I was comparing the Giorgio Armani Galaxy S to the Captivate to see if they were in fact the same exact phone. Only a couple differences... Front facing cam and FM radio on the Armani Edition.
If we could find out where to get the additional hardware to add the 2nd cam and a dump from the Armani edition couldn't we in theory mod our phones? If these are THE only internal differences between these 2 phones it should be pretty straightforward.
As for the FM radio, I'm not sure if the hardware or wiring is in the Captivate or if everything is there and just not activated like in my Nexus One. Everything was there. We just needed the MiUi rom to get it working, and now its right there in CM 6.1.
OK waddaya guys think?
BTW, The Armani's specs were in multiple places but the site I used to compare all the Galaxy S variants was
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The captivate teardown shows NO room for an FFC. So internal differences are probably greater then you think. Until we see a teardown of the 9010, I would not expect any chance of an FFC mod.
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im not sure if those specs are right. i really dont think the armoni model has a ffc.
ive had mine apart but i havent seen the i9000 camera up close. what i can tell you is that the camera on a i9000 is mounted above the rear camera, in the captivate the rear camera is higher. there is no room above it, if a cmaer was put there it would not view through the glass.
to the left (viewed from the back) is an antenna (gps?) and to the right is the headphone jack. it depends on just how small the camera is to know if it will fit in one of those areas but some plastic would need to be milled away and it would be difficult to avoid breaking the glass.
if the armoni i9010 does in fact have a ffc you would likely need the whole chassis and screen to do a mod safely and the even the circuit board is likely revised. but i see no tell tale circle in the glass to show that the camera is there, i also haven't seen any specs noting a front facing camera.
on another note it is rumored to have hsupa, the i9000m jk3 rom and modem works ok with a reorient kernel but this might be a chance to get hsupa without any bugs at all.
Also, the unboxing video shows the sensors (ambient light and proximity) but no FFC. The applications on the phone don't include any chat app either or anything labled video chat.
Don't get me wrong I want to buy the i9000 camera assembly and see if enough of the hardware is implemented the same for it to work. But I have no reservations. For all I care I'll let the camera stick through the top of the phone and mold a hump over it, mounting the camera is only a small hurdle, there may be things in the main board that prevent it from working at all. Kernel files might need to be edited. It might not be as simple as the vibrant.
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Ok, so I have a samsung vibrant and loved the phone, upgraded me and my wife to the new 4G and noticed the camera quality is horrid. Its like night and day, in good light or bad light the 4G takes horrible pictures compaired to the vibrant. Compare the two side by side and you will see. Im so mad. Anyone else have this issue? Oh and dont get me started on the ffc quality. useless. My wifes same resolution MT4G ffc was awesome compaired to this crap.
My cameras work fine on both the Vibrant & the 4G. Yours might be defective? I will play with them again tomorrow now that you mentioned this, just out of curiosity.
I agree, I dont like the camera quality of the front face compared to the mt4g at all, also you can't switch to front face in yahoo video chat, oovoo, or camcorder mode unless using qik, the mt4g had no problem switching to front face at all
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as far as the rear camera quality, i found that my vibrant 4g came set on a very low resolution from the factory, check the settings in the camera and make sure its set to 5mp.
My camara quality is great!! My bro has the regular vibrant and its just as gd. My ffc pictures are great 2 if the lighting is gd but if its dark the picture sucks but that's cuz it lightens it up. You must have bad phone
I just tried to video chat with my brother who was sitting right next to em in a fairly well lit room. His video came through nice and clear, from his Iphone 4 and mine was extremely dark, I couldn't even see myself. We were Both on Tmobile 4g, is anyone else having this issue?
Yeah I know this FFC very bad and crap.
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I just tried to video chat with my brother who was sitting right next to em in a fairly well lit room. His video came through nice and clear, from his Iphone 4 and mine was extremely dark, I couldn't even see myself. We were Both on Tmobile 4g, is anyone else having this issue?
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how were u on 4g with tmobile on an iphone??
did you take off the protective plastic covering on the front, or do u have a screen protector on? my camera is fine.
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how were u on 4g with tmobile on an iphone??
did you take off the protective plastic covering on the front, or do u have a screen protector on? my camera is fine.
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yeah do they make an international iphone that works on tmo or something?
the ffc is not hot but I didn't buy the phone for that
Iphone 4 has a VGA cam too. So it shouldnt be much different.
