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Why custom?

Hi,
Firstly, I have read many of the threads on here, so I've done my searching but want a bit of advice:
Can anybody give any real reasons why I'd want to go custom? From what I can see there is no advantage at the moment (Considering that all new features, eg, Cupcake) will be released officially at some point. Also worth considering is that if something good on the custom scene arrives in the future by then I'm sure many devs/hackers will know how to root the phone again.
For the moment, is there any advantage for a casual user to make the switch to custom?
My new G1 arrives soon, and after taking part in the PSP custom scene I'm keen to see any reasons why I should go custom on the G1... I don't want to do it for the sake of it (If it offers little to no advantage, but risk) but likewise I want to make sure I'm not misunderstood and perhaps there really is some reason?
Thanks.

Big reason I went with a custom image was to allow tethering on my phone using iptables.
That and the fact I get a little glow deep down knowing my phone is free!

Thanks for the reply.
With those in mind, any other reasons I should grab custom rather than the OTA update?
Cheers.

freedom, plain and simple. There is a lot of stuff that cannot be done without a modded system. For example, the themes. If you are happy with what you have, there is no problem in keeping it.

I wouldn't customize my new phone right away. It's always a good idea to wait it out and get familiar with the phone and all it's capable of doing first. Perhaps later you can get into customizing it and all the other mods.

Imyman said:
I wouldn't customize my new phone right away. It's always a good idea to wait it out and get familiar with the phone and all it's capable of doing first. Perhaps later you can get into customizing it and all the other mods.
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I would - who knows when T-Mobile will issue an OTA update to block downgrading?

didnt think about that...
thats true, I'll bet dimes to dollars the next update stops downgrading
if history is a predictor of the future, the Tmob will not allow the this fun to continue unchecked.
I say do it while you can, it wont last forever.
They said an update would come out "after the american holidays" and I say the downgrading will stop then, look how fast the lockdown came, the first update(RC28) was slow to come out, but once the exploit was in the wild, RC30 was out in a few days...
look on the brightside it may just get us an update sooner
bhang

...and since both tmo and google know the keys that the "rooters" around here are using, what's to stop them from sending out separate, test-key-signed OTAs to stop what's already been going on?
I wouldn't expect it from Google (if they did, I'd call Android "tango uniform") but from tmo, I'd expect anything.

Ok rooting gives you freedom. To do what you want with your property??

beartard said:
...and since both tmo and google know the keys that the "rooters" around here are using, what's to stop them from sending out separate, test-key-signed OTAs to stop what's already been going on?
I wouldn't expect it from Google (if they did, I'd call Android "tango uniform") but from tmo, I'd expect anything.
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your a negative person i feel. I dont think Tmo can force an update on my phone when the keys are renamed as told????

beartard said:
...and since both tmo and google know the keys that the "rooters" around here are using, what's to stop them from sending out separate, test-key-signed OTAs to stop what's already been going on?
I wouldn't expect it from Google (if they did, I'd call Android "tango uniform") but from tmo, I'd expect anything.
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the lack of otacerts.zip prevents it. no otacerts.zip -> no ota will pass sig check.
note: the ADP1 version still has otacerts.zip. it contains the test-key. I didn't delete it from ADP1 because it might still be useful to receive OTAs from google for the ADP1.

JesusFreke said:
the lack of otacerts.zip prevents it. no otacerts.zip -> no ota will pass sig check.
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Hence once android source is completely public you wont need you could in theory have JFoid but that would be a lot of work. I could sit on rc30 with overlay mods until someone beside google by tmobiles hand forces what we want on our Devices. Contract or not they are ours to do with what we want. especially if you paid full price for your device...

Thanks for so many replies.
I'm sorry if I'm being stupid here, but alot of people say to go custom just because I should be able to have full access to my own device. Sounds great and I can understand that viewpoint... I'm just curious though - Say I "have" full access... At this time what exactly does that let me do? This is the thing, I'm surely not understanding everything correctly for all that I can see (Mainly) that it allows you to do is put your own firmware on, add a new boot image and tether. I can see people are fond of doing this "because they can do" but to the average user is there anything that I cannot do with the original that custom can do?
Cheers!

