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iPhone 4 vs. Samsung Captivate

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CPU/GPU: Tie Both the A4 and the Hummingbird perform pretty much equally considering they are almost the same thing. Assuming Apple underclocked the iPhone, the Captivate gets a slight advantage.
RAM: Tie They both have 512mb of RAM (although it can't all be used until we get Froyo)
Storage Space: Captivate They both have 16gb onboard, but the Captivate is expandable
Design: iPhone Antenna issues aside iPhones design is way better.
Screen: tie If you like 3.5" screens then the iPhone is the best by far. But I prefer the larger but lower res screen on the Captivate.
Camera(s): iPhone Even though they both have 5mp cameras, the iPhone took much better shots. Combine that with the fact that the iPhone has a front facing camera and a LED flash and the iPhone wins by a longshot.
Signal: Captivate The iPhone has much better signal as long as you are holding it right. But the Captivate wins because you don't have that restriction. If your iPhone will live in a case then it is a non-issue.
Software: This is more tricky and it comes down to what you prefer. If you want a really customized experience and enjoy tinkering with the OS, then Android is for you. If you want something that works amazingly at what is does (but can not gain added functionality short of what Apple allows) the go with iOS.
Conclusion: These phones are so evenly spec-ed that it ends up coming down to preference. iOS vs. Android.

I hate these posts because it's just gonna start a flame-war with no positive outcome. To each is own........

dsjr2006 said:
I hate these posts because it's just gonna start a flame-war with no positive outcome. To each is own........
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I did not mean to start a flame war I just meant to compare because there were far to many people asking which to get. Besides this is XDA its mostly people who already have the captivate.

keep on trollin

nbs11 said:
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CPU/GPU: Tie Both the A4 and the Hummingbird perform pretty much equally considering they are almost the same thing. Assuming Apple underclocked the iPhone, the Captivate gets a slight advantage.
I'd like proof that the iphone 4 is running at 1Ghz before I say anything.
If it was at 1Ghz i'm sure apple would of announced it as being faster than the speed of light or something similar.
RAM: Tie They both have 512mb of RAM (although it can't all be used until we get Froyo)
Agreed, although android has true multitasking and better task management, which adds up to better memory usage. (?)
Storage Space: Captivate They both have 16gb onboard, but the Captivate is expandable
Agreed
Design: iPhone Antenna issues aside iPhones design is way better.
I phone 4 design is really nice, but then you don't have replaceable battery or expandable memory, so...
Screen: tie If you like 3.5" screens then the iPhone is the best by far. But I prefer the larger but lower res screen on the Captivate.
Captivate screen might not be as high resolution as the iphone 4 but its still a really nice resolution, plus the contrast ration/colors are better on the captivate and it uses less power.
Camera(s): iPhone Even though they both have 5mp cameras, the iPhone took much better shots. Combine that with the fact that the iPhone has a front facing camera and a LED flash and the iPhone wins by a longshot.
Agreed.
Signal: Captivate The iPhone has much better signal as long as you are holding it right. But the Captivate wins because you don't have that restriction. If your iPhone will live in a case then it is a non-issue.
Software: This is more tricky and it comes down to what you prefer. If you want a really customized experience and enjoy tinkering with the OS, then Android is for you. If you want something that works amazingly at what is does (but can not gain added functionality short of what Apple allows) the go with iOS.
Mostly agree.
Android OS is still very user friendly and is a lot more customizable than ios.
Conclusion: These phones are so evenly spec-ed that it ends up coming down to preference. iOS vs. Android.
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Agreed.
I would love to have either one of these phones right now, but I still prefer the captivate.
In the end it all comes down to personal choice.

Actually the hummingbird has a better GPU than the Apple A4. Here's a good comparison of all the specs: http://briefmobile.com/apple-iphone-4-vs-samsung-galaxy-s
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One random report GUESSES that it's 700 MHz. It's the same CPU. The Galaxy S doesn't run at 1 GHz the whole time either. They both scale. The iPhone COULD have a top limit lower than 1 GHz, but only Apple knows that. Plus that report said "No CDMA support" for WCDMA 1900 MHz, so obviously they don't have a clue what they are talking about.
RAM all the way around goes to iPhone. Being that they can actually use all their RAM now. Also, Berserk87, "true multitasking" would, if anything, mean worse memory usage. If you want to have a comparison of the multitasking, then you could compare the two, but overall memory usage goes to the iPhone for sure.
Also, I don't know how the Captivate could possibly WIN a signal comparison. The iPhone gets better signal, but has an issue (that's easily avoidable). At best it's a tie, but since the iPhone has HSUPA, I'm giving it to the iPhone again. Close enough to throw in signal I think. We won't even go into GPS signal.
Also, don't forget to mention battery life. I know it's still only a week out and I know I'm still playing with mine a lot, but the Captivate battery life has been terrible for me so far.
Now, I've had an iPhone 3G for 2 years, and had the iPhone 4 for a month. I'm not planning on running back anytime soon, but Android is definitely FAR buggier than iOS and definitely still needs some work and polish. The Captivate is certainly not turning into one of the best Android phones either, but hopefully an update will come out soon that will fix all of this. I still prefer my Captivate, but damn if it doesn't annoy the hell out of me sometimes.
Right now I'd suggest the iPhone to anyone who isn't techy or into this kind of thing. For those of us who can look past a few annoyances, Android is FINALLY on AT&T.
If this topic is going to be here, try keep the discussion here rather than other threads. PLEASE try to keep it mature though. Obviously 95% of the people in the Captivate section have a Captivate, so the large majority probably like it more, no need to explain to us how much you hate Apple, just try to compare the two objectively, because to be 100% honest, I think the iPhone 4 is the better phone at the moment, until we get an update to fix some things, and of course 2.2. Once the Captivate has matured and has 2.2 I think it'll be amazing.

Everyone can argue how honest or objective they are being and it is still going to be biased. This should just be closed or deleted.
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johnyhoffman said:
Everyone can argue how honest or objective they are being and it is still going to be biased. This should just be closed or deleted.
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Why? People can discuss the Captivate vs the Nexus, people can discuss the Captivate vs the Evo, but Captivate vs iPhone means people turn into immature morons. If everyone here has a Captivate, then everything is going to be biased towards the Captivate, otherwise they wouldn't have one. All they have to do is be mature about it and discuss the actual differences. Like I said, I even think the iPhone 4 is the better device at the moment, but I prefer the Captivate. Just because you have an Android phone doesn't mean you have to talk **** about Apple all day.

nbs11 said:
Conclusion: These phones are so evenly spec-ed that it ends up coming down to preference. iOS vs. Android.
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Yeah, I agree too. I'm trying to decide which of these 2 phones to get right now. I could probably flip a coin and be happy either way.
But, after a lot of thought, I think I might be happier with the iPhone. I have an iPhone now so I'm already comfortable with the OS. I like how intuitive everything seems (to me, anyway). Plus picture quality is important to me, and there's slightly better pics coming from the iPhone (plus it has a flash, which doesn't hurt).
AJerman said:
...to be 100% honest, I think the iPhone 4 is the better phone at the moment, until we get an update to fix some things...
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AJerman, just for my own peace of mind, could you tell us what things need to be fixed? Thanks!

I am quite offended by the CPU/GPU processor comparison.
When Captivate is compared to other cellphones in the market, it is AT LEAST 3 times the speed of other processors. I do realize that iPhone4 is using a new processor, but guess what? No one has the spec for it yet, it's not a tie, it's unknown.
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My Captivate lags on Robo Defense but....after seeing how buggy and laggy my Nexus was before Froyo......I'm definitely gonna stick it out and wait for fixes and roms to come along. We have top of the line world class hardware, and Froyo and a few tweaked roms will set everything right just like it did on the Nexus.

big99gt said:
...Froyo and a few tweaked roms will set everything right just like it did on the Nexus.
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How long should it take before we see these updates?