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same issue
i was having the same issue. overall it is not just video chat, but in the camera application itself the FFC is extremely dark compared to my MT4G. made sure that all of plastic is removed as well.
it seems a simple software update could fix this. the rear cam is perfect, but there are definite issues with the FFC on this device.
We need some sample shots. I beleive the ffc is dark in video chats, because the back cover is covering part of the camera and when compare to my Epic 4g, the ffc in the epic is much better. light is much better.
The sensation's ffc has higher mp than epic's and the iphone, but it seems it hasn't been built the right way.
Some of you are happy with the ffc, it might be that some phones ffc is closer to the ff camera hole in the case.
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We need some sample shots. I beleive the ffc is dark in video chats, because the back cover is covering part of the camera and when compare to my Epic 4g, the ffc in the epic is much better. light is much better.
The sensation's ffc has higher mp than epic's and the iphone, but it seems it hasn't been built the right way.
Some of you are happy with the ffc, it might be that some phones ffc is closer to the ff camera hole in the case.
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I can tell you that the above is not my case. I have taken the back cover off and had the same problem. Same darkness where as I was using the MT4G and never experienced this. The one thing that does make it better is changing the settings in the camera app however this does not carryover to video chat programs like Tango, etc.
Going to extremely bright rooms does help solve the problem but overall it seems more than just the cover issue you speak of.
wow. if that's the case, then it's really bad, but how come others are not complaining about this. some even compare it to the iphone 4? I know the iphone 4 ffc is better than the Epic 4G, and my Epic 4G is better than the Htc Sensation I have today. What's going on with this?
You can adjust the settings on the FFC...in the "image adjustment" selection
I've not been having any problems. But I do live in the UK, maybe the US Sensation has different software for the FFC?
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You can adjust the settings on the FFC...in the "image adjustment" selection
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Correct in the camera application, but these adjustments don't seem to carry over to video chat programs.
My FFC is definitely dark compared to my MT4G.. I can't even see myself in the low light like I can on the MT4G.
I have to second this issue. The FFC is simply underexposed, especially compared to the iphone 4.
turn the lights ON
Not having any issues with my FFC. Seems decent quality for VGA.
It's really dark. The one on my iPod touch is so much better in the same situation.
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+1
Makes me look like a shadow in mid to low lighting. Also had an almost orange like hue to it. Needs to be fixed. I doubt they will address this issue in any update though unless we raise hell about it.
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The FFC is crap. It does have a toggle for more or less light, but that's about it. You will do best if you are in a well lit area - lots of soft light on your face and not much light in the background. The camera itself doesn't give you a lot of leeway.
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Seriously, I have owned this phone for about a week now, and I flat out forgot the HTC-S had a front camera.
Thanks for the reminder.
Current Phone-HTC-S 4G
Previous-HTC Google N1 (Will always keep it)
Today, I was comparing the cameras on the G2X, and the Galaxy S 4G... The Galaxy S's camera looked much, much better. The colors looked so vibrant! It might've been due to the Super AMOLED Display, but I still don't see how the G2X got voted #1 smartphone Camera. Don't get me wrong, it's good, but it's focus is horrible! Would we be able to fix this with software?
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Today, I was comparing the cameras on the G2X, and the Galaxy S 4G... The Galaxy S's camera looked much, much better. The colors looked so vibrant! It might've been due to the Super AMOLED Display, but I still don't see how the G2X got voted #1 smartphone Camera. Don't get me wrong, it's good, but it's focus is horrible! Would we be able to fix this with software?
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I think it definitely is the display that makes the camera/video look better on the Galaxy S 4g. Once the video is uploaded onto a computer then you would know which has better picture/video quality. Don't get me wrong the Galaxy S 4g does take some nice pictures/video's.
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dude g2x is way better load those pics onto a computer then talk to me ; )
It definitely shouldn't be the display, G2X has an LCD as opposed to an LED. LCDs are much, MUCH better at displaying colors, they just don't do too well with black. That's why we have screen bleed.
But yeah, the only true method of testing camera quality is to port both pictures over to a computer and put them side by side. As a matter of fact, please do that, I'd like to see the comparison.
So, after much internal debate, I went back to Gingerbread for the old camera and stability.
My goodness I forgot how good we had it! With all the "auto" stuff and "widescreen" ticked off, this camera takes a ridiculously good picture. I tested it out at this particularly dark room on the house, and the picture turned out perfect. I forgot how great our camera was.
