I'm currently with Tmobile and just upgraded my phone to the Sensation. I love the device and can't wait for the potential it will be unleashed once it's unlocked. However, have you guys wonder what would happen to Sensation once Tmobile is merge with ATT?
Our 3G/4G won't be compatible with ATT unless I'm wrong. Although it doesn't make the device useless, it's a large investment that can't be use to its fullest features.
It's been reported they will give a "Comparable" phone if that did happen. They will have to do something to avoid having a suit filed against them.
the merger, if approved, wouldn't happen till next june. Nothing would change at that point, except the name at the top of the bill. T-mob towers would still operate for years to come
tdy2kn1 said:
I'm currently with Tmobile and just upgraded my phone to the Sensation. I love the device and can't wait for the potential it will be unleashed once it's unlocked. However, have you guys wonder what would happen to Sensation once Tmobile is merge with ATT?
Our 3G/4G won't be compatible with ATT unless I'm wrong. Although it doesn't make the device useless, it's a large investment that can't be use to its fullest features.
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They have to add our frequency to their network is mandatory by FCC
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That's good to know. Make me feel more comfortable about the purchase
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There's a couple of things to take in to consideration when pondering whether the merger gets approved.
1) Deutsche Telekom, T-Mobile's parent, has the business listed on their books as "discontinued operations." It's an accounting practice that they wouldn't have used unless they felt there was a high likelihood the acquisition was going to go through.
2) T-Mobile's hemorrhaging more profitable pre-paid customers which is by far the most profitable business segment in the retail wireless business. They lost over 400K of them in Q1 2011 while VZW, AT&T, and Sprint showed gains. Also, T-Mobile's customer quality is the worst out of the big 4 with the highest amount of bad debt write-off. Since they have less than half the corporate accounts (an even more profitable segment) of either VZW or AT&T, their earnings tanked in Q1. Everyone expects Q2's numbers to be even worse. If they are, T-Mobile and AT&T will tell the approval bodies there's risk of the businesses viability as a stand-alone. That threat gives even those that don't support the deal an out by allowing them to say its approval was necessary.
Bottom line is that the deal is much more likely to go through than not. I know that T-Mobile fans aren't too fond of AT&T but the combined and rationalized network will give both sets of customers better coverage and faster data speeds.
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There's a couple of things to take in to consideration when pondering whether the merger gets approved.
1) Deutsche Telekom, T-Mobile's parent, has the business listed on their books as "discontinued operations." It's an accounting practice that they wouldn't have used unless they felt there was a high likelihood the acquisition was going to go through.
2) T-Mobile's hemorrhaging more profitable pre-paid customers which is by far the most profitable business segment in the retail wireless business. They lost over 400K of them in Q1 2011 while VZW, AT&T, and Sprint showed gains. Also, T-Mobile's customer quality is the worst out of the big 4 with the highest amount of bad debt write-off. Since they have less than half the corporate accounts (an even more profitable segment) of either VZW or AT&T, their earnings tanked in Q1. Everyone expects Q2's numbers to be even worse. If they are, T-Mobile and AT&T will tell the approval bodies there's risk of the businesses viability as a stand-alone. That threat gives even those that don't support the deal an out by allowing them to say its approval was necessary.
Bottom line is that the deal is much more likely to go through than not. I know that T-Mobile fans aren't too fond of AT&T but the combined and rationalized network will give both sets of customers better coverage and faster data speeds.
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I agree. I have also heard ATT has donate 500k to politicians making it all the likelihood the merger will go through.
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other than maybe higher monthly prices, i think that the merger is beneficial for us: more devices, better coverage, roll over minutes, etc...
about the question: att will provide users with an equivalent handset, so basicaly we will get a new state of art handset, whichever one is out at that time, and you can be sure that it will be more advanced than the sensation by that time.
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other than maybe higher monthly prices, i think that the merger is beneficial for us: more devices, better coverage, roll over minutes, etc...
about the question: att will provide users with an equivalent handset, so basicaly we will get a new state of art handset, whichever one is out at that time, and you can be sure that it will be more advanced than the sensation by that time.
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It'll be a year to eighteen months before T-Mobile's bands are re-proportioned. By then everyone will be toward the latter half of their two year agreements. I'd guess AT&T would allow T-Mobile'rs to keep their plan pricing and get a new subsidized phone of their choice with some sort of additional discount if they renew their contracts. Those that don't re-up would get their handsets replaced free of charge. I doubt AT&T will replace a then year to eighteen month old handset with their latest and greatest for free. So, and I'm only guessing, your willingness to renew will most likely effect the handset you get.
Less compition is never good
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Hopefully the corporate anti-trust greed merger fails, so that we tmob's can live happily ever after!
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They have to add our frequency to their network is mandatory by FCC
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This is actually false. In order for ATT to "add" TMO's frequencies they would have to purchase, install and turn up new equipment at every cell site plus upgrade their switches to handle that new equipment. Next, if ATT does that, and transfers TMO's customers to their network on TMO's bands then all the spectrum they just bought for LTE is not being freed up.
What will happen is once the merger finalizes ATT will begin to slowly transfer the TMO customers to their own network as contracts naturally end. It will be a slow process over a 2-5 year period as ATT increases their capacity capabilities. ATT CANNOT TAKE ON ALL OF TMO'S CUSTOMERS RIGHT AWAY!!!! I cannot stress that enough, they DO NOT have the capacity to take on an additional 35 million subscribers.
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Hopefully the corporate anti-trust greed merger fails, so that we tmob's can live happily ever after!
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Would be a nice thought but the truth is, this merger has been devastating to T-Mobile. They are loosing customers fast because of it. I know they will get a bunch of money if it fails but I don't know if it will be enough to save them. Maybe, fingers crossed, if the merger fails someone else like Google will purchase TMO USA.
