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I don't know about anybody else, but when I had my captivate, I would frequent these boards and download just about any ROM I could get my hands on for the quest for a better phone.
Since getting the Inspire a week ago, it seems as though now I frequent the forums just to read. I have no ambition to have anything but the stock ROM because it is just that pleasant to use.
In fact, I really don't even think I want to root.....not really much of a need anymore other that Titanium backup and easy sideloading.
This is the first smartphone I have been truly pleased with out of the box.
If I could get the wifi hotspot to work consistently I think I would skip the root too. I am coming from a bone stock Nexus one. I really like vanilla android, but Sense does add a nice touch.
bmolloy said:
If I could get the wifi hotspot to work consistently I think I would skip the root too. I am coming from a bone stock Nexus one. I really like vanilla android, but Sense does add a nice touch.
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have you tried this thread?
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I don't know about anybody else, but when I had my captivate, I would frequent these boards and download just about any ROM I could get my hands on for the quest for a better phone. My thoughts exactly. Well said.
Since getting the Inspire a week ago, it seems as though now I frequent the forums just to read. I have no ambition to have anything but the stock ROM because it is just that pleasant to use.
In fact, I really don't even think I want to root.....not really much of a need anymore other that Titanium backup and easy sideloading.
This is the first smartphone I have been truly pleased with out of the box.
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This phone is amazing stock.... I just caved to my insatiable flashing addiction. it's relieving having a phone that just works. And the unibody metal is awesome
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have you tried this thread?
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Ya What he said! Just rember to reboot everytime you change your apn. it works great and from the testing i have done and speaking with ATT they cant tell the difference..
Agreed, but
I loved this phone out of the box, but i have to tinker. It is a problem i have. I rooted and have tried just about every ROM out there. Nothing is quite as good as stock, but there are some really good ones out.
If you are happy with your phone, i say leave it. But if you want to root, this phone should be great as the devs start working with source and cooking up great ROMS and kernels.
The only tinkering I want to do now is theming. I will patiently wait for someone to deodex the stock Rom.
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so i got bored and tried flashing a samsung galaxy s 4g leaked 2.3.4 rom... i did it thru odin everything went fine after it got done flashing, sound booted up but screen did not turn on for me... i tried taking the battery out and turning it back on... nothing but the sound coming on, then i tried going into download mode it wouldnt let me. so i guess i bricked it. but anyways went to tmobile got a new sidekick. so my question is if im able to flash thru odin successfully and the boot sound comes on, is it possible to flash a samsung galaxy s 4g rom if a dev put some work into it?
It shoulb be possible but first the would have to still get a. Ginger kernel that works with our hardware
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Odin flashing is nothing but a special way of writing data to the flash memory on the phone. It in no way means the software being flash works on the platform it was copied to.
just because the sound driver works, doesn't mean that anything that actually matters would work.
You could use JIG to force it into download
2.6.35 kernel source for Galaxy S Series phones was released by Samsung. So someone good enough to do it should be able to now. Its just finding a developer good enough to do it.
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Although it's technically possible, our phone has entirely different modules and drivers from every other Galaxy S phone. So although yes, there is technically a source for the Galaxy S, there's no source for our specific phone.
Shouldnt matter. The Dream and Sapphire didnt. They were never meant to have GB. Same with some other phones. It needs build for our phones using those sources.
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The dream and sapphire have a team of the best devs that exist on Android, including Cyan himself. Half of those devs work for HTC or Samsung. Building the general Galaxy s source for our phone wouldn't even boot correctly, as it wouldn't have any drivers to make any of the hardware work.
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The dream and sapphire have a team of the best devs that exist on Android, including Cyan himself. Half of those devs work for HTC or Samsung. Building the general Galaxy s source for our phone wouldn't even boot correctly, as it wouldn't have any drivers to make any of the hardware work.
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They do have the best developers. Cyanogen is not one of them anymore. And hasn't been in quite a while. None of them work for any companys like that except for Cyanogen. I didn't say to just build the source. I said to use the source to tweak and build for the sidekick. It can be done. I wish I could do it.
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There's a reason that there's no CM7 on the Dream/Sapphire, and that's because CM quit developing for it. there's plenty of them that work for companies. the hardware changes for the sidekick require much more than just minimal tweaks, that would require essentially rewriting drivers to be a part of a new kernel.
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There's a reason that there's no CM7 on the Dream/Sapphire, and that's because CM quit developing for it. there's plenty of them that work for companies. the hardware changes for the sidekick require much more than just minimal tweaks, that would require essentially rewriting drivers to be a part of a new kernel.
