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[Q] captivate and AT&T's basic phone unlimited data plan

Hey guys, my 1st post here.
i am on AT&T and i am going for galaxy s device, obvious choice being captivate, but i want to know if i have basic unlimited data plan (the one for my current SE w760, $15/month) will continue to work? i am going to buy captivate from ebay, not directly from AT&T, so can i still use non-smartphone data plan for captivate? cuz if im not getting unlimited data, i will prefer going to Vibrant.

It will work fine, but AT&T will eventually notice and switch you to an "appropriate" plan.

thank you for the reply, but then what if i go for Vibrant instead of captivate? that way AT&T cant change my plan to smartphone plan right?

It depends on whether they have the Vibrant's IMEIs in their database. It's possible they don't, but it's possible they do.
But then you would have to get an unlocked Vibrant, and would you even be able to use the 200MB on the smartphone $15 plan since you'd be using EDGE (I'm assuming the Vibrant doesn't have AT&T 3G).

I'm good friends with a manager from an AT&T store, and yes, it will change, unfortunately, even if you got the Vibrant... Had to ask him pretty much the same question for a friend of mine, and they manage to see that you have a data/smart phone pretty quick.

yeah that is true, clocking 200MB on EDGE is not that probable, but that is my deciding factor. if i can get unlimited 3G on captivate (i guess AT&T no longer has an unlimited plan) then i would go for captivate else i would go for Vibrant, as vibrant is better in many aspects than captivate, especially less bloatware and more useful apps pre-loaded.

And you can get an unlocked Vibrant?

thats a shame, but then in that case Vibrant is better choice, as having a limited 3G is a pain, and that was the only reason i was going for captivate over vibrant.
and yes there are lots of unlocked vibrants on ebay from pretty reputed sellers.

xargs1 said:
It will work fine, but AT&T will eventually notice and switch you to an "appropriate" plan.
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In my case they didn't. I used my at&t Tilt (Kaiser) on MEdia Net Unlimited for the last two years. I never got switched back to the smartphone data plan or got any sort of nasty note about using too much data.

I had a unlocked G1 on At&t and after configuring the APNs I had unlimited data for $15 a month. Needless to say there was no 3g but it still worked with no issues.

If you have an old unlimited data plan, its called grandfathered I think. Anyways, if you have an old smartphone plan it should just stay the same as long its the smartphone, I still had my unlimited plan when I switch from iPhone 3GS to SGS. But I don't know if you have the smartphone unlimited data plan since you mention the 15 dollars one. I would go directly to AT&T cooperate store and speak in person cuz representative on the phone are just dumb! LOL so yeah meeting in person would be good.
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mlb1988 said:
If you have an old unlimited data plan, its called grandfathered I think. Anyways, if you have an old smartphone plan it should just stay the same as long its the smartphone, I still had my unlimited plan when I switch from iPhone 3GS to SGS. But I don't know if you have the smartphone unlimited data plan since you mention the 15 dollars one. I would go directly to AT&T cooperate store and speak in person cuz representative on the phone are just dumb! LOL so yeah meeting in person would be good.
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OP doesn't have any smartphone plan to be grandfathered in.

chirantan.f said:
yeah that is true, clocking 200MB on EDGE is not that probable, but that is my deciding factor. if i can get unlimited 3G on captivate (i guess AT&T no longer has an unlimited plan) then i would go for captivate else i would go for Vibrant, as vibrant is better in many aspects than captivate, especially less bloatware and more useful apps pre-loaded.
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200 MB on EDGE is easy to do on the Captivate. I'm already past that point and I do use Wifi at home.

so from all the posts, i think getting a captivate means i have to pay for smartphone plan, even though i should have an option to cancel the data plans totally (while some forums say that i cant cancel a data plan, but i dont believe thats the case if i have bought the phone at full price and not subsidized).
Now i am interested in seeing what will AT&T do if i go for Vibrant (instead of Captivate) and use the non-smartphone data plan on it. I doubt they will know what is connected as they wont have IMEI for Vibrant (some forums said that AT&T does differentiate their smartphones based on the list of IMEIs) so with Vibrant i should be able to use non-smartphone data-plan, what do you guys think about that?

chirantan.f said:
so from all the posts, i think getting a captivate means i have to pay for smartphone plan, even though i should have an option to cancel the data plans totally (while some forums say that i cant cancel a data plan, but i dont believe thats the case if i have bought the phone at full price and not subsidized).
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AT&T requires ALL smartphones to have data plan regardless how you purchased it. Just ask any Nexus One owners.
Now i am interested in seeing what will AT&T do if i go for Vibrant (instead of Captivate) and use the non-smartphone data plan on it. I doubt they will know what is connected as they wont have IMEI for Vibrant (some forums said that AT&T does differentiate their smartphones based on the list of IMEIs) so with Vibrant i should be able to use non-smartphone data-plan, what do you guys think about that?
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Personally, if I'm only getting EDGE speed, I'll not pay any data plan for it. It's like you buy a top of line PC today and put a dialup networking for internet connection.

[Q] NO data plan?