Installing themes for one thing. That seems to be quite popular with average users

You can also use droidsans to get the autorotate feature. And soon, who knows what will happen in a mo or 2.

802.1X support via wpa_supplicant is one reason to get root. Some of us are on university campuses where the only wifi is WPA Enterprise. Though G1 hardware supports this, there is no UI for it and root is needed.

My favorites so far (and I've only had root for a day)...
1. Tethering.
2. Installing the new autorotate browser, if you don't feel like waiting for an update.
3. Busybox (thanks to Jesus Freke.)
4. You might want to theme it, I like it the way it is though with the Ibex background to match my computer.

how to UN-root?

Well, I just realized that I jumped into flashing my G1 and getting root access before I was ready/before it was necessary. So now I want to go back to RC33 official firmware, but now since i'm rooted, the official RC33 update.zip file won't work. So i now have a rooted RC29 official firmware, how do I unroot and get back up to RC33?

ogwilson said:
Well, I just realized that I jumped into flashing my G1 and getting root access before I was ready/before it was necessary. So now I want to go back to RC33 official firmware, but now since i'm rooted, the official RC33 update.zip file won't work. So i now have a rooted RC29 official firmware, how do I unroot and get back up to RC33?
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Have you heard of the word search?Do some work then being lazy.

Funny. I searched google, came across 2 threads of this very same nature filled with people telling us "lazy folks" to google and search. I also searched the forums directly, same threads and no other threads I could find related to this. And on google, I tried multiple search terms and phrases and noone had a definitive answer, if at all.
So please stop saying "search and stop being lazy" and just help, because you don't know if we all have tried to search or not. Perhaps if you help someone, we can actually come up fruitful in our search results.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=g1+android+unroot
first entry

here are those threads in question:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=478856
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=478873
and i couldn't simply reply to the threads because the mods were so quick to close them. Seems like everyone here has something against helping people restore to factory than upgrade to custom.

sputnik99 said:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=g1+android+unroot
first entry
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Well, seeing as how I already stated that I did indeed try to google using multiple search terms and phrases, then you might assume I already came across that result. I did indeed come across that result and I've already tried that method. If you would actually read instead of being so quick to judge my ability to find information, upon trying to reinstall paid apps and manually updating to RC33, it failed, meaning that the phone is somehow still rooted and that I'm not sure what to do at this point. I'm stuck at what looks to be like the official RC29 with no way to manually update and I cannot get my paid apps off of the market still (nor are they showing up).
Hell, I'm not even sure if this pertains to the fact that the phone was rooted or not, but it certainly isn't what happened before I rooted (where I was able to successfully update to RC33 and download paid apps from the market as well as view them)
Now please, read that and see that I have tried all that I can from the little information that is out there. Don't think that I don't appreciate the dev community here, but you tend to only care and only help when it comes to flashing phones, not restoring them.

why bother
it doesnt make a darn bit of difference, it just taking out crap that may in the future stop you from doing somthing you want to do, the phone doesn't work any differently, rooted or un rooted, I just can't think of a reason why somebody would WANT to go back, this is probably the cause of the resistance you feel, not a conspiracy to keep rooted phones, just that way...ROOTED
I'd say just don't bother and don't go typing in commands like a madman, and everything will be OK.
it seems that JF is dedicated to continue his work on the test signed updates, why do somthing that makes no difference? Just be lazy, or spend that time reading up on common linux commands.
bhang

bhang said:
it doesnt make a darn bit of difference, it just taking out crap that may in the future stop you from doing somthing you want to do, the phone doesn't work any differently, rooted or un rooted, I just can't think of a reason why somebody would WANT to go back, this is probably the cause of the resistance you feel, not a conspiracy to keep rooted phones, just that way...ROOTED
I'd say just don't bother and don't go typing in commands like a madman, and everything will be OK.
it seems that JF is dedicated to continue his work on the test signed updates, why do somthing that makes no difference? Just be lazy, or spend that time reading up on common linux commands.
bhang
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its not that at all man. i cant even get my paid apps back. i bought the apps because i really liked them and used them on a daily basis, so i dont want to just give them up just so i can say my phone is rooted. Thanks for the reassurance though,but until i can do soemthing really useful with root access (installing other OSs) thenim sticking to official unmodified and updated firmware

