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Samsung undecided about Gingerbread on Galaxy S, Google says hardware needs 'similar'

If the Nexus S is basically a Galaxy S in Gingerbread disguise, you'd think Samsung would be bursting at the seams to offer a software upgrade for all the phones it's already sold from that family. Okay, you really wouldn't, but you'd hope that would be the case, right? Well, Pocket-lint prodded Samsung on just that point and managed to finagle the following response from a local UK contact presumably speaking on behalf of the mothership:
"In case a new version of Android operating system is publicly announced and released, Samsung will review the possibility of implementation of such new version to the existing Samsung products with Android operating system ("Update").
Such a review will be based on various factors including, without limitation, the overall effect of such Update to Samsung products, the system requirements, the structural limitations, and the level of cooperation from the component suppliers and the software licensors".
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More here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/09/samsung-undecided-about-gingerbread-on-galaxy-s-google-says-har/

Nope, the Galaxy S will be getting gingerbread:
http://twitter.com/Samsung_Mobiles/status/12437775529803776
A reporter already touched bases with Samsung, Samsung has claimed to be working on Gingerbread way before Motorola and HTC supposedly because they were experimenting with it on the tablets.

SlimJ87D said:
Nope, the Galaxy S will be getting gingerbread:
http://twitter.com/Samsung_Mobiles/status/12437775529803776
A reporter already touched bases with Samsung, Samsung has claimed to be working on Gingerbread way before Motorola and HTC supposedly because they were experimenting with it on the tablets.
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Both of these pieces of information have been discussed in the Gingerbread thread.
And saying "Nope" doesn't change the fact that the Engadget article is pointing out the same inconsistencies - Samsung UK says "unknown at this time" and as your tweet shows; Samsung India says "yes" - so I think we can agree that the answer is undecided.
No idea why a new thread was started.

alphadog00 said:
Both of these pieces of information have been discussed in the Gingerbread thread.
And saying "Nope" doesn't change the fact that the Engadget article is pointing out the same inconsistencies - Samsung UK says "unknown at this time" and as your tweet shows; Samsung India says "yes" - so I think we can agree that the answer is undecided.
No idea why a new thread was started.
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"UK contact presumably speaking on behalf of the mothership:"
Who is this contact and presume is better way of saying assume.
I truly hope that India is right.

Considering most employee's Twitter use about work is governed by non-disclosure agreements, for an Indian employee to Tweet something like that he is either corect and doing it with company permission, or soon to be fired, correct or not.

A big question is where do Samsung software engineers work?
Maybe they work in India or Korea, who knows. But I think the UK wouldn't have as much knowledge as either of them.
We'll just have to wait and see.

alphadog00 said:
No idea why a new thread was started.
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You really don't have an idea? It should be quite obvious...I did it to annoy you.

nooomoto said:
You really don't have an idea? It should be quite obvious...I did it to annoy you.
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That and because you probably don't know to search first... standard rookie mistake. But I forgive you.

alphadog00 said:
That and because you probably don't know to search first... standard rookie mistake. But I forgive you.
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Whew! That was a close one, I wasn't sure if you were going to forgive me or not. Now I can rest easy tonight...I'll post a new thread to let you know.
I apologize for not having superior forum searching skills. I'm so glad that you found the time in your busy day to point out that the link to the article had already been posted in the 8 page long Gingerbread thread, while at the same time offering your analysis of the situation and reaching the conclusion that nothing has been decided. You are truly a shining beacon in the pantheon of multi-tasking.
Really dude, stop being so anal. Everyone on this forum is so pissy. I've been on physics forums that are more light-hearted.

Bravo to the UK rep for giving a nice neutral PC response. He should get a job in politics.
Seriously, what is the rep supposed to say?
"Yes, without question."
"NO, never going to happen. Buy new Samsung products."