Sounds Good said:
AJerman, just for my own peace of mind, could you tell us what things need to be fixed? Thanks!
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Mainly the GPS, that's the big thing. There is also the random lag that people are seeing. LauncherPro helps some, certainly doesn't help all. HSUPA needs to be enabled (assuming the hardware can handle it), and there are random bugs here and there that seem to pop up randomly, but most I don't make note of exactly where. For one, if I go into Market and do Menu->Downloads to see updates, I usually have to press back at least once to get it to load up. Otherwise it sits on loading forever. Also, I've noticed it mainly in my weather apps, but apps that pull data on load seem to take FAR too much time to get their data, and I have no idea why. TWC, WeatherBug, AccuWeather, all of them sit on "Loading data" for 30 seconds and sometimes a lot more when that kind of thing should be almost instant. In fact, I frequently get a message saying the app stopped responding and to force close or wait, right about the time the data loads. Oh, and of course, 2.2 to access the rest of our RAM.
It's not that it would be hard to roll out 2.2 and have almost all of these fixed, it's just that we have to wait and hope that they DO fix them.

Thanks a lot, I appreciate it.

nbs11 said:
Specs
CPU/GPU: Tie Both the A4 and the Hummingbird perform pretty much equally considering they are almost the same thing. Assuming Apple underclocked the iPhone, the Captivate gets a slight advantage.
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Also note, the Captivate runs a newer version of the GPU that both phones run, giving the Captivate a higher clocked CPU and superior GPU.
iPhone 4: PowerVR SGX 535
Captivate: PowerVR SGX540
RAM: Tie They both have 512mb of RAM (although it can't all be used until we get Froyo)
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I would say the iPhone 4 wins until the Captivate can get it's 512MB
Storage Space: Captivate They both have 16gb onboard, but the Captivate is expandable
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Totally agree.
Design: iPhone Antenna issues aside iPhones design is way better.
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This is an opinion, which I say doesn't help a lot to the review of a phone, but I prefer the captivate personally. This isn't something that should weigh against a phone at a technical standpoint unless it removes from the experience - such as the attenuation problem on the iPhone 4
Screen: tie If you like 3.5" screens then the iPhone is the best by far. But I prefer the larger but lower res screen on the Captivate.
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The iPhone wins on resolution. The Captivate wins on everything else.
Resolution:
iPhone 4:960x640
Captivate: 800x480
Winner: iPhone 4
Contrast Ratio
iPhone 4:800:1
Captivate: No backlight
Winner: Captivate
Refresh Rate
iPhone 4:5ms
Captivate: <1 ms
Winner: Captivate
There's other areas, such as battery use, and color, where Super AMOLED also shine, but it's hard to compare battery life on different platforms and color reproduction on the interwebs.
Captivate wins. Resolution is something that AMOLED can catch up with - Contrast Ratio and refresh rate are things LCD will be stuck at their current level in forever.
Camera(s): iPhone Even though they both have 5mp cameras, the iPhone took much better shots. Combine that with the fact that the iPhone has a front facing camera and a LED flash and the iPhone wins by a longshot.
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Agreed... iPhone has flash, definite winner.
Signal: Captivate The iPhone has much better signal as long as you are holding it right. But the Captivate wins because you don't have that restriction. If your iPhone will live in a case then it is a non-issue.
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Agree again.
Software: This is more tricky and it comes down to what you prefer. If you want a really customized experience and enjoy tinkering with the OS, then Android is for you. If you want something that works amazingly at what is does (but can not gain added functionality short of what Apple allows) the go with iOS.
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Agree again. However, Android also does what it's supposed to do amazingly as well.
Conclusion: These phones are so evenly spec-ed that it ends up coming down to preference. iOS vs. Android.
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I would say the SGS/Captivate will have a clear victory in the hardware field once it can utilize it's 512MB of RAM, but hardware doesn't sell a phone alone. If you are a techy looking for a new device and you are unbiased on the OS the SGS should be the obvious buy. If you're not a techy, the iPhone should be the obvious buy.

Guys... is there a Mail program on the Captivate that is similar to the Iphone's Mail?
Email handling is important to me, and one of the things I like most about the iPhone is the way its mail program handles all of my separate POP3 email addresses.
I'm not really a big fan of Gmail, so I'm hoping that's not the only option with the Captivate.

Apple 1984 ad
god i love this damn video

accinfo said:
I am quite offended by the CPU/GPU processor comparison.
When Captivate is compared to other cellphones in the market, it is AT LEAST 3 times the speed of other processors. I do realize that iPhone4 is using a new processor, but guess what? No one has the spec for it yet, it's not a tie, it's unknown.
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I love when people assume what the iPhone has because nobody knows. We don't even know what the 3GS had for certain, it's still speculation. Funny thing is that either way the iPhone will still be much better for gaming for the time being because there are wayy more high quality graphically sophisticated games.

accinfo said:
I am quite offended by the CPU/GPU processor comparison.
When Captivate is compared to other cellphones in the market, it is AT LEAST 3 times the speed of other processors. I do realize that iPhone4 is using a new processor, but guess what? No one has the spec for it yet, it's not a tie, it's unknown.
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I'm quite offended that you don't seem to have all the facts, and claim we're the ones that don't.
The Captivate is not even close to 3 times faster than the speed of other processors. It's benchmarked higher than the Snapdragons, but certainly not 3 times faster. As for the iPhone 4, it IS a tie, because they are 95% or more identical. They were both developed by Intrinsity prior to Apple's purchase of the company entirely. They have minor differences, but for the most part, they are the exact same processor and thus capable of the same speeds. As I mentioned, it's obvious that neither processor spends it's time at 1 GHz speeds. We know the Captivate DOES get up to 1 GHz at least, but the iPhone could have an upper limit on speed, or it could go to 1 GHz as well. Only Apple knows that, but regardless, the Hummingbird and A4 processors are all but identical, and their capabilities are as well.
For some numbers, the Nexus One stock with 2.1 will get around 7 Mflops in Linpack while the stock Captivate with 2.1 gets around 8. Obviously it's hard to compare to the iPhone since there isn't a common platform to test on, but like I said above, it should be almost the same as the Captivate's numbers. Also, these numbers rely heavily on optimizations of the OS, as the 2.2 Nexus One tests show, getting numbers like 37 Mflops, but it's accepted that the numbers can be used as a rough benchmark as long as you use the same version of Android when testing. This is why the Captivate is going to be incredible once 2.2 comes out.

Why sensations scores low, on all benchmarks?

I have viewed a loot of benchmarks [ antutu, quadrant, neocore, an3dbenchxl..etc]
And all of those benchmarks the sensation scores are low...
Lower than LGo2X, and similar to a O/C DesireHD...
Is that Normal? THis QSD 8260 it's suposed to be a beast, and the same with the adreno 220... but i can't se the beast.... ( maybe need optimization? )
Ideas?

