Hey guys, thought I'd share something that I found out today.
So, I've been waiting patiently (kinda) for the sensation to be released on Orange. Pretty much every other day I've called up and pestered Orange customer services or gone into one of their stores to ask about this phone, hoping that one day I'll strike it lucky and it'll be in stock.
Anyway, today, whilst on one of my random visits, I asked if they had any in stock and I was told that that sensation had failed Orange's software tests (so I guess Orange's crappy software didn't like this phone!) and that it may not be coming to Orange at all!
I was pretty pissed so I called orange customer support and, after explaining that I knew their 'dirty little secret' the lady on the other end told me that what the guy in the store had told me the truth and that the sensation had failed its tests. She was a little more optimistic though and told me that a second wave of tests was going to be carried out and I might be able to expect the phone sometime during the beginning of July.
I' still pretty annoyed by this... why can't phones just be unlocked and free of all the software that providers pile onto them?
I'm considering Vodafone after this... the only thing that's keeping me with Orange is the 25% discount I've built up. Any British Sensation owners had any problems with Vodafone?
Can anyone who has a Sensation on Orange tell me if it has been branded (orange logo somewhere on the phone's casing) & if it does have the usual Orange crud pushed into the software on the phone?
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Any British Sensation owners had any problems with Vodafone?
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Nope! I moved to Vodafone from T-Mobile to get the Sensation when it was released on 19th May. The signal is much better than T-Mobile or 3, and I seem to get a "H" symbol more often than before. Voice calls seem to connect better too, none of the huge pauses I had with T-Mobile or 3.
Can anyone who has a Sensation on Orange tell me if it has been branded (orange logo somewhere on the phone's casing) & if it does have the usual Orange crud pushed into the software on the phone?
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Spot the person who didn't read the first post.
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Spot the person who didn't read the first post.
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I was offered the phone (on a decent contract with Orange today) but noone at customer services could answer the two questions I posted.
As the thread was started on the 18th and I was offered the phone today I thought it appropriate to ask within the thread rather than post a brand new thread.
I was offered the phone (on a decent contract with Orange today) but noone at customer services could answer the two questions I posted.
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Was this from an orange store or calling them up? I really want this phone so it would be good to know where you were offered this. I haven't checked into a store or called them up since Monday since they told me not to try until July, I've just been checking the web since.
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Was this from an orange store or calling them up? I really want this phone so it would be good to know where you were offered this. I haven't checked into a store or called them up since Monday since they told me not to try until July, I've just been checking the web since.
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From this place
However, I asked if the phone is unlocked and they said no - all other networks (via this site) are unlocked but Orange (with which the site is affiliated) are locked. They could not tell me about branding or software though when I called (may try again today) hence posting in your thread.
Yesterday they said the phone could be with me today so they are are either selling SIM locked phones with no Orange Software or someone, somewhere is getting a little confused at customer services
Yesterday they said the phone could be with me today so they are are either selling SIM locked phones with no Orange Software or someone, somewhere is getting a little confused at customer services
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Haha, maybe they are, though perhaps you're right in thinking that they're selling SIM locked phones.
I called Orange again just now and the woman on the other end told me that the Sensation should be in stock come mid-July.
Think it's possible to carry over a discount after buying a phone from one of these online retailers? Maybe calling up Orange and letting them know that you're still with them but decided to get a phone from elsewhere?
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Haha, maybe they are, though perhaps you're right in thinking that they're selling SIM locked phones.
I called Orange again just now and the woman on the other end told me that the Sensation should be in stock come mid-July.
Think it's possible to carry over a discount after buying a phone from one of these online retailers? Maybe calling up Orange and letting them know that you're still with them but decided to get a phone from elsewhere?
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Well I decided to order from that site as I figured, going on what you were told about the phone being available on Orange mid-July and that the site say the phone will be with me on Tuesday, that if it arrives with Orange software and SIM locked, I can return it within 7 days & cancel the contract. However, if they are selling Orange contracts & the Sensation and your information is correct then I may be lucky to get an Orange-free phone.
