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Advice for a Newb?

I have an Inspire 4G/Desire HD and while this isn't my first android phone (Backflip and Aria) This is the first time I seriously considered rooting. I don't find battery life to be that much of an issue, but I want to root for the customization options i.e font changes and the such, however I don't know where to begin. Im confused about doing NANDroid backups and flashing roms and radios. sorry if a similiar topic has been posted already. And if I do root I'm looking for something with gingerbread for my phone.
BTw. My phone received the 4G enabling update back in april

CrimsonJSRF said:
I have an Inspire 4G/Desire HD and while this isn't my first android phone (Backflip and Aria) This is the first time I seriously considered rooting. I don't find battery life to be that much of an issue, but I want to root for the customization options i.e font changes and the such, however I don't know where to begin. Im confused about doing NANDroid backups and flashing roms and radios. sorry if a similiar topic has been posted already. And if I do root I'm looking for something with gingerbread for my phone.
BTw. My phone received the 4G enabling update back in april
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For the HTC Inspire, go here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1018 and for the HTC Desire HD, go here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=765. Choose any rom you like. Have fun.
P.S. - You should have posted this in your device specific forum.

I wasn't sure if it belonged there because I was asking for general advice on rooting, but thank you for your help. Is there anyway for me to get this moved to the Inspire 4G forum

CrimsonJSRF said:
I wasn't sure if it belonged there because I was asking for general advice on rooting, but thank you for your help. Is there anyway for me to get this moved to the Inspire 4G forum
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A moderator can move it. Maybe you could ask one but remember they are very busy. Udk is a moderator for this forum so he could move it.

Okay, thank you

custom rom, root, ... general questions

right now i got a branded sensation. so far im quite satisfied with it. the only thing is, i would be glad to get root f.e. to get to the database file for the sense weather to add new locations.
for me i dont really need any custom rom by now. its my first android device and as said i like sense so far.
as i read through here, i think the problem for now is to get root on the device. if this would be possible, flashing new roms would be possible right?
so my question is:
is it more problematic to get root or to get a new rom? if htc will open the bootloader, will it be possible to get sense with root automaticlly? or is it still needed to find a way to get root in htc roms?
in custiom roms there should be no problem to get root right?
sorry if this all sounds lame or something but as said, this is my first android device. it try to read as much as i can
thx in advance for any answer!

Heyo. You can find all answers here: How to root the HTC Sensation

hehe saw this link allready in another thread can imagine what it is
but back to topic pls

crazy cat said:
Heyo. You can find all answers here: How to root the HTC Sensation
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I've got an error when I apply this but I can't tell you. What can I do?

pls sto pthat offtopic ****
i dont wann know how to do such things as by now it isnt possible. i just want to know if there will be unlocked bootloader, is it automaticly possible to get a root enabled stock rom?
or do we still need another way to get root on stock roms?

daSn00p said:
pls sto pthat offtopic ****
i dont wann know how to do such things as by now it isnt possible. i just want to know if there will be unlocked bootloader, is it automaticly possible to get a root enabled stock rom?
or do we still need another way to get root on stock roms?
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No. Unlocked bootloader will not automatically mean you'll get root. It's only a way for us to get root by another software running in the backround..
HTC already confirmed an unlocked bootloader in the near future..
For an offtopic discussion, custom roms will allways be better as they have no bloatware and includes tweaks to lots of stuff like ram management, oc kernels, gfx patches, deodexed and so on...
I hope this answered your question and please try to be nice on the forums.. people tend to reply nicer that way...
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA Premium App

daSn00p said:
pls sto pthat offtopic ****
i dont wann know how to do such things as by now it isnt possible. i just want to know if there will be unlocked bootloader, is it automaticly possible to get a root enabled stock rom?
or do we still need another way to get root on stock roms?
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I'll be nice, right now you will have to wait till the update comes out from HTC. Theres no other way right now. But next time please use the search button
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA Premium App

i was nice all the time just said stop that ot things.
READ MY POST: I KONW IT ISNT POSSIBLE NOW AND I DONT ASK FOR A METHODE TO DO ANYTHING LIKE ROOT OR CUSTOM ROM!
so isnt there a way to modify android and/or sense to get root on the stock fw? thought both are open source.
for sure this still requieres an open bootloader and maybe someone would say even this would be a custom rom

daSn00p said:
i was nice all the time just said stop that ot things.
READ MY POST: I KONW IT ISNT POSSIBLE NOW AND I DONT ASK FOR A METHODE TO DO ANYTHING LIKE ROOT OR CUSTOM ROM!
so isnt there a way to modify android and/or sense to get root on the stock fw? thought both are open source.
for sure this still requieres an open bootloader and maybe someone would say even this would be a custom rom
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Android really isnt fully Open Source, HTC Sense and their phones aint Open Source.. Even if it is running Android in the bottom, HTC owns Sense UI.
The bootloader is pretty much locking you untill it gets hacked or HTC releases its opened one..

