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[Q] Pre-rooting procedure?

I'm running stock EE4 but I'm getting ready to root and install one of the debloated ROMs. Currently I have a lot of apps, home screens and ADW Launcher set to my satisfaction and settings tweaked how I like them.
What are "best practices" for pre-rooting backup so all of these are retrievable? I've used Titanium Pro on my tablet so I'm conversant with that process but don't I have to be rooted first? Should I root the phone, install TP, back-up and THEN flash the ROM? Are there alternatives?
Thanks, I await advice.

adw settings you can backup by going to adw settings and doing a backup. Not sure if there is an unrooted version of titanium. Bad part is. You cannot just root if you are EE4 already. 1click and Gingerbreak do not work on EE4. You have to Odin flash a rooted rom. Sorry. Know thats not what you wanted to hear.

dragonstalker said:
adw settings you can backup by going to adw settings and doing a backup. Not sure if there is an unrooted version of titanium. Bad part is. You cannot just root if you are EE4 already. 1click and Gingerbreak do not work on EE4. You have to Odin flash a rooted rom. Sorry. Know thats not what you wanted to hear.
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Not true. You simply need to use Odin to flash a new kernel which is rooted (pbj by immuts for example). Once you've done this you'll also get CWM. You need to find an Odin package that only contains the kernel.
Once you've done that, with root you can use TiBackup like you've done before and then flash your ROM.

Thanks, fellas. If you're monitoring this thread, would you mind having a look over here?

keithce said:
Not true. You simply need to use Odin to flash a new kernel which is rooted (pbj by immuts for example). Once you've done this you'll also get CWM. You need to find an Odin package that only contains the kernel.
Once you've done that, with root you can use TiBackup like you've done before and then flash your ROM.
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OK SO, ROOTED means that the ROM has SU capability which is given to it by superuser app. Which allows you to have admin capabilities to change permissions to your filesystem.
The kernel allows you to overclock and undervolt your system while giving access to other HARDWARE specific functions.
Now please explain to me how a KERNEL can give you SuperUser permission to the filesystem if the KERNEL is a bridge between the Hardware and Software. Not saying your wrong, I just don't see how a Kernel can give you root access.

dragonstalker said:
OK SO, ROOTED means that the ROM has SU capability which is given to it by superuser app. Which allows you to have admin capabilities to change permissions to your filesystem.
The kernel allows you to overclock and undervolt your system while giving access to other HARDWARE specific functions.
Now please explain to me how a KERNEL can give you SuperUser permission to the filesystem if the KERNEL is a bridge between the Hardware and Software. Not saying your wrong, I just don't see how a Kernel can give you root access.
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Indeed, strictly technically speaking you are correct. However after the radio on the charge got updated to EE4 the usual 'back doors' or exploits to get root no longer worked.
Therefore the developers of the kernels for the charge built in the capability to auto root when it boots and hands off the hardware to the software.
If you read the posts for the kernels (e.g. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1104634) you would see that.
Cheers!

I stand corrected. It's right there in black and white. Auto-Root on Boot.
We learn something new everyday. Thanks for getting me brought up to speed.

keithce said:
Not true. You simply need to use Odin to flash a new kernel which is rooted (pbj by immuts for example). Once you've done this you'll also get CWM. You need to find an Odin package that only contains the kernel.
Once you've done that, with root you can use TiBackup like you've done before and then flash your ROM.
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Is flashing a custom kernel, like PBJ, easily done using Odin? Do I use the same procedure when flashing CWM?
The latest version of CWM is not working--the button mapping is all screwed up. So I can't install any .zip files from my SD card -- I just keep seeing this f***ing blue banana.
So do I already need to have CWM installed to install a custom kernel? I'm waiting for someone to post CWM 4.0.0.8 until danalo is able to fix the faulty CWM currently linked for downloading
---Thank you for any help you may provide---