Do you think samsung wants to make more money or keep current customers happy?
Because I think they are more after money.
So they in my conclusion they would not make gingerbread FW for SGS.
they would make a whole lot to give us froyo and make the "next gen" phone with Gingerbread and have that updated to whatever is going to be next....h...h...
offtopic... what dessert starts with a h?

sixk said:
Do you think samsung wants to make more money or keep current customers happy?
Because I think they are more after money.
So they in my conclusion they would not make gingerbread FW for SGS.
they would make a whole lot to give us froyo and make the "next gen" phone with Gingerbread and have that updated to whatever is going to be next....h...h...
offtopic... what dessert starts with a h?
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Well making money and keeping your customers go hand in hand.

Honeycomb
Sent from my Axura 2.1 phone with Gingerbread keyboard.

ah... is that the announced name honeycomb???
I didnt look it up haha >_<
anyways technology is changing so fast they cant keep one item for more than 2 years now without it being obselete now.
We have a SGS captivate because we wanted the best...
but for how long?
I am pretty sure by next summer its going to be mid range by than.
So like half the people with a captivate will get the "newest bestest" phone by then because thats what we want. the best tech for that time... well those with money atleast haha
so my point is why waste time on a mid range phone when they can concentrate on a better phone by the time they can put gingerbread into SGS variations.
Also with all the carriers being stingy with froyo... =/
I can only see 1 FW update for new phones lately unless its Dev phones.
Reason why iphone are good is because they can update their fw because all their phones are similar and is on one carrier till they go verizon.
This is just my opinion though
only thing we can do is just wait and see. ^^
have a good day and really I do hope for Gingy for our phones.

sixk said:
so my point is why waste time on a mid range phone when they can concentrate on a better phone by the time they can put gingerbread into SGS variations.
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Because if you don't treat current customers well it makes it harder to get new customers.

if most customers are like me i had the i8910 hd and changed to captivate to see if they might have better support which is a whole lot better than the i8910.
but really... with tech moving so fast support will only last 2 years the most imho
look at nokia and sony...
they are like that also ^^ not only with phones but with other things.
but everyone has their opinion and story
I guess this is getting more and more off topic
im sorry haha

File this under, I'll believe it when I see it.
Samjunk still hasnt released Froyo for the Captivate yet and people are worried about Gingerbread?

derek4484 said:
File this under, I'll believe it when I see it.
Samjunk still hasnt released Froyo for the Captivate yet and people are worried about Gingerbread?
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Is it Samsung that hasn't release Froyo or the carriers who haven't released it?

derek4484 said:
File this under, I'll believe it when I see it.
Samjunk still hasnt released Froyo for the Captivate yet and people are worried about Gingerbread?
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Blame att not Samsung.
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Ok.. is SG going to give us Gingerbread.. They say they will, but by then we are going to be PAST Honeycomb, they are slow, lazy and do not care. Honestly, they rather sell a new phone with the new OS then just do a free update.
lets be honest, they will give it to us, but by then it will be too late
NOW, lets think about this tho. the Nexus S is a Galaxy S with a twist right. So lets wait till some of the Chefs in the Rom dept give us a ROM unlike anything in efficency that SG will give us.
I mean, do you think the update to Froyo is going to be as good as the stuff that is out already? heck we even have some stable OV-UV HSPA roms out there, stable and all.
I'v had HTC, Samsung, and millions of other phones, i never rely on the manufacture. Heck even the iPhone had such better stuff when it was jailbroken.
just say'n. the newest from the manufactures, will be nothing but just obsolete crap.

G2X clogging up O2X threads???

I think there should be a new Section or even in the Sub-Forums a space for the GX2.
I also can see people flashing stuff they shouldn't to there phone and getting mixed up with all the different post/topics on the 2 different phones

Yep I agree make no sense in the same forum space...

and didnt one of the devs say flashing something from the o2x unto the g2x will break functionality? i also think there should be a seperate forum or a subforum

Lol I can see how that can be frustrating
Nexus S

twoeleven99 said:
and didnt one of the devs say flashing something from the o2x unto the g2x will break functionality? i also think there should be a seperate forum or a subforum
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They certainly did, thats why it should be moved even to the Sub-Forums just so thats it's seperated

Or people can start labeling threads "g2x" or "o2x". A little reading can go a long ways as well.

