thanks for posting that. I was just going by what they said to do in the CoreDroid thread, and it worked for me, thankfully
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Again, it's recommended that you flash radio 26.04.02.17_M2 (Orange ES 1.75.75.2 / HTC WWE 1.72.405.3) or radio_26.06.03.24_M2 (TELUS WWE 1.84.661.1) or Radio 26.05.05.27_M3 - (Orange UK 1.84.61.2)
How do I flash a new radio?
In order to flash other radios you need to have ENG S-OFF. Once your device has that read this thread to learn how to flash a radio.img
How to get ENG S-OFF:
Download the attached "easy S-OFF.zip" at the botton of this FAQ.
Extract to a folder of your choice.
Connect your phone to a computer (make sure you have USB Debugging enabled. Connect charge only!)
Open my "Desire HD easy s-off.exe", click "S-OFF it"! Allow possible SuperUser request on your phone.
There could be force closes after the process, just reboot and everything will be fine.
Done. (in bootloader it should now show ENG S-OFF)"
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=965207
No doubt, still a great find. It's definitely a temp cwm fix, so use as necessary, just be careful and DO NOT unplug your phone while it's flashing!
ClearD said:
No doubt, still a great find. It's definitely a temp cwm fix, so use as necessary, just be careful and DO NOT unplug your phone while it's flashing!
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For me, it was a permanent CWM fix
Use this at YOUR OWN RISK! I take no responsibility for bricked or ruined phones, I just posted this in hopes it might help out people having CWM issues.
I just put that in my first post, hopefully it will do it's job
I could get into cwm, no black-screen for me though. Still couldnt do radios. Used this and bam new radio....Thanks for the info.
Lol Cali, remind me to "thank" you tomorrow I've been trying all night, but I'm at the 24 hr limit for "thanks". I appreciate the post update, and this really is a great find. I can't stress that enough lol. In the right hands, an engineering HBOOT is great.
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I could get into cwm, no black-screen for me though. Still couldnt do radios. Used this and bam new radio....Thanks for the info.
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You are very welcome!
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Lol Cali, remind me to "thank" you tomorrow I've been trying all night, but I'm at the 24 hr limit for "thanks". I appreciate the post update, and this really is a great find. I can't stress that enough lol. In the right hands, an engineering HBOOT is great.
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No problemo, as the Terminator would say
I didn't post this in the CM7 thread because I believe my problem was a glitch during rooting, not CM7 which seems to work fine.
I recently dropped my Insight 4G which had been rooted and was running the Revolution ROMs and cracked the screen. I purchased a replacement phone, which arrived with the Gingerbread ROM from AT&T.
I decided to try CM7 this time and followed the instruction on wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/HTC_Ace to the letter on rooting, installing clockworkmod, and installing the CM7 roms. Everything worked perfectly with one exception.
Now the phone takes > 10 mins (closer to 20 actually) to boot every time it reboots. I have tried restoring a nandroid backup of the Revolution ROMS from my original phone and everything works fine, but reboot is still very, very long. Restored CM7 from nandroid backup and tried to install RUU file to restore the phone to AT&T, but the software times out due to the extremely long boot time. Everything seems fine on the phone except for the boot time and I don't know what to do next.
After reading a lot of posts it appears that the instructions I followed have a similar effect to using the outdated Ace Hack Kit here. (Wish I'd used the new one). I am well and truly "Jammed Up"
Anyone have a possible fix? I am happy to do whatever it takes... not worried about data.
tricotec said:
I didn't post this in the CM7 thread because I believe my problem was a glitch during rooting, not CM7 which seems to work fine.
I recently dropped my Insight 4G which had been rooted and was running the Revolution ROMs and cracked the screen. I purchased a replacement phone, which arrived with the Gingerbread ROM from AT&T.
I decided to try CM7 this time and followed the instruction on wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/HTC_Ace to the letter on rooting, installing clockworkmod, and installing the CM7 roms. Everything worked perfectly with one exception.
Now the phone takes > 10 mins (closer to 20 actually) to boot every time it reboots. I have tried restoring a nandroid backup of the Revolution ROMS from my original phone and everything works fine, but reboot is still very, very long. Restored CM7 from nandroid backup and tried to install RUU file to restore the phone to AT&T, but the software times out due to the extremely long boot time. Everything seems fine on the phone except for the boot time and I don't know what to do next.
After reading a lot of posts it appears that the instructions I followed have a similar effect to using the outdated Ace Hack Kit here. (Wish I'd used the new one). I am well and truly "Jammed Up"
Anyone have a possible fix? I am happy to do whatever it takes... not worried about data.
