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Optimus 3D vs Nintendo 3DS shootout

An unexpected type of shootout between completely different products, but fun to read anyways. Not prefect since it is done on paper specs and not actual hardware:
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/38491/lg-optimus-vs-nintendo-3ds

Bad review , author has no idea what he is talking about , this phone does not have 4 gigs of RAM. It has 8 gigs of internal storage SSD and 512 MB of RAM.
Winner: LG Optimus 3D1GHz Dual-Core OMAP4, 4GB RAM, SGX540 GPU (LP DDR2)loser: Nintendo 3DS2x 266MHz ARM11 processors, 64MB RAM, PICA200 GPU
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It also plays host to a whopping 4GB of RAM which should be plenty for coping with all of the phone's basic functions as well as the 3D visuals
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Does this device really have the SGX540? The same GPU as the Galaxy S?
If it does, wouldn't that mean that there really won't be much improvement over the Galaxy S for single-threaded applications(seeing as, besides the 3D-ness and extra core, the specs are quite similar)? Are most Android apps/games/emulators/N64oid single-threaded?

mangelok said:
Does this device really have the SGX540? The same GPU as the Galaxy S?
If it does, wouldn't that mean that there really won't be much improvement over the Galaxy S for single-threaded applications(seeing as, besides the 3D-ness and extra core, the specs are quite similar)? Are most Android apps/games/emulators/N64oid single-threaded?
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The omap 4 is paired with an overclocked version of the sgx. If you check a thread on smartphonebenchmarks.com it will show the comparisons for the 2 different phones. As of now the overclocked version doesn't make a big difference until newer games are released that require more power. It gives the phone more life in terms of hardware . I would link but my g1 doesn't have the ram to save the state my apps are in. The g1 requires a full restart of apps which is inconvenient.
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[Q] RAM

Do you think 512MB RAM are enough for the Optimus 3D? And what kind of RAM has the SGS2 for example? Is it ddr1? And is it a big difference with ddr2 ram in the optimus 3d compared with other new smartphones?
The first time i red that the optimus 3d only has 512 mb of ram i thougt this isn't enough for a new smartphone but all i heard till now sounds really good. so what do you think?

iPasta said:
Do you think 512MB RAM are enough for the Optimus 3D? And what kind of RAM has the SGS2 for example? Is it ddr1? And is it a big difference with ddr2 ram in the optimus 3d compared with other new smartphones?
The first time i red that the optimus 3d only has 512 mb of ram i thougt this isn't enough for a new smartphone but all i heard till now sounds really good. so what do you think?
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+1, also, is 512mb enough to play resource heavy games? (note - i don't necessarily mean 3d games, just lets say the version of dungeon defenders or NOVA thats out in 6 or whenever months time) I don't know much about how much ram games use, all i know is you cant add any more ram to the phone (or any phone for that matter)
Thanks
Ian

it's absolutely enough!!!and it's also dualchannel ram so very fast.

And do you know what kind of ram other highend smartphones have? like the SGS2? And can you compare the ram in smartphones with the ram in pc: ddr2 in the optimus 3d = ddr2 in my pc?

Optimus 3D uses a dual-channel LPDDR2 memory controller. search on google and wikipedia

I know what the Optimus 3D has. I just can't find something for the Galaxy S2 and others ^^

Ah ok i found it. It's also DDR2

nic85 said:
it's absolutely enough!!!and it's also dualchannel ram so very fast.
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Its only fast until you run out of it, filling up 512mb of ram is pretty easy.

peachpuff said:
Its only fast until you run out of it, filling up 512mb of ram is pretty easy.
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Thats what i was afraid of.

Me too and i'm really thinking about changing my order and buy a SGS2. I really prefer the design of the Optimus 3D and the SGS2 would be more than 100 € more expensive for me than the Optimus 3D. But the ram and the camera are two things that are much better on the SGS2. And there is much more activity on the SGS2 board on xda ... i'm not sure but at the moment i think the SGS2 is the better choice!?

512mb are absolutely enough,don't talk without sense do you want to install Crysis?than 512mb are not enough.

I know that it is enough for the next 6 months, maybe for the next year, but are you sure it is enough for new stuff afterwords? and did you compare the videos and pictures of sgs2 and optimus 3d? sry but the quality of the 3d is very bad compared with the sgs2. really don't get me wrong, i would prefer the lg not only because of the much better design, but those are two major things that can't be changed :/
and did you see latest gl benchmarks? why is the sgs2 that much better in the egypt test?

yes all.
You are talking about a pre-production model of Optimus 3D,so you have to wait the final rom.
The gs2 is very powerful but it have:
-gingerbread
-1.2ghz cpu(was 1.0ghz but samsung noticed that wasn't powerful as optimus 3d,so has overclocked it to 1.2ghz)
-final rom
so to compare the two device we have to:
wait 2.3.3 for the 3D,wait the final rom,overlock to 1.2ghz...then compare.

but i think this won't change anything with the quality of the camera.