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There is CM 7.1 for the Dream/Sapphire because me and a few others have built it. Cyanogen only quit developing for it officially. And i didnt say minimal tweaks. I said tweak. I understand its a lot of work thats why i said we need some developers here good enough and willing to do it.
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Then go find some. If you're not going to appreciate the devs who are here, who try their best to work on this phone, then do it yourself. If you can't do it, then find other devs, or be grateful for the time we put into our work on this phone, rather than constantly telling us that we are inadequate.
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Then go find some. If you're not going to appreciate the devs who are here, who try their best to work on this phone, then do it yourself. If you can't do it, then find other devs, or be grateful for the time we put into our work on this phone, rather than constantly telling us that we are inadequate.
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Never once did i say you guys were inadequate. I appreciate your guys work. I was just saying we need a developer that knows how to bring us CM. No reason to get mean. I never said the roms here were bad. We need these roms. A variety is good. Not everyone wants CM. But some do. How did you take anything i said as being directed to you? And if you want to be truthful. You guys are constantly taking shots at revolutions work. So calm down just a bit. We all appreciate the work you do. And if i could bring CM to the Sidekick, trust me, i would. And also trust that i have been trying to find other devs to bring CM to the Sidekick.
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I work with Revolution on things that he needs help with, I haven't been taking shots at him. Some do, but I don't. My apologies if it was misplaced, I guess I had lumped you in with all the kids who were so used to having CM that they expected it to be done within a month of the phone release, and got super upset when it wasn't done, my bad.
If nothing else, this has made me want to try porting the kernel again, I'm gonna give it another shot, to see if I can come up with another way to do it. We'll see what happens, once again, my bad, I'm sorry.
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I work with Revolution on things that he needs help with, I haven't been taking shots at him. Some do, but I don't. My apologies if it was misplaced, I guess I had lumped you in with all the kids who were so used to having CM that they expected it to be done within a month of the phone release, and got super upset when it wasn't done, my bad.
If nothing else, this has made me want to try porting the kernel again, I'm gonna give it another shot, to see if I can come up with another way to do it. We'll see what happens, once again, my bad, I'm sorry.
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I didnt mean to come off as a prick. I definetely know it will take time. Of course i want it, but i can wait. Good luck with the kernel. Hope you get it. Im sorry also.
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I know you're still actively working on the CM 7.1 project for the D/S, did you have any interest in working with us on projects for the Sidekick?
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I know you're still actively working on the CM 7.1 project for the D/S, did you have any interest in working with us on projects for the Sidekick?
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Id love to. But, right now my internet is off. As soon as its back up and running then id be glad to do what i can to help when im not working on the Dream/Sapphire. I want to try to keep CM alive for them. Ill let you know as soon as its back up and running.
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I had a G2. When I rooted, I had step by step instructions to use ADB from my Windows 7 64 machine. I used the Clockworkmod recovery and got the latest (february this year) stable Cyanogen. Eventually I got the nightly addiction.
Now I have a MT4GS and rooted it first thing so I could restore my Titanium backups. The recovery is revolutionary and it seems that everyone else is using something else.
CM7 was so fully complete that I forgot how bad the rest of the world was. I had the latest Swype beta and using the current one with the phone is OK but is missing some of my favorite features.
So, to my question: Is there anything that is close to full featured as CM7? One thing I truly love about my current installation is the camera app.
When I have looked into using other ROM's, I keep seeing other recovery roms listed than the one I have.
Bottom line is what is out there? What are the differences between the recoveries? What about the camera app? I could care less if sense is gone. I don't use it and I have a bunch of apps that do what I want.
Sorry for rambling but I like to explore and tweak, I have some experience with computers , I understand most of it but I am not a programmer.
Can I get some step by step help? I would aprpeciate it very much.
Thanks.
How about CM7 there is an alpha release for our phone
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We are all hoping the Doubleshots gets more Dev support...it takes a while once a phone launches...this phone has a bit against it...the Sensation came out first...physical keyboards are a dying breed....and yeah the Sensation came out first...lol....but as more people find out they are doing warrenty exchanges from the glacier to the Doubleshot hopefully the community will continue to grow.
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We are all hoping the Doubleshots gets more Dev support...it takes a while once a phone launches...this phone has a bit against it...the Sensation came out first...physical keyboards are a dying breed....and yeah the Sensation came out first...lol....but as more people find out they are doing warrenty exchanges from the glacier to the Doubleshot hopefully the community will continue to grow.