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I agree. I have also heard ATT has donate 500k to politicians making it all the likelihood the merger will go through.
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500k? I think you might be missing a zero or two. 500k isn't **** to a company like at&t.
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ATT CANNOT TAKE ON ALL OF TMO'S CUSTOMERS RIGHT AWAY!!!! I cannot stress that enough, they DO NOT have the capacity to take on an additional 35 million subscribers.
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I doubt they have the network right now to take on a fifth of that. AT&T's network is just **** because they didn't handle it right. I do not want to go to a company who's network & infrastructure is ****.
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500k? I think you might be missing a zero or two. 500k isn't **** to a company like at&t.
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Im sure we will begin to see most of TMO's new offerings support ATT bands as well. Most of us phone fanatics do not last more than 6 months/year with the same phone so for us this will be a non issue. My biggest concern are the rates and my ability to stay on my no contract plan
I'm just afraid that after 6 months or so, they'll force customers to drop their grandfathered plans and accept their crappy data rates and such if they ever desire to upgrade their handset.
I left ATT over three years ago because their "new" phone selection sucked and their planes are unecessarily over prices for what they offer you.
I had reasonable network speeds but I see more stability and burst speeds in the city here with T-Mobile than I did with ATT. The network is no where near as large but for my prime usage area's I'm better off now.
Both companies I felt were about the same in the customer service department.
If ATT offers pricing and plans like T-Mobile does now I won't be so against the merger.
I really feel bad for those of the t-mobile family...as a sprint customer, I welcome you to the family of true unlimited and you can get the evo 3D. Just a sensation with a few different designs and 3D capability and a larger battery...
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There won't be a tmo USA if it fails.
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This is directly from TMoNews but I'm curious to see how the results will compare with theirs. I figure that TMoNews just might be... a little biased. You think?
So I wanted to post a poll on here where there are a variety of people that would share their opinions. Some of you are with AT&T... some might be with T-Mobile... others... well... why do you even care anyway?
Right... so on with it.
So unless you’ve been sleeping for the past month you likely know AT&T is purchasing T-Mobile. Understandably so, there is a population of readers up in arms and want T-Mobile to stay T-Mobile and those who see the benefits of an AT&T deal. Here is your chance to sound off, T-Mobile reads this blog every day so they’ll see your vote. Will it affect anything, probably not. However, it is a chance to make your voice known as to how you feel regarding this shocking news. Vote away! (quoted from TMoNews)
WARNING!
By the way, keep this ON TOPIC! If it strays from topic I will close it without hesitation. This will not be used to raise your post count, this will not be used for flaming, this will not be a troll fest. If I see ANY of this, the posts will be removed, the member(s) will receive an infraction and the thread will be closed!
I'm not sure what to make of it, even if it does succeed. I prefer T-Mobile to AT&T for better data speeds and cell service where I am. But AT&T has decent cell service, too. Their data speeds aren't as good as T-Mobile's. Regardless of whatever happens with the acquisition, T-Mobile would be wise to market quad band 3G data phones because just the idea of AT&T buying them will severely hamper any sales of phones. If people know their brand new T-Mobile smartphones will continue to work with AT&T, then they will continue to buy. But if T-Mobile doesn't take steps to ensure the continued operation of their phones with AT&T, even if the acquisition fails, then sales will plummet.
MartyLK said:
...T-Mobile would be wise to market quad band 3G data phones because just the idea of AT&T buying them will severely hamper any sales of phones. If people know their brand new T-Mobile smartphones will continue to work with AT&T, then they will continue to buy. But if T-Mobile doesn't take steps to ensure the continued operation of their phones with AT&T, even if the acquisition fails, then sales will plummet.
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I agree. Some T-Mobile devices already support AT&T 3G. To my understanding the Vibrant does already. Although I haven't tried it for myself. They are also releasing several new phones in the near future that got me all excited such as the HTC Sensation. I love pretty much everything about that phone and I can't wait until it's release this summer! BUT! If I can't use it on AT&T's 3G network... then what would be the point of buying it? Unless AT&T adopts T-Mobiles 3G spectrum which is also a possiblity. But honestly, I am having second thoughts now about upgrading to a new phone because what if this merger DOES go through and worse case scenerio DOES happen? I'm on a T-Mobile Loyalty plan that I love! After this deal goes through (assuming of course, it does) I don't think that AT&T will want to keep me on this 'special' plan.
Just comparing what I have now with AT&T:
Tmobile:
Plan: Unlimited Loyalty $49.99
Includes - Unlimited Whenever Minutes, Unlimited Weekend Minutes, Unlimited Weeknight Minutes, WorldClass International Service
Services:
CallerTunes $1.49
Data and Text: T-Mobile Android Unlimited Web + Unlimited Messages $34.99
TOTAL: $86.47
If I was to try to get something similiar with AT&T
AT&T
Plan: Nation Unlimited $69.99
Services:
DataPro 4GB for HSPA+ Smartphone Tethering $45.00
Messaging Unlimited $20
TOTAL: $134.99
Difference of 1gb less data each month and costing me $48.52 MORE every month.
I don't think so.
More 2/3G towers for TMO users to access and new HSPA+ towers for ATT..
Yeah good deal for signal.
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What will happen to T-mobile contracts to those who still have T-mobile when and if AT&T buys it? will we start to pay more? or will we keep the same prices? what's going on :c
caoticpsycho said:
What will happen to T-mobile contracts to those who still have T-mobile when and if AT&T buys it? will we start to pay more? or will we keep the same prices? what's going on :c
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T-Mobile keeps saying that nothing will change.
AT&T says that nothing will change.