buy a digital camera

.. your post is +1 for SGS2

iPasta said:
.. your post is +1 for SGS2
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than go buy it

I am holding out for the P920, I think that they are aware of the software problems tht they had with the early launch of the P990 and are making sure this baby rocks....

cheltenham2004 said:
I am holding out for the P920, I think that they are aware of the software problems tht they had with the early launch of the P990 and are making sure this baby rocks....
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yeah hope so

cheltenham2004 said:
I am holding out for the P920, I think that they are aware of the software problems tht they had with the early launch of the P990 and are making sure this baby rocks....
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in ever day of delay premier of this phone Im thinking about some other smartphone. Is too long to wait and what is worst is look like lg optimus 3d can playback 3d movies.

sensation performance / aSMP info needed please

Hi,
i recently return my samsung (4th time) galaxy s2 becouse of various defects , i been looking at the sensation however i have a few questions , firstly for all its issues i like how fast and responsive the galaxay was however when i tryed the sensation i noticed its not as smooth as the galaxy or that much smoother then the desire hd.
One possible reason for this i noticed was that the sensation uses a asmp cpu , which seems a bit cheeky to me. I mean im buying a dual core phone so i would like both cores to work at the same time as opposed to one working then the second kicking in when the first is loaded. From what ive read ics should have better support for this setup , so i was curious does anyone think we will see that much of a difference bearing in mind the sensation is asmp.
I notice there`s a lot of talented devs from the desire development and hd which is encouraging so i was hoping to learn from various users how much of a performance increase there seeing in custom roms ie is the browser jerky like stock ??
Appreciate any / all feedback thank you

I'm interested in some more more info on this topic as well.....
Sent from my Sensation using xda premium

Read up!
ok so aSMP doesn't really work in the method of core 0 gets loaded then core 1 kicks in, thats way off.
basically SMP cpus like Tegra and Samsung's both cores run at the same speed, so core 1 follows core 0. This doesn't mean that core 1 is actually processing anything. In most cases due to gingerbread the phone is still mainly running on one core unless the app supports multicore.
aSMP allows the cores to run completely independent. This is great for battery life. Core 0 can do things like play games and stuff at full speed while core 1 handles background data.
so playing angry birds while syncing photos on flickr:
core 0 could be running at full 1.5Ghz
core 1 could be running at 500Mhz just do handle the syncing
This is basically the idea. We will get better support with ICS for full and proper support for multiple cores and the kernels will only get better as devs learn.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1233103

Hi,
Thank you for you detailed reply ive been following the thread you posted which is what led me to posting question here , i obviously misunderstood what was being said. That being said im no expert but if i buy a dual core phone id rather have both cores committed to one task like pc ... this is one of the things thats making me hold back on sensation. Althougth its a great phone with great ui and fantastic potential with future updates and dev support to the touch at present the galaxy s2 just seems smoother with the way its doing thing.
As i say thou im not expert i can appreciate theres other factor to take into account such as kernal etc, im just going with hands on usage and trying to evaluate the future potential for both devices before making a decision to which i should choose

tonnytech said:
Hi,
Thank you for you detailed reply ive been following the thread you posted which is what led me to posting question here , i obviously misunderstood what was being said. That being said im no expert but if i buy a dual core phone id rather have both cores committed to one task like pc ... this is one of the things thats making me hold back on sensation. Althougth its a great phone with great ui and fantastic potential with future updates and dev support to the touch at present the galaxy s2 just seems smoother with the way its doing thing.
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The sensation's CPU works in a much more power efficient way, while still offering the speed of any other dual core CPU. It allows different clock speeds for different cores so applications using only a single core will be able to clock it differently to those using the other in the background. Computers, especially laptops work in a similar way, as there is a need for power efficiency. Realistically the Galaxy SII runs smoother due to it running a much less resource hungry skin on top of android, but both the CPU of the sensation and the Galaxy SII are both of a similar calibre, so it is very difficult to say which is better.

again thanks for the reply , defintly understand how this asmp buisness works more now which has given me some stuff to think about

tonnytech said:
Hi,
Thank you for you detailed reply ive been following the thread you posted which is what led me to posting question here , i obviously misunderstood what was being said. That being said im no expert but if i buy a dual core phone id rather have both cores committed to one task like pc ... this is one of the things thats making me hold back on sensation. Althougth its a great phone with great ui and fantastic potential with future updates and dev support to the touch at present the galaxy s2 just seems smoother with the way its doing thing.
As i say thou im not expert i can appreciate theres other factor to take into account such as kernal etc, im just going with hands on usage and trying to evaluate the future potential for both devices before making a decision to which i should choose
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Neither architecture, SMP or aSMP, will commit both cores to one task unless the app is multithreaded and it currently needs the use of both cores. This is the same way that multicore pc's operate. That's why when quad core CPU's first came out people said that they didn't feel any faster than comparable dual core chips - most existing apps at that time were written for single or dual threaded use so the third and fourth cores largely sat unused. The pc doesn't just force the use of the extra cores just because they are there (regardless of how they scale, aSMP or SMP).
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using xda premium

Also the new firmware has made it smoother due to extra optimisations. Web browser is not as good as the galaxy S 2 due that being GPU accelerated. Power wise the Sensation you will get somewhat more out of your battery life wise.