To anyone on ICS, do you ever miss the old camera?
Its nice to have a good camera app BUT being on ICS or JB is way better than a camera
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Its nice to have a good camera app BUT being on ICS or JB is way better than a camera
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Isn't that what makes nandroids and having S-Off SO wonderful?
I hear this a lot but I have to say something. It's the same physical camera so this is a software issue. Try this on ICS: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id= com.moblynx.cameraicsplus or this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=slide.cameraZoom Both have way more options than CM9 and take just as nice pics as the GB Sense camera app if tweaked properly. Good luck!
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=slide.cameraZoom Both have way more options than CM9 and take just as nice pics as the GB Sense camera app if tweaked properly. Good luck!
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Camera Zoom FX is awesome! I think its worth the price for what it can do. I just got it and have been messing with it here and there at work lol. Thanks for the recommendation of it.
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Camera Zoom FX is awesome! I think its worth the price for what it can do. I just got it and have been messing with it here and there at work lol. Thanks for the recommendation of it.
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Hey, no problem! It's an oldie but goodie I'd recommend using Macro for the focus setting. Seems to work more like stock auto focus that way for some strange reason. Otherwise, everything else is pretty self explanatory. Lots of filters and editors to play with! Enjoy!
So didn't want to start a new thread, and this was the first camera one I found going backwards through general.
The camera on the doubleshot spanks the pants off the camera on the S3. No contest, and if it was, the S3 forgot to show up.
That is all.
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So didn't want to start a new thread, and this was the first camera one I found going backwards through general.
The camera on the doubleshot spanks the pants off the camera on the S3. No contest, and if it was, the S3 forgot to show up.
That is all.
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I have to agree. I've taken comparison pics (done at the same time of the same subject) with my MT4GS on stock-based ROM (Miktouch) and CM9.1r5 (thank you nandroid backup!), an iPhone 4S, and a Droid RAZR. Loading the photos on a computer and viewing on a high-res monitor it is obvious that the MT4GS on the stock ROM is superior in every way. Why T-Mobile/HTC didn't market this phone better, I don't know.
+1, I recently took some outdoor night shots of a light show, and my camera bested the S3, which couldn't get a shot. But the flash is much brighter on the S3
I did compare the doubleshot's camera on stock ROM and my Xperia Pro device which was at the same generation with doubleshot and photo's on Xperia Pro are way too good compare to doubleshot. I'll try to upload a comparison between the 2 on this thread maybe tomorrow or after halloween vacation.
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I did compare the doubleshot's camera on stock ROM and my Xperia Pro device which was at the same generation with doubleshot and photo's on Xperia Pro are way too good compare to doubleshot. I'll try to upload a comparison between the 2 on this thread maybe tomorrow or after halloween vacation.
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MAN! I'll be anxious to see those. It's hard to believe there is a phone camera that will take a shot that our DS can't even compare too!! In MOST circumstances the DS will blow away my point & shoot although I will admit it's not a fancy point & shoot.
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MAN! I'll be anxious to see those. It's hard to believe there is a phone camera that will take a shot that our DS can't even compare too!! In MOST circumstances the DS will blow away my point & shoot although I will admit it's not a fancy point & shoot.
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My "point & shoot" is a Panasonic Lumix, which takes excellent photos. The only advantage it has over my MT4GS is the lens. Having a better optical zoom and aperture makes a difference. Otherwise, they are both 8MP sensors, however the MT4GS has a newer and much more advanced back side illuminated sensor, which is why it is so crisp and takes better low-light images.
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My "point & shoot" is a Panasonic Lumix, which takes excellent photos. The only advantage it has over my MT4GS is the lens. Having a better optical zoom and aperture makes a difference. Otherwise, they are both 8MP sensors, however the MT4GS has a newer and much more advanced back side illuminated sensor, which is why it is so crisp and takes better low-light images.
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If you are talking about a full size standalone point and shoot camera, (about the same size as the doubleshot physically) then 8MP is not the same 8MP the doubleshot claims.
The ccd in the standalone camera is way larger and more capable, though tit-for-tat the tech on an 8MP camera is dated compared to what was current a year ago when the doubleshot came out. Think they were at 12-14 megapixel as the standard offering back then. No clue what it even is now.
The low light picture ability of the doubleshot is in my opinion the most 'wow'
aspect of it's entire camera ability. Forget it all else, i've never seen low light pictures taken as well with any hardware i've had the chance to play with.