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And again, untill ICS, the only way to have the current camera is with a sense rom.
It will never be included in a CM7 rom, or work on a CM7 rom.
There are third party camera apps that come close, but nothing as good as the included camera.
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And again, untill ICS, the only way to have the current camera is with a sense rom.
It will never be included in a CM7 rom, or work on a CM7 rom.
There are third party camera apps that come close, but nothing as good as the included camera.
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And, for this reason, I have gone straight back to the factory rom.
I have paid for and got for free (amazon app of the day) half a dozen camera apps. None, in my opinion, come close to the original.
As of a couple of weeks ago, there was no clockworkmod recovery. After reading a reply to my original message, I found that there is. I used rom manager (paid version) to download and install the CM7 alpha and the google apps. It brought back fond memories of my G2. I was happy. Then I tried the camera. Then I tried the several camera apps I got for the G2 and nothing can take a great picture quickly and then go to the next.
So, my original question was answered. I now know where to find the CW recovery and I know where to find some roms on rom manager.
What is available for this phone that has the great customization of CM7 AND the camera app?
Thanks again for all the responses.
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And, for this reason, I have gone straight back to the factory rom.
I have paid for and got for free (amazon app of the day) half a dozen camera apps. None, in my opinion, come close to the original.
As of a couple of weeks ago, there was no clockworkmod recovery. After reading a reply to my original message, I found that there is. I used rom manager (paid version) to download and install the CM7 alpha and the google apps. It brought back fond memories of my G2. I was happy. Then I tried the camera. Then I tried the several camera apps I got for the G2 and nothing can take a great picture quickly and then go to the next.
So, my original question was answered. I now know where to find the CW recovery and I know where to find some roms on rom manager.
What is available for this phone that has the great customization of CM7 AND the camera app?
Thanks again for all the responses.
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Go to my sig and look under roms. All of our roms our there. With how to install them in recovery mode which is volume up+ power.
I suggest if you want a cm7 feel with sense try undeadk9's senseless, best thing to do is try them out nandroid em, that way you have all of our roms. We have about 5 and if you do that you can switch roms at ease.
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I've got a question. I posed this question in a different thread, but thought that it'd spark an interesting discussion for T-Mobile customers.
HTC announced that they won't be releasing ICS until late March, but what about T-Mobile?
Do I have to wait until HTC releases ICS to T-Mobile, and then wait until T-Mobile decides to release ICS to the public via OTA?
That would really suck if we have to wait even more time for T-Mobile to bloat the crap out of ICS when HTC releases ICS in late March
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Since people have interpreted my post incorrectly, here's a quick statement to address the issue -
You guys misunderstood me. Let me make this clear:
I am not bashing custom ROMs. I am not bashing developers. I know that devs put a lot of time and effort to bring custom ROMs to XDA members, and I greatly appreciate that.
I am not saying that an OTA update will be far superior to a custom ROM.
I choose not to root my phone and install a custom ROM because I have issues following directions. Inevitably, I would screw something up and have a phone with limited capabilities. I can't risk that happening to me, because my job requires me to have a fully functional phone 24/7.
I apologize if you guys took my post the wrong way. In no way did I mean any disrespect to XDA or developers of custom ROMs.
first off why are you waiting ics is out now
second yes tmob sprint att vr will always bloat it up with there stuff like wifi calling and there crap so ota is off by a few eeeks or months UNLESS YOU COME HERE look is dev section for ics cant miss it
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first off why are you waiting ics is out now
second yes tmob sprint att vr will always bloat it up with there stuff like wifi calling and there crap so ota is off by a few eeeks or months UNLESS YOU COME HERE look is dev section for ics cant miss it
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You think I'm stupid or something? I KNOW that ICS custom ROMs are available right now.
I purposely choose not to install a custom ROM due to the countless issues that people report. I need a stable phone and my job requires me to have a functioning phone 24/7. I can't test out custom ROMs for that reason.
I'm waiting for ICS over OTA.
Last time HTC promised an OTA for the Sensation 4G (2.3.4), they were on time. I think they're probably working with T-Mobile to deliver it by March.
Well I think so to man .... All this help help **** I keep seeing after someone flashes a new Rom is getting old that's what u get for ****ing with the OS ... On the phone people should just wait for the real HTC ice cream ....