But we all know that AT&T is not going to be offering T-Moble rate plans to new customers so they will probably be grandfathered. Which means once you change your T-Mobile rate plan to an AT&T plan... you can't go back. Also when you change your phone by upgrading it is possible that you may have to change your rate plan and services.
So worse case scenario here, you go with the merger, become an AT&T customer and two or three years down the row you want to get the newest and latest phone. By that time AT&T will more than likely NOT be able to allow you to keep your current plan.
But... all of that is just my own personal assumption and again... worse case scenario.
AT&T haven't acquired TMobile. Only T-Mobile USA as I understand it. Either way, my feelings are nothing. I nothing it as I'm English and really don't care nor understand the politics of choosing a phone provider in America!
MarkusPO said:
AT&T haven't acquired TMobile. Only T-Mobile USA as I understand it. Either way, my feelings are nothing. I nothing it as I'm English and really don't care nor understand the politics of choosing a phone provider in America!
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Then why respond to the thread?
My opinion is that it will only benefit AT&T customers (maybe)
T-mobile customers will be screwed. We will be grandfathered in until we want an upgrade and be forced to switch. It will also create a GSM monopoly which will benefit no one (customers, I don't care about shareholders or CEO bonuses) I truly hope they block this merger.
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If i dont see some good deals then im going right to verizon
Binary100100 said:
T-Mobile keeps saying that nothing will change.
AT&T says that nothing will change.
But we all know that AT&T is not going to be offering T-Moble rate plans to new customers so they will probably be grandfathered. Which means once you change your T-Mobile rate plan to an AT&T plan... you can't go back. Also when you change your phone by upgrading it is possible that you may have to change your rate plan and services.
So worse case scenario here, you go with the merger, become an AT&T customer and two or three years down the row you want to get the newest and latest phone. By that time AT&T will more than likely NOT be able to allow you to keep your current plan.
But... all of that is just my own personal assumption and again... worse case scenario.
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As one of the oldest people in this forum, this will not be good for the consumer. I do mergers and acquisitions, and this one will not be a price reduction to us. Bottom line this will not benefit us the consumer. It will help ATT... but for us....... we will come up short and most likely have to look at going to Verizon or Sprint I hope it does not go through.
It is a terrible concept. At&t claims it will save consumers money, but as soon as new phones come out, and T-mobile customers want to upgrade to them, they will have to move to AT&T's expensive plans. I think the reasonably priced underdogs should have teamed up (Sprint and T-mobile) And I mean teamed up not bought out. Then they would be able to afford their cheap plans, they would be given the newest phones, and would make it to number one. Instead At&t will suck everyone dry until Sprint is out of business, and At&t customers realize how much they are getting ripped off. Then it will just be Verizon on top.
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There's a reason Ma Bell was split up in 1984 due to an antitrust suit. Slowly they're sucking up the competition again. I don't think that having a GSM monopoly here in America is a good choice at all. It's bad for consumers because it's taking away our choices. I prefer GSM at this point to CDMA because I like the flexibility of a sim card and the fact that as far as 3G is concerned, the speeds are faster. (I'm not factoring in anything that has to do with LTE sim cards as it's still too new) I don't want to switch to Sprint or Verizon, I get too good of a deal on T-Mobile. I've had AT&T in the past and I lived in an area with a TON of dropped calls. It was horrid, and I hated their customer service. I do NOT want to be a part of AT&T again. I really hope this does not get approved. At least then T-Mobile gets 3 billion dollars from AT&T, some spectrum, and roaming agreements.
Censura_Umbra said:
...It is a terrible concept. At&t claims it will save consumers money, but as soon as new phones come out, and T-mobile customers want to upgrade to them, they will have to move to AT&T's expensive plans...
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Which is EXACTLY what I was referring to in post #7. And I don't look forward to paying $50 or more every month. Yes... it would be ~$50 according to my comparison:
Just comparing what I have now with AT&T:
Tmobile:
Plan: Unlimited Loyalty $49.99
Includes - Unlimited Whenever Minutes, Unlimited Weekend Minutes, Unlimited Weeknight Minutes, WorldClass International Service
Services:
CallerTunes $1.49
Data and Text: T-Mobile Android Unlimited Web + Unlimited Messages $34.99
TOTAL: $86.47
If I was to try to get something similiar with AT&T
AT&T
Plan: Nation Unlimited $69.99
Services:
DataPro 4GB for HSPA+ Smartphone Tethering $45.00
Messaging Unlimited $20
TOTAL: $134.99
Difference of 1gb less data each month and costing me $48.52 MORE every month.
So has anybody heard of any recent updates to this?
well ... i "vomited" online, all over, my rants ( opinions) on this matter, so, all i have to say is :THIS IS CRAP WRAPPED WITH A PRETTY AND SHINY BOW ... BUT AFTER U GET RID OF THE BOW, THE CRAP STILL SMELLS LIKE ...S /-/ iT ...
HERE IS MY REPLY / VIEW ON THIS from another post. We need to show our resent to FCC and DoD to stop this deal. Is there any cases/notices/appeals/votes going on ?? I am no lawer but i seriously believe that we can win the case by just presenting some of the FACTS from these posts.
Every company has flaws. For ATT it happens to be their network. As another member said pick your poison. I will agree with you that verizon is even more expensive than ATT but i wont agree that TMO-ATT merger can be good. I wont compare services as they are location dependent. But just for the competition sake. For e.g. :
1. TMO offers completely different plans than ATT. (and one of the cheapest data plans for $10). Also international users still have a choice of unlimited data plans. Its just what suits you.