paid apps and rom flashes/upgrades
im not sure you will get your paid apps back, but little is known about how the paid apps work.
they may be keyed to imei, but it doesn't seem so or you wouldn't have had a problem, my theory is that there is no security ie: 1 guy pays and anybody can use the copy of the app he paid for, I dunno and I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT PIRACY.
I am just theorizing on how your paid apps will or will not follow your phone after flashes.
it should just keep a list of what you d/l'd attached to your gmail login, I like to see more talk about how the apps are secured, NOT ABOUT HOW TO CIRCUMVENT the security, but how the apps are tied to the buyer/phone/rom installed.
I swapped apps from one g1 to another via astro and the sd card but they were all free, it just so happened to be the day the paid apps debut.
no piracy talk, just any facts you may have as to the above questions
bhang

T-Mobile update available

There's an official T-Mobile update available as of this morning. It's over 40MB in size (pretty sure) so I'm imagining It's chock full of goodies.
I can't install it until I get home and defrost some bloat, so does anyone else wanna give it a shot?

I'll give it a shot. It says security and optimizations. DLing now.
EDIT: Looks like an update to Wifi calling.
EDIT2: New radio too: 11.59.3504.00_11.16.3504.20_2
Build: 1.55.531.3
Sent from my myTouch_4G_Slide using xda premium

yep, it's 43.2 MB, but definitely not ICS. will have to play with it to see if anything feels or looks different. i have attached the OTA package for anyone who'd like to have a look at it
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18474790/OT....28.531.10_release_2279923pt850rhelkwzr8g.zip

Seems like the big weather widget is now missing the awesome graphics/animation?
Edit: also a BIG word of warning... Revolutionary is saying the new HBOOT is NOT supported at this time.

Does temp root still work?

jonnycat26 said:
Does temp root still work?
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I don't think so, just tried it for the first time ever, but it didn't seem to work. Ran it twice but still don't have root access.

So I know this is gonna sound like a dumb question but please humor me. What would happen if I ran the update on my rooted phone? Would it brick the phone or just unroot it?

doost650 said:
So I know this is gonna sound like a dumb question but please humor me. What would happen if I ran the update on my rooted phone? Would it brick the phone or just unroot it?
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Probably neither, it would more than likely just fail and you would just pull your battery out and reboot to where you are now.

Well I only rooted my phone to unlock it so if I wanted to install the update then I would have to unroot (which I already no how to do).

There was a bump in the kernel version.... but there's nothing in the release notes that would indicate what's changed there. They only mention netflix improvements, Google security fixes, WiFi calling improvements, and something else so minor I've forgotten it already.

doost650 said:
Well I only rooted my phone to unlock it so if I wanted to install the update then I would have to unroot (which I already no how to do).
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Just wait a few days. Someone will float a rooted version out before too long.
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and here's the info on the new HBOOT: version # is 1.45.0013. it says *locked* at the top, but it still says S-OFF. i accidentally still had a PC59IMG.zip on my sdcard, and it read it and asked if i wanted to update.....

yogi2010 said:
yep, it's 43.2 MB, but definitely not ICS. will have to play with it to see if anything feels or looks different. i have attached the OTA package for anyone who'd like to have a look at it
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18474790/OT....28.531.10_release_2279923pt850rhelkwzr8g.zip
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Looks like a lot of the stock ringtones are gone . I never rooted my phone..i only know they are gone becaise it put my ringtone as tmobile jingle. The one I use is gone.
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Thanks for posting about this, and I really appreciate that the update has been provided so people can get it.
I am downloading the update now from yogi2010's dropbox - i'll see what I can find when I break it open after the download finishes.
I just woke up, so this gets to be the first item on my list.
If there is a new kernel provided, then don't expect to be able to open that up and scan for changes - but otherwise i'll see what I can find out and report back.

I updated my phone on friday night, and it was my first update ever. Is this the same one, or is it a newer version?