Idk but its kind of bothering me. I bought this phone on day one thinking it would have the speed of the g2x without the hardware problems, but I really think Sense 3.0 is hindering the performance. Can't wait to get a Rom on here to speed things up :/
On WiFi I can only get 10k down, and 2k up. Lame.
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mpow57 said:
Idk but its kind of bothering me. I bought this phone on day one thinking it would have the speed of the g2x without the hardware problems, but I really think Sense 3.0 is hindering the performance. Can't wait to get a Rom on here to speed things up :/
On WiFi I can only get 10k down, and 2k up. Lame.
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well to me, Sense is working bad... isn't fluid and now i'm with GO Launcher EX wich is more fast and fluid than sense....
Ah, with some games, sometimes lags, and i think it's sense.
we need to wait right now.

sense it only a small part of the problem...
2.3.3 isnt really optomized for our hardware, not to mention that almost ALL benchmark software doesnt fully support our SoC chipset
when we get S-OFF and clean/scrubbed roms, we will be pulling real capabilities from benchmark software, especially with 2.3.4 and 2.4 when available

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sense it only a small part of the problem...
2.3.3 isnt really optomized for our hardware, not to mention that almost ALL benchmark software doesnt fully support our SoC chipset
when we get S-OFF and clean/scrubbed roms, we will be pulling real capabilities from benchmark software, especially with 2.3.4 and 2.4 when available
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i hope that so....
How about overheatings, and extremly battery drainages? this will be improved to?
I think, adreno220 is more powerfull and newer than Mali400M, and QSD8260 par with Exynos.
So i think, when this phone becomes S-OFF and gets better roms, will beat, or close to the SGSII.

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I think, adreno220 is more powerfull and newer than Mali400M, and QSD8260 par with Exynos.
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this is quite true, but the QSD8260 has a couple more features than the exynos, not to mention single core voltage optimization, where as the SGS2 runs both cores at single voltage...
as for the overheating, at first it will irk you, but it never gets too hot, and considering the hardware in this thing, and its thickness, its to be expected
and as for the battery drain, you can thank the carriers for that bull****, after running temp root and disabling a whole whack of useless apps, i have around 250mb ram constantly, and i got roughly 6-8 extra hrs of battery life

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this is quite true, but the QSD8260 has a couple more features than the exynos, not to mention single core voltage optimization, where as the SGS2 runs both cores at single voltage...
as for the overheating, at first it will irk you, but it never gets too hot, and considering the hardware in this thing, and its thickness, its to be expected
and as for the battery drain, you can thank the carriers for that bull****, after running temp root and disabling a whole whack of useless apps, i have around 250mb ram constantly, and i got roughly 6-8 extra hrs of battery life
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That is true, the QSD8260 have that feature ( and other new features ), it's good! but Galaxy SII doesnt overheat like sensation.
Maybe my rom from vodafone is fulll of **** ( Sense 3.0 isn't fluid on mine... and is **** compared to another alternative launcher for now... )
About temporal root, is a ****!! we need a full root.
I'm working on HTCCamera.apk ( in part thanks to potato, helped me with indications )
TO get better and decent image/video quality, when the phone becomes full rooted, surely i will release it, and i hope will work very well, but i can't test it because i don't have root.

i agree full root is NECESSARY for anything to be done on this fone, fre3vo reminds me the the HEN hacks for psp back in the day
as for teh htccamer.apk, good on ya! there are some issues with it, my biggest being focus on really close ups

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That is true, the QSD8260 have that feature ( and other new features ), it's good! but Galaxy SII doesnt overheat like sensation.
Maybe my rom from vodafone is fulll of **** ( Sense 3.0 isn't fluid on mine... and is **** compared to another alternative launcher for now... )
About temporal root, is a ****!! we need a full root.
I'm working on HTCCamera.apk ( in part thanks to potato, helped me with indications )
TO get better and decent image/video quality, when the phone becomes full rooted, surely i will release it, and i hope will work very well, but i can't test it because i don't have root.
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Temp root is just a step on the way to full root, it's not like the devs got it temp rooted and said "well ****, I'm glad we got that done, let's move on to the next phone!" I'm sure they put in a lot of hours just to get this far already and are putting in a lot more to get full root, so saying that temp root is **** is pretty ****ed up and disrespectful to all the devs that are working hard to give YOU and all the other ungrateful bastards full root.
Sorry for going off a little there, just frustrating to see people act like nothing is being done and belittling big accomplishments on the path to the final goal.

i agree, its more of a PoC/dev tool than something for average users to use, epecially for setting up androidSDK
superoneclick is nice, but you dont learn anything about how/why its working, and if you dont want to know that stuff, why would you need root in the first place?

6-8 hours battery? wow. I go from 7 am till 7 pm and have 30ish% left almost every day. I came from an EVO 4g which required battery changes twice a day sometimes. i had batteries charging everywhere. I expected the same or worse from the sensation but am proud to be wrong. I have 4 extra batteries for this and an extra charger at home and work, only needed to swap a couple of times in over a month. I wasted money on sensation batteries.. Strange how some have so many battery troubles with this phone and i have had great results with 2 sensations. 250% better than my EVO 4g. After root and custom kernels and roms i may get 2 days use out of this bad boy.. Just hope they can get the other issues straightened out (touch screen issues, which is actually working great right now) so i can really enjoy this thing!

Benchmarks are over rated and not on mobile phone and very inconsistent,my evo 3d and sentation scores the same on quadrant my highest score on shi**y qaudrant is 2450. If I totally relied on benches is wait and get a SG2, but I don't. Like others have said sense 3.0 weights heavily on CPU. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Touchwiz is a very light ui compared to sense. I'm happy with it in real world use.
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@nugzo
i get 6-8hrs more on top of my regular 8-10 hrs, but mind you i use A LOT of data on my phone, and always listening to music...
so realistically, i could get much more out of it, but considering i had the same issue with my HD2 that you had with your EVO, its a world of difference
EDIT: also, nugzo, apparently the latest OTA fixes the touchscreen and GPS problems, if they do happen to you...

Sensation - 'poor' performance
The MAIN reason why the HTC Sensation has lower benchmark scores than other phones in this class is that it has to push 33% more pixels ! It`s screen has a 960x540 resolution; the GS2 for example only pushes 800x480 pixels !

@razvan
another excellent point, i keep forgetting that, qHD is now "normal" for me that it slips my mind

they are low cuz its slow...
mpow57 said:
Idk but its kind of bothering me. I bought this phone on day one thinking it would have the speed of the g2x without the hardware problems, but I really think Sense 3.0 is hindering the performance. Can't wait to get a Rom on here to speed things up :/
On WiFi I can only get 10k down, and 2k up. Lame.
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the funny thing is I kept reading that the quadrant and benchmark apps were not optimized for the sensation. How you have to factor in pixel compression and other things to explain the low scores. After having the phone for almost two weeks, and playing with the Evo 3D - the phone is average to slow (for my expectation) for a dual core device. The scores are consistently low for a reason.
The benchmark apps might not be "optimized" but gx2, gs2 and evo 3d users testify to the speed of their devices. I have seen it up close too. Lag AND my phone crashed last night, unexpectedly, and the tell htc prompt came up. what the hell??
I am keeping the phone, but I am not an apologist. The sensation is lacking (to me) and I should not have to wait for root for me to feel like my phone competes with other phones in its class - speed wise.

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another excellent point, i keep forgetting that, qHD is now "normal" for me that it slips my mind
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I see that you are with wind. I am planning to switch to wind when my contract expires i august. just want to know how the signal is with wind mobile compared to rogers?

Sensation only uses one core for the current benchmarks while the other run apps in the background. Use cf-bench for real duel core benchmark.
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tomeu0000 said:
i hope that so....
How about overheatings, and extremly battery drainages? this will be improved to?
I think, adreno220 is more powerfull and newer than Mali400M, and QSD8260 par with Exynos.
So i think, when this phone becomes S-OFF and gets better roms, will beat, or close to the SGSII.
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I have both the SGS2 and HTC Sensation.
One thing I know is that the CPU on the SGS2 is alot better than the QSD8260. The reason is due to different architecture Cortex A8 vs Cortex A9. Also my evidence is from Smartbenchmark2011. SGS2 scores around 3.8k and the Sensation around 2.5k which isn't bad and the screen QHD doesn't lower the benchmark for CPU.
I don't how you guys got Adreno 220 to better than Mali 400MP ?
SGX543MP4 > SGX543MP2 & Mali 400MP > Tegra & Adreno 220 & SGX540 (Although Tegra maybe abit better than both)
The reason why Adreno 220 is on per with Tegra is quadrant 2D and 3D benchmarks. The framerate on the Atrix 4G and the Sensation is about equal and they both use qHD. Which in theory means that the LG Optimus 2X framerate can be said as equal to an Adreno 220 at 800x480 resolution.
Although on Smartbenchmark2011 the Atrix scores alot higher GPU than the Adreno 220.
All these are based on my phone benchmark scores as well as other people posted on youtube to backup.

so nobody with a s-off sensation has loaded a rom on it yet and run a benchmark?

