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what do i guys think Im contemplating trading this beast for a wp7mango device when they release later this year l. Wp7 is so sexy what do i guys think anyone considering jumping ship
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you should do what makes you happy
I know just wanted other peoples opinion on what their feelings are towards wp7 and mango update
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Personally, I think the UI is nice but I get more function from my Android along with a larger device pool to choose from. Android also has better games and more apps. Personally, I love Microsoft but I think WP7 is a failure with no game change. It really doesn't bring anything new to the table. I used Windows Mobile for years but I see no reason to go back. Unless you know something I don't. You have to ask yourself. Is there something you wish you could do with Android that you can with WP7?
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I like the wp7 style but I tried to use Launcher 7 as a daily driver and it felt sort of cramped. I'd goto the marketplace and install launcher 7 and see how you like it first.
I sold my nexus one for an HTC hd7. Worst decision ever. Though the interface is refreshing, the phone is ridiculously limited. The apps cost a lot more and they are often limited when compared to their iPhone Android counterparts.
I had a developer account and was able to sideload apps and beta test the mango update. It is still years behind other mobile operating systems.
Also, the resale value is not very good in wp7 handsets.
Needless to say, I was extatic to get back on android with the g2x.
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I had installed wp7 on my hd2 before buying my g2x. That port was already limited because it wasn't meant to be released, but I loved it. Some apps are more expensive and you wont find as many. The UI is awesome imho. The live tiles are perfectly thought out. And I miss the Zune account for streaming and downloading music. Wish I had an android alternative. If you want customization and rooting/flashing tweaking above all else stay with android. But if you like the phone designs coming out that had wp7 OS, and just want a prepackaged sleak os I would say go for it.
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There is a great music app you can slap a WP7 skin on, and there are several WP7 launchers. Boom, WP7 experience+Android perks.
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Nospin said:
There is a great music app you can slap a WP7 skin on, and there are several WP7 launchers. Boom, WP7 experience+Android perks.
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It's called Ubermusic
Anything is better than this piece of **** G2x, even the new BB Bold 9900 is.......one of the worst phones ever created period. Glad I sold mine for $350
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Anything is better than this piece of **** G2x, even the new BB Bold 9900 is.......one of the worst phones ever created period. Glad I sold mine for $350
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Damn you. I only goy $260 for one of my mint condition G2X's.
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Damn you. I only goy $260 for one of my mint condition G2X's.
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LOL sold mine on Amazon
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So if neither of you has a g2x, why continue to post on this forum?
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laker666 said:
So if neither of you has a g2x, why continue to post on this forum?
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don't feed the trolls broski
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So if neither of you has a g2x, why continue to post on this forum?
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Don't waste ya time man lol.
This is their way of justifying selling it.
By coming in the g2x forums and reading about people complaining.
No doubt
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jriv said:
what do i guys think Im contemplating trading this beast for a wp7mango device when they release later this year l. Wp7 is so sexy what do i guys think anyone considering jumping ship
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Lord Vader, your out dated reference to a Saturday Night Live sketch will get you nowhere. Obiwan Gates is no longer a threat to us. Now that webOS is out of the picture, the outlying manufacturers will have no choice but to fall in line.
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what do i guys think Im contemplating trading this beast for a wp7mango device when they release later this year l. Wp7 is so sexy what do i guys think anyone considering jumping ship
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Next phone you get should be either a Motorola Android, Windows Phone Nokia, or Iphone 6. Those are going to be the big 3. If apple can figure out how to make the phone side of the iphone sound better and get some clarity on the mic and speaker with an antennae that doesn't get jammed with a hand over it, then it could win me over. Nokia is already a solid phone on that side, if microsoft just got that software running with more apps then that phone will be solid. And if Android could just lose the fragmentation non-sense on the hardware (which it should with motorola) and get the quality apps working properly (i.e. skype, netflix, calender, where's nba jam for android?) then I'm all for it.
Coming from a htc hd7 with winmo7 to a g2x I would advise against it. I hate winmo, it's plain, boring and you can't change it (actually the opposite of android). It's like having an iphone that isn't jail broken only worse. There are a lot less apps and the paid apps cost on average $1 more than they would on android market or iphones market.