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For custom ROM's on ICS, they are perfectly stable now, many hundreds of users are happy using them as daily drivers.
For T-Mobile, we alread have WiFi calling perfectly functional (which is lucky because T-Mobile havent updated their app since 2.3.4) so if you want to waste time waiting for OTA, that is up to you but you won't get anything a custom ROM doesn't already give you
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ufokid22 said:
Well I think so to man .... All this help help **** I keep seeing after someone flashes a new Rom is getting old that's what u get for ****ing with the OS ... On the phone people should just wait for the real HTC ice cream ....
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That's a bit harsh and too much of a generalization. I'd be willing to bet money most of the "help help ****" you refer to is mainly because some people don't take the time to read the directions carefully before trying things out. I'm a bit paranoid myself and tend to read things over several times before trying something new. If you want to wait for the OTA that's your choice, just remember you don't get to complain about how long it takes
I am a T-Mobile USA user and I use ARHD http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14192842&postcount=4 With no issues. My browser works, my GPS works, my email works, my camera /camcorder works, my WIFI calling works... please actually test a rom before you make a statement on how they don't work and you want a "stable" phone. All you have to do is make a backup of your current stock rom and flash a custom rom on your day off...
Most of custom sense roms are more stable than stock. The devs here have eliminated almost all the issues that HTC created. Custom roms are faster, have better battery life and make our phones work as they should. The majority of those people that complain and ask for help about stuff that they broke are lazy and dont take the time to read the instructions or even search for an answer! So you have to try something to judge it. The devs put a lot of time and effort on that builts and they do it for free!
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Most of custom sense roms are more stable than stock. The devs here have eliminated almost all the issues that HTC created. Custom roms are faster, have better battery life and make our phones work as they should. The majority of those people that complain and ask for help about stuff that they broke are lazy and dont take the time to read the instructions or even search for an answer! So you have to try something to judge it. The devs put a lot of time and effort on that builts and they do it for free!
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It's really happening that people just ask without even searching. Most of them ask about common issues and it's impossible not to find an answer in a thread like ARHD 6.2.1 which has literally 5000+ pages of posts in it.
ufokid22 said:
Well I think so to man .... All this help help **** I keep seeing after someone flashes a new Rom is getting old that's what u get for ****ing with the OS ... On the phone people should just wait for the real HTC ice cream ....
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I *kinda* see where you're coming from there.
The thing is, people have the right to "**** with the OS" all they want since they paid a premium for the phone but some people flash ROMs without taking risks into account and then ***** about problems without trying to search for solutions in the forums but the way you put it was kind of elitist if you ask me.
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It's really happening that people just ask without even searching. Most of them ask about common issues and it's impossible not to find an answer in a thread like ARHD 6.2.1 which has literally 5000+ pages of posts in it.
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Most of the issues in mike's ROM have been fixed by other's but mike doesnt update his ROM often so people are still posting about crap that has been solved.
Solution: dont always assume mike's ROM is the best, hunt around and find a different ROM you like
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/02/htc-talks-ice-cream-sandwich-upgrade-on-facebook/
Take a look there....sensation 4g users should be getting ICS before the end of march
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You think I'm stupid or something? I KNOW that ICS custom ROMs are available right now.
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I don't want to sound crude, but if you know that ICS roms are available now, wouldn't you know that HTCs official RUU will be made into countless roms on this forum as soon as it's available?
I don't understand your question.
In all likely hood once HTC releases it most chefs would work from that. I don't know why they would need to wait for Tmobile just to cook a ROM based off of HTC source. The only useful thing you'd probably get from Tmobile is just radio info and maybe wifi calling if they make any changes.
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Whoa whoa whoa!
You guys misunderstood me. Let me make this clear:
I am not bashing custom ROMs. I am not bashing developers. I know that devs put a lot of time and effort to bring custom ROMs to XDA members, and I greatly appreciate that.
I am not saying that an OTA update will be far superior to a custom ROM.
I choose not to root my phone and install a custom ROM because I have issues following directions. Inevitably, I would screw something up and have a phone with limited capabilities. I can't risk that happening to me, because my job requires me to have a fully functional phone 24/7.
I apologize if you guys took my post the wrong way. In no way did I mean any disrespect to XDA or developers of custom ROMs.
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Whoa whoa whoa!
You guys misunderstood me. Let me make this clear:
I am not bashing custom ROMs. I am not bashing developers. I know that devs put a lot of time and effort to bring custom ROMs to XDA members, and I greatly appreciate that.