[Q] What should I be excited about in my next Nexus device?

I've had my Nexus S since official launch day in late 2010. I still love it. I've been mildly tempted to replace it with the Galaxy Nexus a few times.
I'm somewhere in the middle between amateur and power-user. I enjoy rooting my device and installing custom roms, but I don't go beyond that. Also, once I find a rom that works well for me, I generally keep it for several months or more.
I'm trying to figure out what is potentially on the horizon that I should find exciting in the mobile device world - any thoughts? I'm asking more about things that actually improve my daily use of the phone. Right now, I have email and calendar push-sync (important for work), fast web browsing pretty much anywhere I go (typically getting 3-6Mbps anywhere I am), and can easily stream movies and music. What could I ask for that would actually improve my phone experience?
1. Bigger screen - obviously has its ups and downs - for me wouldn't make any positive impact.
2. Higher resolution - this is cool, and was one of the main reasons I was tempted by Galaxy Nexus, but again, wouldn't actually make any difference to me. I don't have any interest in gaming on my phone, beyond Angry Birds or Cut the Rope-type games.
3. Better camera - always nice, but for my use, the camera on Nexus S is more than adequate.
4. Faster data speeds - wouldn't help me at all. As long as I can stream TV and movies (which I already can), I have no need for anything faster, particularly if batter life is impacted.
5. Updated OS - this is probably what would tempt me most, due to my incessant need to always run the newest software available. Not sure what actual improvements it will have, though...
I guess my point is, I look at the latest and greatest devices out there (GS3, OneX, etc.), and I think to myself, "If I had that device, what benefits would I have compared to my Nexus S". And honestly, I can't think of a single one.
Any thoughts!
Thanks!

I think almost the same as you. Thinking about change my Nexus S, but it make almost everything I need already. If I change, it's only too see something new, hehe.

I think part of this speaks to how great the Nexus S is. In nearly 18 months of bigger screens, dual-core and quad-core, higher resolution, bigger batteries, LTE, etc., I've barely even been tempted to switch. I think that Google pushing out ICS to the Nexus S so early was a huge "lift" to my deciding to hang onto it for so long.

The nexus S has a more compact design and better audio both from speaker and headphones. The camera isnt better on the galaxy nexus, only video recording is. The screen is higher resolution but has so many horror stories about it. I personally didnt like the colors that much on the galaxy nexus especially the whites which were the worst I have ever seen on an AMOLED screen. But apparently there are good and bad screens of galaxy nexus so maybe I saw the bad one.
The most tempting thing for me is dual core CPU and 1GB ram, 2 areas where the nexus S is notably behind now and it really does enhance smartphone experience to have dual core CPU and more ram. And obviously it will get updates faster in the future provided the nexus S gets anything at all which it may not after 4.0.4.
The galaxy nexus also looks so damn epic, one of the best looking android phones for sure. And textured plastic back >>> glossy plastic anyday.
The disappointing parts of the galaxy nexus for me are,
- screen is not as good as reviews would have you believe
- speaker sound is disastrous
- Not much of an upgrade in GPU from nexus S, just higher clocks
- too big
I suppose since you are an i9020 owner it would be easier for you to switch to galaxy nexus since you are used to SAMOLED screens. I have an i9023 and just love the SC-LCD on it, the galaxy nexus screen seems like too many compromises for those infinite blacks.

same dilemma
Same issue as me, not sure whether I should upgrade or not. I've always been a "nexus behind" in that I held onto the N1 when the NS came out and only bought the NS when the GN came out. It's been cheaper for me since I had to pinch money in college.
Now that I have a job and income, I'm really tempted to finally catch up and buy the GN even though I'm extremely satisfied with my NS...

Gambler_3 said:
The most tempting thing for me is dual core CPU and 1GB ram, 2 areas where the nexus S is notably behind now and it really does enhance smartphone experience to have dual core CPU and more ram. And obviously it will get updates faster in the future provided the nexus S gets anything at all which it may not after 4.0.4.
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For "daily driving" of web browsing/email/calendar/movies/music, how does dual core CPU and more RAM make a difference? Maybe faster app switching, smoother OS performance?

ddb540 said:
For "daily driving" of web browsing/email/calendar/movies/music, how does dual core CPU and more RAM make a difference? Maybe faster app switching, smoother OS performance?
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Web browsing can max up nexus S ram pretty quickly which causes lag and launcher redraw on exit. Web browsing is perhaps the biggest advantage of dual core and 1GB ram especially if you like to use desktop versions.
There can be serious lag in doing anything when an app is being updated in the background I had to turn off automatic update for that and I think the single core CPU might be to blame for that.
With more ram you can run more third party apps that have background services. The ram is perhaps the biggest limitation of nexus S. It's almost impossible to play games smoothly when you are online on skype because it eats so much ram.
And lastly there are a few games now which lag on nexus S and I believe again the ram or CPU are to blame for that as we have very good GPU for our resolution.
But when it comes to screen and sound, nexus still holds its own against the new phones and provides a very satisfying multimedia experience.
I am personally still thoroughly satisfied with nexus S overall and will wait for the next nexus phone(or series of phones) to come.

happy with my nexus s, but if I had the chance and was able to afford it, I'd ditch it for the GS3 any day
why i want to upgrade:
1. more RAM, power.
---------- DEFINITELY something I found myself always wanting while watching videos on the browser.
---------- Annoying waiting for important apps such as dialer/camera to load up.
2. larger, hd screen. (especially for watching videos; something i do often)
3. camera

I also just wait for next nexus this december..
Buying galaxy nexus seem not worth it for me..
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I agree about waiting on the next Nexus release. I really like my NS still and I skipped out on the Galaxy Nexus. Now that we know a SERIES of Nexus's ( :what: ) are coming I'm definitely holding out. The S3 sounds great but the new Nexus line may out shine that later this year.
Sent from my Nexus S using xda premium

I'd have to agree with everyone about the NS shortcomings when compared to today's phones. To add to the list is the internal sdcard. I will NEVER get another phone without a removable sdcard. 16GB is just not enough.
Unfortunately, my NS is also sensitive to overclocking and crashes often even with raised voltage. Anyway, it's still a good phone holding it's own for 18mos.
PS: i, too, will wait for the next Nexus.
Sent from my Crespo using xda premium

I would also say ram and cpu are pretty big improvements.. Although I'm waiting for the next nexus as well. It's only a few months away and it's gonna blow the gnex out of the water for sure.
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA

Gambler_3 said:
Web browsing can max up nexus S ram pretty quickly which causes lag and launcher redraw on exit. Web browsing is perhaps the biggest advantage of dual core and 1GB ram especially if you like to use desktop versions.
There can be serious lag in doing anything when an app is being updated in the background I had to turn off automatic update for that and I think the single core CPU might be to blame for that.
With more ram you can run more third party apps that have background services. The ram is perhaps the biggest limitation of nexus S. It's almost impossible to play games smoothly when you are online on skype because it eats so much ram.
And lastly there are a few games now which lag on nexus S and I believe again the ram or CPU are to blame for that as we have very good GPU for our resolution.
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Good explanation, thanks! Glad to hear that the RAM and CPU improvements will make a nice difference in my next device, even for daily tasks.