First impressions: wow, they made tiny changes to just about everything in the system.
I am going to focus first and foremost on the GPS changes they made - looks like they updated the SUPL certification, the GPS lib file - I need to find out what they did. They probably made it look like the GPS changes I made, but I never edited the SUPL certification file so expect an update to my GPS patch (probably) when I figure it all out.
I am also concerned about what they did with the bluetooth stuff - they updated the blacklist and also all of the Bluetooth files on the device.
If anyone applied the update, can you check and see if all of your bluetooth devices work?
I am half tempted to apply the update to one of my MT4GS phones, but I'm afraid of bricking it trying to go back after I sort through it all - writing the Radio is where you can brick your phone and that I would have to do ... so looks like i'll be figuring out how to decompile some of these update files and note the changes.
If anyone has any information to share about the update, please post it here.

Blue6IX said:
First impressions: wow, they made tiny changes to just about everything in the system.
I am going to focus first and foremost on the GPS changes they made - looks like they updated the SUPL certification, the GPS lib file - I need to find out what they did. They probably made it look like the GPS changes I made, but I never edited the SUPL certification file so expect an update to my GPS patch (probably) when I figure it all out.
I am also concerned about what they did with the bluetooth stuff - they updated the blacklist and also all of the Bluetooth files on the device.
If anyone applied the update, can you check and see if all of your bluetooth devices work?
I am half tempted to apply the update to one of my MT4GS phones, but I'm afraid of bricking it trying to go back after I sort through it all - writing the Radio is where you can brick your phone and that I would have to do ... so looks like i'll be figuring out how to decompile some of these update files and note the changes.
If anyone has any information to share about the update, please post it here.
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the reason i was kind of a proponent of the first update was because there were changes to a LOT of things, even tho the size of the package was small. still, i myself don't know what was changed, if anything.
do you think the fact the HBOOT read the original PC59IMG.zip on my sdcard, and asked me to update, means that we can still go back to what we had before?
unfortunately no bluetooth devices here but will report back later about GPS.

yogi2010 said:
the reason i was kind of a proponent of the first update was because there were changes to a LOT of things, even tho the size of the package was small. still, i myself don't know what was changed, if anything.
do you think the fact the HBOOT read the original PC59IMG.zip on my sdcard, and asked me to update, means that we can still go back to what we had before?
unfortunately no bluetooth devices here but will report back later about GPS.
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Probably - I may very well end up trying later but don't hold your breath. I might apply it to my phone that I bought with my plan so that I can take it back to T-Mo and force them to give me another one because their update broke it.
It kinda is special to me, being my first smartphone ever, so I don't want to part with it, but if I can't figure it all out i'm not so sentimental that i'll let that impede progress.
-also -
If anyone does flash this, some of the files that were removed with Undeadk9's security patch - and are also removed in my ROM, are put back onto the phone - most notably QXDM2SD.apk that I have seen thus far - this will have to be removed again if the update is flashed to prevent logging activities.
I have no idea what Smith.apk is - so decompiling and looking through that after I finish typing this out.
I'll keep people updated as I go through it.

can someone check if the CIQ stuff is still there or not?
i got a feeling...

Braccoz said:
can someone check if the CIQ stuff is still there or not?
i got a feeling...
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I'm not sure yet about CIQ - but Smith.apk is absolutely a new logging utility.
It looks like it's primary function is to log battery stuff, but that doesn't look like it's all that it's logging - i'm looking into this and disappointed to see another attempt at spyware and intrusive logging being pushed onto our phones.
Please be advised that in addition to the .apk file mentioned above, Smith.apk is a logging utility that needs to be assessed and explored more in-depth. I am doing so now but others should as well if they can, maybe see something I miss.
Also looks like Smith.apk gives us a new dialer code - 76484 is the number but not sure what the preface is to get to it. Check my sig under 'guides index' to see the other dialer codes i've found so far.
If anyone has installed this update, can you experiment with the different ways of entering dialer codes to see about activating this number?
More to follow as I get through it all.
Thanks!