You labeled the topic GENERAL questions, but didn't see fit to place it in the GENERAL or Q&A forum?
This is in no way development related.

daSn00p, please buy an iPhone. Android isn´t for you. You can´t sure, you don´t know how to use an form - you are the perfect iPhone user

crazy cat said:
Heyo. You can find all answers here: How to root the HTC Sensation
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I always love watching this, knowing all the well that we are waiting for htc to bless us with their knowledge...
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App

@all: stop ot pls
@crazycat: i would never buy an iphone. "You can´t sure, you don´t know how to use an form" doesnt make sense to me sorry, dunno what u want.

moved to Q&A
questions appear to be answered. flamers please stop the pettiness.
thread closed

I need professional help please

Dear professionals,
I'm having a problem and I really need your help.
I have bought the "HTC Desire S" off ebay and it came out to be Orange locked, I have unlocked it successfully however it still has Orange ROM and all the useless Orange apps, can someone please tell me how to remove it and install a regular official ROM as they r very annoying and the ROM has no updates..
I appreciate your help
thank you very much in advance

yahyoohy said:
Dear professionals,
I'm having a problem and I really need your help.
I have bought the "HTC Desire S" off ebay and it came out to be Orange locked, I have unlocked it successfully however it still has Orange ROM and all the useless Orange apps, can someone please tell me how to remove it and install a regular official ROM as they r very annoying and the ROM has no updates..
I appreciate your help
thank you very much in advance
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THIS IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT THREAD.
In answer to your question, open your eye's and read.....there are sticky's in the forum that have all the answers....make an effort!
I don't know how you managed to post in this area with only 4 posts...anyway...forum fail!
EDIT: Have requested that mod move thread

ben_pyett said:
I don't know how you managed to post in this area with only 4 posts...anyway...forum fail!
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you can do that using the mobile app i guess.

ben_pyett said:
THIS IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT THREAD.
In answer to your question, open your eye's and read.....there are sticky's in the forum that have all the answers....make an effort!
I don't know how you managed to post in this area with only 4 posts...anyway...forum fail!
EDIT: Have requested that mod move thread
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take it easy, u might hurt ur self

ok its not quite in the right place, but no need to bite his head off.
anyway, in answer to your question, the way i removed the branding from my vodafone DS was this
http://revolutionary.io/ download this tool and follow its instructions, this will root your phone and give you a recovery tool that will allow you to flash a new ROM onto your phone.
With the phone rooted, you will be able to back up your data using an app from the market. Titanium Backup is the usual favorite.
EDIT : may be wrong about it providing root, I personally skipped the backup step as I had no data to lose, but if that is the case there are guides in the forums for obtaining root access
next look through this forum to find a ROM that suits your needs, from the sound of things you want the stock one, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1230029 should suit you.
download the zip file and transfer it to your SD card.
next you need to reboot into your recovery mode by turning the phone off, then hold the vol down button and power button together and selecting recovery from the menu
finally use the volume buttons to select install zip from SD card, and point it at your downloaded rom. it may take a few mins so allow it to finish then select reboot phone.
again this first boot may take a little time, but once its up you should have a debranded ROM as if you had just bought the phone new.
Add the details for your google account and redownload your backup app so you can restore your data and you are good to go

thank you very much for your help,
I shall give it a try,
by the way, will be able to install official updates on it, or will I have to stick with custom ROMs for ever?
thanks again

yahyoohy said:
thank you very much for your help,
I shall give it a try,
by the way, will be able to install official updates on it, or will I have to stick with custom ROMs for ever?
thanks again
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Nooo, not forever. Just until you get a new device
But seriously: Custom roms don't work with official updates. The trick is that most of the custom rom developers provide their own flashable updates for their roms. The difference is in the way you perform the update. There are even fairly developed custom roms, like MIUI, which have their own over-the-air updates (actually more often than official updates are coming.)
EDIT: In fact, you can switch back to a stock rom anytime and get the official updates back.
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ben_pyett said:
THIS IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT THREAD.
In answer to your question, open your eye's and read.....there are sticky's in the forum that have all the answers....make an effort!
I don't know how you managed to post in this area with only 4 posts...anyway...forum fail!
EDIT: Have requested that mod move thread
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Hi Ben, had a bad day perhaps?

