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Removing preloaded stuff???

Anyone know how? I don't need these trial games.
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The only way to remove those apps which are locked down by the carrier is to root your phone (whenever that comes out), and use titanium to remove/disable the apps.

HeavyComponent said:
Anyone know how? I don't need these trial games.
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Temp root it with visionary (search market) and use this method to disable apps:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/10/15/how-to-disable-system-apps-on-devices-with-nand-protection/
It won't delete the apk but will disable it from running and clogging up resources. They also won't show up anymore in the launcher. I've temp rooted my mytouch 4g just fine using visionary just haven't gotten around to run all the scripts to remove all the bloatware yet.

Install Visionary for temp root, then install Titanium Backup, click problems and say yes to download Busybox. After that click backup/restore and from there you can remove any app PERMANTLY! Hope this helps =)

Don't they just reappear the moment you reboot?
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Confirmed
c_licious said:
Temp root it with visionary (search market) and use this method to disable apps:
URL ABOVE (can't post it yet)
It won't delete the apk but will disable it from running and clogging up resources. They also won't show up anymore in the launcher. I've temp rooted my mytouch 4g just fine using visionary just haven't gotten around to run all the scripts to remove all the bloatware yet.
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I used this method this morning, restarted and the games are NOT in the loader. It does work for that purpose. Just confirming for you

Thanks for the reply guys. I will try the methods.
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Snuggl3s said:
Install Visionary for temp root, then install Titanium Backup, click problems and say yes to download Busybox. After that click backup/restore and from there you can remove any app PERMANTLY! Hope this helps =)
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Worked with no problems! Thanks!
EDIT: Never mind! Everything came back after a reboot.
I'll try the other method and report back. Thanks anyway.
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HeavyComponent said:
Worked with no problems! Thanks!
EDIT: Never mind! Everything came back after a reboot.
I'll try the other method and report back. Thanks anyway.
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You actually REMOVED the app and it came back? Oh man that's some crazy lockdown.
It's nuts that the phones are locked down now. The only people who will "accidentally" break them are people who know what they're doing (and those who are willing to take a risk). I can't believe HTC/T-Mo when they say this is a preventative measure. Which smart person will boot up the phone while holding the vol down key and wipe their phone? They'll get scared and pull the battery!

allen099 said:
I can't believe HTC/T-Mo when they say this is a preventative measure.
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If this is really the way it's going to be, then they must have had a business case for taking those measures. These companies are out to make money, not to make toys for the homebrew community.
My guess is that they were getting more returns/exchanges than they were comfortable with. I mean, let's be honest here. How many of us know folks who have returned a bricked device saying "it just stopped working?" I personally know people who have tried rooting/moding phones without the least bit of knowledge of how it all works. I know because I'm the one getting calls to help out...
When that **** happens, TMO ends up in a difficult position. They're not going to call their customers liars, and they can't refuse to exchange the phone.
I wish they would give people an option to "buy" root. You pay $25 for an unlock, and your warranty is immediately and automatically voided. That way, only people who know what they're doing will sign up for it.

timbo1083 said:
I used this method this morning, restarted and the games are NOT in the loader. It does work for that purpose. Just confirming for you
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Can you confirm that you did a full reboot after this removal method (vs just down to a 'quick' reboot) and that they stayed gone?

Why do you guys want to completely remove something? Why not just disable it? Same effect.... You will never need more space in /system/app since you can't even write to that and if you disable it - it's gone from the launcher and does not hog memory/cpu. And you can re-enable it in case you want to use it again.
Look here for directions (thanks to Paul O'Brien)

borodin1 said:
Why do you guys want to completely remove something? Why not just disable it? Same effect.... You will never need more space in /system/app since you can't even write to that and if you disable it - it's gone from the launcher and does not hog memory/cpu. And you can re-enable it in case you want to use it again.
Look here for directions (thanks to Paul O'Brien)
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Thanks! I'll try it at work.
EDIT: It didn't work.
myTouch4G (Glacier)

I hear ya on the apps. I paid full price for this device and I think Tmo should give me the ability to root to remove them since I'm not under contract.
They got their money, let me do what I want with it now.
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HeavyComponent said:
Thanks! I'll try it at work.
EDIT: It didn't work.
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How did it not work? I don't have the phone myself but there's absolutely no reason for me to believe it wouldn't work

borodin1 said:
How did it not work? I don't have the phone myself but there's absolutely no reason for me to believe it wouldn't work
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I have no idea why it didn't work. I did exactly what the instruction said. Nothing changed, I'm assuming it doesn't work for the myTouch4G.
myTouch4G (Glacier)