[Q] Verizon OTA Update - 5/30/13

I read on cnet last night that Verizon would be sending an update for all GS3 users and, sure enough, I was prompted for the update for an update morning. (5/30/2013)
I am running stock 4.1.2 rooted.
Does anyone know if this is safe for me to apply? Will I lose root?
Thanks!

yep
You will lose root and if you have a custom recovery (twrp for instance) it will be overwritten. You will also get a "update failed" message. However, the update actually will succeed. You can reroot the same way you did before (unlock bootloader, root, install custom recovery if desired). I was surprised that the OTA was even available for rooted/custom folks. There will be a couple new apps installed, one dealing with CallerID which will force your 4G and WiFi to both be on - freezing that new app will fix that issue too, search the forums for details.
Goddrick said:
I read on cnet last night that Verizon would be sending an update for all GS3 users and, sure enough, I was prompted for the update for an update morning. (5/30/2013)
I am running stock 4.1.2 rooted.
Does anyone know if this is safe for me to apply? Will I lose root?
Thanks!
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You will lose root and if you have a custom recovery (twrp for instance) it will be overwritten. You will also get a "update failed" message. However, the update actually will succeed. You can reroot the same way you did before (unlock bootloader, root, install custom recovery if desired). I was surprised that the OTA was even available for rooted/custom folks. There will be a couple new apps installed, one dealing with CallerID which will force your 4G and WiFi to both be on - freezing that new app will fix that issue too, search the forums for details.
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How are you surprised about the OTA being available for rooted phones? You don't make any sense with that comment as the update is just that an update. Verizon doesn't know which customers have rooted their device just that you have a device that needed to be updated.

Because thats the way it always was back when I had my original Incredible? A lot of people were surprised that the update was available to them, I'm not a minority here. No reason to be rude.
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How are you surprised about the OTA being available for rooted phones? You don't make any sense with that comment as the update is just that an update. Verizon doesn't know which customers have rooted their device just that you have a device that needed to be updated.
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Because thats the way it always was back when I had my original Incredible? A lot of people were surprised that the update was available to them, I'm not a minority here. No reason to be rude.
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I am not being rude just stating the fact that Verizon doesn't know your phone is rooted in fact all companies don't know what you did to your phones until something bad happens to it. I will also add that the update will be pushed regardless if you're rooted or not the only time it won't get pushed is with a custom ROM made by someone who knows how to block Verizon updates.

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I am not being rude just stating the fact that Verizon doesn't know your phone is rooted in fact all companies don't know what you did to your phones until something bad happens to it. I will also add that the update will be pushed regardless if you're rooted or not the only time it won't get pushed is with a custom ROM made by someone who knows how to block Verizon updates.
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Funny I did not see him mention anywhere that Verizon knew anything. His experience with a previous phone was that for some reason after rooting etc. his phone did not receive OTA updates. Whatever the reason, instead of being rude, you could have simply helped him understand like you finally did : "... the only time it won't get pushed is with a custom ROM made by someone who knows how to block Verizon updates.".

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Funny I did not see him mention anywhere that Verizon knew anything. His experience with a previous phone was that for some reason after rooting etc. his phone did not receive OTA updates. Whatever the reason, instead of being rude, you could have simply helped him understand like you finally did : "... the only time it won't get pushed is with a custom ROM made by someone who knows how to block Verizon updates.".
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Okay I have corrected myself like you have so eloquently posted I don't see the need to defend him if I already like you stated told him finally the reason. I already know that I should have done it sooner and like I normally do correctly fall back and respond in a normal tone. I unlike others am self aware of what I do and make an effort to correct any wrongs that I have caused. I don't filter myself when I post my thoughts so they can come across
as rude depending on your sensitivity level the difference is that I don't insult people nor belittle them in any way. I can only imagine how you or anyone will react if I was a total jackass.

ok then
Thanks for the explanation. follow-up question - if Verizon doesn't "know" then what is with the "unauthorized software discovered, call Verizon" popup that so many people have reported? Or the infamous yellow triangle? I assumed (yeah I know the cliche) that Verizon in fact DID "know" otherwise that wouldn't have happened. Simple mistake based on past experience, sorry.