LordPhong said:
To add to the list is the internal sdcard. I will NEVER get another phone without a removable sdcard. 16GB is just not enough.
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What do you use to fill all this storage? I used to hold music on my phone and quickly maxed out the 16GB limit, but Google Music has completely obviated my need to hold files locally.

ddb540 said:
What do you use to fill all this storage? I used to hold music on my phone and quickly maxed out the 16GB limit, but Google Music has completely obviated my need to hold files locally.
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Some people aren't lucky enough to have multi-GB or unlimited data plans, let alone decent service to begin with. I'm also weary of sound quality with many online services too - i know what's going on with my own files.

al_madd said:
I also just wait for next nexus this december..
Buying galaxy nexus seem not worth it for me..
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Couldnt agree more with this.
I think it would be wiser if waiting for the next nexus
Gnex is good but is not good enough

For some reason I've never actually been attracted to the thought of replacing my NS with GN. I'm happy with my NS and recently, I've been tempted to get the SGS3. I've been tempted but my NS does everything I need and well, I think I'll wait till the next Nexus device shows up. Long live NS!

HTC M4(News updated on #55) finally leaked news!

News updated on #55
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_readying_720p_jb_m4_and_budget_ics_g2_for_spring-news-5462.php
4.3" 720P
2GB ram
1.2G S4 CPU(lol?)
16GB rom(still...)
13M cam f/2.0(same as M7)
720p front cam
LTE
1700mAH battery
Sense 5.0 on JB4.2
The CPU is same as One SV(down-clocked S4) but I doubt it very much because it would not make any existing One S customer to upgrade. So, I think the CPU should at least stay the same with One S(1.5G) or little faster(like 1.7G).
I think the LCD should change to SLCD2 this time instead of AMOLED Plus like One SV(4.3" SLCD2). I actually quite like AMOLED on phone because of perfect black but SLCD2(IPS) has better viewing experiences under sunlight which is more important to me. At the end, I don't care if it's still AMOLED or IPS, they both have pros and cons.
I have a high chance to get M4 because I don't want any size larger than 4.3". However, my One S is still lovely and used only 8 months.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony-C5303-HuaShan-midranger-smiles-for-the-camera_id39165
I may wait Sony and see, they are also going to out 4.0" ~ 4.3" 720P LTE with ExmorRS, Qualcomm MSM8960T Dual 1.7GHz with Adreno 320 GPU(I think M4 will use 8960T). Model name: C5302, C5303, C5306 (Code name:HuaShan).

TheEndHK said:
4.3" 720P
2GB ram
1.2G S4 CPU(lol?)
16GB rom(still...)
The CPU is same as One SV(down-clocked S4) but I doubt it very much because it would not make any existing One S customer to upgrade. So, I think the CPU should at least stay the same with One S(1.5G) or little faster(like 1.7G).
I think the LCD should change to SLCD2 this time instead of AMOLED Plus like One SV(4.3" SLCD2). I actually quite like AMOLED on phone because of perfect black but SLCD2(IPS) has better viewing experiences under sunlight which is more important to me. At the end, I don't care if it's still AMOLED or IPS, they both have pros and cons.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony-C5303-HuaShan-midranger-smiles-for-the-camera_id39165
I may wait Sony and see, they are also going to out 4.0" ~ 4.3" 720P LTE with ExmorRS, Qualcomm MSM8960T Dual 1.7GHz with Adreno 320 GPU(I think M4 will use 8960T). Model name: C5302, C5303, C5306 (Code name:HuaShan).
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Well I actually lover the cpu choice. Everything runs smooth on this cpu, and with a less heavy skinned Jb (sense 5) this will only improve. Every singel game runs brilliant. I don't think you will notice its downclocked on sense 5 and will bring a lot better battery life I gues.
The display in the one S is great. But when I hold it next to the One X or the SGIII or even the xperia T it really looks dreadfull. The colors and brightness seems fine but compared to these crisp screens it really falls out of the boat.
I'm wondering what the impact will be of a higher res lcd display on the 1.2ghz S4 though.
There are some Sony alternatives. Something I really like about those phones is the waterproof ones. But than again the Sony skin on these phones are just lame. All that grey bled stuff makes it really boring (and ugly), a funeral looks more cheerfull than that.
As I'm looking to replace my One S in march, my preference will still be the Xiaom MI-2.
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And I cant edit my post because my post is to short (less than 2 characters) which its obviously not... So umh.. Yes the S4 Pro quad core is a lot more powerful without sacrificing a lot of battery, but comes with a price tag. And I think this phone will be launched as a sub-high-end alternative for the M7 (like the One S was with the one X).

Vauix said:
Well I actually lover the cpu choice. Everything runs smooth on this cpu, and with a less heavy skinned Jb (sense 5) this will only improve. Every singel game runs brilliant. I don't think you will notice its downclocked on sense 5 and will bring a lot better battery life I gues.
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You can trick the Power Saving on in JB, it will limit both cores to 1134mhz max on One S to save battery.
yup, I spoke many times in this broad 720P is a lot better(I was own a Xperia S and that is only a suck TFT mon, not IPS). QHD resolution is really not enough for text reading though. 720P does drains more cpu power over QHD because more pixels to render on screen so it's questionable to make cpu slower while the device actually needs more cpu.
All 1080P devices go with quad-core because they need even more cpu power to render extra pixels. 8960T is just a dual core ver of 1.7G S4 but with a upgraded GPU(Adreno 320).

HTC is really slipping. Three is nothing good about this device. The one thing I hated most about this phone is the terrible memory and HTC made the same mistake again... Better off with the Samsung galaxy s4 or the next nexus device. I strongly recommend skipping any HTC device for a long time.
This is NOT an upgrade to the One S, it's a sad excuse.

Closed Source Project said:
HTC is really slipping. Three is nothing good about this device. The one thing I hated most about this phone is the terrible memory and HTC made the same mistake again... Better off with the Samsung galaxy s4 or the next nexus device. I strongly recommend skipping any HTC device for a long time.
This is NOT an upgrade to the One S, it's a sad excuse.
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Everyone has right on his own opinion, but I completely disagree with you with everything you just said.
I actually LOVE this device! the only thing i would change was the display. It shows quality all around. Incredible sound quality for both headphone and speaker, a slick (aluminum) design, great performance (was the best of its time) and a really really great camera. And although you can't fully unlock it and they released only a partial sourcecode doesn't mean its instantly trash.
Every single thing on the M4 is an upgrade for the One S, besides the CPU. And quite frankly I really don't see the use for a quadcore in a 4.3 inch phone with android 4.2. As the one S proved JB is buttery smooth on this chipset. Yes the IPS display will but its tax on the CPU, but with a lighter (and a lot lighter by the looks of the leaks) sense running on 4.2, I highly doubt you will notice it.
And yes I love the idea of the nexus serie and love the looks of stock android. But I never ever want it as a daily driver. It's just to formal and vannila for my taste. In the Gingerbread and ICS days i would have loved it because it was so much smoother than skinned phones. But JB brought a lot of chance in that, and the phone manufactures really stepped up there game with software development and drivers. Therefor a Nexus phone doesn't have any appeal for me AT ALL.

Re: HTC M4(One S upgrade) finally leaked news!
Great! When this phone comes out, one s prices will drop!
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The specs looks quite ok... But wtf? 1.2Ghz cpu speed? WHY!? Ive downclocked my S to 1.2Ghz a few times to save battery, and the difference is very noticable in speed. The battery I save I lose right away when having to wait extra long for something to finish loading.