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What I would do is return to a full stock. Then run the hack kit. But that is just me as I have never donebit with the CM wiki instructions
This is a common issue with the latest batch of Inspires (post Aug, 2011 MFG). The hardware is different and not compatible with any hboot except the one that ships with the GB RUU. If you downgraded as per the CM wiki, then you necessarilly installed an older hboot and this is the root cause of your problem.
You can easily replace the hboot on an S-OFF Inspire once it finally does boot by simply writing the later hboot image to the hboot partition (partition 18). There's instructions here:
http://paste.pocoo.org/show/495273/
You can jump into the IRC channel if you need some one-on-one help:
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#liberatedAria
Ok, after many hours of fiddling I finally got it back.
I used the hack kit to re-install the stock RUU using the alternate (hboot) method. It took a LONG time, but was successful. I then used the hack kit to re-root the phone and installed CM7 nightlies. The ace hack kit is a wonderful tool, and I thank the author for making it.
Gene Poole said:
This is a common issue with the latest batch of Inspires (post Aug, 2011 MFG). The hardware is different
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Hey Gene so what your saying is all Inspire batches post Aug, 2011 must be rooted using the current acehack kit only right?
And older methods of rooting will cause intermittent booting?
Crazy Food For Thought....
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Hey Gene so what your saying is all Inspire batches post Aug, 2011 must be rooted using the current acehack kit only right?
And older methods of rooting will cause intermittent booting?
Crazy Food For Thought....
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That is correct. The new AHK uses an HTC signed interim firmware patch put out for the DHD which has only a boot.img, radio.img and recovery.img. Fortunately, the radio and boot images are ones that are compatible with gfree and the S-OFF routines can be run without disturbing the rest of the firmware (hboot, system and data mainly), but unfortunately, the kernel is not compatible with the Inspire's graphics hardware so the process literally runs in the dark, and because of the GB changes, it must run in two stages involving both adb and fastboot. USB issues rampant among PCs (so many PC programs assume they are the only program you're ever going to run and so hijack the USB bus thinking you're never going to plug in any other device but theirs) so it is very important that both adb and fastboot drivers can run unimpeded. Occasionally a situation arises where adb runs OK, but fastboot fails and this leave the device in an intermediate state which is not in itself bad, but because there is a blank screen, users freak out and do everything but the right thing (usually involving a "wipe" from hboot) which really screws things up.
Hi Tricotec.
Please, could you describe the steps for doing it. I have the same problem.
Thanks.
nlennis said:
Hi Tricotec.
Please, could you describe the steps for doing it. I have the same problem.
Thanks.
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i also need those steps.
i tried with ruu but white rebooting bootloader it takes around 10 minutes due to which connection time out occurs b/w phone and wire thus ruu is not installing properly, is there any way we can edit ruu exe file to wait for accepting connect for 10 minutes or so
or please tell other steps
sandeep88822 said:
i also need those steps.
i tried with ruu but white rebooting bootloader it takes around 10 minutes due to which connection time out occurs b/w phone and wire thus ruu is not installing properly, is there any way we can edit ruu exe file to wait for accepting connect for 10 minutes or so
or please tell other steps
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Nice!! you messed the bootloader for not reading all the warnings. The only fix for the issue is this one:
http://tau.shadowchild.nl/attn1/?p=188
glevitan said:
Nice!! you messed the bootloader for not reading all the warnings. The only fix for the issue is this one:
http://tau.shadowchild.nl/attn1/?p=188
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i did not did this, i hv gingerbread 2.47 ruu, and i am aware not to downgrade it
its done by my ebay friend, lol he ha sonly that older ruu and he updated 100's of inspire with that, its the first time he got a newer inspire
anyways thanks a lot xda rocks
Hi folks.
You'll have to excuse me, as I know next to nothing about putting roms and whatnot into my phone - but I am super excited about being able to learn how, etc.
I'm currently using a totally stock and normal HTC Sensation 4G and have been since roughly the time it came out with my carrier. The phone has started being... weird, so I'm looking to change things around with it.
Anyways - I've been looking around the site and trying to find what exactly is the best starting point for somebody with absolutely no experience.
I've seen some noob threads here and there, but I'm not sure if they're leading me to readying my phone to throw no a new rom. Is there just some sort of state to put my phone into and then be able to flash whatever rom is available for it?
This is what I started looking at but I'm not sure if this a good jump off or not to ready my phone for fun changes.
Thanks for being patient with me on this.