As a side note.. If you have Titanium you can freeze SDM 1.0 and you won't get those updates

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Thanks for the explanation. follow-up question - if Verizon doesn't "know" then what is with the "unauthorized software discovered, call Verizon" popup that so many people have reported? Or the infamous yellow triangle? I assumed (yeah I know the cliche) that Verizon in fact DID "know" otherwise that wouldn't have happened. Simple mistake based on past experience, sorry.
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This is completely unrelated to OTAs though. That warning is solely because of the secure bootloader on the Verizon GSIII. That warning is built into the system to pop up whenever you try installing software to the phone without having the prerelease bootloader in place. Verizon and Samsung intentionally made this model GSIII more difficult to install custom software onto or to make it a more secure device, depending on how you look at it. It's a business decision at the end of the day.
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Probably business related as they don't want to be the first company to have an worldwide malware problem on their devices.

ghostboa said:
...you could have simply helped him understand like you finally did : "... the only time it won't get pushed is with a custom ROM made by someone who knows how to block Verizon updates.".
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That's the key (at least in my experience with HTC phones). I can't remember the name of the file, but it was one file that you could rename and the phone would not check or ignore OTA updates that were pushed by the carrier.

i downloaded the update the other day by mistake as it bricked my phone. im rooted only and stock. i know its going to keep forcing the update thru, is there anyway i can get the update to go thru successfully without bricking my phone again?

You didn't brick your phone at least not a hardware brick.

ANY way to keep root when updating to 23.4.A.0.546?

So my phone is now prompting me to update (and I can't even tell it to got to hell like I could on my S4 Mini ) but I refuse to do so until I know I can keep my root intact (or until Kingroot becomes capable of rooting that version).
Is there ANY way of keeping my root intact? Maybe by using the PC companion to update (this used to work before ICS didn't it?)? Or doing something to the phone (besides flashing firmware) to preserve the root ahead of the update?
I don't want to be installing a custom rom (and yes, I still count generic stock as a custom rom because it would get onto my phone just like any other custom rom) just to update and I absolutely need root for Link2SD so if I can't keep root in some way and Kingroot doesn't catch up then I'm going to stay on my current version forever, security be damned.

SCHUMI_4EVER said:
So my phone is now prompting me to update (and I can't even tell it to got to hell like I could on my S4 Mini ) but I refuse to do so until I know I can keep my root intact (or until Kingroot becomes capable of rooting that version).
Is there ANY way of keeping my root intact? Maybe by using the PC companion to update (this used to work before ICS didn't it?)? Or doing something to the phone (besides flashing firmware) to preserve the root ahead of the update?
I don't want to be installing a custom rom (and yes, I still count generic stock as a custom rom because it would get onto my phone just like any other custom rom) just to update and I absolutely need root for Link2SD so if I can't keep root in some way and Kingroot doesn't catch up then I'm going to stay on my current version forever, security be damned.
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No. You can make prerooted 546 and flash it in recovery and it's only way how to retain root. As soon as you update using OTA you will loose root as system will be overwritten.
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Thanks, guess I'm waiting then.
Any way to temporarily disable the update message/get it out of my notification bar?

SCHUMI_4EVER said:
Thanks, guess I'm waiting then.
Any way to temporarily disable the update message/get it out of my notification bar?
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Maybe you can disable the Software Update app in settings...
By the way, however it`s your decision, I don`t understand reasons behind why not flashing latest software with Flashtool. There are sometimes nasty issues with upgrades, like people loosing LTE with OTA upgrades to 5.1.1 and so on. I would just backup everything and flash latest .570/.580 firmware (yes, even .546 is now getting outdated as upgrade to .580 becomes available to address MMS based vulnerabilities). Flashing software in flashmode is the same like flashing it through PC Companion and provides for clean way how to do system updates. You can even download version intended directly for your market/provider instead of generic one.