MrMakeIt said:
Is flashing a custom kernel, like PBJ, easily done using Odin? Do I use the same procedure when flashing CWM?
The latest version of CWM is not working--the button mapping is all screwed up. So I can't install any .zip files from my SD card -- I just keep seeing this f***ing blue banana.
So do I already need to have CWM installed to install a custom kernel? I'm waiting for someone to post CWM 4.0.0.8 until danalo is able to fix the faulty CWM currently linked for downloading
---Thank you for any help you may provide---
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Flashing anything in Odin uses an almost identical procedure unless you're trying to also upgrade the baseband/radio/modem.
Yes, you can flash a kernel using Odin. You just have to make sure that you download the right file to be flashed because it must be in specific format (*.md5).
Here is a link to jt's kernel from this post. Its a root kernel with CWM and also includes the lagfix (reformat to EXT4) that you should be able to flash using Odin.
That should give you a working (although limited functionality) version of CWM so that you can then install everything else and upgrade when a newer working version of CWM comes out.
Basically you just need to get CWM on there once as a starting point and then you can upgrade, update, and do whatever you want from there.

[UPDATE][WW] CWM Rooted Update to STOCK 8.6.5.7 from STOCK 8.4.4.11 WW only

Here's a stock rooted clockworkmod update for 8.4.4.11 WW users who want to upgrade to HC3.2 8.6.5.7
8.6.5.7_FOTA_WW_root_rec
MD5: 74522fb41d4a61c518814532a4d04332
I've included CWM recovery packaged with the new recovery kernel so there should be no issues getting into CWM after updating like there was with my US update.
This is not for users of custom roms. STOCK only.
Also, any changes you have made to the system folder will likely cause this to fail so you may need to edit the updater-script file to suit your needs.

Can this do pure root only for 3.2ww??

There are two pre-reqs:
1. You have to be running 8.4.4.11 WW
2. You need to have CWM recovery
Meet these criteria and this is for you.

Can't get it, login and password needed.
Also anyone know how to kill the Asus updates? My rooted 3.1 stock is asking me to update!!!

Oops, Link fixed.
After installing this just attempt the update, it will boot you into recovery and fail, then the popup is gone.

Thanks, updated fine, and the attempted update cleared the update. (Had to long-press Off to turn the tablet off after the failed update).
Is there a way to remove/disable the Asus update checker in stock rooted roms, so I don't have to do that again?

Sure, just use a file manager to rename Dmclient.apk in /system/app

Noob question...
what will happen if from prime 1.6 i flash stock 3.2?
i want to go to stock for this period.

karapoutsoglou said:
Noob question...
what will happen if from prime 1.6 i flash stock 3.2?
i want to go to stock for this period.
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I'm guessing it won't work. You will have to flash a full rooted stock ROM via clockworkmod, then the incremental update(s) all the way to 8.4.4.11 (WW), then this...
Each of these seem to be a patch over the previous, and all the files are CRC checked, if any of them fail to match, the update won't proceed.

Since the update, i'am unable to play a HD videos .... :-(

Allthe time i hear bad remarks and comments for 3.2
what do you guys believe?
to upgrade or not?
im on prime 1.6 still but no problem with anything.

I am at pure rooted Stock WW 8.4.4.5 ROM. How can I get the Stock 8.6.5.7 the easiest way?
Thanks a lot
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk

CrazyPeter said:
I'm guessing it won't work. You will have to flash a full rooted stock ROM via clockworkmod, then the incremental update(s) all the way to 8.4.4.11 (WW), then this...
Each of these seem to be a patch over the previous, and all the files are CRC checked, if any of them fail to match, the update won't proceed.
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Let me know how this goes if you try it out. I'm on Prime 1.6 as well

how can i get back to stock from Prime 1.7 Beta??

Sweet thing!
Just to confirm before I blow up my tablet, I'm running:
HMJ37.WW_epad-8.4.4.11-20110711 (rooted with CWM, of course)
This works, right?
Also, no mods, but I did copy the tun.ko driver to the /system/lib/modules directory. From what I've read, this won't stop the update, will it?
Thanks

anyone?

ferparedes said:
anyone?
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Yep, will work no problem.