However, I asked if the phone is unlocked and they said no - all other networks (via this site) are unlocked but Orange (with which the site is affiliated) are locked. They could not tell me about branding or software though when I called (may try again today) hence posting in your thread.
Yesterday they said the phone could be with me today so they are are either selling SIM locked phones with no Orange Software or someone, somewhere is getting a little confused at customer services
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I received delivery of the HTC sensation yesterday, ordered from the site mentioned above by Pride429 on an Orange contract, after upgrading from an O2 HTC HD2. I preordered the Sensation at the end of May.
I swapped the sims and both models are not simlocked and there is no Orange logo on the Sensation anywhere.
So far, I've been very impressed. Miles quicker and will use T-Mobile when no Orange signal, which is good as only Orange works where I live.
Fantastic upgrade.
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I received delivery of the HTC sensation yesterday, ordered from the site mentioned above by Pride429 on an Orange contract, after upgrading from an O2 HTC HD2. I preordered the Sensation at the end of May.
I swapped the sims and both models are not simlocked and there is no Orange logo on the Sensation anywhere.
So far, I've been very impressed. Miles quicker and will use T-Mobile when no Orange signal, which is good as only Orange works where I live.
Fantastic upgrade.
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Thank you for that superb & most welcome information - fingers crossed I get exactly the same as I sometimes have the same issues with signal
Good news - my Sensation arrived today from the site I posted - SIM unlocked (just finishing using my previous Virgin contract on it) & more importantly, no damn orange software or branding.
Looks as though I have been lucky as I had been told they only sold Orange contracted Sensations that are SIM locked.
Very happy - now to get down to some serious fingering!
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From this place
However, I asked if the phone is unlocked and they said no - all other networks (via this site) are unlocked but Orange (with which the site is affiliated) are locked. They could not tell me about branding or software though when I called (may try again today) hence posting in your thread.
Yesterday they said the phone could be with me today so they are are either selling SIM locked phones with no Orange Software or someone, somewhere is getting a little confused at customer services
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That handset will be a SIM-free model with an Orange SIM card in it - best deal tbh as it won't have all the Orange crap on it
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as titles just got an email,
http://www.vodafone-emailme.co.uk/vfemailme/process.do?action=digest&digest=1166301300&oid=107384161&location=http://www.vodafonebusinessshop.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=Phones.productdetails%26prodid=3037%26WT.mc_id=EMAIL-110908-BuyNow-CLKHERE-HTCTchPr
seems expensive though and only avalible on buisness website
Try ordering one, I have and they dont have them in stock
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Try ordering one, I have and they dont have them in stock
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Thought you was on O2?
I am, but I have another upgrade on Vodafone waiting for me to use
Then it is just a matter of flashing it and hoping it is not sim locked. If it is then looks like I am going to have to pay a hefty fee on this forum to get it unlocked.
Now get back to your Stella induced slumber
I now have mine in hand.
The good news is that it is Sim Unlocked already. I just popped my O2 Sim in it and it worked straight away.
The bad news is that they have butchered the software. Anyone using it without flashing is going to think it is a pile of rubbish.
I am just waiting for it to charge before I Hardspl it and flash it.
Hi Churchwa,
So....How do you go about flashing the TD Pro?
I've got mine now (with the vodafone skinning) how do I get ride of it (the vodafone skin that is)?
Help please...
All details you need to flash your device and HARDSPL can be found in the wiki, and the rom development section of this forum.
Many thanks. I'll have a gander!
Hardspl worked like a treat.
Then I flashed it with the latest Asian WWE rom. Very very easy
Could you give a quick little tutorial on what needs to be done, this is my first windows mobile phone.
THANKS
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Hardspl worked like a treat.
Then I flashed it with the latest Asian WWE rom. Very very easy
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Why did you Flash it to an Asian ROM over a UK one?