Flash the pre-rooted .546 zip. It has been posted weeks ago.

ondrejvaroscak said:
Maybe you can disable the Software Update app in settings...
By the way, however it`s your decision, I don`t understand reasons behind why not flashing latest software with Flashtool. There are sometimes nasty issues with upgrades, like people loosing LTE with OTA upgrades to 5.1.1 and so on. I would just backup everything and flash latest .570/.580 firmware (yes, even .546 is now getting outdated as upgrade to .580 becomes available to address MMS based vulnerabilities). Flashing software in flashmode is the same like flashing it through PC Companion and provides for clean way how to do system updates. You can even download version intended directly for your market/provider instead of generic one.
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Because the phone isn't even two weeks old. Nowhere near time yet to risk bricking it doing non-standard things, I've already tested my luck enough by rooting it. And my region doesn't have 580 yet anyways. The inability to remove the battery makes me even more nervous about this sort of stuff, and yes I know there is a simulated battery pull, but that's still software and software gets fudged up which is the whole reason to actually physically remove the battery from your phone.
Not gonna happen thank you very much. Besides I'm never in a hurry with updating Android, it's always 2 steps forward one step back, never an all-round improvement. Some monkey of a programmer inevitably always rips out some base function every device should have, just look at ICS and the mess it's caused by choosing to ignore SD cards. Even Lollipop lacks things prior Android versions had for utterly no reason. Stagefright can kiss my you know what. Not gonna update till I can root with the click of a button avoiding almost all risk (in my mind anyways).

SCHUMI_4EVER said:
Because the phone isn't even two weeks old. Nowhere near time yet to risk bricking it doing non-standard things, I've already tested my luck enough by rooting it. And my region doesn't have 580 yet anyways. The inability to remove the battery makes me even more nervous about this sort of stuff, and yes I know there is a simulated battery pull, but that's still software and software gets fudged up which is the whole reason to actually physically remove the battery from your phone.
Not gonna happen thank you very much. Besides I'm never in a hurry with updating Android, it's always 2 steps forward one step back, never an all-round improvement. Some monkey of a programmer inevitably always rips out some base function every device should have, just look at ICS and the mess it's caused by choosing to ignore SD cards. Even Lollipop lacks things prior Android versions had for utterly no reason. Stagefright can kiss my you know what. Not gonna update till I can root with the click of a button avoiding almost all risk (in my mind anyways).
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Well, seems you are new to XPERIA`s because there is hardly any way you can brick it. Battery pull is not a problem, because in addition to Power+VolUp reste, there is a push button hidden on the side of SIM card that triggers hard reset and switches the phone off.
But I aknowledge that you have your rights for your fears. However I wonder that with all your fears you would allow to install and run undocumented chinese app, that although roots your phone, may do other things and you will never know. Everyone is responsible for his own luck.

ondrejvaroscak said:
Well, seems you are new to XPERIA`s because there is hardly any way you can brick it. Battery pull is not a problem, because in addition to Power+VolUp reste, there is a push button hidden on the side of SIM card that triggers hard reset and switches the phone off.
But I aknowledge that you have your rights for your fears. However I wonder that with all your fears you would allow to install and run undocumented chinese app, that although roots your phone, may do other things and you will never know. Everyone is responsible for his own luck.
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Yes and no. I had a neo but that was a very different device and I never felt the need to do anything custom to it (although I did check XDA for it) so it remains stock even today. Then I went to Samsung cuz everything Sony sucked at the time, at least in my price range. And now I'm back with Sony cuz there's something wrong with Samsung, dunno what, but I just don't like them so unless they're far ahead on paper I won't touch them again. (unless Sony tanks).
I didn't know about that button but I'd still rather not.
And I don't have anything sensitive on my phone so Kingroot can spy all it wants to. Of course I'd prefer it didn't, but if they absolutely have to then they're welcome to any and all info. Simply running an APK on my phone (that thousands have run before me) just seemed like the least brickable way of getting root (since I didn't have to do anything special like stuff up in the recovery or mess up an ADB command or anything like that). When I'd read about there being no root methods for 5.1.1 yet I erroneously took that to be all of Lollipop so I thought my phone was unrootable anyways when I turned it on and found it had lollipop (it was sealed so I thought it would still be on KitKat and easily rootable) so Kingroot was basically just a hail mary at the time. And since it worked so well I see no reason to ever do anything else.