If i was to buy an Inspire from craigslist and pop my sim card in that has no data plan, would i stil be ablke to use the phone just without a data plan? thanks!

Probably, until att emails you and tells you they are going to upgrade you to a data plan when they do and imei check.

haha o man that will get me in trouble with the rents! haha, is there anyway i can be like no, you cannot do that, i didnt buy it from yall

Can't do that
ATT will detect which phone you are using and automatically add the data plan on.

i am currently using an iphone 3g for about a year now and they havent done that to me yet...before using the iphone however, my dad told them to cut off any access or ability for me to use data. is that why they havent made me add on a plan?

ThroughHymn said:
i am currently using an iphone 3g for about a year now and they havent done that to me yet...before using the iphone however, my dad told them to cut off any access or ability for me to use data. is that why they havent made me add on a plan?
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Its possible you have a old smartphone opt out feature on your account. This was added for people that had a smartphone b4 data was a requirement and had to be grandfathered in.
I was under the impression that the iPhone overrode this but i could be wrong
Drew

ThroughHymn said:
If i was to buy an Inspire from craigslist and pop my sim card in that has no data plan, would i stil be ablke to use the phone just without a data plan? thanks!
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I've recently updated to the inspire from an original unlocked iphone 2g. I've been using it without a data plan for the past 3 years. At the start, they used to send me text messages about not having a data plan. That lasted about a month or two when I originally bought the phone. And I never heard another thing about it since then.
One little note I found in the contract of the new agreement. It states that "You realize that your smartphone requires a data plan, and if detected you allow AT&T to add the according data plan to your contract." I'm not really happy about that because I did infact not want to keep the data plan. To me it's a waste of money as I live in Philly and wi-fi is everywhere which is faster.
Anyways. I say that if you buy the phone from craigslist and pop in your old sim card, there is nothing AT&T can do. You didn't sign a new contract that has those agreements within. Therefore that can't just turn a data plan on for you if you didn't sign that contract/agreement.
So my answer from experience is that without a doubt you can use the phone bought from craigslist without a data plan. And provided that agreement isn't in your contract, AT&T cannot just turn on the data plan without you knowing.

I bought a capitvate off of ebay 6 months ago and put my sim card in without a data plan, and a month ago I bought an inspire and att has never sent me a message or nothing.

ooo ok i see, thakns guys! now ill just need to generate some money to go buy one! haha

If you unlock it, AT&T can't tell what phone you are using.....
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G2x working on web2go or t-zones?

G2x working on web2go or t-zones?
FYI, T-mobile has a list of all IMEI matched up to its respective device. It's up to T-mobile whether or not it's black-listed. That's why sometimes when calling CSR, they will be able to call you that you have an iPhone despite T-mobile not carrying the iPhone. You may argue, "nexus14, when I log into mytmobile.com, my phone shows up as a blank image! therefore, T-mobile must not know what phone I'm carrying."
Wrong. T-mobile knows -- it's either T-mobile doesn't have a stock image of your device or it hasn't been programed into their website yet. Regardless, there exist some sort of master IMEI list that links up to each respective device.

nexus14 said:
G2x working on web2go or t-zones?
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I will let you know tomorrow
I am wondering if i will have to buy the phone outright to keep my tzones or if they will consider that a data plan and let me use my upgrade...

JHaste said:
I will let you know tomorrow
I am wondering if i will have to buy the phone outright to keep my tzones or if they will consider that a data plan and let me use my upgrade...
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My understanding is regardless of buying outright, they have the imei numbers in there database from these phones and would prompt you for an upgrade and wouldnt work. Isnt it the nexus phones that t-mobile doesnt get the imei numbers from?

I highly doubt it will work.
MyTouch 4 and OT don't work with my grandfathered web2go (got error page), so don't have high hope.

mesajoejoe said:
My understanding is regardless of buying outright, they have the imei numbers in there database from these phones and would prompt you for an upgrade and wouldnt work. Isnt it the nexus phones that t-mobile doesnt get the imei numbers from?
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I believe it was only the Nexus One that didn't have its IMEI documented with T-Mobile. When I switched over to my Nexus S, I was no longer able to use my $10 data plan. It was a real kick in the crotch.
And that's the Nexus S, which wasn't even sold directly from T-Mo. I wouldn't get my hopes up about web2go on the G2X

sosquidtaste said:
I believe it was only the Nexus One that didn't have its IMEI documented with T-Mobile. When I switched over to my Nexus S, I was no longer able to use my $10 data plan. It was a real kick in the crotch.
And that's the Nexus S, which wasn't even sold directly from T-Mo. I wouldn't get my hopes up about web2go on the G2X
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I can confirm that $10 web2go (not 200MB) works with nexus one but NOT NS (except you root it and move /efs folder to safe place).
As I have "4G web" tagged on my EM+ 3 in 1 plan, I am fine with it, but 3rd line (with web2go) will have problem.

t-zones/web2go will not work on the g2x.
i heard in settings, there isnt an option to edit the apn in order for one to use t-zones/web2go.
so there will be a point in time where we will all have to cough up $30 data plan or whatever..