Read this guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300
Basically, you need to S-OFF your phone, and install a new recovery. Then you can flash new roms from your new recovery.
Use the Revolutionary method in the guide to unlock your phone. Install the Clockworkmod Recovery, and Super CID if you want. That just means that you'll be able to flash a rom meant for *any* carrier, not just your own.
That's it.
59seconds said:
Read this guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192300
Basically, you need to S-OFF your phone, and install a new recovery. Then you can flash new roms from your new recovery.
Use the Revolutionary method in the guide to unlock your phone. Install the Clockworkmod Recovery, and Super CID if you want. That just means that you'll be able to flash a rom meant for *any* carrier, not just your own.
That's it.
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Thanks!
That's exactly what I needed. I plan on digging around when I get home.
Good luck. Just remember to read everything all the way through before you do anything, and make sure that you understand all of the steps. Most of the problems that people have is because they just don't read the information/guides.
59seconds said:
Good luck. Just remember to read everything all the way through before you do anything, and make sure that you understand all of the steps. Most of the problems that people have is because they just don't read the information/guides.
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Fair advice for nearly anything!
Question about doing all this...
Do I have to have my phone connected to my computer? Or is this done primarily through the phone?
You'll need to transfer over some files. Super CID requires you to run commands to your phone from your computer, but that's it. It's definitely worth it to have fastboot and adb running on your computer in case you need it.
59seconds said:
You'll need to transfer over some files. Super CID requires you to run commands to your phone from your computer, but that's it. It's definitely worth it to have fastboot and adb running on your computer in case you need it.
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Great! I will keep that in mind for when I'm there!
Is this generally a long winded process?
Nah The first time is a bit of work since you have to S-OFF your phone and install a recovery. But it's a breeze after that. So many people have done it and the xda forums are very helpful. I followed that guide the first time and had zero problems.
So, hopefully somebody will have a bit of an idea what to do here...
First things first. I'm doing this all through a bootcamp-esque program from my Macbook - and currently on Windows 7, as there's only Windows and Linux available for the Revolutionary method.
I've downloaded the program. Opened it into a folder, etc. Turned on USB debugging and done everything else the tutorial has mentioned.
Has anybody had similar issues before?
speps said:
Hi folks.
You'll have to excuse me, as I know next to nothing about putting roms and whatnot into my phone - but I am super excited about being able to learn how, etc.
I'm currently using a totally stock and normal HTC Sensation 4G and have been since roughly the time it came out with my carrier. The phone has started being... weird, so I'm looking to change things around with it.
Anyways - I've been looking around the site and trying to find what exactly is the best starting point for somebody with absolutely no experience.
I've seen some noob threads here and there, but I'm not sure if they're leading me to readying my phone to throw no a new rom. Is there just some sort of state to put my phone into and then be able to flash whatever rom is available for it?
This is what I started looking at but I'm not sure if this a good jump off or not to ready my phone for fun changes.
Thanks for being patient with me on this.
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You mentioned the phone being "weird", in what way is it weird? If this turns out to be a hardware issue or something that requires you to send the phone back to the manufacturer, rooting the phone can void your warranty (if you have any warranty left).
Please keep this in mind prior to rooting your phone. There is a way to flash your phone back to stock and return S-ON but from what I hear it is a little risky and there is a chance of bricking your phone while doing it (as with any part of the rooting process).
When following directions for rooting, I would advise you to read the whole instructions list first to ensure you have an understanding of the whole process, so you don't get stuck at any steps. Make sure you follow the guides exactly as well.
Never heard of anyone doing this through bootcamp on a MAC, but as with any compatability issues, if you have any strange issues with any of the steps it is best to use a native Windows or Linux machine to perform the rooting process.
I have never had any issues with any rooting process, for my SGS and Sensation XE using a Windows 7 64bit computer.
rickadlee said:
You mentioned the phone being "weird", in what way is it weird? If this turns out to be a hardware issue or something that requires you to send the phone back to the manufacturer, rooting the phone can void your warranty (if you have any warranty left).
Please keep this in mind prior to rooting your phone. There is a way to flash your phone back to stock and return S-ON but from what I hear it is a little risky and there is a chance of bricking your phone while doing it (as with any part of the rooting process).
When following directions for rooting, I would advise you to read the whole instructions list first to ensure you have an understanding of the whole process, so you don't get stuck at any steps. Make sure you follow the guides exactly as well.
Never heard of anyone doing this through bootcamp on a MAC, but as with any compatability issues, if you have any strange issues with any of the steps it is best to use a native Windows or Linux machine to perform the rooting process.