Let me clear this up for everyone. What the OP (or 2nd 3rd post?) suggested does not work permanently. I have both a G2 and a myTouch 4G, they have the exact same read-only system memory.
The major difference between the G2 and the myTouch 4G, and why the OP thinks this works, is because the myTouch has fast boot. With this enabled (and it was on mine by default) you can turn "off" the phone and turn it back on without loosing root, or in this case, having apps magically reappear.
However, if you actually REALLY turn OFF the phone, either by disabling fast boot or simply removing your battery, they are going to come right back. The only permanent solution is to disable them, and you can find Paul's post in the G2 forums about how to do that using a terminal with root access.

RealityDesign said:
Let me clear this up for everyone. What the OP (or 2nd 3rd post?) suggested does not work permanently. I have both a G2 and a myTouch 4G, they have the exact same read-only system memory.
The major difference between the G2 and the myTouch 4G, and why the OP thinks this works, is because the myTouch has fast boot. With this enabled (and it was on mine by default) you can turn "off" the phone and turn it back on without loosing root, or in this case, having apps magically reappear.
However, if you actually REALLY turn OFF the phone, either by disabling fast boot or simply removing your battery, they are going to come right back. The only permanent solution is to disable them, and you can find Paul's post in the G2 forums about how to do that using a terminal with root access.
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I used Paul's guide on my myTouch and it didn't work. I did a complete reboot afterwards and nothing changed. I still had everything I disabled.
myTouch4G (Glacier)

Yes. Multiple times now. I cannot select any preloaded
because they arent even option now. Used vision, advanced shell. Works great.
EDIT: Sorry. Disabled. Not removed.
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HeavyComponent said:
I used Paul's guide on my myTouch and it didn't work. I did a complete reboot afterwards and nothing changed. I still had everything I disabled.
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I just did this to mine on a few apps and it worked for me, even after a restart.
Be sure to use the correct capatalization when typing out the commands. If it still doesnt work, type your commands in here exactly.

Another OTA?

So tmonews.com just announced another update for the 4g. http://www.tmonews.com/2010/11/android-phone-updat​es-galore/
I wonder if the mytouch 4g update is the second update or if its the first one that many of us got in the first few days of owning the device. Any one know?

Damnit I still haven't gotten the first one!
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I was just about to post about that... I would definitely like to know also because my video chat does not work that well (especially low volume!).

mikea3000 said:
So tmonews.com just announced another update for the 4g. http://www.tmonews.com/2010/11/android-phone-updat​es-galore/
I wonder if the mytouch 4g update is the second update or if its the first one that many of us got in the first few days of owning the device. Any one know?
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in the article(picture) it says this fixes qik bugs

Link is down what did it say?
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Personally, I would wait for CM or another rom to come out. Video chat will probably be optimized (among other things) in those roms anyway and there is no telling what this will do to root. It may "fix" root and plug up the exploit so that you are back at square one again.
My MyGlacier 4G MINE!!!

It's the same update we know about.

I would love cm on here but I hope there will be some way to keep the genius button. That's one piece of bloat ware that I love. I heard someone with a g2 had it on their rooted device so maybe a easy to add it to our custom ruins when they come out?
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Jayrod1980 said:
our custom ruins when they come out?
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Gotta love auto correct!
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its not the same one... this is the second one.... i installed the first ota update days ago, and the new one popped up last night. so this is indeed a second ota update.

Was it a regular OTA or just a OTA that pops up when you open up Qik? Thanks.

Legaleye3000 said:
Was it a regular OTA or just a OTA that pops up when you open up Qik? Thanks.
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regular... i have never opened Qik

Since the link is down - what specific items did it mention - or was it just a general announcement without any specifics?

I wonder if it matters which data plan you're on regarding getting the OTA's...? I'm on mytouch unlimited web, but I think the newest one is 4G unlimited web.

grankin01 said:
Personally, I would wait for CM or another rom to come out. Video chat will probably be optimized (among other things) in those roms anyway and there is no telling what this will do to root. It may "fix" root and plug up the exploit so that you are back at square one again.
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It is interesting that after root is released, An update is announced.