2. TMO has more choices of top smartphones. Some of the current and future dual core phones for TMobile are - LG G2X, HTC sensation, Galaxy S2 while Atrix is the only dual core yet announced (Both are supposed to get LG 3Ds). TMO even beats ATT selection in single cores. Almost a year old Iphone 4 and Captivate are next best phones on ATT. While TMO has/had plenty of HTC, Samsung and motorola phones to choose from.
Just answer if GPS on captivate didnt work what choice were ATT customers given - none till this feb, meanwhile all the other companies released tons of android devices to suit everybodys needs. I know ATT supposed to release 15-20 android phones this year but when ? we are done with 1/3 year and all we know is LG thrill 3D and Infuse without any dates. I am sure even then TMO will have more choices to select from.
Its very important for US customers to have GSM competition as all new phone technology in world is first released in GSM. CDMA versions (IPhone, Bionic) are always months late.
3. Again right now TMOs 4G is ON while ATTs not. Atleast some GSM customers have a choice to select a working service.
4. As for what you said "Better coverage, lower prices? ", I seriously doubt less GSM competition will result in lower prices. Plus GSM coverage will still be the same. Its just that ATT will have it all and customers wont have any choice.
To conclude, If TMo-ATT deals is allowed to happen, competition (all the above stated FACTS) will severly degrade with only one GSM player.
I tried to be as neutral as i could & Just presented it from shoppers point of view. I know ATT has many positives over TMo as well. All the more reason the deal shouln't happen. Just to have a choice and maintain competition of devices and services. ATT should improve their network like everybody else by investing in it rather than buying off competition.
P.S: I hate long replies
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The reason HSUPA isn't enable is because android is very finicky with HSUPA. With the captivate, for example, you could change a modem file and get HSUPA, but it would normally knock out Bluetooth, or call quality. They're working to fix this, it's already in testing, so you should have your fix very soon. Also, what's your beef with the T-mo buyout? Better coverage, lower prices? Seems to be a win win for me. Either way, you can't really stop it, so just go to Verizon, get your Thunderbolt which is 1/2 as powerful with 1/4 the battery and twice the bill. Enjoy your 12mb/s (in only about 40 cities) while I'll enjoy my plenty fast 5-8mb/s when the back-haul to the towers is all complete (which in my area is the end of this month). Oh no, it actually takes time for a company to push out a nation wide roll out! Amazing that they can't just nod their head and it be done.
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What's going to happen is just like what happened when alltel got baught out by verizon. Here's the scoop when your grandfathered in with tmobile and the switch happens, you can still keep your plan when you upgrade. You can still have the tmo plan but att is billing you. So it won't hurt people I don't think. Just better signal all around. Besides when the buy out is complete there will still be tmobile stands in some markets, if it goes accordingly as it did with alltel and verizon. Good or bad? I say good! Now America will have a good gsm network. Very much comparable to verizon.
they dont even have their own network together to be trying to buy someone else out!!!!
Someone needs to buy AT&T out! Even though it will never happen!
Do you guys think AT&T and Tmobile Merger will get approved by the Senate?
F***!!!!!! ATT
I will be moving to Sprint if this does go through... I left ATT for a reason...
I will be gone the day my grandfathered plan expires. I refuse to pay $100 more a month for less services. Why would any sane person do that?
I guess it will be back to sprint....
If it goes through im going back to sprint or boost, I refuse to pay att for any media services
Didn't ATT announce that existing T-Mobile customers will be able to keep their existing plans for as long as they want and still benefit from ATT's network and phone selection?
Pretty sure I read that this is a big point they will be making in front of the Senate.
Unless you want to upgrade your phone ever.
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Yeah what he said... if the merger means there will still be 2 companies, I'm down. But when has that ever happened. I been with tmo before they were tmo
... remember voicestream ? Once att gobles up tmo say buh by to decent customer service and decent rates... if I can't keep my plan indefinitely ... ill be heading to Verizon. **** sprint.
"If Satan lived in heaven he'd be me.... "
Senate has nothing to say - FTC and Justice department. And even if they disapprove, Courts could can overturn ruling - they have done so with other anti-competitive mergers.
Hate ATT customer service!!! Do not want the merger to take place any time soon or ever! 100% against it!!!!
I will leave if it gets approved.
I liked AT&T. I left AT&T because even with full bars at my house, you can't make a call. Even if you can, the call would be dropped before you can finish it.
My GF has AT&T and her phone does the same thing. My neighbors have AT&T and they do they same thing. Even friends on AT&T that visit my house say the same thing.
The sad part is that it isn't just at my house, it's everywhere. Tmobile may not have great service everywhere, but it works where it should and I hardly get disconnected.
I don't mind AT&T because I travel across the US and I found that AT&T pretty much covers me better then Tmobile and they have pretty decent 3G coverage even between cities where Tmobile is GPRS only (not even EDGE).
My feelings toward the merger can go 2 ways:
First, I would not mind AT&T so much IF/WHEN they merge, they allow AT&T customers to use the great Tmobile signal found at my house... or keep the companies separate but allow access to all the GSM signals. Basically the best of both worlds. Like having access to both Tmobile and AT&T networks.
Second, they bring over the Even More Plus plans where you can have your own device and have a lower monthly bill, which makes sense. A part of the monthly bill pays for the big discounts you get off the phones you buy them on contract. If you don't buy their equipment, why would anyone be forced to pay for a discount they never got? I really like the EMP plans and I think they are awesome.
Lastly, they don't rape my bill. $30 a month for internet is INSANE!!!! Plus don't advertise $79 a month plans* (*requires a $30 data plan). WTF is that? It a plan REQUIRES something, then it should all be included in the price. The math should be $109 a month, which is too damn expensive.
I'm actually really happy with $59 1000 minutes unlimited everything else (less a 5gb cap).
That is reasonable and a good deal.
Will switch to VZW if merger happened.