Hi Ben, had a bad day perhaps?
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lol, possibly....hello,
although a lot of effort had been put into creating a lot of resources which are very user friendly, so it's quiet frustrating when they aren't even looked at.
Plus development is for just that, which is why the moderator moved the thread.
Swyped from my Desire S using XDA Premium

ben_pyett said:
lol, possibly....hello,
although a lot of effort had been put into creating a lot of resources which are very user friendly, so it's quiet frustrating when they aren't even looked at.
Plus development is for just that, which is why the moderator moved the thread.
Swyped from my Desire S using XDA Premium
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Hi man,
I really appreciate what guys u r doing here, its just I’m a newB here, this is my first android phone, all I want someone to direct me where to find the info I need … no need for the attitude.
Keep it up guys

mimirom said:
Nooo, not forever. Just until you get a new device
But seriously: Custom roms don't work with official updates. The trick is that most of the custom rom developers provide their own flashable updates for their roms. The difference is in the way you perform the update. There are even fairly developed custom roms, like MIUI, which have their own over-the-air updates (actually more often than official updates are coming.)
EDIT: In fact, you can switch back to a stock rom anytime and get the official updates back.
Thanks for the info mimirom
OK, I understand... but how do I get the official stock rom?, and by stock that means it has no Orange apps at all right ?
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Once unlocked, i.e. rooted, you can use titanium backup or a root file explorer to uninstall the apps you don't need from the rom you are running atm.
(@ben - what was it you said to me th other day? "no need to sound off" ... hm)
Sent from my HTC Desire S

yahyoohy said:
Thanks for the info mimirom
OK, I understand... but how do I get the official stock rom?, and by stock that means it has no Orange apps at all right ?
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Well, again: read around the forum a little, please. There is a sticky thread right on the top of the development section, called ROMS/RECOVERY/ROOT etc. It's a must read for newcomers. Very useful thread. There you find a link to a collection of stock roms. These are distributed as .exe files, so you can run them in windows and a simple-to-use installer will pop up and help you with pushing the stock rom to your phone. It is advisable that you double check that you are flashing the rom you really want. Someone here will help you to choose the right one.
EDIT: By the way in the general section (where we are now with this thread) there is also a very useful sticky. It's called Guide for Newcomers to Android. Seriously, it's a good read, given that you own an Android phone...

mimirom said:
Well, again: read around the forum a little, please. There is a sticky thread right on the top of the development section, called ROMS/RECOVERY/ROOT etc. It's a must read for newcomers. Very useful thread. There you find a link to a collection of stock roms. These are distributed as .exe files, so you can run them in windows and a simple-to-use installer will pop up and help you with pushing the stock rom to your phone. It is advisable that you double check that you are flashing the rom you really want. Someone here will help you to choose the right one.
EDIT: By the way in the general section (where we are now with this thread) there is also a very useful sticky. It's called Guide for Newcomers to Android. Seriously, it's a good read, given that you own an Android phone...
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OK man, I will do that, thanks for the tips

Thanks chris5s, Ill definitely give it a shot.

This tool would help to get rid of the annoying Orange splash screen, and other useless apps could be removed as stated before.
Of course, best way is to install generic HTC European rom or custom rom of your choice.
Aforementioned tool would also help install roms, radios, etc, of your choice.
Good luck
Peace
Edit: sorry, Android flasher won't help install roms, but will help with installing custom recovery - Ext4 or Clockwork Mod - essential in s-off/rooted flashing.

[Q] Updating my new Desire S

Hello,
First of all, thanks for this great forum, i'm new to android and being here is really helpful.
I've read some of the guides posted, still i'd like to have some tips and infos.
I'm from Italy and my Desire S is still working on Gingerbread (!). I would like to update the firmware, if not to Jelly Bean (since the custom one is still beta, but advise me here), at least to ICS, but i don't know the routine to follow (ROOT, then Flash one of the custom ROMS? Being in S-Off mode is needed i guess). Another thing i don't get is flashing radios..
Help would be really appreciated, THANKS.

There is nothing to tell you that you can't find by reading the stickies and understanding what to do.