I am not saying that an OTA update will be far superior to a custom ROM.
I choose not to root my phone and install a custom ROM because I have issues following directions. Inevitably, I would screw something up and have a phone with limited capabilities. I can't risk that happening to me, because my job requires me to have a fully functional phone 24/7.
I apologize if you guys took my post the wrong way. In no way did I mean any disrespect to XDA or developers of custom ROMs.
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so if you don't plan on rooting your device.....WHY DID YOU JOIN XDA? LOL
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so if you don't plan on rooting your device.....WHY DID YOU JOIN XDA? LOL
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I've not rooted my phone and have no intentions to root, does that mean I shouldn't be here either....?
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so if you don't plan on rooting your device.....WHY DID YOU JOIN XDA? LOL
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He could of just joined XDA to gain some of the latest "Sensation 4g" news, maybe he's rooted other phones in the past, maybe he just likes to read upon development and he will eventually root and install a custom rom once he feels comfortable.
There's many reasons to be a member of XDA without a rooted phone. Many websites get their news from XDA first and then post it on their website. Why not just get the news directly from the source (XDA)?
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LPChris47 said:
Whoa whoa whoa!
You guys misunderstood me. Let me make this clear:
I am not bashing custom ROMs. I am not bashing developers. I know that devs put a lot of time and effort to bring custom ROMs to XDA members, and I greatly appreciate that.
I am not saying that an OTA update will be far superior to a custom ROM.
I choose not to root my phone and install a custom ROM because I have issues following directions. Inevitably, I would screw something up and have a phone with limited capabilities. I can't risk that happening to me, because my job requires me to have a fully functional phone 24/7.
I apologize if you guys took my post the wrong way. In no way did I mean any disrespect to XDA or developers of custom ROMs.
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I definitely get where your coming from. It takes time to get a custom ROM, flash it, and set up the home screens, and then realize you doing like htc locations being selected as default over Google maps, and then you have to search and find out how to change that. Once the official is out, you can just root, remove bloat you don't like,and not waste too much time. To each his own, that's the beauty of android, you can prefer to use it the way it comes, or get it cooked
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I've not rooted my phone and have no intentions to root, does that mean I shouldn't be here either....?
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Again like OP, it's your phone it's your choice on what to do with it. Seeing that you've already made close to a thousand posts, why leave now?
Been using the bullet proof rom since I got this phone about 10 months ago, as much as I would like to switch to something better, I cant because it looks like almost every rom available is pre-alpha pre-beta, comes with a bunch of things not working, or has battery issues.
I know the Doubleshot isnt a popular phone, but this is really starting to suck. Seems to me that someone decides to build a new rom, makes a few updates over 2-3 months, then completely abandons the project due to getting a new phone. Wash, rinse and repeat.
Id love to have a cyanogenmod 7 mod, yet alone 9 for this phone, or even a stock ICS 4.04 rom, but it doesnt look like its ever going to happen with this phone. I think this will be the last HTC phone I buy, ive had 3 of them (one was WinMo 6.0) and none of them had official updates. All I can do now is watch people post a ROM, provide a few updates, then completely abandon the project.
What is the most stable ICS or CM9 rom available? Cause I sure as hell dont see it in the developers forum.
Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
But if you missed that one I can certainly see why the hell you "missed" anything you might like over in the Developer's Section. The real beauty of Android is you can just say "To HELL with the official updates". KWIM?
Usually reading through what others post about a ROM helps make the choice in what to flash. Seems how there are a few recent threads with almost this exact thing I take it your not the reading type? Just because something is labeled alpha or beta does not mean their not stable enough for a daily driver, it just means not everything works. 90% of our "dev threads" are ROMS you would never see ( ie from a different device ) so having them 90% functional, only missing features from the other device ( because ours can't do them ) is great development.
Blue was kind enough to post system.img and boot.img from the latest ota ( links could be shot because of a goo crash ) and dsi made the dsixda kitchen that will cook them images into a rooted Stock ROM. The kitchen will need a file added to tools/edify_defs ( its a script that allows the kitchen to know the partition locations of your device ) because he dropped support a while ago, but it works great as a tool. So you could always start there and once you get some things under your belt you could jump in and lend a hand in this long term support you are seeking?
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I do think that people arrive at your conclusions due to three main reasons:
- The misunderstanding that developers are doing this for the users. ( some may, by far most are not)
- The user mentality of owning a smart phone. You want to have this device as long as you can, and get the most out of it.