What are the improvements over the Vodafone ROM
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A question to those of you who got it on Vodafone UK, have you got a registered business or something? I was going to order mine a bout 2 minutes ago, but its asking if im a sole trader\Ltd Company etc... or did you manage to get it without a connection to a business?
just ring the normal new connections number and ask for a touch pro, they should give you one straight away, thats all i did.
rang Thursday afternoon, was offered 600 mins unlimted txts and unlimited internet for 35 a month and got the phone for 20 pounds, not bad really, got delivered today (fri) about dinner time.
currently flashing it reception seems quite good with voda and they seem really efficient.
My local Vodafone store called to let me know they had the Touch Pro in stock and were willing to sell me one on a £35/month contract with net access but still wanted £100 up front, still a little steep.
I tried my luck calling in to Vodafone sales and was tole that the TP was only on a business contract if that helps.
D.
Thanks for the heads up, my brother in law (who has a business) has got his today and was told by Vodafone he can have a few extra lines, so i was going to get it that way if i cant get it direct, i know someone already stated that its not SIM Locked, but can anyone else confirm this too, although i'll be getting it on contract with VF UK, but i wont acually use that SIM, i'll be using a T-Mobile one and just want to make sure before i comit.
Hiya.. I have a small business and got this via my business contract. but as others have said you can get them on a consumer contract also.
Just Flashed mine with the 1.90 405.1 top get rid of all that Red Vodafone crap
Ordered!
Just thought i'd let everyone know, I've ordered the Touch Pro on Vodafone as a consumer and not business, so as stated by someone else earlier, you can get this without being a business. Not only that, the option i chose was "Best for texter" which, for £35 (including VAT), gives you 600 minutes and unlimited text messages (AUP says 3000 messages a month) and the guy on the phone said he'd give me the unlimited internet package too (500MB limit per month) and has the full HSDPA enabled ie 7.2 MPBS and the best bit of it all.... the phone was free
He said it should be with me Tuesday, so for me Chistmas has come early, just got to hope i can use my T-Mobile SIM without having to unlock it, i'll let you know as soon as i get it.
just to let people know, the phone i got from voda is unlocked, has my orange sim in it now.
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Just thought i'd let everyone know, I've ordered the Touch Pro on Vodafone as a consumer and not business, so as stated by someone else earlier, you can get this without being a business. Not only that, the option i chose was "Best for texter" which, for £35 (including VAT), gives you 600 minutes and unlimited text messages (AUP says 3000 messages a month) and the guy on the phone said he'd give me the unlimited internet package too (500MB limit per month) and has the full HSDPA enabled ie 7.2 MPBS and the best bit of it all.... the phone was free
He said it should be with me Tuesday, so for me Chistmas has come early, just got to hope i can use my T-Mobile SIM without having to unlock it, i'll let you know as soon as i get it.
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Is the full HSDPA enabled mean the little H that changes from H to 3G is that ?
Why does it keep changing, shall i set the H as default?
It only switches to H when you need it, (when streaming data) otherwise it just sits on 3G
Anyone from Orange UK know of release date for HD2?
Just looking on O's coming soon phones, there's no mention of the HD2 at all.
Any idea of when it's gonna be available?
Thanks
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Anyone from Orange UK know of release date for HD2?
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Never, I'm afraid. O2, T-Mobile and Vodafone will be selling this phone; Orange and 3 will not.
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Never, I'm afraid. O2, T-Mobile and Vodafone will be selling this phone; Orange and 3 will not.
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Is that confirmed? As far as I knew, Orange customer service people had said that Orange wouldn't be selling the HD2. However, when you consider the lack of knowledge the people at O2 have about the HD2 (some still insist that O2 doesn't sell HTC devices, despite the HD2 having been in their magazines for about a month), what customer service people say doesn't mean much.
3 never have any good phones, so I agree with the assumption that they won't be getting the HD2. lol.
True, and its coming to orange in other countrys.
Shame you cant get it on 3 after the latest ofcom reports seems that they now have the best reception out of all the networks especially for 3g.
Still not sure I would go back to them after their hideous service though.
COMING
I talked to a rep last week at Phones4U in Wimbledon, where they confirmed that next month, which in this case should be February, they will start selling the HD2 on Orange. The guy I talked to was on a training the day before and he seemed to be absolutely sure about this...