Goatshocker said:
The specs looks quite ok... But wtf? 1.2Ghz cpu speed? WHY!? Ive downclocked my S to 1.2Ghz a few times to save battery, and the difference is very noticable in speed. The battery I save I lose right away when having to wait extra long for something to finish loading.
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Since every other mid-range phone is running S4 1.5G now, I don't think HTC will use 1.2G on their 2013 new phone. Sony's up coming mid-range will use MSM8960T 1.7G dual, I think HTC will just follow Sony.

Vauix said:
Everyone has right on his own opinion, but I completely disagree with you with everything you just said.
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Hey, sorry to forget mention about Xiaom MI-2. We have many chances to use China smartphone/tablet here in Hong Kong. I've to say it depends on your usage.
They are general powerful on hardware and cheap at price because they cut the cost from software development. You have no chance to get a stock rom close to the HTC/Samsung/Sony level, don't even to think get as many updates as HTC. So, the performance totally depends by custom roms and flash rom is almost a necessary on China stuffs. I see Xiaom MI-2 got a dev broad on XDA now.
If you are going to use it with only some general apps and not a heavy usage user, the stock rom may works fine and China stuffs almost never come with google playstore and map and others google apps, you have to get root access and install them by yourself. Not sure about Xiaom MI-2.

AW: HTC M4(One S upgrade) finally leaked news!
I think apart from the weak cpu clockspeed(hopefully they will change to something like 1.5-1.7ghz), this phone is nice. But I think I am gonna keep my one S for this year and afterwards there will be new phones as well, so no need to buy one. One S is still just fine for everything.
Sent from my HTC One S using xda app-developers app

TheEndHK said:
Hey, sorry to forget mention about Xiaom MI-2. We have many chances to use China smartphone/tablet here in Hong Kong. I've to say it depends on your usage.
They are general powerful on hardware and cheap at price because they cut the cost from software development. You have no chance to get a stock rom close to the HTC/Samsung/Sony level, don't even to think get as many updates as HTC. So, the performance totally depends by custom roms and flash rom is almost a necessary on China stuffs. I see Xiaom MI-2 got a dev broad on XDA now.
If you are going to use it with only some general apps and not a heavy usage user, the stock rom may works fine and China stuffs almost never come with google playstore and map and others google apps, you have to get root access and install them by yourself. Not sure about Xiaom MI-2.
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Thanks for your insight. But I think the MI-2 is worth another look. It's roots in rom development (the famous MIUI rom's) which are so succesfull they started building phones there self. I actually love the software and see more future in than in sense or touchwiz UX. They have monthly updates which are based on the miui community and by the looks of the reviews and benchmarks the firmware seems very optimized (all most the speed of the nexus 4, better audio quality than most high end phones, and photo quality is on par with the iphone and sony/samsung devices).
Many people view this phone as another cheap china phone, but I think it deserves a lot more credit than that. There are reports Xiaomi will bring the MI-2 to the US market this year, and is getting a lot of support all round (did i mention Qualcomm is one of the biggest investors?).
I don't want to sounds like this is the best phone on the market or that I'm completely sure I'm going to get one, i just want to raise it out of the budget phone segment.

HTC One S is ok for the average joe but if you want to...
i have an un branded HTC ONE S, which has been good to me in terms of using custom roms/kernels without too much hassle.
rooting on the other hand was bit of a nightmare, but that was due to me not reading all that i could before i tried, which leads me to the pain in the a** S-ON and having to flash boot kernels/recoveries with ADB (which is no longer a problem with FLASH IMAGE GUI supporting our device)
also the16gb rom is a bit low...would like to have the ability to upgrade to 32
i really dont see too much of an upgrade for our device , the HTC One S is ok for the average joe but if you want to root and mess round with custom roms and kernels, choose another device to upgrade to

This is so annoying. Still using 16 GB of internal memory, and now with 13mp camera (useless) so we can only fit 10 pictures.
Also, I guarantee this is gonna be S4 Plus (not Pro) and therefore it will have the Adreno 305 GPU. The old S4 Plus which the One S has, contains an Adreno 225, which is actually a lot faster than the 305.
So take a slower GPU and pair it with a 720p screen (instead of our 540p), take away some CPU performance as well, and what do you get?
And a 13 mp camera, seriously, I thought the "megapixel race" ended ages ago. How many people actually print out billboards from pictures taken on your phone? Just focus on lens quality and aperture, leave the megapixels at 8. Hell, even 5 is more than enough, I never take pictures at more than 2 mp myself.
HTC is digging its own grave.

djsubtronic said:
This is so annoying. Still using 16 GB of internal memory, and now with 13mp camera (useless) so we can only fit 10 pictures.
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Lol, bit of an exaggeration there.......
I have had over a 1000 photos (including lots of 1080P and slow motion footage) on my S and still had 5GB left. I don't store any music on my phone so 16GB is more than enough for me and is for many others, nexus 4 16 and 8GB models as well as iphones etc. sell well enough so the ones who want 32GB+ internal and/or a SD slot are in a small minority.
Also, we have no idea yet as to what the camera lens etc. is not to mention software/driver tweaks/optimisation, so how can you judge the camera when the phone specs etc. haven't even been confirmed
Regarding the M7 camera;
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-m7-rumored-carry-43-ultrapixel-camera
So it could be the same for the M4, just the way the camera on the X and S are the same.

HTC obviously has got everything wrong if they expect people to NOT store music on a "beats" branded phone.

djsubtronic said:
This is so annoying. Still using 16 GB of internal memory, and now with 13mp camera (useless) so we can only fit 10 pictures.
Also, I guarantee this is gonna be S4 Plus (not Pro) and therefore it will have the Adreno 305 GPU. The old S4 Plus which the One S has, contains an Adreno 225, which is actually a lot faster than the 305.
So take a slower GPU and pair it with a 720p screen (instead of our 540p), take away some CPU performance as well, and what do you get?
And a 13 mp camera, seriously, I thought the "megapixel race" ended ages ago. How many people actually print out billboards from pictures taken on your phone? Just focus on lens quality and aperture, leave the megapixels at 8. Hell, even 5 is more than enough, I never take pictures at more than 2 mp myself.
HTC is digging its own grave.
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yup, both CPU/GPU will be slower than One S if it is real using the Qualcomm S4 Plus MSM8930 Dual 1.2G but I doubt that because it will happen the case on One S(S3) again, a great smartphone with slower cpu and terrible sales result.
The M7/M4 will both likely using the technology similar to Foveon X3 RGB 3CMOS on DSLR. It means 3 x 4.3M CMOS combined together to output a 13M photo, you get perfect color and white balance reproduction this time. However, low light and high ISO might be even worse because three CMOS there to share the aperture now, the photo should be darker and more noises appear.
It is absolutely a killer to Nokia Pureview808 and the upcoming Nokia Lumia 950(WP8 with Pureview808) in summer but might not be on the same boat with original One X/S and Nokia 920 which targeted at low lighting environment. I'll see how M7/M4 to handle low light with this new 3CMOS because low light is more important to me.

Re: HTC M4(One S upgrade) finally leaked news!
If you care about low light that mufh, why don't get a dslr?
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gock said:
If you care about low light that mufh, why don't get a dslr?
Sent from my One S using xda premium
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Because often when one is in low light conditions and wants to take pictures, they don't usually have their hefty DSLR kit with them. People only carry that stuff around when it's planned. If you go out for some drinks in the evening and want to take some pictures, the One S works wonders, and hence I actually really appreciate its ability to take decent pics in those scenarios without a flash.
Looks like I'll either be skipping an upgrade this year and stick with the One S, or sadly move to a different brand. Unless the M4 turns out to be different.

