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This game is on Pc has it been ported to HD2 cant find anything on search but looks basic and pretty good.
I'm afraid that there is no winmo port nor any news about it, however it would be one of the coolest games for hd2 ever.
Might be able to get the swf file from the website version of the game running via flash lite on the hd2 (not tried)
That sucks why does the crappy iphone have all the good apps. Would be amazing if the HD2 could port the whole apple appstore
been waiting for this to be released on our HD2 for quite a while now.
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Might be able to get the swf file from the website version of the game running via flash lite on the hd2 (not tried)
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works in skyfire for me lol
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That sucks why does the crappy iphone have all the good apps. Would be amazing if the HD2 could port the whole apple appstore
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Probably because winmo phone owners don't support the microsoft app store enough to entice enough professional developers to put in the effort. They're happy to insult it even though its success/failure is probably related to the life blood of the windows mobile platform and their phone. I don't like Itunes/iphone as it is a horriblly closed platform - but millions buy from its app store so professional developers write for it and the platform (in terms of apps) flourishes. Yes, we've got a great freeware scene on windows mobile - but that doesn't attract professional developers who want to pay their bills with their talent.
I'd be interested to know why some of the best apps on XDA aren't on there - not every winmo/hd2 phone owner is going to go via XDA (unfortunately) but most will load up the app store at one point or another - xda could make a big difference to the perception of the microsoft app store (and hence the windows mobile platform as a whole) by releasing their best apps there too. Snowballs don't roll unless they're pushed.
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Probably because winmo phone owners don't support the microsoft app store enough to entice enough professional developers to put in the effort. They're happy to insult it even though its success/failure is probably related to the life blood of the windows mobile platform and their phone. I don't like Itunes/iphone as it is a horriblly closed platform - but millions buy from its app store so professional developers write for it and the platform (in terms of apps) flourishes. Yes, we've got a great freeware scene on windows mobile - but that doesn't attract professional developers who want to pay their bills with their talent.
I'd be interested to know why some of the best apps on XDA aren't on there - not every winmo/hd2 phone owner is going to go via XDA (unfortunately) but most will load up the app store at one point or another - xda could make a big difference to the perception of the microsoft app store (and hence the windows mobile platform as a whole) by releasing their best apps there too. Snowballs don't roll unless they're pushed.
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Excellent answer!
Spot on!!
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Probably because winmo phone owners don't support the microsoft app store enough to entice enough professional developers to put in the effort. They're happy to insult it even though its success/failure is probably related to the life blood of the windows mobile platform and their phone. I don't like Itunes/iphone as it is a horriblly closed platform - but millions buy from its app store so professional developers write for it and the platform (in terms of apps) flourishes. Yes, we've got a great freeware scene on windows mobile - but that doesn't attract professional developers who want to pay their bills with their talent.
I'd be interested to know why some of the best apps on XDA aren't on there - not every winmo/hd2 phone owner is going to go via XDA (unfortunately) but most will load up the app store at one point or another - xda could make a big difference to the perception of the microsoft app store (and hence the windows mobile platform as a whole) by releasing their best apps there too. Snowballs don't roll unless they're pushed.
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Its rather costly to put apps on Marketplace. And for the people who like to create free apps, it's counterproductive.
let's face it, winmo users have been used to sideloading apps for a decade...it isn't gonna change anytime soon.
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I dare to say You are talking bull* sir... even if it works (I wasn't lucky enough to get through ad video) then I doubt if it's playable.
sigh... zuma 1.50 is so damn great.... imagine having pvz in Your pocket with same top notch quality.
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Its rather costly to put apps on Marketplace. And for the people who like to create free apps, it's counterproductive.
let's face it, winmo users have been used to sideloading apps for a decade...it isn't gonna change anytime soon.
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This will change with WM7. Unfortunately, no backwards compatibility.
IMO, winmo users are completely different with Winphone 7 users
So "it's not gonna change anytime soon" quite right
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Its rather costly to put apps on Marketplace. And for the people who like to create free apps, it's counterproductive.