Fingers crossed this also means we will get it as a free upgrade directly from Orange...
http://www.phones4u.co.uk/shop/shop_contract_details.asp?ItemKey=373242&intcid=Homepage_Find_Phone_PM_HTC_HTC%20HD2
Seems it is available.
I just picked up a bell sensation and I can't find any company that has an unlock code for it. Anyone know how long it takes for the unlockers to get the codes from htc?
Try Cellunlocker. I got 2 Sensations unlocked from them for 19.99 each. Got the unlock codes within 4 hours. Mine were the T-Mobile version but they unlock the Bell version as well.
So far it seems no one has successfully unlocked the Bell versions. I spoke to a Bell rep today who said their HTC Sensation would not be issued unlock codes like their other models.
Is there any other way to unlock the device?
Can you confirm that the bell sensation has a protective lens for the camera. I went to the source and they have a dummy phone for bell sensation and it had a lens so that the camera is not recessed. Can you confirm this?
I went to cellunlocker and tried searching up my bell sensation IMEI that starts with a 35644 and it did say it had the unlock code for it. I also did the same with htcimeunlock but they did not have the code for my IMEI. I have no experience ordering from cellunlocker so i have no idea whether or not the site was telling the truth.
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Many sites are selling the NAM sensation as "unlocked" and some have already shipped to buyers like Nergi Electronics. I can't imagine that they would have sold theses unless they were unlocked. I am waiting for mine and I called the place I am getting it from and they told me it is 100% unlockled.
I tried both those sites and they couldn't unlock the phone. I was told it would take a couple of days to get the updated tables. I really hope they can unlock this phone I can't think of any htc phone that didn't have an unlock.
Eventually there will be an unlock, it may be a bit soon as the phone was just officially released today (Bell) and mitigating factors like Bell are probably getting in the way.
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Eventually there will be an unlock, it may be a bit soon as the phone was just officially released today (Bell) and mitigating factors like Bell are probably getting in the way.
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prolly the ONLY reason, theyre network isnt the greatest, but it has good coverage...not to mention that rogers doesnt even have a fone this good yet, as im sure theyre just holding out for the iPhone5 contract
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prolly the ONLY reason, theyre network isnt the greatest, but it has good coverage...not to mention that rogers doesnt even have a fone this good yet, as im sure theyre just holding out for the iPhone5 contract
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It seems Rogers has burned some bridges (particularly the one with HTC). Bell has great phones out. I'm actually amazed... I switched to them for a few months and their coverage in my town was out of this world.
I reluctantly switched back to Rogers for the amazing retention rate plan and features I had though. I hope they take a page out of what Bell's doing though. They've stepped up their game considerably.
Any update on this? Wanting to unlock my Bell Sensation to use on AT&T!
Has anyone tried Mobile in Canada? According to this page, it looks like they should be able to do it.
https://www.mobileincanada.com/1550-How-To-Unlock-code-en-HTC-Sensation-4G-Bell.html
You get an error saying they can't unlock it yet when you submit the IMEI...
im waiting for someone to confirm they have unlocked their bell sensation until i buy one. i hope its soon
Hey Everyone,
I sell alot of Unlock Codes on eBay and to other reseller websites online.
The current HTC Database is out of date and the next update is expected sometime next week.
Once the DB is updated all BELL HTC Sensations will have a code. For now there is no point trying different guys/websites, because in the end it is ONE database that everyone checks against.
Here is my HTC Sensation auction for unlock codes, but BELL IS NOT SUPPORTED RIGHT NOW.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220800990191
Thank for your info Fr0Z3n
But the main question is still when will the servers be updated..
I tired of carrying around a phone that I cannot use. Not that I don't like my Atrix,
I just want a bigger screen.
By the way I tried mobileincanada.com and they don't have the code and they gave me a refund withing 2 hours without me having to ask for it.
I ** highly ** recommend them as another option when the servers are updated.
I also tried gsmconnexxion and have not got a refund yet, it's been 2 days and i'm still waiting.
Well lets get back to the main question again
*** On what day do the servers get updated??? ***
you tried gsmconnexxion? That is me and i don't have any refunds pending.