Could somebody make a thread & upload 3.2 ww stock, no root? OTA failed and refuses to appear again... would be much appreaciated.
The ASUS update zip format would be perfect.

@[email protected], did you found an easy solution? I tried to flash the WW 3.2, but the patch checks are failing. But I also realsized, that I'm on DE_8.4.4.11 and not on WW.
@Roach2010, any chance that you build a CWM flashable 3.2 update coming from DE_8.4.4.11 ?
Cheers,
Matthias

So I can't flash this if I am on 8.4.4.5?
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Question about CWM before ICS update

I just rooted my TF101 using ViperMod but now I'm not sure whether I should install CWM recovery or not if I want to install further OTAs. I have read some threads but couldn't come up with a clear answer. I read somewhere that only stock recovery can receive OTA updates but also read that CWM can receive them too. If I can't install CWM then what ROMs can I install with stock recovery? What's the best way to go if I want to be ready for the ICS? Thanks!!

theremix said:
I just rooted my TF101 using ViperMod but now I'm not sure whether I should install CWM recovery or not if I want to install further OTAs. I have read some threads but couldn't come up with a clear answer. I read somewhere that only stock recovery can receive OTA updates but also read that CWM can receive them too. If I can't install CWM then what ROMs can I install with stock recovery? What's the best way to go if I want to be ready for the ICS? Thanks!!
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Technically you'll still receive the OTA update you just can't apply it if you have CWM or a custom ROM installed.
You can't install custom ROM without CWM (if you have an older SBK tablet you can use NVFlash with a compatible ROM).

So I shouldn't install cwm until the ICS drops right?
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk

If you want to update to ICS via OTA don't instal CWM.
As you have been told, you will get the OTA message but the update will fail.
So you have two choices (or three):
* Keep stock recovery and update to ICS when the OTA update is available
* Install CWM and update to ICS as soon as a DEV publishes an ICS ROM
* Install CWM and remove it as soon as you know the OTA is due (pretty lame, but you could do it).
Regards.

CalvinH said:
If you want to update to ICS via OTA don't instal CWM.
As you have been told, you will get the OTA message but the update will fail.
So you have two choices (or three):
* Keep stock recovery and update to ICS when the OTA update is available
* Install CWM and update to ICS as soon as a DEV publishes an ICS ROM
* Install CWM and remove it as soon as you know the OTA is due (pretty lame, but you could do it).
Regards.
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Thanks, I think I'll just wait for the OTA as I want to update as soon as ICS drops in.
Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk

I have a question about removing CWR. Actually 2.
1. Can't we just uninstall and wipe data with Titanium since it was installed as an .apk- from Gnufabio? (pretty sure this won't work but thought I would throw it out there anyways). Where is the recovery located on a tablet (what folders) Same as in phones?
2. Can we just flash the stock recovery by itself and not reset back to .13 or younger? If I am running stock ROM, it seems that I should be able to just reflash the stock recovery and replace it w/o changing the ROM or factory reset.
I have no problem doing it the long way but if it doesn't need to be done and we can replace the CWR with stock and not tamper with the ROM, it seems logical.
Clearly I just got the tab recently and have been reading and reading but they seem so much different than the way phones work. I am very comfortable flashing ROMs/Kernels/Mods on phones, but just a little intimidated with the tablet (for now).

Woodrube said:
I have a question about removing CWR. Actually 2.
1. Can't we just uninstall and wipe data with Titanium since it was installed as an .apk- from Gnufabio? (pretty sure this won't work but thought I would throw it out there anyways). Where is the recovery located on a tablet (what folders) Same as in phones?
2. Can we just flash the stock recovery by itself and not reset back to .13 or younger? If I am running stock ROM, it seems that I should be able to just reflash the stock recovery and replace it w/o changing the ROM or factory reset.
I have no problem doing it the long way but if it doesn't need to be done and we can replace the CWR with stock and not tamper with the ROM, it seems logical.
Clearly I just got the tab recently and have been reading and reading but they seem so much different than the way phones work. I am very comfortable flashing ROMs/Kernels/Mods on phones, but just a little intimidated with the tablet (for now).
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1- The RecoveryInstaller app only help to flash the recovery image so no you can just delete it.
2- You can flash a stock recovery image via CWM. You can get a repacked version here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1154947&highlight=unroot

baseballfanz said:
2- You can flash a stock recovery image via CWM. You can get a repacked version here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1154947&highlight=unroot
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I figured that would be the case with the executable part of the apk.
I read that thread but wasn't sure if only the stock recovery by itself could be flashed w/o the prepacked ROM.