SimonTS said:
There is nothing to tell you that you can't find by reading the stickies and understanding what to do.
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i know, im asking just because im new and not secure of the routine to follow. thanks anyway

el_d4rio said:
Hello,
First of all, thanks for this great forum, i'm new to android and being here is really helpful.
I've read some of the guides posted, still i'd like to have some tips and infos.
I'm from Italy and my Desire S is still working on Gingerbread (!). I would like to update the firmware, if not to Jelly Bean (since the custom one is still beta, but advise me here), at least to ICS, but i don't know the routine to follow (ROOT, then Flash one of the custom ROMS? Being in S-Off mode is needed i guess). Another thing i don't get is flashing radios..
Help would be really appreciated, THANKS.
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If you haven't messed with your phone, i.e. rooted it, flashed any fancy thirty party rom, etc, and the phone is running official HTC ROM and in the exact same state as you bought it, I'd suggest OTA and upgrade to official ICS since you are new to android. Go to setting - about phone then update from there.
If you'd like to try other ROMs then there's plenty guide in this forum already.

Imo official 4.0.4 is a bad idea.
1) It has bugs
2) hboot 2.02 cannot be downgraded without htcdev
Sent from my HTC Desire S

amidabuddha said:
Imo official 4.0.4 is a bad idea.
1) It has bugs
2) hboot 2.02 cannot be downgraded without htcdev
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My Desire S is new and "untouched". For what i had got, the official htc release is to be installed manually and has some issues, so I had thought a custom and more recent ROM would have been better.

el_d4rio said:
My Desire S is new and "untouched". For what i had got, the official htc release is to be installed manually and has some issues, so I had thought a custom and more recent ROM would have been better.
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Then use revolutionary (S-OFF) not unlock via htcdev.com, 4ext recovery and you are good to go
If you are on Sense 3 you will have to downgrade in order to use Revolutionary.io
And of course I concider the ROM in my signature as the best to date

amidabuddha said:
Then use revolutionary (S-OFF) not unlock via htcdev.com, 4ext recovery and you are good to go
If you are on Sense 3 you will have to downgrade in order to use Revolutionary.io
And of course I concider the ROM in my signature as the best to date
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Thanks, after revolutionary (i'm on sense 2) rooting? Is yours a JB ROM? Anyway, checking on updates from the phone, i got a client FOTA Update. Should i do it?

el_d4rio said:
Thanks, after revolutionary (i'm on sense 2) rooting? Is yours a JB ROM? Anyway, checking on updates from the phone, i got a client FOTA Update. Should i do it?
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If you are going custom better not use OTA
Revolutionary will install custom recovery so the next thing will be a backup of your stock ROM and installing the Rom.zip from the sdcard via the recovery. No rooting, because all custom ROMs are pre-rooted.
My ROM is ICS, there is no complete stable JB yet but once you have s-off you can try them all within minutes. And do not forget to sync/backup your data (contacts, etc) to Google or with some app from the Play Store. And read some guides before starting anything. I am just giving you directions not a tutorial
Sent from my HTC Desire S

amidabuddha said:
If you are going custom better not use OTA
Revolutionary will install custom recovery so the next thing will be a backup of your stock ROM and installing the Rom.zip from the sdcard via the recovery. No rooting, because all custom ROMs are pre-rooted.
My ROM is ICS, there is no complete stable JB yet but once you have s-off you can try them all within minutes. And do not forget to sync/backup your data (contacts, etc) to Google or with some app from the Play Store. And read some guides before starting anything. I am just giving you directions not a tutorial
Sent from my HTC Desire S
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So why do you "root"? Just to unlock the phone without touching the FW?
Going custom i guess it's the only way, because htc is not going to update anymore, so better learn how to.
Anyway THANKS A LOT, it's more clear now

el_d4rio said:
so why do you "root"? Just to unlock the phone without touching the FW?
Anyway THANKS A LOT, it's more clear now
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Yes you can root your current software (the stock one) if you need just root for an app or something specific without changing the software.
But going custom means to run Android and Sense version which you will never have officially. And they all come pre-rooted
Sent from my HTC Desire S

One last thing amida... What's the difference between the various Sense versions? Just the theme? Will it be updated along with the installation of a custom ROM?
THANKS AGAIN

el_d4rio said:
One last thing amida... What's the difference between the various Sense versions? Just the theme? Will it be updated along with the installation of a custom ROM?
THANKS AGAIN
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They have different versions, because they are ported from different devices and there are difference between them. Not only visual but also performance.
More info about each ROM you will find in the first post of its thread.
Sent from my HTC Desire S

hello amida, i'm starting to update now... so im gonna do: s-off, recovery, 4ext choosing one of the customs. Which step should i do an image of my stock ROM in (so i can go back if needed) and how? Can you also recommend me an application for my datas backup?
THANKS

el_d4rio said:
hello amida, i'm starting to update now... so im gonna do: s-off, recovery, 4ext choosing one of the customs. Which step should i do an image of my stock ROM in (so i can go back if needed) and how? Can you also recommend me an application for my datas backup?
THANKS
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The best app for applications and data backup is titanium backup. It also allows you to make a flashable update zip you can flash after installing a new rom
Research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing. ~Wernher Von Braun

jugg1es said:
The best app for applications and data backup is titanium backup. It also allows you to make a flashable update zip you can flash after installing a new rom
Research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing. ~Wernher Von Braun
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Ok, and for saving an image of my stock ROM, just in case i need to go back?