donutman said:
Or people can start labeling threads "g2x" or "o2x". A little reading can go a long ways as well.
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I think it needs seperating every other post in the general is g2x which isn't what I or others what to be filtering through hehe (well that my opinion)

It's funny how the sensation which is months away already has it's own section while the g2x doesn't... Also the vibrant and the vibrant 4g both have their own section while being such similar devices
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I don't think "clogging up" is the right term, "cross pollination" might be better. There is some crossover for sure, but it's obvious that some G2x things might be fatal to the O2x.. and vice verse... a separate section is definitely called for.

as long as posts are clearly labeled [G2X] [02X] it should be fine. but 2 months down the line it will probably be a mess in here

Yeah the android genius paulobrien posted that flashing O2x baseband will remove all phone functionality on the G2x. I assume that since only a select few people in the USA have the G2x now. That will have our own section by Monday, Hopefully CM7 will be right behind it.
I dont know how I'm gonna survive till tuesday
I'll probably just flash MicroMod's HD-Desire v1.7 for the old lady and get her set up

Yeah. Some people are just idiots and will try everything they see without even reading. Haha, a subforum would be enough i think. Paul would be away for 10 days so we wont be hearing from him for 10 days. Cant wait for his return.

Less offensive version.
I think the benefits of the united efforts of g2x and o2x devs outweigh the disadvantages of a mistakenly flashed kernel (which is no big deal because the phones are nearly brick proof). The small portions which differ should be marked accordingly and, honestly, people who flash the wrong baseband because they didn't read the thread properly or don't know what they are doing deserve to be reminded to properly read topics and obtain the knowledge necessaryin the future.

I agree with aMpeX!
There are labels like [ROM], [Kernel], [How To] etc., people should just put [O2X] and [G2X] in front of their titles!
And don't you start about people making mistakes because the G looks a bit like an O..

There were 2 seperate forums for the g2 and desire z. Those ended up merging.

We definitely need a separate forum for the G2x. First off, a lot of n00bs aren't going to realize the Optimus 2X has virtually the same hardware as the G2x - if they DO figure out that particular point, there is still a high probability they will bork their phones flashing O2X basebands onto their G2x's. A perfect example - the thread warning G2x owners NOT to flash O2X basebands is not even a sticky. One can argue that not reading makes it their own fault but at the same time, most of America is filled with total idiots. The rest of the world knows that.

EtherealRemnant said:
We definitely need a separate forum for the G2x. First off, a lot of n00bs aren't going to realize the Optimus 2X has virtually the same hardware as the G2x - if they DO figure out that particular point, there is still a high probability they will bork their phones flashing O2X basebands onto their G2x's. A perfect example - the thread warning G2x owners NOT to flash O2X basebands is not even a sticky. One can argue that not reading makes it their own fault but at the same time, most of America is filled with total idiots. The rest of the world knows that.
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I RESENT THAT AMERICAN STATEMENT NOT ALL OF US ARE FAT/STUPID (just 70%)
i am REQUESTING a sub-forum/forum for the tmobile G2x HERE-----> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=12958184#post12958184
PLEASE POST HERE TO KEEP IT AT THE TOP AND SO WE CAN GET IT GOING! THANKS!!!!

Lol
Nexus S

I thinks the O2x people need to pushed out for the new hotness of the G2x.

C'mon ppl, we essentially bought the same phone, so why all the hating?
As I said, people who are unable to understand / too stupid to read shouldn't be flashing basebands in the first place. So if they brick their phone, it will hopefully teach them a lesson or too, and they will have to deal with the full wipe when they revert to stock using NVflash. You wouldn't flash a toasters firmware to a sandwich maker, so stop being ridiculous and read the goddamn threads. People put a lot of effort into pointing out what you CAN do and what you CAN't do.
Also, I want to emphasize again, apart from the Baseband, the Radio Interface Layer and 1 or 2 swapped partitions, those phones are IDENTICAL, so why split all the awesomeness brought here by devs to 2 sub forums. I, for one, would end up reading both.
And btw, as of now there is a sticky warning G2X users not to flash O2X basebands and vice versa.
Cheers
aMpeX

Combining of Optimus 2x and LG G2x threads. Lets just do it.

