Okay so here's my issue my thunderbolt has been lagging really bad the past few days and I noticed that the system is loaded with a ton of HTC system apps that are using a lot of the memory...on my infuse I just got has the same amount of Apps and looks the exact same with fewer system apps and runs great like my thunderbolt used to...so I am curious if I go with a senseless rom with no sense at all will it increase my thunderbolts speed or will it just hide the HTC system stuff but still use it?
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some quick questions;
are you running a gingerbread rom on your tbolt,
what kernel are you using,
which radio
any of these things can play a big part in the performance of your phone, you dont really have to get rid of sense to become fast again, you just have to find the right combo of (listed above).
I am running liquid thundersense with imoesyon over clocked kernel clocked at 1.4ghz running froyo I am unsure about my radio its been a while sense I flashed it
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If sense is done right, there is no lag. The BS that is in the stock ROM... A whole other story.
If you are stock and rooted you can download root explorer...
Make a backup before doing anything!!!!
Under system/app you can remove the things YOU KNOW are not needed. Like, golf, VZ Nav, etc. Delete the things you want gone. I always remove friendstream, HTC Twitter and both their widgets. Market apps are way better and they both are system and battery vampires.
After you clean house... Reboot into clockwork and clear the cache and dalvik to get rid of the bones left behind.
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jeffreymeyer99 said:
I am running liquid thundersense with imoesyon over clocked kernel clocked at 1.4ghz running froyo I am unsure about my radio its been a while sense I flashed it
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i agree with droidtheory about if sense is working correctly it will be with out lag. you may want to consider trying a new rom. my phone runs best on anything the bamf team makes( not saying other roms are bad or anything).
i've gotta ask, why are you still running froyo? i have been on gingerbread since the day bamf released their GB rom, i am currently running bamf3.0 RC3, sense 3.0 is amazingly smooth and awesome.
but if you don't want to change the rom your running, you can(all in recovery) wipe data/cache/dalvik/bat-stats three times each and flash thundersense again. and if you restore with TiBu, or what ever you use, do not restore system data/apps. only restore downloaded apps.
-hope that helps ya
Instead of deleting files/directories, I would suggest grabbing Bloat Freezer from the market. Bloat Freezer hides nonessential apps from the operating system, which serves the same function as deletion. If you freeze something you shouldn't (the phone starts acting weird, new error messages, etc), just unfreeze apps until you get normal function back. You should also check out Autostarts, which prevents apps from launching in the background and sucking battery & network bandwidth.
CM7, the ultimate senseless ROM.
Runs smooth, and is great if you don't mind a couple radio bugs.
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So I'll be coming from a S***sung Craptivate after it killed its own memory, resulting in not having enough room to load a back-up or a fresh ROM after a full wipe. (Phone is actually in two pieces, divided straight across the center) I had the phone flashed with a rooted deodexed and lagfixed ROM (Paragon RC6) and undervolted and stock clock speed (1ghz). I also had a different launcher, text based icons, widgetlocker, basically nothing was "stock" about it, but that was out of need, to fix the shutdown problem, the crappy GPS, the crappy sound, the crappy speed, the crappy lag.. etc etc..
I will be buying a Desire when it is back in stock locally, hopefully with tomorrow's shipment. But I have a few questions...
How much different is everything about modding this phone? I've read the guides and the stickies, and liking the Ingersol ROM (with just a battery notification mod, would like it to be white and turn red below 15% instead of the crazy colors it does.)
I only have 3 questions really... but one or more may become more. Please bare with me.
1. It looks like to root I'd have to DOWNGRADE.. what does this downgrade affect, or is an up-to-date version flashed after the root?
2. Can anybody tell me what HTC Sense is all about? Is it the launcher? It seems like a combination of apps already out there but from HTC (Flip to silence for example). What do I lose by going with a non-sense ROM? Also I take it using Desire based ROMs don't use Sense? But why would people want to use a ROM based off a different phone altogether?
3. Gingerbread ROMs (CM7 and the like) were buggier than all hell on the Captivate. Sure it looked good (but that's theming) and was supposed to be fast, but all over the Craptivate develpment forums was posts about widgets/apps not working, not refreshing, or force closing constantly with 2.3.3. A lot of the phones functionality was lost too, like the ability to take pictures, or use it for social networking (Facebook not working..). How do the 2.3.3 ROMs take to the Inspire?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advanced!