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Do you guys think AT&T and Tmobile Merger will get approved by the Senate?
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The Senate doesn't approve or disapprove the sale. The FCC and the DOJ have the power in this. One of the closing off the cuff comments from one of the Senators was that he figured the sale would be approved with stipulations as has been speculated all along. We are not many years from a two carrier system...Sprint will never survive against the two behemoths.
I just read a cent article saying its gonna take up to 12 months to evaluate the deal and most of the senate is against it so I doubt it will be approved. If it gets approved that means that there will only be one GSM carrier in the US and consumers will not have a choice but to go with ATT if they want GSM so I dont see how the FCC will approve that.
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Didn't ATT announce that existing T-Mobile customers will be able to keep their existing plans for as long as they want and still benefit from ATT's network and phone selection?
Pretty sure I read that this is a big point they will be making in front of the Senate.
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They are playing nice right now because they are trying to get the deal approved. Do you think that the deal would get approved if ATT was out right saying they were going raise the rates on 50 million ppl? Probably not.
In turn if you own a company and you had 50 million ppl you could raise the rates up 20+ dollars why wouldn't you? Its all about the $$$$$$$$
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I just read a cent article saying its gonna take up to 12 months to evaluate the deal and most of the senate is against it so I doubt it will be approved. If it gets approved that means that there will only be one GSM carrier in the US and consumers will not have a choice but to go with ATT if they want GSM so I dont see how the FCC will approve that.
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Again, the Senate doesn't matter in the big scheme of things. And the same folks that will decide this sale approved the XM-Sirius merger which resulted in ONE satelite radio provider.
The vast majority of folks could care less if they have GSM or CDMA or TDMA or ABCD or whatever...they want good signal with cheap prices.
I hate to see it and say it, and it will probably take a while, but its going to get approved. AT&T will probably have to make some concessions, but in the end it will go through.
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Again, the Senate doesn't matter in the big scheme of things. And the same folks that will decide this sale approved the XM-Sirius merger which resulted in ONE satelite radio provider.
The vast majority of folks could care less if they have GSM or CDMA or TDMA or ABCD or whatever...they want good signal with cheap prices.
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Im sorry but I disagree with you. Those who travel internationally and use different sim cards in different countries want a global phone and want to choose a gsm network. There are many people like that and it is only fair that they have a choice between at least 2 carriers
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I will be gone the day my grandfathered plan expires. I refuse to pay $100 more a month for less services. Why would any sane person do that?
I guess it will be back to sprint....
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Just saw a commercial for AT&T where they are literally saying they will have more cell sights once they merge with T-Mobile. I thought this was still in the approval stage??? So was this finally approved? If so, this is really gonna suck!
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It's not confirmed but basically...
It's not confirmed but basically... it's looking like the merger is going to go through... they just jumped the gun, but for good reason the only real opposition they face is Sprint but one company probably won't be enough to mess up the merger, and it may not suck. If they want to keep customers, they have to maintain the quality that people are used to from both companies when they merge them. At first it's gonna be a mess but I think in the long run it's a good thing.
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It's not confirmed but basically... it's looking like the merger is going to go through... they just jumped the gun, but for good reason the only real opposition they face is Sprint but one company probably won't be enough to mess up the merger, and it may not suck. If they want to keep customers, they have to maintain the quality that people are used to from both companies when they merge them. At first it's gonna be a mess but I think in the long run it's a good thing.
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History doesn't support one company owning 80% of a market being a good thing for consumers.
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History doesn't support one company owning 80% of a market being a good thing for consumers.
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Basically, we are about to be stuck between a biopolly as our choice. Sprint is too small to be on the same field as Verizon and at&t-mobile.
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History doesn't support one company owning 80% of a market being a good thing for consumers.
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It's not confirmed but basically... it's looking like the merger is going to go through... they just jumped the gun, but for good reason the only real opposition they face is Sprint but one company probably won't be enough to mess up the merger, and it may not suck. If they want to keep customers, they have to maintain the quality that people are used to from both companies when they merge them. At first it's gonna be a mess but I think in the long run it's a good thing.
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Also it's not about one company standing in the way. It's about the federal government, the FCC approving the deal. It's about everyday people playing their parts and writing to their congressman and to their senators as I have to tell them that we don't need or want this merger.
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I say suck because I remember when I went through the Cingular to AT&T merger and I was treated like dirt. T-Mobile is one if the last companies I actually don't mind paying every month because of the stellar customer service they provide, and the amazing plan I have. That super limited data plan new iPhone customers get with AT&T is a joke. I am praying for the best, but expecting the worse. Strap in, here we go folks!!
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I really hope that if this does happen we dont have the same awful data plans as the iphone 4. Thats one of the main reasons i didnt go with att.
Face the facts t-mobile is bought and it is what it is don't give me that there not junk call t-mobile if u don't believe it. I called corporate they say bought and will be finalized by the end of the year, they will honor or contracts til there up.
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I have been a t-mo customer and I love the service. When this happens it's going to HUGE change for the current t-mo customers. We as current t-mo customers are not going to be happy.
You have to realize, AT&T didn't force T-Mobile in to this deal. Deutsche Telekom sold T-Mobile U.S. because they didn't have the cash to make it competitive and it was under performing financially. And the deal is officially done. It can become undone if it doesn't get U.S. approval but until and unless that happens both companies are preceding toward closing the deal. I'll bet you too that when T-Mobile discloses their Q2 numbers they're going to be bloody. Q1 was awful and that was with no impact from the merger announcement. Q2's results will help justify the need for the merger and most likely accelerate its approval.
http://www.slashgear.com/t-mobile-u...-as-nearly-1m-subscribers-jump-ship-06150649/
SIGH. I'm contract FREE with tmobile right now. Now undecided whether to run in and get a contract, so I at least have two years locked pricing, or whether I'm going to stand by my previous conviction that I'd never give AT&T any of my hard earned money. At least if I grab a tmobile contract, I can feel like I'm screwing AT&T by paying less for a while. Then I can jump ship once my contract is over.