Nandroid backup is a part of the recovery and not an app.
Start reading instead of asking, please. The procedure is covered a million times in a million places.
To the answering guys, (almost) off-topic:
I have a riddle for you, or actually, a somewhat sad observation to share and see your opinions. Since this thread is one of the examples for what I'm going to talk about, and it's useless anyway, I won't feel any remorse diverting it.
I've seen several threads during the last couple of weeks where a random noob got the best out of one of the knowledgeable members of the community - in this and other forums - and they helped him instead of sending him to read stuff that he was supposed to be reading to know the answer.
In absolutely all of those threads, noob questions continued and deteriorated to the most basic ones. There wasn't even one thread where the noob wouldn't continue with flood of basic FAQ-sort of questions.
I've wrote in a couple of them more or less what I wrote here - an unpleasant message to stop the flood of baby questions.
All of the noobs were offended.
All of the noobs actually searched and found their answer after that message, and stopped the flood (with a message that here, they were so great they actually found everything themselves).
It's kinda sad, don't you think? Quite a few times bad treatment seems the most efficient way to achieve the best results... Guess there's no miraculous other way I'm missing, or maybe there is?
(P.S. I'm also moderating a local motorcyclists forum, and keeping the same harsh line in technical sub-forum. Works 100% for >5 years already. But sometimes it gets you wondering about human nature...)

Jack_R1 said:
Nandroid backup is a part of the recovery and not an app.
Start reading instead of asking, please. The procedure is covered a million times in a million places.
To the answering guys, (almost) off-topic:
I have a riddle for you, or actually, a somewhat sad observation to share and see your opinions. Since this thread is one of the examples for what I'm going to talk about, and it's useless anyway, I won't feel any remorse diverting it.
I've seen several threads during the last couple of weeks where a random noob got the best out of one of the knowledgeable members of the community - in this and other forums - and they helped him instead of sending him to read stuff that he was supposed to be reading to know the answer.
In absolutely all of those threads, noob questions continued and deteriorated to the most basic ones. There wasn't even one thread where the noob wouldn't continue with flood of basic FAQ-sort of questions.
I've wrote in a couple of them more or less what I wrote here - an unpleasant message to stop the flood of baby questions.
All of the noobs were offended.
All of the noobs actually searched and found their answer after that message, and stopped the flood (with a message that here, they were so great they actually found everything themselves).
It's kinda sad, don't you think? Quite a few times bad treatment seems the most efficient way to achieve the best results... Guess there's no miraculous other way I'm missing, or maybe there is?
(P.S. I'm also moderating a local motorcyclists forum, and keeping the same harsh line in technical sub-forum. Works 100% for >5 years already. But sometimes it gets you wondering about human nature...)
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don't worry i'm not offended... i read most of the stuff and guides out here, not taking just a minute to post the thread and having everyhting done by someone else.. i just needed directions! Anyway, if you don't want this kinda stuff in the forum, just put it in the registration form, newbies not accepted, and the prolem is solved

There is another thing that's floating around
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA

yup

[Q] BEST ROM for Atrix4G

Hi! I'm a newbie to the forums and I have recently rooted my phone with gingerbreak and i've unlocked the bootloader.
I have rom manager and clockworkmod all set for the new rom installation, and i just backed up my old rom.
Now, can anyone tell me what's the BEST ROM for atrix 4g MB860 out there?
Thanks.

Shaxxi said:
Hi! I'm a newbie to the forums and I have recently rooted my phone with gingerbreak and i've unlocked the bootloader.
I have rom manager and clockworkmod all set for the new rom installation, and i just backed up my old rom.
Now, can anyone tell me what's the BEST ROM for atrix 4g MB860 out there?
Thanks.
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You'll need to checkout the Atrix 4G Android Development section for finding all ROMs available for the device. Read through user reviews and select the best one of your choice. Also, when asking about which is the Best ROM, you'll get 10 different opinions from different people. So its all upto your needs to use the one of your choice.

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I would move it for you, but there's a good chance it would get closed in that forum too. Best ROM threads/questions are generally frowned upon around here due to the type of responses (mostly negative) and bickering they tend to generate. Try them out for yourself and see what works for you.