[Q] Should I root my TF101

Hi, I am new to this, I have been searching this forum for many rooting method and I hope you can give me some suggestion whether I should root my tf101 ICS and installing a rom.
My wish is: After rooting my TF101, I am able to overclock it to have a smooth 720p video playback in all common format e.g. avi, mp4, mkv, mov etc. Also better stability and faster performance as the current official firmware is still have many bugs. Can rooting do that?
Some questions:
1. Is installing Revolver or Revolution HD an option? Which one is better for my need? Or should I do it manually?
2. If I install one of these rom, do they have any auto update option for easy updating? Will every update delete my apps or saved data?
3. What root method should I use? As I think different Kernel have different function, some kernel is not support overclocking, right?
4. Any other recommendation? I am pretty new, so it is hard for me to know which options is better for me as so many great developer here to make tf101 better.
Thanks alot

Rooting its self will not help preformance but installing a custom rom will
Revolver is pretty stable but ARDH seems to be updated and bugfixed more frequently
Revolver has a update manager i do not believe there is one for ARHD and some updates will not wipe and others will it depends on how big the update is
Vipermod is used for rooting

therock9 said:
Hi, I am new to this, I have been searching this forum for many rooting method and I hope you can give me some suggestion whether I should root my tf101 ICS and installing a rom.
My wish is: After rooting my TF101, I am able to overclock it to have a smooth 720p video playback in all common format e.g. avi, mp4, mkv, mov etc. Also better stability and faster performance as the current official firmware is still have many bugs. Can rooting do that?
Some questions:
1. Is installing Revolver or Revolution HD an option? Which one is better for my need? Or should I do it manually?
2. If I install one of these rom, do they have any auto update option for easy updating? Will every update delete my apps or saved data?
3. What root method should I use? As I think different Kernel have different function, some kernel is not support overclocking, right?
4. Any other recommendation? I am pretty new, so it is hard for me to know which options is better for me as so many great developer here to make tf101 better.
Thanks alot
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The most important reason for rooting, above all others, is to be able to use a custom recovery, like ClockworkMod or Team Rogues CWM based recovery. These will give you the options of making full backups, so that you can do pretty much anything you want to your tablet and still be able to restore it to a working condition.
With the recovery installed, you can not just do backup and restore, but also flash ROMs, format partitions, wipe the cache, factory reset, etc. Its by far the most important component, but also generally taken for granted.
There are a multitude of other reasons for rooting: apps that may require root privilege to function, installing custom ROMs, overclocking, editing files in the system partition, etc. Pretty much any power-user type functionality will require root on Android.

mrevankyle said:
Rooting its self will not help preformance but installing a custom rom will
Revolver is pretty stable but ARDH seems to be updated and bugfixed more frequently
Revolver has a update manager i do not believe there is one for ARHD and some updates will not wipe and others will it depends on how big the update is
Vipermod is used for rooting
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Thanks for your reply, for my understanding, rooting through Vipermod will include clockworkmod which able to overclock tf101 without installing custom rom?

therock9 said:
Thanks for your reply, for my understanding, rooting through Vipermod will include clockworkmod which able to overclock tf101 without installing custom rom?
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You need an appropriate kernel for your tablet in order to overclock. The kernel is flashed in recovery, but clockwork mod itself (the recovery) isn't able to do the overclocking for you. But yes, you CAN install a kernel and then overclock without having to install a full ROM.