TMOUS would probably just sell to someone else if the ATT merger was denied or go out of business.
I don't understand why people are so against the merger really. I am happy with TMOUS but understand if they are not profitable enough to survive.
If there is a budget market out there I'm sure some other company will fill in the spot that TMOUS leaves open. If not then it was pretty obvious they they did the right thing.
Its no different that Cable TV companies. Survival of the fittest.
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Your right but the government wouldn't allow that... from what I'm seeing the merger is going to go through, and the infrastructure of t-mobile will split up in some way. The end game for ATT is to acquire all or at the least most of t-mobile cell towers.
The fact is they can make it happen without monopolizing the industry because at the end of the day only certain states are at risk of monopolization.
ATT is not stupidly investing billions of dollars into attempting this merger when they know full well that their major problem preventing them from being okay'd is the fear of monopolization.
When I say Sprint is their major opposition I am stating that they are the ones highlighting the other downfalls besides monopolization
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SIGH. I'm contract FREE with tmobile right now. Now undecided whether to run in and get a contract, so I at least have two years locked pricing, or whether I'm going to stand by my previous conviction that I'd never give AT&T any of my hard earned money. At least if I grab a tmobile contract, I can feel like I'm screwing AT&T by paying less for a while. Then I can jump ship once my contract is over.
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Yea that's probably a good idea. especially if you know for a fact that you can handle the current prices, because when things go through it may get worse or better, I'm highly doubting it will get better though. I would wait at least a year to lock anything in, it's gonna take at least 1 year to 1 and 1/2 before ATT can mess up tmobile rates on plans.
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They also have a lot to gain if the AT&T merger doesn't get approved. They'd be able to buy T-Mobile for a lot less than $39B and they would. Their motive for scuttling the merger isn't because they're concerned about the little people. Once a company's "in play," which T-Mobile is, things can never go back to the way they were. Try to imagine a Sprint/T-Mobile merger with CDMA, Wi-MAX, and GSM. Not pretty.
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SIGH. I'm contract FREE with tmobile right now. Now undecided whether to run in and get a contract, so I at least have two years locked pricing, or whether I'm going to stand by my previous conviction that I'd never give AT&T any of my hard earned money. At least if I grab a tmobile contract, I can feel like I'm screwing AT&T by paying less for a while. Then I can jump ship once my contract is over.
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I did get a new contract with the Sensations and am undecided if I'll stay. It will be difficult paying AT&T anything, even on a lower rate plan. I still have the unlimited data at $25.
It will be interesting to see how AT&T responds to us with contracts.
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They also have a lot to gain if the AT&T merger doesn't get approved. They'd be able to buy T-Mobile for a lot less than $39B and they would. Their motive for scuttling the merger isn't because they're concerned about the little people. Once a company's "in play," which T-Mobile is, things can never go back to the way they were. Try to imagine a Sprint/T-Mobile merger with CDMA, Wi-MAX, and GSM. Not pretty.
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Yea exactly but that's almost always the case with business... But for them to be successful even with their selfish motives they have to bring legit reasons to the table why it shouldn't go through
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I did get a new contract with the Sensations and am undecided if I'll stay. It will be difficult paying AT&T anything, even on a lower rate plan. I still have the unlimited data at $25.
It will be interesting to see how AT&T responds to us with contracts.
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Anyone requiring a GSM phone can't expect to be treated well if/when this merger happens. I'm in that boat, it's sinking and the sharks are circling...
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I did get a new contract with the Sensations and am undecided if I'll stay. It will be difficult paying AT&T anything, even on a lower rate plan. I still have the unlimited data at $25.
It will be interesting to see how AT&T responds to us with contracts.
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If you got it now then most likely your contract will be up right around the time that Att gets full control over t-mobile... So it shouldn't be too painful for you... But you also have to ask yourself what's the better option... Verizon is probably the only choice but their rates are higher... They do have better quality connection on average though... It's a tuff decision man
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the merging will go through no doubt about it but it's not confirmed publicly yet till next year.got this info from t-mobile corporate master dealers.lots of changes took place in t-mobile since afet the merging possibility news and still changing as we speak.
Very interesting read. Att don't need tmobile and it will reduce competition which sucks for us.. Lets pray it don't happen.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Leaked-ATT-Letter-Demolishes-Case-For-TMobile-Merger-115652
I want to keep my g2x for a while now, things a beast. I hope this merge falls through.
Good read, I hope this dents any forward movements of the acquisition. I would like to stay with tmobile, they've been the most fair from any other companies. And although times are changing and data needs to be tiered they still have some of the best plans for it available. I live in Chicago, so coverage isn't a problem for me, even when I went to school an hour away in the cornfields, I saw the coverage expand to out there with 3g, which lets me know they do improve their network, at least by me.
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I already left T-Mobile for Sprint, if the acquisition fails, I may go back to them. I love their service and coverage but I do not want AT&T ever again!
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Me too. god I hoper it don't go through. If it does verizon and lte here I come.
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Black-Dash said:
I already left T-Mobile for Sprint, if the acquisition fails, I may go back to them. I love their service and coverage but I do not want AT&T ever again!
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Unfortunately, people leaving T-Mobile for other carriers further justifies the acquisition in the eyes of the committees, being as T-Mobile 'needs' AT&T to 'rescue' them from their lack of profit due to losing customers. Of course, most of the gaping wound the customers are leaving through was created by AT&T's lovely commercials designed to convince the populace the deal is already signed and done, when the truth is quite the opposite.