30Glock said:
It is interesting that after root is released, An update is announced.
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I was wondering about that also. If it was to plug a hole, it will become evident if those with the 2nd OTA find that the s=off and/or the rooting itself procedures no longer work. And then there is tethering....
Would TMo be that mean ???

If you make a backup using Clockwork, could you just reflash to get back to where you were if the new OTA takes away root?
If it's just a Qik update, can Qik from the new version be pulled from it and then installed on a phone without the newest OTA?

no because you need root to nandroid your phone

Only one update. If you have 2.2.1 thats the update for qik and some bugs; I got the email from HTC in their monthly news email.
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mikea3000 said:
So tmonews.com just announced another update for the 4g. http://www.tmonews.com/2010/11/android-phone-updat​es-galore/
I wonder if the mytouch 4g update is the second update or if its the first one that many of us got in the first few days of owning the device. Any one know?
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its a 2nd update? cause i have never got it. im still on 2.2.1. does urs says 2.2.2 or something?
but since i just traded in my white mytouch 4g and got the black one, now im waiting for the 2.2.1 update again lol. but does anyone have problems with gps locking on to where ur at? it takes about 5 mins at times to find me at my house.

Amazon wifi only bypass

Is there a way to make the amazon app store believe that it has a wifi connection so that wifi only applications can be downloaded without needing wifi?
I have unlimited data and never use my wifi unless I am tethering
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Considering that non-rooted phones still have to connect to a PC to side-load the darn apps, why can't we just use the "internet passthrough" feature and use our PC's broadband connection to download the wifi-only apps?!?

I am assuming you aren't Rooted? Cuz, um I don't have to connect to my PC to side load jack.
I have not been able to find an "app" that will let me bypass the wifi.

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I am assuming you aren't Rooted? Cuz, um I don't have to connect to my PC to side load jack.
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Correct, I'm still running the stock rom (non-rooted), but I'm getting close to my annoyance limit, heh.

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I am assuming you aren't Rooted? Cuz, um I don't have to connect to my PC to side load jack.
I have not been able to find an "app" that will let me bypass the wifi.
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Sideload?!?!? What is sideloading? I kid I kid
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zuriken said:
Correct, I'm still running the stock rom (non-rooted), but I'm getting close to my annoyance limit, heh.
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And I'm assuming you haven't received the sideloading update from at&t, correct?
(I'll never understand how, even with an official sideloading update, this continues to remain an issue for some people.)

Scott_S said:
And I'm assuming you haven't received the sideloading update from at&t, correct?
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Correct. No update, so I continue to use the Wonder Machine instead.

zuriken said:
Correct. No update, so I continue to use the Wonder Machine instead.
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I never used it. the phone made it three whole days before I was rooted and stock rom was booted.
'Course I read the forums for about a month before I was able to upgrade per my ATT contract and had already downloaded everything I needed and had a folder full of apps. Lolz

tweaked said:
I never used it. the phone made it three whole days before I was rooted and stock rom was booted.
'Course I read the forums for about a month before I was able to upgrade per my ATT contract
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Well that's cool. My contract had long since expired on my AT&T Tilt 1, but I was waiting for them to get something like the EVO before I got locked-in to a phone for another 2 years.

zuriken said:
Well that's cool. My contract had long since expired on my AT&T Tilt 1, but I was waiting for them to get something like the EVO before I got locked-in to a phone for another 2 years.
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I didn't see anything worth waiting for. Dual core is to new and not used and
3d...I'm color blind so 3d is not my thing.
By the time I can upgrade again (in 1yr 4 months) quad core will be standard.

ajdrausal said:
Is there a way to make the amazon app store believe that it has a wifi connection so that wifi only applications can be downloaded without needing wifi?
I have unlimited data and never use my wifi unless I am tethering
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Any ideas on how to approach this?
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ajdrausal said:
Any ideas on how to approach this?
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At this time I am unable to find anything on bypassing the Wifi.
Google search = Nothing but ppl asking if there is one
and
forum Search = ppl asking if there is one.
I had it on my Iphone and wanted it on andriod too. but it does not seem to exist.

tweaked said:
At this time I am unable to find anything on bypassing the Wifi.
Google search = Nothing but ppl asking if there is one
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forum Search = ppl asking if there is one.
I had it on my Iphone and wanted it on andriod too. but it does not seem to exist.
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Yeah that is my issue i googled hard enough

zuriken said:
Correct. No update, so I continue to use the Wonder Machine instead.
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Since apparently it hasn't updated on its own, and if you're not wanting to root, why not just call up ATT and have them push the update to your phone?
Unless there's some other reason...