SupremeC281 said:
t-zones/web2go will not work on the g2x.
i heard in settings, there isnt an option to edit the apn in order for one to use t-zones/web2go.
so there will be a point in time where we will all have to cough up $30 data plan or whatever..
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There is an option to add a new APN, you just can't modify the default epc.tmobile.com one.
Oddly enough my web2go (or whatever the $10 dollar plan is called) is working. I'm using the internet2.voicestream.com.
Hopefully it stays this way.

erikikaz said:
There is an option to add a new APN, you just can't modify the default epc.tmobile.com one.
Oddly enough my web2go (or whatever the $10 dollar plan is called) is working. I'm using the internet2.voicestream.com.
Hopefully it stays this way.
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No phone yet... but if web2go works then t-zones should work... they use the same apn's
and i am coming from a nexus one...

It might work for a short period like the NS did. But eventually, but will start blocking imei. If web2go works, this would be THE phone and the end of all the HD2er
Sent from HTC HD2 with Android

JHaste said:
I will let you know tomorrow
I am wondering if i will have to buy the phone outright to keep my tzones or if they will consider that a data plan and let me use my upgrade...
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If you do the upgrade thru their website, you are not automatically forced into a data plan. But by doing this, you will not get MIR.
Sent from HTC HD2 with Android

In the G2x thread in the Nexus One forums, someone just said that web2go is working on their new G2x.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13007480&postcount=129

This is good news. I hope it stays this way and more people confirm it working it the coming weeks.

Damn I just got a HTC Incredible S (it works with T-zones) and I am going to be upset at myself for not getting this instead.
If the phone works for one billing cycle on Web2go/T-zones, I think we will be gold. Hope T-Mobile throws its loyal customers a bone with allowing this to work on non-capped dumbphone plans.

Das_mobile said:
Damn I just got a HTC Incredible S (it works with T-zones) and I am going to be upset at myself for not getting this instead.
If the phone works for one billing cycle on Web2go/T-zones, I think we will be gold. Hope T-Mobile throws its loyal customers a bone with allowing this to work on non-capped dumbphone plans.
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htc IS works on t-zone/web2go? confirmed? where can I get more info?

coldest~~~ said:
htc IS works on t-zone/web2go? confirmed? where can I get more info?
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Yes it works, check the HTC IS thread or HoFo

Day 2....how is it going for all Web2go/T-zones people?
Thinking about trying it out....

Das_mobile said:
Day 2....how is it going for all Web2go/T-zones people?
Thinking about trying it out....
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Okay, but I expect it won't last long.

I had to get a new sim card for my phone so my tzones plan had to go ...

JHaste said:
I had to get a new sim card for my phone so my tzones plan had to go ...
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Why did you have to dump T Zones when you got a new sim card?

Contract Dilemma.

Okay, so I just recently switched to Att, coming from T-Mobile. For T-mobile, I had a regular Family plan minutes and unlimited texting, so NO data plan. I've always used smart phones without being charged or being forced upon a data plan. Which is why i miss it.
But I heard that for att, if you dont hava a data plan you must use your phone, else they'll force the data plan on you. Is there anyway around it? Like for me to use an android or windows 7 phone without being forced the data plan.

You will need an non at&t branded phone in order to get around the data plan requirement for smartphones in at&t.
Your old tmobile phone will likely work on at&t if you don't care about data speeds.

newter55 said:
You will need an non at&t branded phone in order to get around the data plan requirement for smartphones in at&t.
Your old tmobile phone will likely work on at&t if you don't care about data speeds.
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So get a T-mobile phone, and unlock it? And ill be able to use the wifi and all that good stuff without being charged?

Hahah soo yes...noo? Lol

Yes that should work for what you want to do

newter55 said:
Yes that should work for what you want to do
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Okay, thanks a lot.

Nexus S + at&t prepaid

Hey everyone, just had a quick question.
Is anyone currently, or previously, gotten the Nexus S successfully working on at&t's $50 unlimited everything plan? Data doesn't seem to work and I've tried a couple APNs. So, has anyone had success with this?
Thanks!

If they at&t catch you IMEI as a smartphone and a data hog they will cancel you if you don't get a data plan.

mahanddeem said:
If they at&t catch you IMEI as a smartphone and a data hog they will cancel you if you don't get a data plan.
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Why? Sounds like unlimited everything should include a data plan.

Not to be off topic, but AT&T is like that. If they realize you have an Android Smartphone, I am sure they will try to add other 'data' charges. Simple Mobile would be the way to go for Prepaid. It's $40 a month unlimited everything. And data should work out of the sim card box.

obsanity said:
Why? Sounds like unlimited everything should include a data plan.
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yes,unlimited for "dump" phones , read the little disclaimer below and it has all the "suprises"....

im guessing you have the phone already, tmobile let me use my nexus one with a prepaid card data and all

mahanddeem said:
yes,unlimited for "dump" phones , read the little disclaimer below and it has all the "suprises"....
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Oh yeah. I forgot this is att were talking about. Bunch of scum bags.