I didn't wait around long enough for mango to come out because I am impatient and someone made a good offer on my phone...Maybe it's different, but I wouldn't get my hopes up for it being anything spectacular.
thats so funny i love my G2x. took a few roms to be happy but gee i think faux an CM haz it!!!
HATERS! get out of here! then again i knew how to cope with my lemon!
As far as a WM7 phone... i had it but one of the first releases and it was ok, i wouldnt give up my android for it. i feel there are many more aps, devs, and customization options on android.
Don't buy them if they are not all over TV, galaxy s was everywhere the s2.on the other hand, well, its not so popular
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I dont really care if it's not that popular.. its a bad ass phone.. I don't think theres any other phone I'd rather have
ummm.... what?
are you saying that there is no ads on the SGS II? Have you seen the tv ad making fun of the iphone?
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Don't buy them if they are not all over TV, galaxy s was everywhere the s2.on the other hand, well, its not so popular
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Ummm you know its been on back order from tmobile customer loyalty since early December right? That usually means its kinda popular.
Samsung has been outselling apple... I doh?
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You must not watch TV. All three versions are all over the TV. Maybe you live under a rock!
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This is terrible advice. Don't buy something that isn't popular? Really? If I had gone by that rule I'd never have bought my HD2 or my Evo View & I'd have missed out on two excellent devices. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's the best.
Here's some advice that everyone can follow- do your research, go to the store & play with different devices, and buy whichever one you like best.
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Don't buy them if they are not all over TV, galaxy s was everywhere the s2.on the other hand, well, its not so popular
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excuse us for not following popular trend and buying into apple's half assed over priced crap
we arent as "creative" as you applers because not all of us use the exact same phone
thanks.
A while ago Engadget had an article on the best smartphones for the four major carriers and used this for the cover. It's definitely popular..
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Hd2 was one of the most popular phone at T-Mobile and it SUCKED for the AVERAGE CONSUMERS.
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Don't buy them if they are not all over TV, galaxy s was everywhere the s2.on the other hand, well, its not so popular
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Well, I don't think thats a good advice, my advice is before buying a phone like the galaxy s2, look for issues about it in the internet and try it out before you buy it.
I regret saying that Engadget's article about the screen issue wasn't that noticeable and they had it on a really dark place etc. Now i'm noticing that every darn day.
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Hd2 was one of the most popular phone at T-Mobile and it SUCKED for the AVERAGE CONSUMERS.
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Cause the average consumer is dumber than dog ****.
Windows mobile is a slow and laggy phones. Phones should be released so they don't need to be hacked. It should be because the owner wants to. That's my opinion on it
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You know this is one of the most selling phones in the world right.... Right? Samsung has put millions in marketing and made a version for every major American carrier and is attempting to sell more than the original.... You are aware of that right? So you started this thread to be flamed.... Correct?
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This guy hasn't responded to a single post in his own thread. Obviously just trying to light a fire in the forum. CLOSE!
This has to be the best phone I've ever owned. I just upgraded from the sensation and it doesn't compare this phone is a monster. Don't need to root either after the update
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I got gotten damn it lol
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If you have not purchased one yet. I would suggest the GNEX. It has exceeded my expectations and ICS OS is pretty nice.
I would agree Nexii are amazing devices. But when I choose a device I take a look here on XDA, see what the development community is like and then i will get it
Just saw this on twitter. Let the flaming begin
Your opinions could win you a free #LGNitroHD. Tell us what you think of LG to enter to win. http://ow.ly/9sT1P
gave them my thoughts lol...
same
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I wish there was something lower than 0, like -10
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The first one cracked me. Rest were just a formality
We need to make sure we all fill this out!
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Big ol' doughnut haha I would love to see the LG Rep that goes through these haha when they realize they will never have any repeat business hahaha start selling stocks now!!! hahaha
Pin it to Win it.
Eh.. I gave them a 6. Software and Support are horrible, but I felt the hardware is among the best. And combined with xda/rootzwiki, it's pretty nice. Plus, unlocked bootloader is nice (is this manufacturer or carrier?).
Zero seems a little unreasonable. I mean, it's your opinion so have at it, but if a company received a zero from me, the product would be beyond fixing and in the trash can.