I'm sure I could get a DSLR that would blow away the doubleshot - and i'm equally sure it won't fit in my pocket and in turn rarely be with me.
I am a man of many pockets, a typical comment to me would be 'jeez, you have enough pockets?' ... and my answer is always no, because there is always something I had to leave behind.
I would never give pocket space for a standalone point and shoot when I could take the DS instead and also be able to turn the pictures into a photo montage, edit them in other ways, zip them all up, throw them in my dropbox and have them backed up to a multitude of physical machines scattered around the USA, then email them to someone...et all, the point and shoot dies on the drawing board when put against that.
Camera is now a primary use of the device for me, and i'm just blown away by how well HTC got it right.
I'd also be interested in seeing some of those pics from the xperia pro, is that a camera or a phone? Doubtless there are devices out there that will outdo the doubleshot, especially at a year old, but i'd be curious to know which.
One thing that gives a leg up on a lot out there, optical zoom. S3 has none, so that in itself is a huge asset in favor of the doubleshot.
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+1, I recently took some outdoor night shots of a light show, and my camera bested the S3, which couldn't get a shot. But the flash is much brighter on the S3
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Again on the low level shots, definite agreement here.
Our flash is limited in power and when you can use it in the kernel at least, not sure of any other limiters (within the camera app itself, et al ) but they may yet be there. Anyone else got any info on it they want to drop here? I'll see if I can dredge up everywhere I found camera stuff in kernel code.
This seems a good place to drop misc. camera tidbits as I come to them, good title and start.
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If you are talking about a full size standalone point and shoot camera, (about the same size as the doubleshot physically) then 8MP is not the same 8MP the doubleshot claims.
The ccd in the standalone camera is way larger and more capable, though tit-for-tat the tech on an 8MP camera is dated compared to what was current a year ago when the doubleshot came out. Think they were at 12-14 megapixel as the standard offering back then. No clue what it even is now.
The low light picture ability of the doubleshot is in my opinion the most 'wow'
aspect of it's entire camera ability. Forget it all else, i've never seen low light pictures taken as well with any hardware i've had the chance to play with.
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The size of the sensor is indeed a big part of the picture (pun intended). However, the sensor in our phone is a 8MP 1/3.2" with 1.4µm backside illumination. That bests nearly every other phone on the market and some cheap point & shoot cameras. Of course, the sensor in a DSLR is far larger, so you get much more detail.
The low-light capability for our phone is due to the backside-illumination sensor (for background info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-illuminated_sensor). Ours was the first phone in the US to incorporate such a sensor, later to be followed by the iPhone 4S. The iPhone, of course, got huge media attention for the camera, but our phone which had the exact same sensor and came out much earlier and had far better software to run it, got little attention.
I've been lurking around here since the phone launched, and on XDA since my G2 days. This is the first time I've felt the need to chime in on a subject, and I suppose also because there haven't been any questions that I couldn't find the answer to myself. Anyway, mine's a launch DS, rev s-off and the whole nine. I remember reading some time ago that there were different camera hardware components on some of our phones (e.g. that one topic where any ICS rom would fail to connect to a particular user's DS camera, yet it would be fine with any GB rom.) so maybe that is of some significance to this whole topic.
Back to the point though, I was blown away when I first used the camera on the stock rom. I use this phone heavily for it's sick camera and the keyboard, which kept me on stock for a short bit and then bulletproof until May. That's when ICS was far enough along for me that I gave Virtuous Inquisition a shot since it retained the sense camera but removed most other sense components. I recall being slightly disappointed in a few minor changes/things at first by the sensation camera software, but having used the camera on CM9 and its derivatives I find that there really is no comparison in the quality that HTC brought to the table with theirs. You could get a comparable picture I'm sure, but the usability is night and day for me. As far as alternative apps, I've messed around with Camera Zoom FX pro a bit and I'd say it is almost as good as the stock ds and sensation offerings but not quite there. It does well for me when I decide to run CM or paranoid android on bootmanager.
Lastly, the HQ camera tweak that is floating around here somewhere is awesome. Average file size of a picture in the full 8mp went from around 2mb before and 5mb afterwards, with a definitely noticeable jump in quality. The max ISO also jumps to 1025 from 800, so more low light goodness. I've gotten some really nice shots with all the different versions I've been running over the past 15 months, but I was once again really impressed after first applying the tweak around June or so.