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It's not costly at all to put apps on marketplace. You can get five apps put on marketplace for just $99. My first app made that $99 back on the 1st night it went on sale (and that's just a UK only one) with four app submissions still to go included in the price. Even apps at the most minimal cost will recoup that 99. Why is their such a negative feeling to (our own) the microsoft app store. Especially from us! It's better T&C's than the apple one - and that one we're completely jealous of! We're our own enemy.
XDA could get behind our app store, support it, and be a massive contributor to it!, but mainly just stop insulting it or criticising it, or only ever mentioning the freeware app stores - we're the only ones who'll end up suffering for it if it never grows and therefore never attracts more quality apps and therefore our platform just dies from lack of professional developer support. I love winmo, but phones these days are being judged by their app stores, just look at http://best-apps.t3.com/ as an example - it doesn't make any mention of the thousands of freeware winmo apps available, or xda apps, just what is in the official app store - and it's lack of apps there is making winmo look crap.
I really wish too that some of the top app writers from the iphone would port some of their wonderful apps, but I can also see why they don't bother with the way the app store is perceived at the moment.
XDA could make a real difference to our platform - but I'm worried we prefer to 'hide away' in our web site with a superior look on our faces rather than actually getting out and showing the world what hd2's etc. can really do.
it works on iphone
Hi,
I have been increasingly concerned over future development (if any) of Windows Mobile. Having bought my TG01 only in February with the joy of believing that windows mobile would expand to windows mobile 7, I am now very disappointed to discover that this won't happen. Here are some article snippets I have seen in the news highlights:
"TG01 won't get windows mobile 7 upgrade"
Original Source: Can't seem to find it again on google, but have seen it on google within last few days.
and
"Adobe kills Flash Player 10.1 for Windows Mobile 6.5, smitten with Windows Phone 7 Series"
"If you’re not feeling a bit sorry for the aging Windows Mobile platform, you should be. With Windows Phone 7 completely overshadowing Windows Mobile 6.5 and Adobe confirming the death of Flash 10.1 for WinMo, the stylus-happy smartphone operating system of yester-year is being kicked to the curb left and right."
Original Source:
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/02/2...-6-5-smitten-with-windows-phone-7-series.html
Just wondered what other WM users think? Personally, I'm tempted to sell my TG01 fast before it's too late, but can't help but wonder if I'm making the right decision, and wouldn't know what to replace it with.
I keep reading negative headlines for windows mobile, and I think it won't be long before most phone manufacturers choose Android as their OS, therefore making windows mobile redundant. I suppose windows mobile has been around for some time now, so perhaps I shouldnt have bought a phone with a OS that is heading for 'death'.
Wrong section for this thread... But...
Many WinMo devices in the past never received official updates... My phone is from 2008 and didn't even receive a 6.5 update...
If you ask me Microsoft is going in the wrong direction. . They abandoning everything that made the platform great to focus on interface and dumb down the OS (I hate how they are iPhoning the system). In a nutshell it's the PocketPC deevolved from a tiny computer into a mere feature phone... They have already lost a great deal of 3rd party developer (professional and amateurs... most freeware devs and hackers got off the wagon)... The lack of quality freeware and OSS content is what will utterly drive me and many others to Android.
Samsung has released Bada... HTC doesn't seem pleased with the UI modifications constraints and has an ever increasing number of Android devices... Regardless of my opinion about them they are the current two biggest WinMo phones producers. If these two companies drop the platform it's as good as dead.
The signs of death are way older than this (just look at the state of many OSS projects and emulation... also the smaller number of commercial apps and quality games... even some bogus apps iPhone clones that users currently request here). Adobe is just throwing a tantrum (but considering Microsoft is pushing Sirlverlight, Apple is developing Gianduia and the eminence of HTML5... I don't know if they can afford the price) very much like Mozilla did when they cancelled Fennec for WinMo.
install mobile shell 3.5 much better then any microsoft update lol
We even lost support for Skype ! Whate a shame. Windows Mobile is really coming to its end :/
I recently bought a HTC HD2 and sold it because I realised there is no future in Windows Mobile..