Sadly, the more people leave and the fewer new customers T-Mobile gets every day is moving the deal closer and closer to becoming a reality :/
O, and as a side note, I'm sick of people calling this deal a merger. This is not a merger. The nicest word you can give this is 'acquisition'. It is closer to a buy and butcher program. A merger implies something will remain of T-Mobile on every level, especially upper management. DT is simply trying to offload T-Mobile onto the highest bidder, which just happened to be the reanimated corpse of Ma Bell. If any of AT&T's other acquisitions are anything to go by, especially considering how little of T-Mobile's current network AT&T actually needs, this is a situation of a company purely buying another to remove competition. AT&T will be closing a huge number of redundant stores and dismantling even more cell towers across the company they don't actually need. They will sell off the property and lay off at least 40-60% of the also redundant employees (including me) they don't need due to most of their facilities being practically next door to ours.
The USA will no longer have a choice of GSM carriers, which will remove all hope of having phones that can use the same frequencies and switching SIM cards when you please to leave an abusive carrier. AT&T's only real competition will be Verizon, which they have been closely following each others prices for years now. If you think you're paying a lot for a cell plan now, wait until AT&T is back in charge of pricing with no T-Mobile to cut under the price wall. T-Mobile has been losing profits because they've been trying to drag AT&T's prices down AND build massive improvements out to their network, while AT&T sits on a ridiculous amount of cash to fight the price battle with and hasn't been building their network out by choice. Not only that, but AT&T controls a HUGE chunk of the pipes in the USA that carriers have to lease from them in order to have backhaul to the tower. AT&T has been jacking the prices up on the backhaul but refusing to upgrade their equipment to allow other carriers to get better bandwidth to the site. There are no problems like that leasing backhaul from companies that don't compete directly with T-Mobile, AT&T just does it because they can and they have the biggest stick (huge sums of capital, political and corporate lackeys, etc) to beat competitors around with.
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I've had every carrier (including Cricket and Boost) except for Verizon, and T-Mobile has been the best provider in terms of coverage and customer service I've had. I hope this aqusition doesn't go through. I can't see myself paying for tiered data plans and I'd hate to have to go back to sprint for unlimited plans seeing as the photon is their new flagship device.
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CESAROX said:
I've had every carrier (including Cricket and Boost) except for Verizon, and T-Mobile has been the best provider in terms of coverage and customer service I've had. I hope this aqusition doesn't go through. I can't see myself paying for tiered data plans and I'd hate to have to go back to sprint for unlimited plans seeing as the photon is their new flagship device.
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Not only that but it would cost to break contact, for me id have to pay sprint a deposit etc..
So leaving isn't a option for me..
Only.1gsm carrier and no choices is just stupid. I really hope this **** don't go through cause I hate att...
Just heard on CNN - the deal is dead. They nade the announcement and then said deals latter.
Opps - ? rather then & in title...
Yes, the deal between ATT and T-Mobile is totally dead, killed by the U.S. Justice Department's anti-trust lawsuit. T-Mobile, which is owned by Deutsche Telekom, gets $3 Billion plus some spectrum from ATT as compensation for the deal not going through. Deutsche Telekom wants to sell T-Mobile and isn't investing any more money in it and won't upgrade the network's high speed capabilities which will cause it to lose customers as they switch to other networks to get higher speed data services. T-Mobile will also not be getting the iPhone which will also deprive it of new customers and cause it to lose customers. In spite of the positive spin Pilipp Humm, the CEO of T-Mobile, has promoted "We have an opportunity to write our own future" T-Mobile is in serious trouble.
The next suitor will be Sprint - not sure if that is better or worse for TMO customers.
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The next suitor will be Sprint - not sure if that is better or worse for TMO customers.
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May not be that way.
"Now that the merger has failed, it’s unlikely T-Mobile could court Verizon or Sprint as potential suitors because they use completely different cellphone technologies to service their phones, Mr. Kuittinen said.
He said that T-Mobile must now explore more creative opportunities — for instance, seeking partnerships with media giants like Amazon, Facebook or Google. T-Mobile’s spectrum, not its customer base, is its most valuable asset."
From http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/19/att-t-mobile/?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha26
Does T-Mo have poor service/reception in a lot of areas? It's fine where I live and the price is great, I hope it sticks around for a while. Verizon charges SO much for their plans
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Does T-Mo have poor service/reception in a lot of areas? It's fine where I live and the price is great, I hope it sticks around for a while. Verizon charges SO much for their plans
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I have great signal too, or I did before I got the G2X lol... but seriously - I think T-Mobile's "bad reception" compared to other carriers is a complete myth perpetuated by those who feel the need to defend their decision to spend more, and by those who believe that just because they pay twice as much for their cell service that it guarantees them better service. In the "real world" I've seen as many times that I had signal and verizon/at&t customers did not as I have the other way around.
Now TMobile has $4 billion to play with
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Now TMobile has $4 billion to play with
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http://www.tmonews.com/2011/12/with-att-out-of-the-picture-where-does-t-mobile-go-now/
Only if. It's all going to their parent company, Deutsche Telekom, and they're under no obligation to give a cent of it to T-Mobile US.
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Does T-Mo have poor service/reception in a lot of areas? It's fine where I live and the price is great, I hope it sticks around for a while. Verizon charges SO much for their plans
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I drive a lot between Houston, Baton Rouge and New Orleans and I can go for a long while where I am on "Edge".
Hoping google will buy tmobile but not holding my breath.
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T-Mobile signal is ****ty I am sorry. It depends on location. I lived in Milwaukee WS and its best signal hands down. I moved back to NJ and its same ****ty signal I endured for 10 years.