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Lastly, the HQ camera tweak that is floating around here somewhere is awesome. Average file size of a picture in the full 8mp went from around 2mb before and 5mb afterwards, with a definitely noticeable jump in quality. The max ISO also jumps to 1025 from 800, so more low light goodness. I've gotten some really nice shots with all the different versions I've been running over the past 15 months, but I was once again really impressed after first applying the tweak around June or so.
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I think I came accross this HQ camera tweak before but must have gotten side tracked and never tried it. Will it work with a stock based rom like MikTouch? Do you think you can point me to it if it does?
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I've been lurking around here since the phone launched, and on XDA since my G2 days. This is the first time I've felt the need to chime in on a subject, and I suppose also because there haven't been any questions that I couldn't find the answer to myself. Anyway, mine's a launch DS, rev s-off and the whole nine. I remember reading some time ago that there were different camera hardware components on some of our phones (e.g. that one topic where any ICS rom would fail to connect to a particular user's DS camera, yet it would be fine with any GB rom.) so maybe that is of some significance to this whole topic.
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Early units of the Doubleshot have the Sony IMX105PQ, a 1/3.2” 8.13MP CMOS camera sensor. But the majority of our phones use the Samsung S5K3H2YX, a 1/3.2” 8MP CMOS camera sensor. That could be the discrepancy you describe.
I'd like to know more about this HQ patch you mention. Where is it, does it work with GB roms?
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I think I came accross this HQ camera tweak before but must have gotten side tracked and never tried it. Will it work with a stock based rom like MikTouch? Do you think you can point me to it if it does?
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Early units of the Doubleshot have the Sony IMX105PQ, a 1/3.2” 8.13MP CMOS camera sensor. But the majority of our phones use the Samsung S5K3H2YX, a 1/3.2” 8MP CMOS camera sensor. That could be the discrepancy you describe.
I'd like to know more about this HQ patch you mention. Where is it, does it work with GB roms?
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@fuzi I knew I had seen a topic about those details before. I have a launch model that most likely has the Sony sensor, and I've been thoroughly impressed by it during all this time. Can anyone with the Samsung sensor that was probably released on the later batches (in I think November and February maybe?) give any feedback on their images?
@siani & fuzi The original thread is here, just copy the latter half of the broken up link: /showthread.php?t=1533238
I couldn't find the thread where I originally got this link in, either on the themes & apps board or the dev board, but I might have missed the topic. I flashed the zip labeled for vinq in cwm, so i can't comment on how well other sense ICS roms work with it. I do not think it will work for GB roms. In that thread, there is a standard and an ultra flashable. I am about 90% positive I flashed the standard zip, I think the ultra package only improves upon the 1080p video performance over the standard package, which our ICS is sorely lacking the capability for anyhow.
If anyone is interested in pictures I can dig through my archives and put some examples up.
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@fuzi I knew I had seen a topic about those details before. I have a launch model that most likely has the Sony sensor, and I've been thoroughly impressed by it during all this time. Can anyone with the Samsung sensor that was probably released on the later batches (in I think November and February maybe?) give any feedback on their images?
@siani & fuzi The original thread is here, just copy the latter half of the broken up link: /showthread.php?t=1533238
I couldn't find the thread where I originally got this link in, either on the themes & apps board or the dev board, but I might have missed the topic. I flashed the zip labeled for vinq in cwm, so i can't comment on how well other sense ICS roms work with it. I do not think it will work for GB roms. In that thread, there is a standard and an ultra flashable. I am about 90% positive I flashed the standard zip, I think the ultra package only improves upon the 1080p video performance over the standard package, which our ICS is sorely lacking the capability for anyhow.
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Thank you. I believe I have one with the Sony sensor, as well. I will look for the HQ package. The camera issue is one of the main things that keeps me coming back to Miktouch. Man, I wish HTC would just do the right thing and produce an ICS or JB for this phone.
EDIT: Ah, I see the HQ packages are only for Sense 3.6 or Sense4 ROMs. I've given up on those for now, just too many annoying quirks for my use.
Ok just came back from vacation will do a shootout later and Xperia Pro is a phone made by sony.
With regards to low light pictures it boasts it's own exmor R sensor which was made by sony specifically for low light capturing.
Here's a quick info of what it is.
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/technology/technology/theme/exmor_r_01.html
And here's Xperia Pro
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_pro-3779.php