It might be the end of Windows Mobile.
But if our great XDA hackers manage to compile a fully functional Linux kernel with required drivers over time, I assure you the use of your device won't be lost. It's still one of the best hardware devices out there at the moment if you ask me.
With that, Windows Mobile will still be what it was. I'd not even WANT Windows 7 if it is heading the way it's going now..
You people need to get the facts right.
Firmware updates DO NOT COME FROM MICROSOFT.
They are custom built by each manufacturer.
It is HTC, SE, etc... that do NOT update their phones. They make money by selling hardware, so "no new features" on old hardware is an industry standard.
It is TRUE that windows mobile 7 will include an update feature similar to that of android where you can get OS updates without having to resort to flashing the whole firmware.
What isn't true is that microsoft will give you windows mobile 8 for free and so on...
Google is giving you "free" updates because android is a platform for google to sell it's services... gmail, calendar... etc.
TRUE STORY:
1. Make something easy to use and people will come running, and give up their privacy and data on the way.
2. People don't actually USE windows mobile. They just push the buttons. Windows mobile is a platform too, a business platform. You need a business built around MS technologies to take advantage of it's true value.
They told us, WM 6.5 will be continued for professional users. But I think, if this really happens, new software will be rare: Skype is off the hook. Many other may/will follow: They want big business with many customers.
I plan my switch to Android. HTC Desire is at the top of the wish list !! I hope there will be as much quality software as there is for windows mobile here at XDA devs! I tested Android and maany apps are disappointing .
I tested Android and maany apps are disappointing .
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The reason I'm never changing to Android.
Very sorry to hear that Skype has been discontinued. Is someone able to confirm that this:
"Can I still use Skype for Windows phones if I already have it?
Yes. People who have already installed Skype for Windows phones can of course continue to use it."
means that as long as you have skype installed, you can still use it, meaning forever?
Well, I'll continue using my TG01 for another 6 weeks and then I'm putting it on ebay for around £150 Sim-free. Not sure if I'll be following the phone market anymore. I've seen a rapid flow of tablets being made recently and with the addition of 3G, I think that they could possibly overtake mobile phone market, but as they are still coming to the surface, they need a little more time so it's a waiting game for now.
At least windows mobile was easy and fast to navigate, but what's the point in following it if developers are leaving in droves and software is dying out.
Bring on Windows 7 (not the mobile version, but a more portable version of the desktop version ). RIP windows mobile Good (in a way) while it lasted.
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The reason I'm never changing to Android.
Very sorry to hear that Skype has been discontinued. Is someone able to confirm that this:
"Can I still use Skype for Windows phones if I already have it?
Yes. People who have already installed Skype for Windows phones can of course continue to use it."
means that as long as you have skype installed, you can still use it, meaning forever?
Well, I'll continue using my TG01 for another 6 weeks and then I'm putting it on ebay for around £150 Sim-free. Not sure if I'll be following the phone market anymore. I've seen a rapid flow of tablets being made recently and with the addition of 3G, I think that they could possibly overtake mobile phone market, but as they are still coming to the surface, they need a little more time so it's a waiting game for now.
At least windows mobile was easy and fast to navigate, but what's the point in following it if developers are leaving in droves and software is dying out.
Bring on Windows 7 (not the mobile version, but a more portable version of the desktop version ). RIP windows mobile Good (in a way) while it lasted.
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In my opinion in the near future many WM-programmers will switch to Android-programming. As we can see here in this community this switch has already started! That's a nice developement. I tested the HTC Legend last week and it was nice! You can even use the phone with minimal dependence on Google (apart from Android updates of course)!
Certainly the old Skype will work. But if Skype changes some fundamental things, you have to switch to programs with skype support like Fring. When WM is really dead, even the support for those apps would die, too.