Re: HTC M4(One S upgrade) finally leaked news!
Vauix said:
Well I actually lover the cpu choice. Everything runs smooth on this cpu, and with a less heavy skinned Jb (sense 5) this will only improve. Every singel game runs brilliant. I don't think you will notice its downclocked on sense 5 and will bring a lot better battery life I gues.
The display in the one S is great. But when I hold it next to the One X or the SGIII or even the xperia T it really looks dreadfull. The colors and brightness seems fine but compared to these crisp screens it really falls out of the boat.
I'm wondering what the impact will be of a higher res lcd display on the 1.2ghz S4 though.
There are some Sony alternatives. Something I really like about those phones is the waterproof ones. But than again the Sony skin on these phones are just lame. All that grey bled stuff makes it really boring (and ugly), a funeral looks more cheerfull than that.
As I'm looking to replace my One S in march, my preference will still be the Xiaom MI-2.
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And I cant edit my post because my post is to short (less than 2 characters) which its obviously not... So umh.. Yes the S4 Pro quad core is a lot more powerful without sacrificing a lot of battery, but comes with a price tag. And I think this phone will be launched as a sub-high-end alternative for the M7 (like the One S was with the one X).
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Yes, and the lower processing speed will in fact increase the battery life too...
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Here are some photos of the M4:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_m4_appears_in_front_of_the_camera_for_the_first_time-news-5498.php
The M7 specs/design has been confirmed:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_m7_to_launch_on_march_8_in_france_priced_at_650-news-5496.php
The listing also confirms the specifications of HTC M7 to sport a 4.7" Full HD display, 1.7 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon quad-core processor along with 2GB RAM, 32 GB internal memory with microSD support, 4G, NFC, Android Jelly Bean and 2,300mAh battery
Furthermore, HTC M7 will be using a 13-megapixel camera with stacked sensor and ultrapixels for the first time and it will be interesting to see how the camera performs. M7 is also confirmed to feature the latest HTC 5.0 sense and Double HP techno Beats Audio.
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I imagine the black M7 will be similar to the black m4. M4 looks quite curvy/ergonomic and a bit thick so it looks like it will feel comfortable/nice in the hand.
By the looks of it, the speakers are on the front of the M7 too Also I am glad that they aren't going any bigger than 4.7".

Confuse between LG G2 and Nexus 5

I cannot decide between two latest LG phones. I currently own a note 2 and i am looking a phone with big nice screen but at the same time pocket/hand freindly nature
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Nexus 5 Screen : True HD IPS Plus 4.95 inches (~445 ppi pixel density)
LG G2 Screen: True HD-IPS LCD 5.2 inches (~424 ppi pixel density)
Nexus 5 Camera: 8 MP , 3264 x 2448 pixels, autofocus, optical image stabilization,HDR+, LED flash,video recording [email protected], 1.3 MP front facing camera
LG G2 camera: 13 MP, autofocus, optical image stabilization, LED flash, [email protected] video recording, HDR, stereo sound rec., video stabilization, 2.1 MP front facing camera with [email protected]
LG Android OS, v4.2.2 (Jelly Bean), Nexus ANdroid version: 4.4
Chipset, RAM and memory option is same
CPU/GPU of LG g2: Quad-core 2.26 GHz Krait 400, Adreno 330
CPU/GPU of Nexus 5: Quad-core 2.3 GHz Krait 400,Adreno 330
Battery of LG G2: Non-removable Li-Po 3000 mAh battery
Battery of Nexus 5: Non-removable Li-Po 2300 mAh battery
It seem the only advantage of N5 over G2 is latest android version plus nice build quality or design while LG g2 has better camera, slightly bigger screen and better battery life. If price is same then what i should go for ?
Thank you

Rajaasim1980 said:
I cannot decide between two latest LG phones. I currently own a note 2 and i am looking a phone with big nice screen but at the same time pocket/hand freindly nature
Nexus 5 Screen : True HD IPS Plus 4.95 inches (~445 ppi pixel density)
LG G2 Screen: True HD-IPS LCD 5.2 inches (~424 ppi pixel density)
Nexus 5 Camera: 8 MP , 3264 x 2448 pixels, autofocus, optical image stabilization,HDR+, LED flash,video recording [email protected], 1.3 MP front facing camera
LG G2 camera: 13 MP, autofocus, optical image stabilization, LED flash, [email protected] video recording, HDR, stereo sound rec., video stabilization, 2.1 MP front facing camera with [email protected]
LG Android OS, v4.2.2 (Jelly Bean), Nexus ANdroid version: 4.4
Chipset, RAM and memory option is same
CPU/GPU of LG g2: Quad-core 2.26 GHz Krait 400, Adreno 330
CPU/GPU of Nexus 5: Quad-core 2.3 GHz Krait 400,Adreno 330
Battery of LG G2: Non-removable Li-Po 3000 mAh battery
Battery of Nexus 5: Non-removable Li-Po 2300 mAh battery
It seem the only advantage of N5 over G2 is latest android version plus nice build quality or design while LG g2 has better camera, slightly bigger screen and better battery life. If price is same then what i should go for ?
Thank you
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The Nexus 5 is a slightly stripped down G2. So if price is the same, go for the G2..unless you must have pure Android.
I had a G2 for about a month, it was a great phone and the LG UI wasn't bad at all, I liked it better than TouchWiz and Sense.
Only reason I returned it was it had some major thermal throttling issues for me, couldn't play a graphic intensive game for more than 15-20 minutes before framerates starts dropping by half or more. Also the speaker on it was horrendous, almost comical how bad it was. Battery life was awesome but I attribute that to the specialty GRAM that it had (which the Nexus 5 doesn't) and also the big 3000mAh battery. So yeah, if you can get a G2 for the same price, it's a better spec'd device.

Dan37tz said:
The Nexus 5 is a slightly stripped down G2. So if price is the same, go for the G2..unless you must have pure Android.
I had a G2 for about a month, it was a great phone and the LG UI wasn't bad at all, I liked it better than TouchWiz and Sense.
Only reason I returned it was it had some major thermal throttling issues for me, couldn't play a graphic intensive game for more than 15-20 minutes before framerates starts dropping by half or more. Also the speaker on it was horrendous, almost comical how bad it was. Battery life was awesome but I attribute that to the specialty GRAM that it had (which the Nexus 5 doesn't) and also the big 3000mAh battery. So yeah, if you can get a G2 for the same price, it's a better spec'd device.
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Thanks for reply. May be your specific model was faulty if you had heat issues while playing games more than 20 minutes. These boht phones were built by LG so there should not be any quality difference..
I dont get this pure android thing. Can not we get same pure Google experience in Lg g2 by rooting and installing any custom AOSP/CM/AOKP ROM?
I have heard android 4.4 is more power efficient(less process and background services eating juice) than previous jelly bean versions so would it make any difference? Its strange how iphones give better battery life even when its only 1600mAh. Google should think about it. Either removable battery or non removable battery with at least 7-8 hours screen on time as we see in note series
I am actually getting Lg g2 cheaper on contract phones..Lg g2 is 26 pounds per month while nexus 5 is 27/28 pounds per month on 24 months contract

Rajaasim1980 said:
Its strange how iphones give better battery life even when its only 1600mAh. Google should think about it. Either removable battery or non removable battery with at least 7-8 hours screen on time as we see in note series
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Strange? surely not. My Nokia 6310 could go 2 weeks between charges, it had what, 1100mAh's?
The key to battery life in a phone comes down to two things;
1. Capacity of the battery
2. How much your phone does // thus, how much power your phone uses
Go figgure