I am guessing you are just here advertising for mobileincanada? Anyways if you REALLY do have a refund pending send me a msg.
oh well and the htc servers get updated next week!
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But the main question is still when will the servers be updated..
I tired of carrying around a phone that I cannot use. Not that I don't like my Atrix,
I just want a bigger screen.
By the way I tried mobileincanada.com and they don't have the code and they gave me a refund withing 2 hours without me having to ask for it.
I ** highly ** recommend them as another option when the servers are updated.
I also tried gsmconnexxion and have not got a refund yet, it's been 2 days and i'm still waiting.
Well lets get back to the main question again
*** On what day do the servers get updated??? ***
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Thanks for the update fr0z3n. It gives me hope that Bell won't be locking down the device forever.
@fr0z3n: Thanks for the info, please keep us updated as to when the server gets updated.
I noticed that in your eBay link that you are selling the codes for $25.99US each while mobileincanada.com is $20CDN even. Are you willing to beat the mobileincanada.com price? Please note that I do realize that selling on eBay carries extra costs for the listings/final price fees, but what if we were to purchase from you outside of eBay? Is a group deal possible if a bunch of us get together and make a commitment to purchase a code from you when they are available?
Yes if it is a group deal then I can do $19.00 CAD (NOT USD) or $20 USD.
The margins for HTC codes are very low, but for a group deal I can certainly provide that.
Where did many of you buy your O3D from in the UK?
Looking on network sites I could only find 3, Tmobile and Orange offering the phone so far and all 3 of them on their websites say "coming soon".
I got mine from Handtec,they are UK based.
Got mine from earphone warehouse , should be available through orange direct in the next 2 weeks
I got mine from Carphone Warehouse aswell.
Try popping into the stores of the various networks rather than checking the websites. You might find the stores have it in stock even if the websites don't.
Tesco Mobile are also doing it too I believe.
I got my from http://www.mobiles.co.uk
they've good deals, usually better than carphone
Got mine from the link below free phone £25.54 a month with 600 mins and 500 texts and unlimited internet and you get £10 cash back also, this is the best deal I have seen, also looked at mobiles.co.uk but they wanted £99 for the phone on the same sort of deal.
www.buymobilephones.net/mobile-phon...e/T-Mobile-25-(24mths)-inc.-Internet/10035998
I also had a issue with my phone after trying lcd density on it played up after a few days and wouldn't boot up , I sent it back to them and I had a replacement phone sent out the next day, great service, but if you after sim free not sure.
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Got mine from the link below free phone £25.54 a month with 600 mins and 500 texts and unlimited internet and you get £10 cash back also, this is the best deal I have seen, also looked at mobiles.co.uk but they wanted £99 for the phone on the same sort of deal.
I also had a issue with my phone after trying lcd density on it played up after a few days and wouldn't boot up , I sent it back to them and I had a replacement phone sent out the next day, great service, but if you after sim free not sure.
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Got same deal from these guys.
Have bought from them in the past too, never had any issues.
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Got same deal from these guys.
Have bought from them in the past too, never had any issues.
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I got from there also but chose the 18 month contract instead of 24 as I did not need that many minutes and it works out a lot cheaper in the end, even though I had to pay £29.99 up front.
Would have been cheaper still but I was in such a rush to order I forgot to check if they were on Quidco, which of course they are.
Thanks guys for the links, have to admit some great deals!
buymobilephones.net seems to have the best deal however mobiles.co.uk are slightly more expensive because the phone is apparently unlocked.
An unlock isn't an issue for me yet but what about after the contract? Would I be able to request from say tmobile an unlock? I heard they must give this to you by law once your contract expires?
And speaking of unlock, is there a software unlock out for this device yet? Would be very handy to get it on contract and then unlock it via software or something
My phone from buymobilephones.net was unlocked and the original I sent back was unlocked also and no branding on either, they don't lock phones there am sure others will say the same thing.
Just as a test for you I am on T-Moible and just put a O2 pay as you go sim in and it works fine.