But surely, eventually, someone could hack the TG01 to make it compatible with windows mobile 7 unless TG01 isn't hardware equipped to be able to run it? Perhaps there could be a slim chance? After all, the problem doesn't lie in the phone, but in the inupgradeable OS.
Guys your right!
its just dawned on me: What is the future of ' Microsoft Windows Mobile'
As Windows Phone 7, sounds rubbish and Wm is losing support from:
Skype IM
Adobe Flash 10.1
I fear the days are numbered before Android takes it thrown
I'm disappointed as well.
I'm heavily relying on Outlook to sync up two pocket pc phones (TP2s), as well as SpbFinance.
I wonder what's going to happen to Outlook, once Windows doesn't cater to adults, but only social networking teens and tweens? I imagine that other OSes, that put in some effort to use Outlook & Exchange, will eventually drop that too.
I have a second PC at home with OpenSUSE 11 on it, more as a curiosity than anything else. Maybe it's time to install GCC, the Eclipse IDE, and the Android SDK on it and start all over again. I'll probably start hanging out in the Android Development Forum.
As an aside, all the above are available totally gratis. Download them, install and run them, all under the GNU licenses.
In the early days Microsoft gave away Embedded Tools 3 (C++ and VB) and the later improved Embedded C++ 4.0, with the sole purpose of getting the platform moving. That vision seems to have gone, but it's probably too late now anyway.
This forum was an excellent lesson for Microsoft to follow the Google/Android model instead of Apple/iPhone.
Unfortunately for us, MS decided to follow the Apple/iPhone model, at least for their phone line of business..
I do believe though that the driving force of XDA is such that it could force MS into creating a WM/PocketPC series of devices based on WM6.5.x following the Google/Android model.
MS fears that if they do that, they will cannibalize WP7 sales, as everybody would love it:
- OEMs would not have to dump their development investments
- DEVELOPERS would have the choice to continue to use their libraries or use Silverlight,
- END USERS would continue to use their purchased software,
- even MS itself would love strong demand for devices like HD2 which would in turn bring strong license revenues.
Boiling everything down into one question to MS:
- Since, all that most people need is a phone with a notification system and apps marketplace, why couldn't you put this into any WM phone? Cheap, effective, and guaranteed to increase OS sales.
Answer: Well we did this... (Marketplace, Office 2010 etc.)
- Too late, you first killed the product and now you are trying to save it!
IT IS THE ERA THAT HAVE CHANGED, NOT THE TECHNOLOGY. I believe that WP7 would simply be the Windows Vista... WP7.1 (with WM6.5 app legacy support and multitasking) will be the Windows 7 of MS mobile phones.
In any case, if I was MS, I would have never introduced WP7 in the first place until I had it ready as my market expects it to be... How could they fall into the Osborne Effect? Did they expect that this wouldn't happen with MS? Well it did...
Dimitris
I think Microsoft was on a good way with WM6.5.x. It got finger friendly, the user interface got more usable and consistent.
The only thing MS didn't understand for years is that one very elementary thing is missing for Windows Mobile.
A FREE development platform with a STYLEGUIDE and a nice set of STANDARD GUI Controls which look good, are finger friendly and easy to use. Go to the iPhone Development Homepage and you will see what I mean.
Even with WM6.5.x they didn't learn this. They made their GUI more consistent with nice looking skinnable buttons, new finger friendly controls, and a quite usable light weight today screen.
This is all good and was the right way. But why is there no documentation on how to implement titanium plugins? Why is there no documentation and API on how to use the new controls? Why don't old programs use the new skinnable look of the controls? Why is there no API for gestures in .NET CF? ...
The support for programmers is absolutely worse (you can say not existent) for WM6.5.x so nobody wants to develop for it anymore!
Best regards,
Markus
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The reason I'm never changing to Android.
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Sure many applications are disappointing, but there are JUST SO MANY that you need not worry about the ones that are garbage.
Its the same with EVERY platform.
And being in the US #2 market share position while WM sits within the #4 "other" position, you can be assured that Android already has FAR FAR FAR more software developers than WM will *EVER* see again.