Most devs see it another way. They want to stay on the cutting edge and try to break new ground. Regardless of how awesome a device is at launch, you are still looking at a limited window of time before it's old hat.
I think that more and more you will be seeing devs moving on more quickly due to the commercial success of the smart phone. Not just an expensive device for a few, anymore they are a dime a dozen for the many.
I've owned 3 doubleshots, still have two. Have an SGSIII, and am thinking about picking up one of the SGSIII international models.
...and that is fast becoming the M.O. of development. Squeeze out whatever learning you can until you benefit more from newer hardware.
Some devs will work on a device until it's about to or just starting to lose it's resale value so they can minimize the move forward.
- The third - and arguably most important reason - is the average user has no idea how much time, effort but most of all frustration goes into working on a device.
Especially for newer devs. For every one accomplishment, there are many, many failures. Failures that may have taken days of almost around the clock work. Failures that - in order to reach - took the place of spending time with friends, significant others or social gatherings. Giving up that day with your friends at the beach just to spend the whole time working on something that not only doesn't work, but even the parts of it you can salvage aren't useful.
This is what learning is like when you are the steward of your own education. You have to make sacrifices like ignoring your friends and family, cutting down on work hours, blowing off your girlfriend for a box with a screen.
Guess what - that whole graphics project for bulletproof that resulted in a 3 part tutorial? A 70 something hour bender where I walked away from the machine twice for less then ten minutes a pop for a quick bathroom break and to make some ramen noodles.
It was ramen noodles because I stopped working for a few months to learn android and build stuff for the doubleshot. Pennies can only be pinched so far.
...and I can't tell you how much I despise and hate actually doing graphics work. It makes me agitated and angry.
But ya know what? I did it to show what could be done and generate tutorials so other people could do it and free me to do other things, yet still enjoy the visual entertainment/enhancements the community would bring.
...and I was let down, in a big way. No one else really got into doing it. No one else invested the time to make graphical mods to. apk files we have or to sense. ( no slight to the very few of you that did)
You've had this phone for ten months, where are your roms, mods or graphical enhancements and stuff?
You argue that so few get involved - yet you do little to help.
This device was my first step into the dev ring. If I can be as successful at it - no reason you can't too. If you'd rather spend time doing other things, well, you never will learn to dev.
These kind of threads are disheartening. The community survives and thrives through your participation. By not pitching in to help, you are forcing the few that do to bear the weight of all forward development for the device.
Don't complain that we few are burnt out when you can't count yourself amongst us.
This division is one you highlight, while we try to eliminate. Come to our side and help out.
Bulletproof had over 2,000 downloads when I checked last back in march/april. No one used it as a springboard to build on?
At the end of the day...
elister said:
What is the most stable ICS or CM9 rom available? Cause I sure as hell dont see it in the developers forum.
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... it's waiting for you to make it.
WeekendsR2Short said:
Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
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Oh I saw that, but i'll pass on an alpha build, need something stable, plus im not sure what version of Android thats even based on.
WeekendsR2Short said:
Well....you COULD look about 5 posts below this one and get a clue or two. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1858512
But if you missed that one I can certainly see why the hell you "missed" anything you might like over in the Developer's Section. The real beauty of Android is you can just say "To HELL with the official updates". KWIM?
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strapped365 said:
Usually reading through what others post about a ROM helps make the choice in what to flash. Seems how there are a few recent threads with almost this exact thing I take it your not the reading type? Just because something is labeled alpha or beta does not mean their not stable enough for a daily driver, it just means not everything works. 90% of our "dev threads" are ROMS you would never see ( ie from a different device ) so having them 90% functional, only missing features from the other device ( because ours can't do them ) is great development.
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When I see a rom posted in the developers forum, if its based on ICS 4.0 or better, all I do is read the what works and what doesnt work section. For a long time it seemed almost every rom had problems with the SD card being used as a USB Flash drive (meaning I would have to disconnect the SDHC, connect to reader just to copy files). Now the problems tend to either be camera related (which I absolutely need) or battery issues in which it gets hot or drains faster.
So way early on, I was reading through pages upon pages of posts to see if problems get resolved (which often they dont unless they post another build), but now I just read the first page to get to the details (to see whats not working in the rom), then pass when there are too many things not working.
I kinda like the official update, because they tend to be stable.
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Oh I saw that, but i'll pass on an alpha build, need something stable, plus im not sure what version of Android thats even based on.