You need to downgrade to get unknown sources back. HTC sense is basically a theme that designed for there phone if I'm not mistaking. The gingerbread themes here are very smooth and good. You will encounter bugs but that will always be fix from the developers
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1. It looks like to root I'd have to DOWNGRADE.. what does this downgrade affect, or is an up-to-date version flashed after the root?
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It only enables the exploit to get S-OFF (think recovery 2e from the Captivate, vs 3e which required signed update.zip's). Once done, you don't have to worry about it again. There are plenty of stock based ROM's like TPC or dilligaf for you to choose from if you so desire.
2. Can anybody tell me what HTC Sense is all about? Is it the launcher? It seems like a combination of apps already out there but from HTC (Flip to silence for example). What do I lose by going with a non-sense ROM? Also I take it using Desire based ROMs don't use Sense? But why would people want to use a ROM based off a different phone altogether?
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Sense is more than the launcher, it is a complete rework of the Android framework, like TouchWiz, but nowhere near as craptacular. It is actually useful. Any HTC sourced ROM will originally have Sense in it, but some HTC ROM's that say "no-sense" have a good chunk of that removed and are more like AOSP Android, but not quite all the way. Then there are other ROM's like CyanogenMod, which are based on actual Google AOSP code and have NO HTC software in them. It really is your choice which to use. I tend to flip between them. My personal favorites are CM7 and RCMixHD 5.9.4. I would flash them both to see what your preference is.
3. Gingerbread ROMs (CM7 and the like) were buggier than all hell on the Captivate. Sure it looked good (but that's theming) and was supposed to be fast, but all over the Craptivate develpment forums was posts about widgets/apps not working, not refreshing, or force closing constantly with 2.3.3. A lot of the phones functionality was lost too, like the ability to take pictures, or use it for social networking (Facebook not working..). How do the 2.3.3 ROMs take to the Inspire?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advanced!
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They work perfectly, with only the minorest of troubles that tend to be app specific, like the Gmail word wrap issue(which is not even a big deal at all). I haven't used a Froyo ROM in weeks.
And finally, welcome from another former Craptivate user! You will be MUCH happier with this phone.
Thanks!
In terms of stability, "snappiness" (at 1ghz clock speed), and resource consumption/management, is there a noticeable difference between Sense based, and AOSP based ROMs?
I'm also looking for decent battery life. I understand that screen on time and brightness, along with reception are the biggest consumers, but do one of the above based ROMs seem to do a better job of managing power consumption?
I am pretty weary of flashing a GB ROM just because of the numerous compatibility issues that I witnessed on the craptivate forum..
On the RCmix ROM, does it come overclocked by default? It says to use SetCPU to adjust it, so I'm assuming it runs at 1.0 ghz right off the flash? That ROM along with the theme with the white notification bar icons seems to be what I'll be flashing first. Thanks for the helpful information thus far!
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Thanks!
In terms of stability, "snappiness" (at 1ghz clock speed), and resource consumption/management, is there a noticeable difference between Sense based, and AOSP based ROMs?
I'm also looking for decent battery life. I understand that screen on time and brightness, along with reception are the biggest consumers, but do one of the above based ROMs seem to do a better job of managing power consumption?
I am pretty weary of flashing a GB ROM just because of the numerous compatibility issues that I witnessed on the craptivate forum..
On the RCmix ROM, does it come overclocked by default? It says to use SetCPU to adjust it, so I'm assuming it runs at 1.0 ghz right off the flash? That ROM along with the theme with the white notification bar icons seems to be what I'll be flashing first. Thanks for the helpful information thus far!
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The only thing about sense that really eats battery is the constant data usage of the HTC sense account, if you don't set up an account, your battery life should be rather good. As far as the gb roms they are all working very well, and you will find a small bug here and there, but all the major roms are very good daily drivers.
Most of the roms here have numorous tweaks for stability and snappiness, and you would probably be pleased with any of the major ones. I would say there is more difference between stock sense and tweaked sense than tweaked sense and no sense as far as performance goes. I ran stock for all of a few hours when I got this phone, and have been on a few roms with and without sense, and all of them have been very snappy and smooth.