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I think Microsoft was on a good way with WM6.5.x. It got finger friendly, the user interface got more usable and consistent.
They made their GUI more consistent with nice looking skinnable buttons, new finger friendly controls, and a quite usable light weight today screen.
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that's HTC's GUI covering the ugly, ugly, WM. M$ has no merit in this!
WP7 is going to be born dead. too little, too late!! what could WP7 bring new now? hubs? they took the wrong turn following\copying the iPhone model.
i am on my way to android!
I think he's refering to WM itself. Manilla is everything but lite! In all latest devices HTC has been draining phone resources left and right for the sake of their trademark GUI.
The notion most users have of Android is also basically the HTC GUI (the Android basic GUI is also not that great).
I also think WM is on the brink of death but the fact is Android is not the answer. AFAIK the apps developed don't have capped access to the machine resources so we can forget about apps that really require everything the machine can give (such a good universal media player).
I writing an app now for Windows Mobile and I'm writing it for Windows Mobile as its the only platform that it can be written on as it makes use of a number of technologies and features that the other phones lack (I will admit Android is closest and hence a prime interest of mine for future projects). Windows Phone is a step backward technologically for sure, but the success of the iPhone proves that technology has little to do with market success.
I don't think the problem is technology, I think the problem is managing people's expectations and battery life. For example everyone wants GPS, Wifi and cellular data etc with apps running in the background using them all, but that is a battery killer and hence a phone killer. Apple's solution was to limit via the OS what could be running at any one time and hence while Microsoft might claim it was crappy apps that were causing problems (and there is some truth to that, but crappy coders are pretty much a universal problem on any platform and again if I limit what an application platform can do I also limit the damage crappy coders can do), the real problem was battery life and I think the Android is going to find the same problem. So in reality limiting the OS is really about limiting users and helping to manage their expectations and if that can be done, then you can be successful like Apple and its iPhone who lowered user expectations technically and then achieved in filling those lowered expectations. They are continuing this success by raising technical expectations as technology allows them. For example video conferencing in their next iPhone as innovation, your kidding even my old HTC Universal had a forward facing camera for video conferencing years ago but network speeds tended to leave the user disappointed, but now cellular speeds might be up to snuff and Apple will be successful with this (battery life should be interesting of course).
So I don't think technology is the key in this market, I think its finding the balance between what is technically possible and user expectations, and so you might have to drop the technical level of the product down and then raise it as technology makes it possible which sounds exactly like what Microsoft is doing with the Windows Phone.
Marketing and design was the key to Apple's success.
For years Apple held their ground and finally had a beak with the iPod. It was small, had a huge memory and was good looking. All of a sudden Apple was cool again. Over the years (and hardware revisions) the iPod became a trend, an icon and the Apple brand was automatically associated with the concept of quality by the average Joe. At this point they barely needed to market their products or be innovative anymore they just release stuff that already exists in a prettier package but otherwise inferior (iPad anyone?)
Apple gained the smartphone marked based on the cool factor, it's icon status and good looks. The iPhone had a cool looking hardware and an appealing and easy to use OS. It's however an overpriced piece of hardware with an inferior OS but what can we do if people get stupid when they see shiny objects? The flock of users, hardware standardization and centralized online market attracted developers and now the iPhone has a huge amount of programs available (sure most suck but they also have some handy stuff and lots if games).
The Windows Mobile seems to have emerged originally as an OS for a tiny computer... Not a phone on steroids. Microsoft would always have a market just as long as they released a solid platform and offered what the others didn't... Microsoft hasn't been cool for a long time (it's not a crowd pleaser). It was easier to drown the opponent products when you could just through in pile of cash to regain terrain but this won't work anymore (Apple's rolling in it). If MS is going to release just another iPhone they their new OS is dead on the water.
I recently posted a thread on how I can start programming geared towards the mobile platforms.
I would like to develop apps for more than one mobile platform. However I just have access to an Android device (SE Xperia X10), iPhone 4, and an iPad 2.