Seems there is enough similarities of the phones, if not Exact....that the threads could be combined.
The reason I think it is critical to combine is that it becomes a hassle to check each thread to see what is good info...we have double postings essentially having two groups talking and solving the same problems.
I even have to post this poll in two places, for the exact same hardware, under the same logic as two categories, we would need a new group for each custom ROM.

dude that would cause chaos did u see where the one guy didnt see this one download was specifically for the g2x n flashed it n it ended up being for the o2x he was stuck with the wrong baseband basically ****ed it would be to much confusion especially with the new people who frequent this site

No, like it has been mentioned, these aren't the same exact phones, it's just not roms and flashing but lots of mods and apps and workarounds that are different for both phones.
Also, I am willing to bet that the majority of G2X users are Americans on T-Mobile's network, which means we have our own set of network and carrier issues to deal with.
The lines need to be established just to make sure a new owner or casual user doesn't mess up their $600 plus phone.

+1 againareku

Yea...if the g2x had been running the same exact software as O2x...then yea otherwise you'll get all confused and have a $500 LG paperweight
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tombaker1 said:
Seems there is enough similarities of the phones, if not Exact....that the threads could be combined.
The reason I think it is critical to combine is that it becomes a hassle to check each thread to see what is good info...we have double postings essentially having two groups talking and solving the same problems.
I even have to post this poll in two places, for the exact same hardware, under the same logic as two categories, we would need a new group for each custom ROM.
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As I am the person the requested and got the g2x its own forum before the phone was released... I'd advise against this as they are not even close to the same phone.... go flash a pure i9000 rom to your vibrant see what happens
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Just go look at the mess that is the G2/Desire Z forum and you'll understand what will happen. And those phones are MUCH more alike than ours.

[Q] Can you make the mesmerize into a fascinate to use on verizon network?

I am a Verizon member and wanted to know if a sanding mesmerize could be turned into a fascinate so that I can use it on verzion's network. A fellow coworker upgraded and he offer it to me for a deal I couldn't refuse. So nothing is illegal about the deal.

technologic said:
So nothing is illegal about the deal.
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You definitely stole it.

In theory, yes. But, the companies often don't want to touch a phone branded differently.
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you could at least take it in to the Verizon store and tell them you are positive that it can be put on their network and you can even flash a verizon radio and stock rom if that would be needed. Depending on the tech you have you might be able to get it working. the obstacle is not the phone nor the network, it's the people that don't know what they're doing running the stores.
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sageDieu said:
you could at least take it in to the Verizon store and tell them you are positive that it can be put on their network and you can even flash a verizon radio and stock rom if that would be needed. Depending on the tech you have you might be able to get it working. the obstacle is not the phone nor the network, it's the people that don't know what they're doing running the stores.
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i have to totally agree with you. I took techno's phone into our local uscc branch and forgot to go back to stock before. it took the girl behind the conter like 30 min to get over the fact that recovery was red. lol
by the way..... this phone is not stolen. but im thinkin there might be a need for a douche bag alert.

pbrowngi said:
but im thinkin there might be a need for a douche bag alert.
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Ooooooh u a bad boy

Sorry for going off topic but ive never understood why a word with that meaning could possibly be an insult. Seems like a complement.
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Douchebag?

sageDieu said:
Seems like a complement.
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I certainly don't take it as a compliment, but to each his own...

I don't take it as a compliment. just the definition is like implying somebody who gets laid a lot or something.
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Ah ok. Gotcha...

I believe there are minor differences between the two devices on the software side. I know that when you go to update the OS, you have to choose the version specifically for your carrier. Obstacle one would be flashing the Mesmerize with Fascinate ROM (not a huge obstacle at all).
Obstacle two would be getting the ESN/MEID registered by Verizon reps. Since the phone doesn't have a SIM, Verizon (and other CDMA carriers) use the ESN to register the phone with their network. If you go into a carrier store, they might look at the US Cellular branding and turn you away. You might be able to call in to Verizon and get it activated over the phone. I believe most ESNs are pre-registered by the carrier when they receive the phone, so it might not show up in their database. Usually when that happens, they send you to a local store to verify the device. If you're lucky, they will add it to the database over the phone, but that might be a long shot.