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U need to lower you rom standards or make the perfect cm9/ics rom. I had a problem with our device not having enough roms until someone explained to me that we don't need 20 diff cm7 roms or 10 diff ics roms. Our devs do a good job so we don't need those the amount of roms we have is good look at the older smartphones and their roms. U see they are not up to date. (Like most of ours)
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lower your rom standards?
K7Cobb said:
U need to lower you rom standards or make the perfect cm9/ics rom. I had a problem with our device not having enough roms until someone explained to me that we don't need 20 diff cm7 roms or 10 diff ics roms. Our devs do a good job so we don't need those the amount of roms we have is good look at the older smartphones and their roms. U see they are not up to date. (Like most of ours)
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lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
polarbearmc said:
lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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Yes thats the goal but if theyve released the rom with 1 or 2 problems then why should it be a problem. I use virtuous infinty and has 2 problems thats it. Dont quote me but i dont think there is a PERFECT ROM. Because again it is a rom not made by the company but our devs. And then again the roms our devs make have less serious problems than the ones companies have
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polarbearmc said:
lower your rom standards?
i totally agree with the op. i'm not complaining about the great work the devs are doing. they're doing what they do because they love it and that's great. but every rom has issues in the "doesn't work" section and there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
if there was a single rom with no known issues, i'd be on it in a heart beat. especially a sense-less one. i'd even take gingerbread if it was no known issues.
and as for "we don't need 20 different cm7 roms and 10 different ics roms" ... of course we don't. i'd like to see ONE of each that's fully working.
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Then you get the invite to either put up some work, or fall back to the shadows. You guys asking for stuff we do for free in our free time sucks. And to see how unappreciated we are. If we pulled all links everyone that's whining now would be in tears
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strapped365 said:
Then you get the invite to either put up some work, or fall back to the shadows. You guys asking for stuff we do for free in our free time sucks. And to see how unappreciated we are. If we pulled all links everyone that's whining now would be in tears
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EXACTLY. I'm not a dev but this is what I did not want to happen but seems like nobody can agree
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For those that haven't taken the time to READ to see what others are saying about how a ROM works......well there is no excuse for you and IMHO have no business saying a word about anything. If a person is so smart that they know how things SHOULD work but can't even figure out a few commands in ADB & how to make it work then you're getting things backasswards. Just download it, evaluate it and if you don't expend the friggin' TIME to read then just STFU!
What you're showing is ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT for the vast amounts of time and effort these developers have sat at home alone into the wee hours of the morning LEARNING by trial & error and collaboration among themselves for their OWN betterment. NOT FOR OURS!!! We are ALL damn lucky that they see fit to share ANYTHING with ANY of us and ask for nothing more that a little honest feedback and an occasional THANK YOU!
now....off my friggin' soapbox
polarbearmc said:
lower your rom standards?
there's no reason us users shouldn't be asking for a rom with nothing left that doesn't work. i mean that should be everyones goal, right?
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We shouldn't be asking unless we can help in some way, shape or form. As you said, all the devs are doing what they can though we may not be aware of it. Look at how much time Blue put in Bulletproof alone. Kudos Blue!!!
If you want a ROM with no known issues, it exists! Go back to STOCK! LoL One of each ROM that's fully working will not happen because of the reasons that Blue listed and I agree with him completely. And the term "lower your ROM standards" is very fitting to me. It doesn't mean settle for less, but more so just pick the ROM that best suits you. They are there.
My DD right now is MikXE for various reasons and I've never had a single problem with it...at all. I don't use WiFi tethering or WiFi calling but those are features important to some(now I'd LOVE for just 1 feature to be added to it *cough* screenoffmusiccontrol Strapped *cough* LoL), but if it doesn't I'm not going to die. Already perfect in my eyes and I love it the way it is! And Blue's Bulletproof is flawless, everything works!
If a person doesn't like reading then XDA isn't the place to be. Sometimes within the thread there are tips shown that will fix some issues within the ROM that one might not know existed without reading. Then, in other threads there are ways to tweak things to get certain features working in the ROM that may show as not working in the OP...sometimes! Either way, if we want EVERY single feature on the phone working (Even the ones we don't use?) then Stock/Bulletproof is the only way to go. Otherwise, just get a new phone...?
Makes no sense feeling we deserve better for our phones when we have better, but just not up to "our standards". What the devs do...is FREE! As Strapped mentioned, if we had none of these ROMs/Threads, what would we do then? I for one sure as hell don't want to find out!
WELL SAID!!!!