The buymobilephones.net phones are not locked as far as I am aware. There is no T-Mobile stuff on the one I have.
Pete
Yes same with me phone is unlocked (tryed 3 sim), only mod i noticed was the homepage was set to t-mobile in the browser.
I purchased mine from http://www.gummobile.com/phones/LG_Optimus_3D_P920_Sim_Free.aspx
both carphone warehouse and phones 4 u have it here to buy...
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both carphone warehouse and phones 4 u have it here to buy...
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Both the more expensive option buymobilephones.net is still the best offer around.
I bought mine from Carphone warehouse yet there's no mention of T-Mobile branding anywhere on the box or on the phone's software. I might see if I can borrow an O2 sim card tonight just to try it out and see if it really is locked or not.
I just thought about this... I know it's a long shot.
Is it possible to change the housing from the grey and blue on the Tmobile version to the red and black MAO on the unlocked version? Granted, the housings arent even available... but lets say we had two guys, one from Europe and one from US, and they wanted each other's colors....
could they in theory, swap?
If the hardware is the same. Yes. But good luck figuring that one out.
Based on the fact that the cases do have physical differences on the outside (the t-mobile versions has some seams below the back and multitask buttons that the Euro version doesn't), I don't think it would work.
T-mo use should have red/black in june
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T-mo use should have red/black in june
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Link?
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Straight from about 10 HTC reps now. I first found out when I went to the T-mobile corporate One s training and the four reps there told me the black/red is being pushed out to June because of a problem with the finish on the black/red phone. Since then I have had multiple different HTC reps tell me matching info when they come into my store.
Take it for what is, I know some people just blab and say whatever sounds good BUT these are the same HTC reps that confirmed a problem with the finishing process of te red/black and told me about a revised red/black phone and I think I was the first person to post it here I have faith in most of the HTC reps I have talked to
edit: just looked at your sig and noticed you work for T-mo as well Ask the HTC rep, they werent treating this info like a secret at all haha
I was told the same thing without even asking my Tmo rep when purchasing my One S on Tuesday
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Straight from about 10 HTC reps now. I first found out when I went to the T-mobile corporate One s training and the four reps there told me the black/red is being pushed out to June because of a problem with the finish on the black/red phone. Since then I have had multiple different HTC reps tell me matching info when they come into my store.
Take it for what is, I know some people just blab and say whatever sounds good BUT these are the same HTC reps that confirmed a problem with the finishing process of te red/black and told me about a revised red/black phone and I think I was the first person to post it here I have faith in most of the HTC reps I have talked to
edit: just looked at your sig and noticed you work for T-mo as well Ask the HTC rep, they werent treating this info like a secret at all haha
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another tmo employee here
talked with the western regional manager of HTC over a month ago and he told me the exact same thing. said he expected the black version to be out mid june.
also the local HTC reps seem to be giving me the same info.
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I was told the same thing without even asking my Tmo rep when purchasing my One S on Tuesday
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Same here. He said T-Mobile was getting the MAO version "eventually" but didn't mention a date.
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another tmo employee here
talked with the western regional manager of HTC over a month ago and he told me the exact same thing. said he expected the black version to be out mid june.
also the local HTC reps seem to be giving me the same info.
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I was told the same thing by a corp htc rep that the micro arc would be available a month or two after initial launch.
suhailtheboss said:
another tmo employee here
talked with the western regional manager of HTC over a month ago and he told me the exact same thing. said he expected the black version to be out mid june.
also the local HTC reps seem to be giving me the same info.
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so this thread is littered with Tmo employees lol... I work there also.. personally I'm fine with the blue color because the case covers up most of it so I don't really care about a black and red but was upset that we didn't have the MAO casing.. I have been waiting for quite awhile for the Ville and was super stoked when we got the word in Puerto Rico that we were getting it and to top it off as an extra bonus for the trip.. Its an upgrade from my HD2 that i hacked running ICS with out HTC Sense so I happy with it.. and the battery life is amazing on mine so far... im getting a solid day and a half out of each charge with normal use..
sorry to get a little off thread .. just wanted to give my opinion a bit about the phone..