I have never had any issues with any rooting process, for my SGS and Sensation XE using a Windows 7 64bit computer.
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It's been doing a lot of the issues listed here - plus, the battery life is just absolute crap. I've ordered new batteries for it (the 1900mAh Anker ones people here discussed before) and taken a few other steps to try and make it work in my favour a bit more.
I was able to almost complete the S-Off process last night, although I hit a brick wall as it just continued on the "Zerging root" while using Revolutionary. Damn.
I may try again when I get home.
One thing NO ONE ever points you to do but is, in my mind, the most important thing is to try a make sure there is an RUU available for your current ROM.
An RUU (ROM Upgrade Utility) is a complete ROM from HTC which will restore your phone to stock should you need to send it back for a warranty claim.
To check for an RUU, you first need to know your current ROM version that your phone came with. Go to Settings>About phone>Software information and make a note of the 'Software version' e.g. 1.50.401.3
Once you have that, go here and try to find a file name matching the version:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074559
If you find one, download it and keep it safe
EddyOS said:
One thing NO ONE ever points you to do but is, in my mind, the most important thing is to try a make sure there is an RUU available for your current ROM.
An RUU (ROM Upgrade Utility) is a complete ROM from HTC which will restore your phone to stock should you need to send it back for a warranty claim.
To check for an RUU, you first need to know your current ROM version that your phone came with. Go to Settings>About phone>Software information and make a note of the 'Software version' e.g. 1.50.401.3
Once you have that, go here and try to find a file name matching the version:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074559
If you find one, download it and keep it safe
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I'll be sure to do that. Thanks!
Would anybody know why I keep getting stuck at the "zerging root.." portion?
Unless it usually takes a few minutes, it seems to just... hang.
As far as I can tell, everything else is set up correctly for this to work.
Well I decided to jump the hoop and go for rooting my mt4g slide. Was doing great and unlocked it using the lovely All-In-One tool kit and couldn't get the phone to show S-off. I figured I needed to get this done before installing a rom's as I tried 2 different ones and neither would work. Tried a few different things and still wouldn't work to get S-off. Long story short, now I'm in a boot loop where the phone automatically goes into the boot loader. It will start up and show the mytouch splash screen before going into the loader. It will scan the sdcard for files and say there isn't a image etc and go back to the main boot loader screen. I can't do anything beyond that. I hit recovery, factory reset, and nothing. Tried putting roms and see if it would out of the blue read one.
It's my fault for taking the risk but adding a bit of insult to my injury is my back up phone, G1, won't even turn on now. So now I'm kind of phone less. Any suggestions on how to restore hboot?
1st of all WRONG FORUM!!!!!! This is for Development, not questions. That's what general is for. Second, there's a couple threads in General about this. Just hit search.
Magical Mods, may we please have this moved. Thanks.
Sent from my MIUI V4
take out your sdcard and use an adapter to put a stock PG59IMG.zip on your sdcard (make sure its named PG59IMG.zip) and go back into the bootloader. It will confirm if you want to install the zip and in 10 mins you'll be back on stock. Oh and ^ plus one please next time post in general as this has nothing to do with developing.
wow ya'll so testy today. I found the roms and info here in development forgive me for asking the question when something goes wrong on the programing side. One would think developers/programers would be helpful when the thread isn't how great the device is or what the bench marks are. Take a chill pill people.
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wow ya'll so testy today. I found the roms and info here in development forgive me for asking the question when something goes wrong on the programing side. One would think developers/programers would be helpful when the thread isn't how great the device is or what the bench marks are. Take a chill pill people.
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Thread reported just for the use of "take a chill pill."
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Thread reported just for the use of "take a chill pill."
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Yes, the correct terminology is 'Take a chill pill, Bill.
Can't get chill without the Bill.
fsured said:
wow ya'll so testy today. I found the roms and info here in development forgive me for asking the question when something goes wrong on the programing side. One would think developers/programers would be helpful when the thread isn't how great the device is or what the bench marks are. Take a chill pill people.
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Sorry I wasn't "helpful". I'll do better to assist you next time....or just ignore it
I can't help you and I expect you to get a satisfactory answer.
fsured said:
wow ya'll so testy today. I found the roms and info here in development forgive me for asking the question when something goes wrong on the programing side. One would think developers/programers would be helpful when the thread isn't how great the device is or what the bench marks are. Take a chill pill people.
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XMC, a Dev. He helped you, we where all noobs once. You should check out the "Welcome to XDA Video". Just follow the Rules. That's all, follow the rules.