Smartphones are not like candies, that you can go pickup at a cheap store.
I mean how and where can I and other people who want to develop apps for specific platforms get free phones for testing and using the apps we develop?
The emulator that is included with the SDKs are not always the best way to test.
Any suggestions? All help is appreciated
EDIT: Forgot to mention that recently Windows Phone called over WebOS developers to develop applications on the WP platform, and Windows gave the developers free devices. But there are not many WebOS devs out there..
The best and fastest way to require a "demo" phone is doing the following.
Just get in touch with the companies that are creating the phones.
Explain your development and give them a nice overview on what your app is, what it does and how things go.
Make sure you don't demand a phone but wish to test run it on certain specific devices with key features that are a "+" in your app.
I think you'll have a chance to receive a demo phone.
Btw don't expect you'll be able to keep that phone forever.
I recently contacted HP to request an Elite-book from them for business usage.
Explained the plans and deals and after a few days i received one.
I need to return it by end of this year.(aawww )
Did same thing for some phones for my company
I think it depends on what you wanna test and how high your requirements are.
Also i think it's best to mail on behalf of someone working in the industry or on behalf of a company.
They had my company info in case of argument.
Sites like XDA got enough rep to request them and be trusted.
Individual guy asking for a phone is "50/50" chance. (depends on the person processing your mail and your info & app your working on)
One thread is enough: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1237030
Hello after hearing about apple reaching 500 billion dollar, my question is what does android need to do to become a serious competitor to apple so that people would rather buy android then an iphone? What does apple have in the iPhone and ipad that android dosent? I would like to see some opinions of what you all think thanks
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Apple has always been the underdog lol Android is still new so it will be at the top in due time.
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Apple has always been the underdog lol Android is still new so it will be at the top in due time.
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Well in phones I meant ever since the iPhone came out and iPad everyone is going crazy about there products, I'm not sure why when they have no where near the selection of android
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Android users need Watson, that would literally kick the $*it out of siri. I mean that would be amazing- doctors, researchers in the field, really just anyone in the sciences could use it and the average person could enjoy it as well as learn from it. Android is the perfect channel to reach all sectors and the general public with such a new and really amazing technology.
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Android users need Watson, that would literally kick the $*it out of siri. I mean that would be amazing- doctors, researchers in the field, really just anyone in the sciences could use it and the average person could enjoy it as well as learn from it. Android is the perfect channel to reach all sectors and the general public with such a new and really amazing technology.
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Yes the technology is far past apple, in my opinion android will be the future, I try to write what I imagine in the future of technology but I can't put it in words
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I see Android the same way I do Linux. It will attract the true techies but but for the average user it will not appeal to theme as it takes to much work to get it just right and most people are just to lazy
IMHO is the main difference between android and iOS, that android is more customizable and, with that, its more complicated. So, most people who only want to have a working phone which is looking good and don't want to learn anything bout software will buy an iPhone. Because its simpler.
I think android will be catshing up with apple, because it's only getting better, it is open source, the phones is cheaper and more options to change the apperence of the phone!
Why, isn't it the number one OS yet?
Hey thank you all for your replies, I was at best buy couple week ago and a person was looking to buy a android tablet or an ipad 2, I was next to the person when I was playing with a tablet and he asked me do you no what is better? Ipad 2 or this tablet? (He was looking at the Asus transformer) I told him Asus was, but he end up buying the ipad because his Droid phone always get a virus, freezes and so now he thinks all android are like that....if he only knew
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Hello after hearing about apple reaching 500 billion dollar, my question is what does android need to do to become a serious competitor to apple so that people would rather buy android then an iphone? What does apple have in the iPhone and ipad that android dosent? I would like to see some opinions of what you all think thanks
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You can't entirely confuse profits with marketshare (which Android has 51% of, I think they were saying). Apple is able to get away with a higher price markup for lesser specs because
0) low price elasticity - iSheep will continue to buy and to rationalize their mother company no matter what
1) they're facing no competition from other, similar iPhone makers, unlike android makers who compete with each other in both specs and price
2) they slice down anything that even vaguely resembles competition with lawsuits (even where they're clearly not making iPhones)
3) the brand itself has become so hyped that it's able to continue to get new users - I guess you could count this as marketing
They still have a much greater stranglehold on the pad market, so a lot of the profits probably come from that.