Any of the major roms that support clock speed adjustments will use setcpu to adjust it, you can run at basically any speed setcpu lets you(within reason, and check the rom post for exceptions and recomendations) I currently run at a maximum of 1.5ghz on miui and my battery life is just as good as it was running 1.2ghz on android revolution.
And last but not least, don't be afraid of gingerbread here, most major bugs have been worked out and 90% of the problems posted about are due to the installer, not the rom.
Welcome aboard!
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Just an add on note:
Gingerbread sense ROMs do not have overclocking right now. But really they are so butter smooth especially when compared to a captivate. RCMix5.9.3 has no compatibility issues I have found.
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Is there any gingerbread non sense Rom ?
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XAviierG said:
Is there any gingerbread non sense Rom ?
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MIUI and CM7 pop to mind. Those are AOSP sourced.
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MIUI and CM7 pop to mind. Those are AOSP sourced.
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Those are gingerbread? I thought they werent.
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Those are gingerbread? I thought they werent.
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Yes they are. 2.3.3.
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Those are gingerbread? I thought they werent.
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Yep they are GB. There is also Ultimate Droid, which I am using now. This is the best ROM I have used so far, but all of them have been rock solid as far as performance goes. I don't think you will find a bad ROM on here. You will recognize some of the devs from the captivate forums.
As for my battery life. I have been unplugged for just over 15hrs and I am down to 21%. That is with 2 push email accounts, 3 hours streaming rhapsody, 2 hours mp3 music, 30 mins of calls, and about 1 hour of browsing/gaming. It also helps that I am on wifi for 90% of the day.
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Yep they are GB. There is also Ultimate Droid, which I am using now. This is the best ROM I have used so far, but all of them have been rock solid as far as performance goes. I don't think you will find a bad ROM on here. You will recognize some of the devs from the captivate forums.
As for my battery life. I have been unplugged for just over 15hrs and I am down to 21%. That is with 2 push email accounts, 3 hours streaming rhapsody, 2 hours mp3 music, 30 mins of calls, and about 1 hour of browsing/gaming. It also helps that I am on wifi for 90% of the day.
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Have you tried Phoenix
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Xaviier my man u may post,but a lot of times your information is short with not much Info.lmao buddy cm7 is pure gingerbread and miui. And htc sense is they user interface...meaning its the over lay on top of android. Without the ui, it would be pure vanillia.sense pretty much makes the experience of using the layout of android a lot more customizable with exclusive sense Widgets,sync options,even that beautiful clock. Kinda like how ur cappy had the touchwiz interface,just a lot better.
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Xaviier my man u may post,but a lot of times your information is short with not much Info.lmao buddy cm7 is pure gingerbread and miui. And htc sense is they user interface...meaning its the over lay on top of android. Without the ui, it would be pure vanillia.sense pretty much makes the experience of using the layout of android a lot more customizable with exclusive sense Widgets,sync options,even that beautiful clock. Kinda like how ur cappy had the touchwiz interface,just a lot better.
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Haha yeah I do post a bit. IM always on my phone and its just everything going on and I try to make It simple. Once again thanks for putting that all out
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Have you tried Phoenix
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Not yet but I plan to. I used Adam's ROMs on my Captivate and they were top notch.
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Not yet but I plan to. I used Adam's ROMs on my Captivate and they were top notch.
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yeah its good. IM currently using the ultimate droid
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Are there any benefits of going with the GB version of RCmix versus the Froyo version? Basically I don't feel comfortable flashing an OS not designed for the device so I'm leaning towards the Froyo based version of that ROM.
Thanks agian for all the help. Really looking forward to this phone. Using a S***sung Mythic for the time being, I can't even type on this phone...
It all depends what theme goes with you.
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Are there any benefits of going with the GB version of RCmix versus the Froyo version? Basically I don't feel comfortable flashing an OS not designed for the device so I'm leaning towards the Froyo based version of that ROM.
Thanks agian for all the help. Really looking forward to this phone. Using a S***sung Mythic for the time being, I can't even type on this phone...