a.mcdear said:
You need an appropriate kernel for your tablet in order to overclock. The kernel is flashed in recovery, but clockwork mod itself (the recovery) isn't able to do the overclocking for you. But yes, you CAN install a kernel and then overclock without having to install a full ROM.
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Thanks for your reply, do you have any suggestion which kernel I should use for overclocking? and how can I install a kernel?

therock9 said:
Thanks for your reply, do you have any suggestion which kernel I should use for overclocking? and how can I install a kernel?
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you install it by downloading it and putting it on your SD card.. some ROMs only see the internal SD card not the external , go to your custom recovery and flash it.

shadowjin said:
you install it by downloading it and putting it on your SD card.. some ROMs only see the internal SD card not the external , go to your custom recovery and flash it.
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Thanks, so are these basically the step?
I am using .21 firmware at the moment
1. Downgrade to .17 firmware
2. Root it using Vipermod
3. Find a kernel, put it in SD card
4. Go to custom recovery and flash it
5. Download OTA root keeper to keep my tf101 root after updating
6. Upgrade to the official .21 firmware
Then, in theory it should have a rooted .21 firmware tf101 and able to overclock to 1.6ghz? Am I correct?
Thanks
Jacky

therock9 said:
Thanks, so are these basically the step?
I am using .21 firmware at the moment
1. Downgrade to .17 firmware
2. Root it using Vipermod
3. Find a kernel, put it in SD card
4. Go to custom recovery and flash it
5. Download OTA root keeper to keep my tf101 root after updating
6. Upgrade to the official .21 firmware
Then, in theory it should have a rooted .21 firmware tf101 and able to overclock to 1.6ghz? Am I correct?
Thanks
Jacky
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1. Downgrade to .17 firmware
2. Root it using Vipermod
* Use RecoveryInstaller to install CWM recovery
3. Find a kernel, put it in SD card < wouldn't bother with a kernel at this point
if you planed on upgrading to official .21 firmware.
4. Go to custom recovery and flash it
5. Download OTA root keeper to keep my tf101 root after updating
6. Upgrade to the official .21 firmware

You may as well put a custom rom on there as well, as you will lose user data the first time and you'll lose the kernel every time an ota update goes out. I was running rooted stock for awhile and have never gone back after romming. Those steps are good though.

baseballfanz said:
1. Downgrade to .17 firmware
2. Root it using Vipermod
* Use RecoveryInstaller to install CWM recovery
3. Find a kernel, put it in SD card < wouldn't bother with a kernel at this point
if you planed on upgrading to official .21 firmware.
4. Go to custom recovery and flash it
5. Download OTA root keeper to keep my tf101 root after updating
6. Upgrade to the official .21 firmware
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Thanks so much, just want to make sure as I must be missing some step.
Because I did try like you said without a kernel, it rooted, but I found that I can't overclock (max: 1000mhz), and after I upgrade to .21 firmware even though I did backup root, it become unroot.
Most steps are followed from this page
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25385687
I do want to root again and want to be sure this time I can overclock for better 720p video playback, if I am missing some step, please let me know, otherwise I would rather not root it.

Did you manually update to .21 or auto OTA update?
Look in system/bin and of you see an su there, copy it to system/xbin

Rooting Nexus S [Help]

A while back, I always rooted and unrooted my Nexus S with no problems at all. Now whenever I try to root it, it just goes wrong. I've tried TWRP & CWM, CWM used to always work but now it just messes up. Both TWRP and CWM both give me an error that say Installation Aborted when I try to install a custom rom. I've redownloaded the rom from different browsers and even different PCs but nothing working, still that same error. Does anyone have a guide that is 100% to work without any errors during the process?