Finally, if you believe this post at least, Apple is able to squeeze more profits from the way our carriers and subsidies work. Nowadays, it's standard for the carrier to bundle phones along with their services, in a dual-pay system (the carrier "subsidizes" part of the phone cost in exchange for a contract). Because of Apple's particular market power (users might switch to another carrier if the other has iPhone and they don't), they are able to demand that carriers subsidize more while taking away the profits. That way, they make more money without directly charging the buyers. Indirectly, of course, the carriers probably pay for this through increased fees in general, which means that everyone ends up sponsoring the iPhone.
In other words, they've successfully managed to implement an "iPhone tax". Isn't bundling the greatest thing ever?
As for how to make Android better, updates and better phone compatibility is definitely an issue. ICS, for example, needed to be available quickly for multiple devices as soon as it's released. There really is no way to do this, except.. release it earlier. Have a completely open beta, like the Linux kernel, so that everyone can get compatibility working from day -100 onwards. If flashiness (and non-copying by Apple) is an issue, at least give the manufacturers early access to it, so that they're able to start working on device compatibility right away.
Meanwhile, unfettered by bureaucracy, custom roms are churning out faster than any manufacturer ever could. You could have updates and features faster than you ever thought possible; the average user, however, doesn't know enough, or isn't confident enough to go through the installation process. Google should include an easy ROM installer/backup utility by default. That way, the users get a full taste of the speed and power of openness, which really is so intoxicating that they'll never go back to a closed system ever again.
(They could even put start posting up their own custom ROMs! Imagine what their developers could do, unhindered by the megacompany issues. We would have updates, the like of which we've never seen before.)
If Android was optimized to run perfectly on one core just like Windows Phone 7 than I can see a lot of people using it. When I talk to Android users who don't know anything about custom roms/root they complain about force closes and applications not working. Also how there phone slows down.
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Yeah, agree with two posts above... The slow spread of Android 4.0 is only good for Apple, the big companies should realize that they're depending on the users liking android, and you will not get them to like Android with refusing to give them updates. Sometimes I think they are not able to look into the nearer future to see what's necessary for them...
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great info everyone yes I do notice a bit of a slow down on android 4.0 but I'm on a single core device, hopefully by summer they can find a solution to make android 4.0 more stable and better performance, I feel that the android team is working fast to come up with a software that would bring iPhone users to android, but when iPhone 5 comes out I hope some android phone company's have something up there sleeve that will be able to compete with apple
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*bumping up
Right now there on the right path to becoming number one in the market, what i think they need to do to become number one.
all official releases of android to be the same across all phones, things like TouchWiz to be scraped altogether
moderation on the market to stop useless buggy apps from making the market look bad
an android OS for desktops/laptops that will run consumer products
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Better hardware acceleration on all applications.
I think that iPhone as an advantage : there is only one model.
So you can find dock for desktop, car, audio, ...
Android is only the softwar and each constructor have to make is own accessories and so on.
In my opinion, one major problem of Android devices is about fragmentation.. I hope that Android OEMs can release updates for all devices faster.
mikebzh44 said:
I think that iPhone as an advantage : there is only one model.
So you can find dock for desktop, car, audio, ...
Android is only the softwar and each constructor have to make is own accessories and so on.
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Yes that's true but there is more money to be made in the android market rather then the iPhone. There are ALOT of brands and generics that make the same accessorizes for the iPhone and each brand is struggling to make money when they all make the same product, unlike android. Verity is better
OK we all know Android and iPhone are at the top right now but this poll isn't about them at all. this thread has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not WP8 or BB10 will outsell any other type of OS
Strictly speaking of Microsoft's upcoming Windows Phone 8 and RIM'S upcoming BlackBerry 10, which of these do you think are going to dominate in sales between these two in 2013? Both companies are promising a completely new and different OS than their previous smartphones. Which will prove the winner?