Scott_S said:
Unless there's some other reason...
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No, there's no "other" reason. I don't mind using the Wonder Machine, since I've already got my phone connected to my PC to recharge anyway.

amazon appstore and at&t

i read that At&t started to allow the htc inspire to use the amazon update, with some sort of update. my wife bought an inspire two days ago and she cant get it to work. we just did a htc update and still no allowing of non market apps. i have the infuse and mine will do it right out of the box. thanks for the help

I think you have to call att and ask for them to give you the update...that's at least how I've heard you can get the update.
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speedfreak228 said:
i read that At&t started to allow the htc inspire to use the amazon update, with some sort of update. my wife bought an inspire two days ago and she cant get it to work. we just did a htc update and still no allowing of non market apps. i have the infuse and mine will do it right out of the box. thanks for the help
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I assume you have verified under settings > applications to see whether or not you have the "unknown sources" option, and if it is there, that is is checked.
If it's not there then, as mentioned, you'll have to call ATT to get them to push it to the phone.

King Askaba said:
I think you have to call att and ask for them to give you the update...that's at least how I've heard you can get the update.
ok thanks
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I assume you have verified under settings > applications to see whether or not you have the "unknown sources" option, and if it is there, that is is checked.
If it's not there then, as mentioned, you'll have to call ATT to get them to push it to the phone.
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yea i already checked. thanks for the help

do yall know the name of the update? at&t do not know what im talking about

speedfreak228 said:
do yall know the name of the update? at&t do not know what im talking about
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It's the "sideloading update", or you can say it's the update that allows you to install 3rd party applications that aren't on the Android Market. If the AT&T wireless rep still doesn't know what you're talking about, then they are an untrained moron and you should ask to be transferred to someone else.

henrybravo said:
If the AT&T wireless rep still doesn't know what you're talking about, then they are an untrained moron and you should ask to be transferred to someone else.
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You just described 98% of ATT employees.

zelendel said:
You just described 98% of ATT employees.
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LOL!!! 10chars

been on the phone with at&t for 20 minutes now and they are still trying to figure it out

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been on the phone with at&t for 20 minutes now and they are still trying to figure it out
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That's when you ask for their boss
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1.18.12 said:
That's when you ask for their boss
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ya now the imei isnt in there system to push the update too. just purchased it monday from at&t.
edit: well they found the imei number

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That's when you ask for their boss
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Or just root the phone
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The rep I talked to called HTC whom in return told him the update wasn't available yet for this phone. So I just rooted the phone using bubby's method. That opened up the 3rd party unknown sources.

dj sampson said:
The rep I talked to called HTC whom in return told him the update wasn't available yet for this phone. So I just rooted the phone using bubby's method. That opened up the 3rd party unknown sources.
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What a bunch of clueless people LOL. It was widely reported a month ago on tech sites like Engadget and HTC's own forum.

henrybravo said:
What a bunch of clueless people LOL. It was widely reported a month ago on tech sites like Engadget and HTC's own forum.
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Indeed. Not only that, but my parents both have bone stock inspires, and I checked their phones out of curiosity, and sure enough, they have "unknown sources" now.
Keep in mind, they don't have a friggin clue what it does, or that anything even changed on their phone.
Kinda funny how clueless parents get it without even asking for it, and the people desparate for it have to call up att.

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Indeed. Not only that, but my parents both have bone stock inspires, and I checked their phones out of curiosity, and sure enough, they have "unknown sources" now.
Keep in mind, they don't have a friggin clue what it does, or that anything even changed on their phone.
Kinda funny how clueless parents get it without even asking for it, and the people desparate for it have to call up att.
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ya lol. i finally got att to send the update. bunch of clueless people

Just ask them to push the Sideloading update to your phone. If they don't know what they are doing, then their customer support must be terrible.

your welcome works on my att inspire 4g. it will prompt for update. the update works without issue.

So there are people who have had success with att doing this then huh? I've called 3 different reps and no one could find anything. This is for my girlfriend's phone who does not want it rooted but one of the main selling points over the atrix was having the appstore.