Sent from my MIUI V4
To supplement what Agent said the appropriate section for this would be the General section.
Additionally the development area is where devs post new roms, tools and hacks. Users can add observations to these threads to further development.
Hastily spouted for your befuddlement
fsured said:
Well I decided to jump the hoop and go for rooting my mt4g slide. Was doing great and unlocked it using the lovely All-In-One tool kit and couldn't get the phone to show S-off. I figured I needed to get this done before installing a rom's as I tried 2 different ones and neither would work. Tried a few different things and still wouldn't work to get S-off. Long story short, now I'm in a boot loop where the phone automatically goes into the boot loader. It will start up and show the mytouch splash screen before going into the loader. It will scan the sdcard for files and say there isn't a image etc and go back to the main boot loader screen. I can't do anything beyond that. I hit recovery, factory reset, and nothing. Tried putting roms and see if it would out of the blue read one.
It's my fault for taking the risk but adding a bit of insult to my injury is my back up phone, G1, won't even turn on now. So now I'm kind of phone less. Any suggestions on how to restore hboot?
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"tried a few different things" to get S-Off?
There are two ways of getting S-off. One is done with Revolution if your HBOOT is earlier than 1.45. The other is juopunutbear if your HBOOT is 1.45. Did you check your HBOOT version before "trying a few things"?
Did you read the instructions for the all-in-one toolkit? Or possibly just follow the steps in order in the program? It's specifically designed so you don't need s-off.
I'm assuming you must have flashed CWM recovery since you said you did a factory reset. Did you do Juopunutbear or revolution, or are you planning on leaving S-ON? If S-ON, Did you flash a kernel(boot.img) using the toolkit? If you can get into HBOOT and get into recovery, there's no reason you should need to revert to stock. However, if your plan is to continue doing steps before reading the instructions, you should probably revert to stock anyway before you really do brick your device.
This link will provide you everything you need to get your device running. Just follow the spteps from the beginning. If your bootloader is already unlocked from HTCDev, then start at the step directly after unlocking the bootloader.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1532809
The toolkit worked well for me (even though it was my first attempt at anything), so I guess I'd echo that. It also matched with the step-by-step guides on stuff I found elsewhere in the forum. BUT there is a real difference in the method and order of things for the two hboots, hence KarriOn's questions.
However, having rooted and S-Offed, I then got a bit cocky and managed to end up in a not dissimilar position to you! Total panic, but I managed to get out by thinking through what I'd done, researching, and the cause and hence solution became clear. Took a night sleeping on it, and 2 hours.
what HBOOT?
Did you unlock the boot loader?
Did you get recovery on
Did you do a backup before going any further?
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I followed the all in one tool for everything. I've finally been able to get into cwm recovery. For awhile it wouldn't and I gave up for the night. Came back yesterday morning to tinker with it more and it worked. I've tried flashing the superSu.zip file in cwm and after it reboots it still reads s-on. But either way I can't get the phone to do anything other than boot into the bootloader screen. I'm going to check out the link about 2 posts up and tinker with it after work. Thanks for the replies!
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Oh yeah, that is the tread I used and the tool. After getting unlocked from HTC I tried flashing a rom and it wouldn't work. Figured I needed to get s-off for roms also. That is where my error started.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1532809
Oh yeah, that is the tread I used and the tool. After getting unlocked from HTC I tried flashing a rom and it wouldn't work. Figured I needed to get s-off for roms also. That is where my error started.
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You don't need S-Off for ROMs to work. It sounds like you didn't flash a kernel after installing a ROM. The instructions on doing this are listed in the all-in one tool thread, the "flash ics roms with s-on" thread, and even on the all-in one tool interface itself.
fsured said:
I followed the all in one tool for everything. I've finally been able to get into cwm recovery. For awhile it wouldn't and I gave up for the night. Came back yesterday morning to tinker with it more and it worked. I've tried flashing the superSu.zip file in cwm and after it reboots it still reads s-on. But either way I can't get the phone to do anything other than boot into the bootloader screen. I'm going to check out the link about 2 posts up and tinker with it after work. Thanks for the replies!
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Flashing SuperUser won't get you to S-Off. Hasoon2000 has two different toolkits. One that will guide you through the rooting process and the other on how to gain S-Off using the Juopunutbear method. Having S-Off isn't necessary to root but it will take a few extra steps to flash a different ROM with S-ON. I was too much of a chicken to try the S-Off method since there is some risk involved but several have reported that it worked successfully for them.