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I've gotten better performance out of the GB ROMs I have used. I believe that ROM is based off the leaked GB for the Desire HD which is the same thing as the Inspire, so you shouldn't have any worries about it not being designed for this phone.
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yeah its good. IM currently using the ultimate droid
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Yea, the UD ROM is really good. I've been on it for the past week or so and it is running like a champ. Making it really hard to switch to something else.
Hi,
Is there a ROM comparison chart somewhere for Nexus S?
I'm looking forward to a ROM, which is:
based on 2.3.4.
has a notification power widget.
has 3G SIP calling.
(sort of) stable.
fast.
Some nice to have features:
Lock-screen tweaks.
Battery percentage hack.
Permission management.
Any ideas?
CM7 nightly seemed to be a good choice, but it freezes time to time.
I am using infin1ty. Solid as a rock and fast too.
I think it fulfils your wish list.
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Graham19 said:
I am using infin1ty. Solid as a rock and fast too.
I think it fulfils your wish list.
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does the same for me
Graham19 said:
I am using infin1ty. Solid as a rock and fast too.
I think it fulfils your wish list.
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Thanks for the tips! I've just flashed the latest infin1ty.
There are some nice touch, like working Video Chat and a nice Battery icon, but two things bug me:
Skype crashes
Seems laggy to me a little, even laggier when CM7 nightly.
I'll keep trying it and we'll see...
Balázs
I've been running Infin1ty for a few days, upgraded to the new version this morning and really no lag on my end. Hated the battery icon so built a new one in UOT Kitchen and now it's looking good.
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[*]Skype crashes
[*]Seems laggy to me a little, even laggier when CM7 nightly.
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no idea about skype.
i played arround a bit with the cpu settings (No-frills CPU control) and voltage settings (proton) and i got a really smooth fast and stable rom. so just give it a try
I prefer CM7 never had any freezing issues.
I use with ogdobber 2.3.4 kernel
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The current CM kang coupled with morfics UV kernel is running so incredibly fast!
Not to mention I haven't experienced ANY stability issue as of yet!
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Just give them all a test ride and see which one you like best. I'm on superasop ATM and so far it's been the snappiest rom I've tried. Still not perfect though.
It has everything in your list though.
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Use benchmark in the android market.
Just to give this a bump as I'm looking for the same thing as OP but would like to know more about what everyone thinks. I m on cm7.0.3 atm and its really frustrating how it restarts out of the blue or gets into a bootloop. with the features listed by the OP, which rom is the most stable?
Good idea...
SuperAosp has been really, really good to me. I did an original wipe and reinstall a month ago, and it is has been really good and snappy ever since, even through non-wipe upgrades to ROM.
Heeter
I'm using ZuluZulu rom, fast and stable. Tried lot of cm based roms but this one is almost no random reboot like cm.
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NSCollab or ZuluGen are the best!
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SuperAosp has been really, really good to me. I did an original wipe and reinstall a month ago, and it is has been really good and snappy ever since, even through non-wipe upgrades to ROM.
Heeter
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I've just flashed SuperAosp. First impressions:
Really nice icons and theme.
Nice animations!
Video chat is nice, but it works only one way. I can see both myself and the called party on the phone, but the called party cannot see me on Gmail. Might not be related to the ROM, though.
ROM Manager is crashing. I can live without that app, though.
Very laggy. I expect the operating system to react immediately, but sometimes it lags for 1 sec or more when the system is busy. This is most probably due to I/O scheduling issues.
I'll probably give other ROMs a try as well.
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I'm using ZuluZulu rom, fast and stable. Tried lot of cm based roms but this one is almost no random reboot like cm.
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I've tested ZuluZulu: I flashed it, factory reset, set my accounts up, started to restore the Apps with Titanium Backup, and all of a sudden, it rebooted.
My first impression was that it is a pretty responsive ROM, but somehow this reboot did not make me happy.
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I'm looking forward to a ROM, which is:
based on 2.3.4.
has a notification power widget.
has 3G SIP calling.
(sort of) stable.
fast.
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Uhm, how about stock...?
Wow, Bud,
1 sec of lag?
1 reboot?
Maybe you should just stick to stock.