I gave a 3. Without good software from the manufacturer, then you cannot fully utilize the hardware.
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Just saw this on twitter. Let the flaming begin
Your opinions could win you a free #LGNitroHD. Tell us what you think of LG to enter to win. http://ow.ly/9sT1P
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Good find! I gave them a peace of my mind...No support at all. That's not how you do business LG! If we didn't have talented and devoted developers this phone would've been a paper weight after the gingerbread "update" LG deployed.
Thanks to all developers!
0. On another note the nitro looks cool
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0. On another note the nitro looks cool
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BLASPHEMY!
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BLASPHEMY!
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I lol'ed so hard
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Submitted my answers. How likely do you think someone who put 0 down will actually win a phone?
If I get the new Nitro HD then I am selling and using that money to get the best Samsung available
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Submitted my answers. How likely do you think someone who put 0 down will actually win a phone?
If I get the new Nitro HD then I am selling and using that money to get the best Samsung available
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LOL
i gave them a 4, no where to give them a piece of my mind though, just the rating. they should give us a text box to really let them have it
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i gave them a 4, no where to give them a piece of my mind though, just the rating. they should give us a text box to really let them have it
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Agreed with the text box. They get enough hate on facebook.
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I really look at LG as a hardware provider. I don't think anybody is happy on stock. After all the flashing and tweaking. (No drugs) I'm really happy. LG should just sell devices with root permissions, cwm, give credit due to devs who made this stuff possible (aka $) and keep them under warranty. Dunno how legal that would be but it would change everything.
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I lol'ed so hard
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Gave them a solid 3... agreed with you guys that said the hardware was great but software support severely lacking.
I'm still on the fence about trying the G4X when it comes out, but as mentioned we have such great dev support here on XDA and from Cyanogenmod that even though out of the box I'm sure the G4X will have awful software just as the G2X did, it will be only a matter of time for the guys here to build some properly-working and amazing ROMS for it as well.
LG really ought to be ashamed of releasing such great hardware with such terrible software preinstalled.
Nice find!!, hopefully we get a good amount of people that will fill this out
Okay android. 4.1 will be released at Google io this week so how long until cyanagen gets it for our phone. At this point skip ics as its yesterday old crappie crap on a stick. We should have it like how apple releases ios they do updates so quick why can't you we. This is stupid and full year after ics we don't have it.....
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Be happy we're getting ICS. This is a year and a half old phone.
The only reason apple updates for so long is because it has literally like 6 devices to update. HTC has like 30+, all with diffrerent RIL, screen sizes, ram, processors, and carriers.
The CyanoogenMod developers don't work for you, don't expect anything from them.
I'm cool with just getting ICS
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Be happy we're getting ICS. This is a year and a half old phone.
The only reason apple updates for so long is because it has literally like 6 devices to update. HTC has like 30+, all with diffrerent RIL, screen sizes, ram, processors, and carriers.
The CyanoogenMod developers don't work for you, don't expect anything from them.
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Never I want 4.1 android
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Never I want 4.1 android
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Then build it for us or buy a new phone, but dont demand anythinh
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Then build it for us or buy a new phone, but dont demand anythinh
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I am an American, I can demand anything....
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Never I want 4.1 android
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Android 4.1 is a stupid simple update from ICS. It isn't all that different and a lot of stuff will carry over. The developer's well get 4.1 running as soon as they can, if they can. The reason we don't have ICS is because we don't have a RIL yet. That should come with the first ICS leak.
If Apple's release schedule is superior then I think it's time for you to go buy an iPhone.The dev's are already pretty stressed out about this, and they do all their work for free. You honestly don't have the right to demand anything.
If you want the latest updates immediately after they come out, you should have bought a Nexus device.
Also, Cyanogenmod isn't the only AOSP build out there, and there are many better ones. I'd research into most of them, since the active CM developers for the Tbolt are working with 7, not 9(which is ICS based) it could be a while.
I also hope that your american comment was not serious, but it doesn't matter. The damage is done. Attitudes like that are the reason that a lot of other nations look down on the US and consider the citizen's ignorant and stupid.