What guide are you using?

paul96 said:
What guide are you using?
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I used this one: http://nexusshacks.com/nexus-s-root/how-to-root-nexus-s-or-nexus-s-4g-on-ics-or-gingerbread/

1. Make sure you're running one the more recent versions of the custom recovery. You probably are but there are issues with older versions so just make sure.
2. Boot into what ever recovery you pick and do a full wipe. That is everything gets wiped but your SD card. Factory reset. Format /system etc.
3. Flash your ROM and gapps if they are seperate.
You should not get any errors. If your recovery is current and your flashing a new rom onto a fully wiped system and you still get a error either you're screwing something up or you may have a hardware problem.
To rule out a hw problem flash the factory images with fastboot. If those flash normally and everything works it is almost certainly user error.

albundy2010 said:
1. Make sure you're running one the more recent versions of the custom recovery. You probably are but there are issues with older versions so just make sure.
2. Boot into what ever recovery you pick and do a full wipe. That is everything gets wiped but your SD card. Factory reset. Format /system etc.
3. Flash your ROM and gapps if they are seperate.
You should not get any errors. If your recovery is current and your flashing a new rom onto a fully wiped system and you still get a error either you're screwing something up or you may have a hardware problem.
To rule out a hw problem flash the factory images with fastboot. If those flash normally and everything works it is almost certainly user error.
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Alright, thanks Do you recommend that I root my Nexus S or should I wait for the Jelly Bean update? I've rooted before and I enjoyed it but now I don't see that many reasons to root, do you have any good reasons?

I have many. My reasons for root don't matter. If you don't have a reason for root then don't root. Its that simple really.
Make sure you're on a stock 4.0.4 rom. When the ota is out install it.
If you want just root on either os at any time just flash su.zip from custom recovery. Its that simple. Having root on a stock rom does not affect the ota process.

albundy2010 said:
I have many. My reasons for root don't matter. If you don't have a reason for root then don't root. Its that simple really.
Make sure you're on a stock 4.0.4 rom. When the ota is out install it.
If you want just root on either os at any time just flash su.zip from custom recovery. Its that simple. Having root on a stock rom does not affect the ota process.
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What are your reasons for root? Please share?

Getting rid of stuff I don't want in a ROM.
Apps that do things that require root.Titanium backup/autoruns adaway ( ad blocker app alone could be its one point) etc
Changing kernel settings. Bid/bin clocks volts etc.
Being able to have a replacement launcher use the ICS style widget drawer.
Lastly , I simply just can't see having a computer that I don't have root/admin rights to. Its my damn device and I do what I want.

albundy2010 said:
Getting rid of stuff I don't want in a ROM.
Apps that do things that require root.Titanium backup/autoruns adaway ( ad blocker app alone could be its one point) etc
Changing kernel settings. Bid/bin clocks volts etc.
Being able to have a replacement launcher use the ICS style widget drawer.
Lastly , I simply just can't see having a computer that I don't have root/admin rights to. Its my damn device and I do what I want.
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Oh cool. There is this project that some members from XDA are working on called Sense4All and they are porting Sense to many devices. Im probably going to wait until a fully functionable release is available for the Nexus S. I do like AOKP a lot, so that might be a reason for why I'll root.

You seem to be a little confused with some terms. Root is simply being able to grant superuser permission.
You don't need to root to flash a custom rom on a nexus. Just a unblocked bootloader. You could run aokp or any other rom without root if you wanted to.

albundy2010 said:
You seem to be a little confused with some terms. Root is simply being able to grant superuser permission.
You don't need to root to flash a custom rom on a nexus. Just a unblocked bootloader. You could run aokp or any other rom without root if you wanted to.
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Oh, I never knew that, haha. Is it possible to flash a custom kernel with an unlocked bootloader or does that require root access?

m1l4droid said:
No you just need a custom recovery. But using that kernel's mods, like BLN, OC, UV, touchwake, etc, requires apps that need root, like NSTools, SetCPU, etc.
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Oh alright. Now I really wanna root + install a custom rom. Do any of you have a full 100% fully working guide for rooting Nexus S and which rom should I flash first? I already know what kernel I want.

http://forums.acsyndicate.net/showthread.php?2024-ACS-Nexus-S-One-Click-Root-V4-0

leap_ahead said:
http://forums.acsyndicate.net/showthread.php?2024-ACS-Nexus-S-One-Click-Root-V4-0
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Thank you so much! I rooted my phone with CWM recovery installed and Paranoid Android + gapps installed