No troll I didn't as a matter of fact a friend of mine is a member here and decided to buy it and use it on us cell so before you want to cast judgement think before you open your mouth
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Main Entry: troll
Function: noun
: a lure or a line with its lure and hook used in trolling
: a dwarf or giant in Scandinavian folklore inhabiting caves or hills
So are you saying I'm fishing bait or Scandinavian folklore?

add144 said:
Main Entry: troll
Function: noun
: a lure or a line with its lure and hook used in trolling
: a dwarf or giant in Scandinavian folklore inhabiting caves or hills
So are you saying I'm fishing bait or Scandinavian folklore?
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Scandinavian folklore for sure lol

[REQUEST] Let's make the distinctions between the S4 and Tegra3 forums crystal clear

Some friends of mine live along a rural road east of San Diego. Their house is adjacent to a sharp turn at the end of a long straightaway. Since they moved in a couple of years ago, five different cars have gone off the road at the bend and crashed into their yard. On two occasions, the cars almost wound up in their living room.
In every case, the cars were going too fast at night or weren't paying attention and failed to negotiate the turn. At least two of the drivers had been drinking. There are multiple warning signs before the turn, but people miss them or misjudge how sharp the bend is, especially at night.
It's easy to say people shouldn't drive too fast or be more careful on twisty back roads at night, but after a certain point, you have to recognize that there's a problem and ask if there are reasonable things that could be done to protect people from their own stupidity or carelessness.
Here is our problem:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1813839
A number of people have pointed out that it's very easy to end up in the International One X forum when coming from Google. If you just got your phone, and arrive directly in the international forums, all you see in the forum directory tree at the top is "HTC One X." It's not immediately obvious you're in the wrong place if you haven't done your homework (which, yes, you should do first, but ... see above). There are warnings, but you kind of have to look for them--easy to overlook if you're not even aware the phones are different, as is often the case.
It seems like a simple renaming of the two forums would go a long way toward addressing the problem. Possibly just:
-HTC One X (Tegra 3/Endeavor--International)
-HTC One X/XL (S4/Evita--AT&T, Rogers, Telstra)
Thoughts? It won't help the people who refuse to read first, but it ought to help some of the people who simply blunder into the wrong forum without realizing it.
IMO, anything that cuts down on the number of "Help!! What did I do wrong?" threads is an improvement.

So say we all.

We've been requesting a clearer distinction between the forums for some time now - as far as I've seen, the mods just aren't willing (or perhaps informed). I agree with this thread wholeheartedly; I simply don't expect any changes anytime soon.
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Here here!
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What I have always wanted personally but never spoke about is:
Rename every single forum on XDA to the device's codename.
This would prevent this. It would also make the noobs figure something out by themselves (they device's codename). If even that is too much, XDA could have a device name -> code name translator somewhere.

I second (or whatever number we are on now) this request. It seems like 2/3 of the questions in Q&A are either One XL but tried using international software or international One X and just in the wrong Q&A.

Spot on OP.
Whilst the problem (different devices with the same/similar marketing name) isn't XDA's fault, the (simple) resolution certainly is.

rohan32 said:
What I have always wanted personally but never spoke about is:
Rename every single forum on XDA to the device's codename.
This would prevent this. It would also make the noobs figure something out by themselves (they device's codename). If even that is too much, XDA could have a device name -> code name translator somewhere.
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Such a good idea, seriously THIS.
Plus I love calling my phone by its codename, just seems more bad ass
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AT&T, Rogers and Telstra is misleading as there is Vodafone, o2, Singtel and who knows what else. I bought that to the mods direct attention via PM and via user feedback thread.
I never got a response in any direction to what the mods think. Not a yes or a no, just silence.
Anyone would think renaming a forum was a hard task......

rohan32 said:
Rename every single forum on XDA to the device's codename.
This would prevent this. It would also make the noobs figure something out by themselves (they device's codename). If even that is too much, XDA could have a device name -> code name translator somewhere.
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ChongoDroid said:
Such a good idea, seriously THIS.
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My only concern with this is that it would likely lead to a flood of threads like "Am I in the right forum?" "What is my phone's codename?" "Help! I'm lost!"

iElvis said:
My only concern with this is that it would likely lead to a flood of threads like "Am I in the right forum?" "What is my phone's codename?" "Help! I'm lost!"
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Let them figure it out themselves, it's not hard to do so and anyone who can't shouldn't be messing with their phone anyways.