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I've tested ZuluZulu: I flashed it, factory reset, set my accounts up, started to restore the Apps with Titanium Backup, and all of a sudden, it rebooted.
My first impression was that it is a pretty responsive ROM, but somehow this reboot did not make me happy.
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Well even a stock rom gets a random reboot, just give it time. As long as a rom doesn't random hung or reboot in a call that's a keeper for me. Anyway you have your own idea on what you want in a rom. Hope you find one.
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So far in my experience with all the custom roms, ive found that the stock kd1 deodexed rom is best. Although quadrant scores arent best i can deal with this roms cpu. Like i dont see any big changes from OC'ing the phone and 1.0 ghz. And you can still do all the tweaks, butbthe theme seems more best for me. I love bionix frost, and the trigger 0.4. Theyre clean and stable. But i always have the urge to go back to stock.
Am i the only one here, or like whats the best set up with a rom?
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I agree i flashed 2.3.3 played with it about 10 mins later founx myself back to stock
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At this point, I prefer stock, as I haven't seen any themes that I really like. I would like to make something using touchwiz, but without all the bright text colors and menu icons. Not as desaturated as black ice though, something in between.
I'd build one, but I can't seem to get APK manager to work correctly. or at least I can't figure out how to point it to the correct location of the adb program in the SDK
Thanks for your agreements guys! Lol i felt like i was loner...
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I will say, I am on Black Ice, Bali v3.2 with fugi tweaks and OC 1.25 GHz, and ext 4 on data only. I notice a huge difference in respone compared without any modding. Now I will say most of that is due to the tweaks and OC and not the ROM, but I would still say a little is due to the ROM since it removes some of the bloat that comes with the stock.
Although, I will admit I added TeleNav back on since Black Ice takes it out since it is such a large app. I don't care for google map directions as much.
I'm running the stock rom + root and deodexed from whitehawkx though, so I was able to remove a ton of the bloatware, and add a few apps to tweak performance, so it has been running great for me, and I'm getting great battery life (nearly 48hrs).
I did remove telenav, only because it launches a background process that runs all the time, even when you aren't using the program.
Oh i didnt oit any tweaks on mine yet! Lol i just like the feeling of stock.
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do this phone have a small lag or has anyone notice a lag right when they got their phone from the store? i come from a Samsung epic and the epic didn't have a lag even with all the bloatware that was install to it, i haven't done anything to mine i haven't even rooted, how can i troubleshoot my stock charge ?
Be more specific, we don't know what "lag" you're referring too. Home page being choppy? Download speeds? Browser being choppy?
when i had got mine and had it stock it was kind off laggy. TW was laggy as well as the notification bar. I rooted and flashed eclipse 1.3.1 and peanut butta jelly time and now have noooo lag what so ever. i highly suggest you try eclipse 1.3.1
i have used every froyo rom and eclipse 1.3.1 is def. the best. also enable voodoo lagfix if u decide to root and flash roms and kernels
Mine had lag right out the box. Not swiping between home screens or anything but when opening Apps like messenging and stuff. It wasn't terrible but I noticed. That has since gone since flashing gummycharged.
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I had lag too when I was in stock. I still get lag every now and again with gummycharged but its not as bad. I'm thinking about trying eclipse
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Finished moving from Stock, to than REFUSED 1.7 to Stock again, and than to UNFSUED V2.
The stock had serious lag (home screen especially - i hate it when you see that choppiness when moving between home screens), the refused was good and the infuse is also laggy.
Perhaps it's other differences (like wallpaper?) that makes it slower? Or is this a known issue with the Infused?
Thanks!!!!
Its probably because you have apps running in the background. Download advanced task killer and set it to auto kill. Then itll auto kill all the background apps
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Funny, my Infuse seems to be really zippy and solid on stock. I had a couple issues initially with the market and downloading apps, but they were resolved with a cache wipe and reboot.
I would not recommend using advanced task killer. Phones qith froyo and up really have no need for regular use of a task killer.
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Infused v2 has a few known issues with touchscreen responsiveness after lock. Also the CPU governor needs a little tuning... It's a matter of gtg kanging a commit and rebuilding kernel, netarchy gave us a fix.