I have to rely on wifi and if not for that, I have no signal.
T-Mobile signal is ****ty. Again, depends on location. My time in Milwaukee, I was shocked how awesome signal is there.
Again depends on location.
Its where I live, dead zone. Sucks!!!
Yah well instead if this Att should of lobbied to have congress mandate sharing of cell phone towers no matter the carrier who built it. So this way ATT can stop complaining like a girl.
That's what other countries do and their prices dropped and network coverage grew.
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Yah well instead if this Att should of lobbied to have congress mandate sharing of cell phone towers no matter the carrier who built it. So this way ATT can stop complaining like a girl.
That's what other countries do and their prices dropped and network coverage grew.
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but...but...that would create a fair and competitive market that served the customer! Are you mad?!
Seriously though, the carriers in the US (aside from T-Mobile, who have actually lobbied to get something like this to happen), would HATE this. It would require they actually step up to serve their customer rather than just their shareholders.
The fact is that most companies are blind to what ACTUALLY serves their shareholders. By stepping up to serve their customers, they also step up to serve their shareholders. The fact is that consumers would FLOCK to a Google based cell provider. Google follows a simple model. Take care of their consumers by offering a "low cost" offering then exploiting that for moderate ad shares, and also (most importantly) trying to build upon that offering by moving consumers to their other offerings by true "integration", thereby "owning the house" generating quadruple the original marketshare generating BILLIONS in additional revenue, ie share holder profits. If someone beats Google to the punch on this model in the mobile communications market, they stand to make a MASSIVE profit. Companies simply over complicate economics/marketing.
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but...but...that would create a fair and competitive market that served the customer! Are you mad?!
Seriously though, the carriers in the US (aside from T-Mobile, who have actually lobbied to get something like this to happen), would HATE this. It would require they actually step up to serve their customer rather than just their shareholders.
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The fact is that most companies are blind to what ACTUALLY serves their shareholders. By stepping up to serve their customers, they also step up to serve their shareholders. The fact is that consumers would FLOCK to a Google based cell provider. Google follows a simple model. Take care of their consumers by offering a "low cost" offering then exploiting that for moderate ad shares, and also (most importantly) trying to build upon that offering by moving consumers to their other offerings by true "integration", thereby "owning the house" generating quadruple the original marketshare generating BILLIONS in additional revenue, ie share holder profits. If someone beats Google to the punch on this model in the mobile communications market, they stand to make a MASSIVE profit. Companies simply over complicate economics/marketing.
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We are pretty much in agreement, my post was more than a bit tongue-in-cheek. I'm a big fan of moving to the way most of Europe does their cell phones:
1. Usually the government owns the towers and the cell providers lease those towers in order to provide the actual services to the customer. This helps to remove the problem of technology and coverage divisions that cell companies have in the US and is one of the main reasons switching carriers is far easier there.
2. No annual contracts. US customers are spoiled on the false idea that their smartphones are 'free' or <$200 when in actuality they are paying out of the nose for vastly over-inflated contracted plans that are anywhere from double to triple that of any cell service in Europe in order to subsidize their phones. This isn't helped by the fact that it seems the public can't get over the idea that paying $400-600 for the full price of the phone would amount to them saving thousands of dollars over a couple of years, even if they bought another phone during that time. Another factor that makes switching carriers easier and helps promote competition on a service level. Also, not subsidizing phones means that carriers lose less money buying up phone stock they never sell (and have to make up by making the contracts more expensive and charging for stupid things like tethering!).
3. Well I guess I kind of ate up all of my points in the first two by elaborating a bit too much.
Um I seen somewhere that dish is looking into it.
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2. No annual contracts. US customers are spoiled on the false idea that their smartphones are 'free' or <$200 when in actuality they are paying out of the nose for vastly over-inflated contracted plans that are anywhere from double to triple that of any cell service in Europe in order to subsidize their phones. This isn't helped by the fact that it seems the public can't get over the idea that paying $400-600 for the full price of the phone would amount to them saving thousands of dollars over a couple of years, even if they bought another phone during that time.
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+1, Tmobiles value plan is at least $25/month cheaper than the regular one, which amounts to $600 over the 2 year contract. I know I've never gotten a $600 phone for free.
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+1, Tmobiles value plan is at least $25/month cheaper than the regular one, which amounts to $600 over the 2 year contract. I know I've never gotten a $600 phone for free.
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Unfortunately most people can't do basic math and still opt for the $250 phone and Classic (non-value) plan. In effect paying hundreds of dollars more over the life of the contract. Back when the Even More Plus first rolled out I still worked at tmo tech support and you'd be surprised how many people were absolutely livid that they couldn't get a discounted phone after being a customer for X years, AND have the Even More Plus... they thought they were being ripped off by being asked to pay for the phone.
Honestly, the failure of the American cell phone consumer to be able to do BASIC MATH is one of the reasons T-Mobile is failing. I have friends who honestly believe that Verizon gave them a better price.
Its beyond them doing basic math. Our culture in the US is always about the short term when comes to saving money, never the long term. Interest only mortgages is a PRIME example of that. No pun intended.
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Unfortunately most people can't do basic math and still opt for the $250 phone and Classic (non-value) plan. In effect paying hundreds of dollars more over the life of the contract. Back when the Even More Plus first rolled out I still worked at tmo tech support and you'd be surprised how many people were absolutely livid that they couldn't get a discounted phone after being a customer for X years, AND have the Even More Plus... they thought they were being ripped off by being asked to pay for the phone.
Honestly, the failure of the American cell phone consumer to be able to do BASIC MATH is one of the reasons T-Mobile is failing. I have friends who honestly believe that Verizon gave them a better price.
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