Threads like this sincerely make me sick. I'm an end user ONLY for lack of a viable machine to build on... Somehow i figure building roms on the device isn't feasible (haha!) But my first reaction to this thread was "don't flame the guy don't flame the guy."
These developers have taken what some people get paid to do and enhanced it to almost an art form where they are singularly doing the job that entire DEVELOPMENT teams get paid to do for MONTHS at a time and you have a developer like XMC working on 4 roms at a time AND a kernel and whatever else AND a real job and school or whatever. Seriously if they aren't doing enough for you then code your own dream rom or run miktouch (which ran off stock kernel PERFECTLY for me for the first three months I was rooted).
Besides... What is stable for me might not be for you, or for any of the other end users here. I've ran MikXE, Vanillabean, MikMIUI, CM9 alphas 2-6, Paranoid Android and am currently running Virtuous Infinity alpha 2. ALL have been more than stable enough to function for me with a few quirks... Given i don't depend on Wifi as much as some, but still. Everyone makes a huge deal out of 1080 camcorder but seriously on this screen nobody can tell a resolution difference. I needed gps to work well and calling to work... I was a pizza delivery guy so that was what I needed to be stable.
Seriously to the OP - IF you aren't brave enough to try roms and see what works for you (seeing as how i've had ZERO of the reported bugs i've seen on most of the roms i have run) then stfu and do us all a favor and go back to stock or get a nexus and have a good time. There you can have 50 versions of everything you could ever want to ***** about. OR become a viable member of this great team and contribute. Help test the roms because stability is only a NAND away.
*steps off my soapbox*
And to answer the subject question:
There are plenty of stable roms to choose from. Most every rom here can be used as a daily driver... It just comes down to what YOU can live with as far as bugs go... After all stock had that battery getting really hot "bug" didn't it?
Wifi disconnecting with screen off without an app seems so inconsequential compared to a bug that can fry your device, right? Lets not forget that i've been testing roms and kernels that might've fried my device with only a G1 as a backup LOL.
Oh yeah... And in case you guys missed it...
TBalden, Kornyone, XMC-Wildchild,Strapped365, Sun_Dream, Blue and the rest... You guys kick ass. Let me know if you're ever in Bama and i'll buy you all a beer or several. And... Welcome riyal as well! You have taken my doubleshot from stock hell to the ecstasy that is whatever os i feel like running at any given time.
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Well to tell all the ICS ROMs around here should have been stable already only if we were given ICS updates. Problem is we were not and developers recycle CM source code or ROMs from other HTC devices praying that most of them would work to bring up ICS on our device. Ok that's fine but there are propriety files still missing or incompatible drivers which makes the bugs. Unless some dev would put his life in reverse engineering the missing drivers and stuffs we wouldn't be expecting any stable ICS ROMs here.
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what did I do? Lol I'm no doubleshot developer yet I'm still at the learning stage just owning this device for almost just a week now. Didn't provide any development stuffs yet
Riyal said:
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what did I do? Lol I'm no doubleshot developer yet I'm still at the learning stage just owning this device for almost just a week now. Didn't provide any development stuffs yet
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You have started contributing - that kernel in the virtuous beta post is a contribution - see you HAVE provided dev type stuff...
Or would you prefer to be unincluded LOL?
And welcome btw!
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I used a hasoon toolkit to root my phone and all that clockwork stuff... and the I used a tool to fastboot the cm9 boot.img..and then flashed the cm9 rom by kornyone.. ITS AWESOME... ICS FTW ON MT4GS....Ifeel like I got a new phone the rom is stable there is literally only one thing wrong with it and that's the front camera is upside down when using gtalk vid chat....but that doesn't matter... its still awesomely awesome
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jesusjv95 said:
I used a hasoon toolkit to root my phone and all that clockwork stuff... and the I used a tool to fastboot the cm9 boot.img..and then flashed the cm9 rom by kornyone.. ITS AWESOME... ICS FTW ON MT4GS....Ifeel like I got a new phone the rom is stable there is literally only one thing wrong with it and that's the front camera is upside down when using gtalk vid chat....but that doesn't matter... its still awesomely awesome
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Crap.... There's a fix for that somewhere in another kernel I think. I can't remember which one though.
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onebornoflight said:
Crap.... There's a fix for that somewhere in another kernel I think. I can't remember which one though.
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Its fixed in the latest alphas, should also be fixed in the latest "stable". But run alpha 5 its the most stable. Overall
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