BB still has a lot of people pulling for it. I have to say the mock-up teaser video that they released and some of the proprietary apps look promising.
Windows has been lackluster so far, but I'm sure they will have some kind of promotion going on with Win 8 and their phones to try and get them into more consumer's hands.
If BB can release a strong set of apps initially on good hardware with a modern-looking intuitive interface then I think they will win in terms of sales over the next year, especially if their security and encryption is up to snuff. Even know a lot of corporate honchos are still BlackBerried up.
I think WP8 will beat out BB10. RIM has their entire existence riding on 10.
RIM still has a vastly superior advantage over Microsoft, at least as far as businesses go. I think RIM could cater only to businesses and still remain profitable.
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RIM still has a vastly superior advantage over Microsoft, at least as far as businesses go. I think RIM could cater only to businesses and still remain profitable.
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I think RIM is gasping some air before they will expire, I used to have over 100 BB messenger buddies, by the time I left them I was left with 5, its a slow and painful death but sooner or later it will happen
I think I can honestly say...
Neither.
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Well Nokia does have pretty good adverts for wp7 (like deadmau5 presentation in London). Maybe they can do the same with wp8.
Wp8 has a better chance.
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Both will probably fail.
I've used a Lumia and it's a wonderful device. Unfortunately, the app store was atrocious. Seriously, no Dropbox? When all your friends and family are enjoying newly released apps, you will feel left out. If you're lucky, you'll get that app a few months down the line. But by then, all your friends and family will move on to other apps.
BB10 could also be wonderful, but without serious developer support, it's going nowhere.
Developers won't make apps because there's no one to buy them. But no one buys the phone because there's no good apps. It's a vicious cycle.
RIM is just going to have to find the capital somewhere to make it happen. The good thing for Windows is that they can subsidise the handsets and keep the prices low just to get them into people's hands. They were even giving them away for trade of any smartphone; the fact that they didn't get a really high number of takers on that offers speaks to where WP is right now, though.
Anyway, RIM needs to be all in on this and do it right from the start to have any chance.
Before we delve too deeply off topic into speculating whether or not both will fail, keep in mind the topic deals with which of these 2 platforms would pull ahead of the other. Personally my money is on MS simply because they have more monetary muscle to throw around and their massively dominant presence as a computer OS worldwide both in homes and businesses is larger than RIM'S blackberry phone user base. All RIM really has are phones while MS can use their software business to push their windows phone. It's a make it or break it for RIM while MS can still chug along as a giant PC windows company regardless.
A good indicator so far is how big name developers are already getting on board for WP8 before it has even come out while RIM is still struggling to get them to sign up on BB10. It should prove to be an interesting battle
I think WP 8 will be more mature than BB OS 10 but im waiting for the OS wars to fire up a lot more competition lately
Huh, I thought I'd be with the majority when I chose Blackberry 10. Maybe it's just my outdated notion that every business person is carrying around a blackberry still, I should know that Android and iOS dominate the market now. I think.
Windows Phone 8
I think it's hands-down Windows Phone 8. MS already has a good base to build from in WP7 -- I've used it before and I think it's actually very good. BB only has the enterprise security thing going for them, which everybody else is catching up on pretty quickly.
Depends how strong the bundling effects of Windows 8 (and xbox) are, which is also up in the air. If microsoft do manage to integrate multiple devices seemlessly, their existing market share lock-in would surely push WP8 beyond blackberry.
As for who emerges victorious, hopefully Firefox OS.
Windows Phone 8 is coming. Vey fast and stable system
Wp8 has a better chance
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Wp8 has a better chance
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if I really have to pick one - I will WP8. BB10 is outdated and/or late too. WP8 still will need atleast another year or so to become mature. both of them are not candidates to beat the current leaders for sure like someone said.
WP8 definitely.
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in my opinion wp8 better than bb10.