I think the Evita forums should have "LTE" in its name while the Endeavor forums have "HSPA+". That should clear things up.

ChocolateShein said:
I think the Evita forums should have "LTE" in its name while the Endeavor forums have "HSPA+". That should clear things up.
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But the endeavor has hspa+ too...

How about a wizard? Enter your IMEI number, click go, and land in the correct forum!
It's the only way!
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I think the Evita forums should have "LTE" in its name while the Endeavor forums have "HSPA+". That should clear things up.
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Perhaps if you use pocket protectors
Let's be realistic. Better signage will help some. But do you really think "international" and "tegra" mean anything to the majority of people hanging out here? Heck, I consider myself relatively knowledgeable, had been on XDA for a few years and still ended up in the other forum when I first got my hoxl. Add to that that people call the nfl and nba champions "world champions" with a straight face and truly believe it, nd you see how you can still have a problem. Perhaps listing the countries that a set is officially sold into may be more effective. There will still be people who end up in the wrong place. Australia, Austria... Who knew they were not the same place. Ironically one is tegra the other is s4

GroovyGeek said:
P. Australia, Austria... Who knew they were not the same place. Ironically one is tegra the other is s4
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I dont think people actually from either of those countries would be confused
The list of countries would quickly become too long for any forum titles.
Perhaps there should be a sticky at the top of all forum sections for handsets known to cause confusion.
Eg both One X and One XL forums should always have a locked sticky :
Title:
Warning: Numerous different One X models exist, you must read this first
Body:
Several very different One X models are sold around the world, these phones are not all compatible and you must ensure you are in the correct forum before doing anything!
There is a high risk you could permanently damage your phone by following any instructions given for the wrong phone.
All One X phones look the same from the outside but there is at least 2 very separate versions of the phone.
The first type is LTE capable and has a dual core 1.5ghz Qualcomm MSM8960 Snapdragon aka S4.
The phones codename is "evita".
This phone is sold by AT&T, Rogers and Telus under the name One X.
The phone is also sold by Telstra, Vodafone Germany, o2 Germany and Singtel under the name One XL.
For this phone you should be in the following XDA Dev forums:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1538
The second type is not LTE capable and has a quad core 1.5ghz Nvidia Tegra 3.
The phones codename is "endeavor".
This phone is sold in nearly all regions except North America and is always named One X.
For this phone you should be in the following XDA Dev forums:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1533
Once again there is a very high risk of permanent damage if you follow the wrong forum!

twistedddx said:
I dont think people actually from either of those countries would be confused
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Well, actually it is confusing as both the Tegra and S4 versions are sold in Australia (don't know about Austria )
Telstra has the S4 version (called a One XL here) and everyone else the Tegra (One X).
Only one is capable of LTE/4G, so maybe that needs to be prominent in the thread title?

I like OP's idea for the two forum names, and then having a warning as the first thing a person sees when they enter that forum stating something catchy like "WRONG PHONE FOR THESE FORUMS? CHECK HERE!!". Then inside make sure the first line or two is very simple so people don't TLDR it and ignore the information.
Something like:
"Your phone comes in two very different, incompatible versions. There are different forums for the different versions.
This forum is for phones that use the S4 chip and is sold by AT&T, blahblahblah. If your phone has the Tegra 3 chip and is sold by blahblahblah then head to this other thread.
Using information from the wrong forum for your phone can lead to a broken phone!"
You'll never catch everyone, but making a simple change like being discussed would cut down on some of the issues anyhow.