Rajaasim1980 said:
Thanks for reply. May be your specific model was faulty if you had heat issues while playing games more than 20 minutes. These boht phones were built by LG so there should not be any quality difference..
I dont get this pure android thing. Can not we get same pure Google experience in Lg g2 by rooting and installing any custom AOSP/CM/AOKP ROM?
I have heard android 4.4 is more power efficient(less process and background services eating juice) than previous jelly bean versions so would it make any difference? Its strange how iphones give better battery life even when its only 1600mAh. Google should think about it. Either removable battery or non removable battery with at least 7-8 hours screen on time as we see in note series
I am actually getting Lg g2 cheaper on contract phones..Lg g2 is 26 pounds per month while nexus 5 is 27/28 pounds per month on 24 months contract
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Strange? surely not. My Nokia 6310 could go 2 weeks between charges, it had what, 1100mAh's?
The key to battery life in a phone comes down to two things;
1. Capacity of the battery
2. How much your phone does // thus, how much power your phone uses
Go figgure
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I dont think you got the point. did you?
I am not fans of apple but i was comparing ios battery with android(battery of two smart phones with different operating system )your nokia 6310 dont have display of iphone s or nexus 5 and same is true for surfing web and watching online videos, playing games etc lol
its mostly 3g and display, games which drain battery which old phones dont have it tahts why they stay longer even with less power
go figure it out my freind

Rajaasim1980 said:
I dont think you got the point. did you?
I am not fans of apple but i was comparing ios battery with android(battery of two smart phones with different operating system )your nokia 6310 dont have display of iphone s or nexus 5 and same is true for surfing web and watching online videos, playing games etc lol
its mostly 3g and display, games which drain battery which old phones dont have it tahts why they stay longer even with less power
go figure it out my freind
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Oh, no, I did get your point, hence my reply.... it seems like it is you who has missed my point.
I didn't say you were a fan of apple. Whether you are, or are not is beside the point... it won't affect anyones battery life. I'm not bashing apple here, I'm a tech fan... that's all tech, regardless of who made it.
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your nokia 6310 dont have display of iphone s or nexus 5 and same is true for surfing web and watching online videos, playing games etc lol
its mostly 3g and display, games which drain battery which old phones dont have it tahts why they stay longer even with less power
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And then go on to find it strange how
Rajaasim1980 said:
iphones give better battery life even when its only 1600mAh
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Now, I'm going to leave this one to you, seeing as you quite rightly understand
Rajaasim1980 said:
your nokia 6310 dont have display of iphone s or nexus 5 and same is true for surfing web and watching online videos, playing games etc lol
its mostly 3g and display, games which drain battery which old phones dont have it tahts why they stay longer even with less power
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So, with your own reasoning, is it really that strange that a phone running iOS with a 1600mAh battery has a comparable run time to a phone running Android with a 2300Mah battery?

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Oh, no, I did get your point, hence my reply.... it seems like it is you who has missed my point.
I didn't say you were a fan of apple. Whether you are, or are not is beside the point... it won't affect anyones battery life. I'm not bashing apple here, I'm a tech fan... that's all tech, regardless of who made it.
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And then go on to find it strange how
Now, I'm going to leave this one to you, seeing as you quite rightly understand
So, with your own reasoning, is it really that strange that a phone running iOS with a 1600mAh battery has a comparable run time to a phone running Android with a 2300Mah battery?
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let me clarify it for you
My point was ios optimize hardware in such way that it use less power than android even when you do same tasks like when you play same graphics intensive games, surf 3g/4G/WiFi internet or watch online videos on HD display, talk time or any other multitasking . I was asking how 1600 mAh battery of iPhone give more time of surfing web, playing games on HD display as compare to android?
Your bringing nokia old phones was irrelevant here because they dont have HD display or 3d games or 3g internet e. It would make sense if you compare battery life of latest nokia lumia 1520 with latest devices of apple or android

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let me clarify it for you
My point was ios optimize hardware in such way that it use less power than android even when you do same tasks like when you play same graphics intensive games, surf 3g/4G/WiFi internet or watch online videos on HD display, talk time or any other multitasking . I was asking how 1600 mAh battery of iPhone give more time of surfing web, playing games on HD display as compare to android?
Your bringing nokia old phones was irrelevant here because they dont have HD display or 3d games or 3g internet e. It would make sense if you compare battery life of latest nokia lumia 1520 with latest devices of apple or android
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They dont optimise the hardware tho, do they... I can sit there browsing the web on an ios device, and the battery goes down just as fast as when i do the same from a comparable android device. That is because, when you actually use those things, the 3g, the screen etc they use power, no matter who's logo is placed on them. Lets talk about an ios device that uses an ips panel display, against an android with ips panel display. You think that just because one is used by apple that it somehow magically requires less power to run? no, no it doesn't.
Its when the phone is sat there, idle, that the iphone battery life will outshine android. You can leave an iphone untouched for days and the battery percentage hardly moves. That wont work with android.
Why? because when the phones are idle (screen off) android actually still has quite a bit to do... ios, not so much.
That is why my point about the 6310 is completely relevant... although yes, admittedly exaggerated... but i did that on purpose to help you see the point!
the 6310 easily goes 2 weeks without charging, right? the way you are talking, anyone would think that iphones go for days without being charged... fact is, android and ios users pretty much charge up their phones daily, and that has become an accepted norm
android and ios work differently, and have different power requirements. That isnt strange to me... it in fact, makes perfect sense... and my nokia 6310 shows that as a stunning example... it doesnt do anything like the amount of work that any android or ios device does, and lasts what 14 times as long, with a much smaller battery.
iphones are governed by the same basic physics principals that devices running android have to abide by, and there is certainly nothing magical or strange about their battery life

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They dont optimise the hardware tho, do they... I can sit there browsing the web on an ios device, and the battery goes down just as fast as when i do the same from a comparable android device. That is because, when you actually use those things, the 3g, the screen etc they use power, no matter who's logo is placed on them. Lets talk about an ios device that uses an ips panel display, against an android with ips panel display. You think that just because one is used by apple that it somehow magically requires less power to run? no, no it doesn't.
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yea i think so because if you go and compare the battery life of iphone 5 and 5s with android phone of same specification but running with 1500/1560 mAh battery then you will see the difference. For example according to GSM arena Iphone 5s has only 1560 mAh battery but it give you 9.54 hours of web browsing while S4 has got 2600 mAh battery but it give you 7.24 hour of web browsing. How? Same is true is case of RAM because for iphone even 512MB or 1GB RAM will be enough and you will never face any lags because ios use less process and background services that drain battery as compare to android. I am not expert but its something which is common to notice. If you don't believe me then go read reviews and battery comparison and benchmark results

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yea i think so because if you go and compare the battery life of iphone 5 and 5s with android phone of same specification but running with 1500/1560 mAh battery then you will see the difference. For example according to GSM arena Iphone 5s has only 1560 mAh battery but it give you 9.54 hours of web browsing while S4 has got 2600 mAh battery but it give you 7.24 hour of web browsing. How? Same is true is case of RAM because for iphone even 512MB or 1GB RAM will be enough and you will never face any lags because ios use less process and background services that drain battery as compare to android. I am not expert but its something which is common to notice. If you don't believe me then go read reviews and battery comparison and benchmark results
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Benchmarks are benchmarks, reviews are reviews and real life usage is real life usage. I have yet to use any phone that lives up to the amount of talk time, web browsing, idle time, etc that it is rated for. Too many factors for those numbers to be relevant in every day use. Benchmarks can be tricked with software, Samsung proved this.
I've used iPhones and I can definitely tell you without hesitation that they most certainly do not last any longer than android devices if the two devices are being used heavily. iPhones tend to idle better because of (not sure if it has been fixed in 4.4) a better implementation of location reporting and push notifications. As far as actual use, the two are equal. I have yet to meet an iPhone user who uses their phone with moderate to heavy use who doesn't carry their charger with them.
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Based on your needs though , you may very well be more happy with the G2, there aren't more than a handful of phones on the market with comparable battery life. If it wasn't for price and 4.4 I would get the G2. Being that price will be the same for you, I would get the G2 if I were in your shoes.