Cant wait for 4.1 for my SGS2
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Android 4.1 is a stupid simple update from ICS. It isn't all that different and a lot of stuff will carry over. The developer's well get 4.1 running as soon as they can, if they can. The reason we don't have ICS is because we don't have a RIL yet. That should come with the first ICS leak.
If Apple's release schedule is superior then I think it's time for you to go buy an iPhone.The dev's are already pretty stressed out about this, and they do all their work for free. You honestly don't have the right to demand anything.
If you want the latest updates immediately after they come out, you should have bought a Nexus device.
Also, Cyanogenmod isn't the only AOSP build out there, and there are many better ones. I'd research into most of them, since the active CM developers for the Tbolt are working with 7, not 9(which is ICS based) it could be a while.
I also hope that your american comment was not serious, but it doesn't matter. The damage is done. Attitudes like that are the reason that a lot of other nations look down on the US and consider the citizen's ignorant and stupid.
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what i am saying is that it is stupid how long it takes from the time google/moto releases the code to it gets to us on our phones. Even the sprint nexus s took over 6 months to get out.... why cant it be quick like apple is all i am saying since they too have many devices to support fromt he 3gs, 4, 4s and soon the 5.
and when the world has a problem who do they call? THE USA! True Power is not given... It is TAKEN.... J.R. Ewing
The thunderbolt is an older device now, it has a single core CPU and there are now phones that are quadcore with better screens and hardware. If you don't like the selection of roms our developers have made available to us, like you said, you're an American, you have the free choice to get another phone or learn to port jellybean to the bolt yourself.
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I am an American, I can demand anything....
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Easily the dumbest comment in a long time.
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The thunderbolt is an older device now, it has a single core CPU and there are now phones that are quadcore with better screens and hardware. If you don't like the selection of roms our developers have made available to us, like you said, you're an American, you have the free choice to get another phone or learn to port jellybean to the bolt yourself.
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Because I feel jellybean is easily installed as it is only a dot release so we are intitled to it.
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We wont see an official release of that and the only way we will is through development. Im honestly surprised that the phone manufacturers are even updating the thunderbolt and some of the others to ics. People aren't going to go out and buy a thunderbolt because it has ics. Theyre going to buy the new badass phone with a gazillion freaking cores in it that all dont even operate most of the time.
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We wont see an official release of that and the only way we will is through development. Im honestly surprised that the phone manufacturers are even updating the thunderbolt and some of the others to ics. People aren't going to go out and buy a thunderbolt because it has ics. Theyre going to buy the new badass phone with a gazillion freaking cores in it that all dont even operate most of the time.
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I spent $50 and want jellybean as now ice cream sandwich is so last year....
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Because I feel jellybean is easily installed as it is only a dot release so we are intitled to it.
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You are entitled to nothing more than the way the phone was when you bought it.
You are not American, your the problem WITH America
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so let me make sure I understand this right. ICS is only on about 7% of the devices on the planet but you are crying and *****ing about a version of android that isnt even out yet not on a year and a half old device. i refuse to acknowledge all the other ignorant stuff you said because this was enough.
do the board a favor and next time you want to say something.... dont.
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I spent $50 and want jellybean as now ice cream sandwich is so last year....
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yeah, Happy Trolling idiot.
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You are entitled to nothing more than the way the phone was when you bought it.
You are not American, your the problem WITH America
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^^^ THIS ^^^
Google_Nexus is obviously trolling, only saying these things to piss people off for the "fun" of it. Replying only provokes it and is what he wants. This thread should be closed.
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Google_Nexus is obviously trolling, only saying these things to piss people off for the "fun" of it. Replying only provokes it and is what he wants. This thread should be closed.
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I do own a tbolt and feel as I posted. We are due jelly beam and key lime pie also. I am a demanding owner.
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I've been having trouble with my old hp so I've been shopping around for a new Laptop. I'm wondering what folks thought of http://us.toshiba.com/computers/lap...mmc=qr-pr-walmart-l850-l855d-s5220&moreskus=0 Is it big enough for running SDK and other development tools?
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I've been having trouble with my old hp so I've been shopping around for a new Laptop. I'm wondering what folks thought of http://us.toshiba.com/computers/lap...mmc=qr-pr-walmart-l850-l855d-s5220&moreskus=0 Is it big enough for running SDK and other development tools?