Did 2.3.5 cripple your tether?

I posted this in two other threads but both got ignored.
As soon as I updated to the 2.3.5, tethering seems to be no longer supported. The option is there, but as soon as I activate the tether, 3G goes away. I have to turn off the tether, then manually switch mobile data off and on just for my 3G to come back.
Is this their way of getting people to finally pay for it?

Yes.. one of the features of the update was removing tether if you were not paying for it. No biggie though... you have a Nexus.. just unlock it and download one of the apps off the market.
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Since my phone had none of the reception issues this update was supposed to fix & reading alot of posts saying that it really didn't do much for those issues, I think I'll skip the update prompts & keep my free tethering.

highwayman1224 said:
Since my phone had none of the reception issues this update was supposed to fix & reading alot of posts saying that it really didn't do much for those issues, I think I'll skip the update prompts & keep my free tethering.
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Agreed I just flashed the new radio and that's good enough for me

NYYFan325 said:
Agreed I just flashed the new radio and that's good enough for me
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hmm can i just get back to 2.3.4 and flash the radio too?

Wow, Thats a bunch of Bullcrap that they removed the tether!! Oh well the Native app never worked with 4 g anyway..Just wondering, is there an app that allows us to tether in infrastructure??

nickespi said:
Wow, Thats a bunch of Bullcrap that they removed the tether!! Oh well the Native app never worked with 4 g anyway..Just wondering, is there an app that allows us to tether in infrastructure??
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yes wifi tether 3.0 pre 14 works with infrastructure i believe

Are we sure they removed tether and didn't just break it? Is it in the release notes somewhere?

Mine works fine with newest update

Mine is broken too, wifi tether works fine as always

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Agreed I just flashed the new radio and that's good enough for me
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I would initially agree, but the speakerphone update is so much better than in 2.3.4 . I use speakerphone way more frequently than tethering..

i never used the native tethering anyway

hellcatt said:
i never used the native tethering anyway
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wireless tether for root users http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/

Works fine here.
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So you have the 2.3.5 update and no root and can use the stock wifi tether still?
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Works fine here.
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I am a little confused why Google allowed sprint to do this. Whether you you use the tether or not and regardless of how easy it is to get it back it doesn't sit well with me that Sprint is calling the shots with this phone now. One of the major appeals of this phone is the pure Google experience, which is now the partial Google experience. I wonder if this had anything to do with the delay of the OTA, maybe sprint was holding out until google let them kill the tether? Anyways, it doesn't instill a great amount of confidence in google for this phone and future nexus devices. I still like the phone and there is nothing on sprint I would rather have, I'm just a little pissed at how they tucked this into an update that was much anticipated and stripped some of our "pure googleness".

I don't understand this...i dont pay anything extra for tether, and i can still tether on stock 2.3.5. Why are some people unable?

i just flashed the new KE5 radio(found in the ns4g dev section), and im not seeing any issues. still on 2.3.4 tho.. i dont see any reasons to update to 2.3.5 especially if this is a problem. i tether wayyyy too much.

Manual versus OTA update
mcosmi said:
I don't understand this...i dont pay anything extra for tether, and i can still tether on stock 2.3.5. Why are some people unable?
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So I have a two day new Nexus S and I did the manual update last night. Now when activating the mobile hotspot the 3g or 4g icons go away and it does not have connectivity anymore.
Now, I have read conflicting info about whether this is happening just to those who did the manual update and if you did OTA it still works. Can anyone confirm this?
If that is the case, then I need to return this one and get another and just be more patient next time to get the update officially OTA. =)
Not that I am tremendously worried about the tethering/hotspot being free, but I am uneasy that doing this manually may have screwed things up in as of yet other unknown ways. Like if I do pay for hotspot/tethering someday it might still not work right, etc.
Thanks!

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mcosmi said:
I don't understand this...i dont pay anything extra for tether, and i can still tether on stock 2.3.5. Why are some people unable?
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Did you manually update or did you wait for it to be pushed to your phone? I'm stock and wasn't rooted and I manually updated and my tethering both usb and wifi hotspots are not working.
Also I notice in the kernel version that it's longer than when I was on 2.3.4 mine says 2.6.35.7-g3cc95e3 [email protected] #1
Is that normal?
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