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What's your budget? Are you planning on using win7 or Linux or both?
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That looks like it will more than handle what you need to do. I did find it for a bit less HERE . A big part of choosing a Laptop is the Budget you have to work with.
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I've been having trouble with my old hp so I've been shopping around for a new Laptop. I'm wondering what folks thought of http://us.toshiba.com/computers/lap...mmc=qr-pr-walmart-l850-l855d-s5220&moreskus=0 Is it big enough for running SDK and other development tools?
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I forgot to ask, are you going to be compiling from source?
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What's your budget? Are you planning on using win7 or Linux or both?
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Around $600. Both.
I'm not sure about compiling from source. Right now prboy1969 and I are trying to get the Android kitchen set up.
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Around $600. Both.
I'm not sure about compiling from source. Right now prboy1969 and I are trying to get the Android kitchen set up.
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There was something about the ACPI (or whatever lol its been a while since i dealt with it) where it wouldn't want to boot ubuntu, and if it did it was unusable and my CPU and fan would be at 100 percent.
It was a linux kernel issue, not a ubuntu-specific issue.
Wireless was also a toughie for me, but I was able to fix that no problem.
I'd look around on newegg.com before buying that toshiba just so you can get a feel of what you get for around $600 elsewhere.
But yes, that laptop should have more than enough muscle to do what you want it to do.
I'm running an Acer ( yes go ahead and laugh ) Dual Core Intel. Have had nothing but the Best of luck with it
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I forgot to ask, are you going to be compiling from source?
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To better answer this, in the short term no. But as I continue to learn I think I might. What things should I consider looking for in a computer that can be used in this way?
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Hm, well I don't know about Toshibas being linux friendly.
I have a dualcore Satellite L505 and I had to wait for 2 ubuntu releases for it to work properly.
There was something about the ACPI (or whatever lol its been a while since i dealt with it) where it wouldn't want to boot ubuntu, and if it did it was unusable and my CPU and fan would be at 100 percent.
It was a linux kernel issue, not a ubuntu-specific issue.
Wireless was also a toughie for me, but I was able to fix that no problem.
I'd look around on newegg.com before buying that toshiba just so you can get a feel of what you get for around $600 elsewhere.
But yes, that laptop should have more than enough muscle to do what you want it to do.
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That has more to do with specific hardware then brand name.
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To better answer this, in the short term no. But as I continue to learn I think I might. What things should I consider looking for in a computer that can be used in this way?
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processor and RAM mainly.
My 4gb dualcore would take around 5-6 hours to compile from source lol
Its just a matter of how much time you're willing to wait really.
Jesuscash, I looked at your computer on line and it blows my hp away. 5-6 hours to compile from source? Wow!
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Jesuscash, I looked at your computer on line and it blows my hp away. 5-6 hours to compile from source? Wow!
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Yeah, but this laptop isnt exactly in tip-top shape lol
It overheats a lot and the battery is on the ****s.
It took me 5 hours to convert a pdf of scanned images into a pdf with searchable text, and that was setting the process' priority to high. The pdf was a gb though lol
It lagged so bad that I clicked on the firefox icon and it opened up 30 minutes later lol
I'm investing in a high-end gaming desktop rig when my next round of college money comes in, just because.
I rarely game, but I've been craving a powerful machine for years now. and who knows. I may start learning to dev again
My current desktop has 184mb of ram and it runs ubuntu 9.10 like a champ.
Next question. Intel or AMD?
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I like both, but I lean more more towards AMD. Although my current Laptop is Intel, and I have no regrets with it .
TEAM MiK
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I've used AMD most in the past because at the time they seemed less expensive....
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Is there really a difference between the two processors or does it just come down to, do you want a Ford Crown Vvictoria or a Lincoln Towncar? Is one really better than the other?
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As an amd user I love it. I have a quad core black edition and I can overclock to 3.6 without an issue. I do a lot of gaming so I run crossfire to. The only downside is that I've found that some software, mostly games, don't play nice with my gfx cards. But I feel you get more bang for your buck with amd. There is a difference between a quad core from amd and Intel. Intel will always beat out the amd card in something but they are close. Amd always wins in price though. Just my 2 cents