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Realistically the Galaxy SII runs smoother due to it running a much less resource hungry skin on top of android, but both the CPU of the sensation and the Galaxy SII are both of a similar calibre, so it is very difficult to say which is better.
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If you look at my thread and see the post:
MSM8x60:
Adreno 220 GPU
2x Cortex A8 Based Cores
512KB L2 Cache
45nm
upto 333Mhz LPDDR2
Exynos 4210:
Mali 400 GPU
2x Cortex A9 Based Cores
1MB L2 Cache
45nm
support for LPDDR2/DDR3
Tegra 2:
ULP Geforce GPU
2x Cortex A9 Based Cores
1MB L2 Cache
40nm
support for 600Mhz LPDDR2
So the biggest thing is is that the Exynos is based on a new core micro-arch then the Snapdragon 2, also it has the ability to support DDR3 memory. To go into more detail about ARM Cortex.
Items that A8 and A9 have in common:
Jazelle RCT for JIT Compilation
Neon SIMD Instruction Set (Optional)
Thumb2 Instruction set
VFPv3 Floating Point Unit (Optional)
Cortex A8:
Superscalar Dual-Issue Micro-Arch
2.0 DMIPS/Mhz
Cortex A9:
Out-Of-Order Superscalar Micro-Arch
2.5 DMIPS/Mhz
Jazelle DBX for Java Execution
Dual-Core Processing Built In
The SGSII has a new generation architecture as so does the Tegra

This thread is iteresting. I want to continue that.
my cpu0 and cpu1 arrive at 1,7 ghz. so cpu1 doesnt arrive up to 500 mhz

[Q] Ram required for HD GAMES for android phon

Hi guys, I'm new in this forum and gonna buy a new android phone in next months,
LG optimus 2x and Samsung Galaxy S2 come in mind.
After spec and prices comparison, LG O2X seem not bad,
but something hold me back which is the unstable froyo 2.2 where I hear a lots of problems occur and the 512mb ram.
It was said the 128ram is dedicated for GPU of Tegra2,
so 512mb - 128mb = 384mb,
then after some ram for UI and OS,
What I remember I saw from other webs states left around 220-200mb.
So i wonder while playing HD games for android such as assassin creed, GTA and others, normally how much ram will inccur?
Sources I read through from GSM, Anandtech and others.

Need Suggestions for a New Budget Cellphone [India]

Hi Guyz I am from India looking for a new phone within 10-12k INR ie about 200-250 USD. By doing a little bit of research for 5-6days i have narrowed my choices to a few phones.
Dell XCD35
LG Optimus One
HTC Wildfire
HTC Wildfire S
HTC Explorer
Samsung Galaxy Fit
Samsung Galaxy Ace
Please Suggest me which one of the following will be a good choice for me. First things first I should be able to install apps in Memory card. I think we need to root the device for it if i am not wrong (Please clear this doubt for me). Second the device should be choppy or laggy in terms of gaming too ... !!! If i get Android i will definitely play a lot of 3d Games.
HOPING TO GET MY DOUBTS CLEARED SOON !!!

Going by the list of phones you are looking at, i would recommend 1 phone and take 2 into concideration.
Recommended:
Samsung Galaxy Ace
Alternatives:
HTC Wildfire S
LG Optimus One
There are essentialy 3 Factors that are important for you, they are:
Resolution -> a lot of apps simply will not install on phones that use 320x240 screens
CPU Clockspeed -> The Faster the CPU is, the faster applications like games will run
Amount of RAM -> The more RAM you have the better the phone will perform while multitasking
All of the phones you have listed are essentialy either older, and/or lower specced entry level phones. All of them are using older CPUs (ARM11 / ARMv6) and most of them are clocked at 600 MHz or even lower like The HTC Wildfire (528 MHz).
The exception here is the Samsung Galaxy Ace clocked at 800 Mhz, so it has the fastest hardware and should be the fastest out of all of them for gaming.
A lot of the phones you have listed have fairly little RAM by todays standards, often times only 256 MB
While the Galaxy Ace has 384 MB of Ram, the Optimus One and the Wildfire S both have 512 MB of Ram, but a slower 600 Mhz CPU.
IF you chose a phone with more RAM over the Galaxy Ace's faster CPU, i personaly would go with the Wildfire S, as it has superior build quality and is better supported by custom roms.
So the choice is essentialy yours:
Galaxy Ace
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3.5 Inch Screen
800 Mhz CPU => Gaming
384 MB RAM
Wildfire S / Optimus One
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3.2 Inch Screen
600 Mhz CPU
512 MB RAM => Multitasking

According to your requirements,you should go for Galaxy Ace. It's really a nice smartphone with mind blowing features. It can also provide you a nice gaming experience. I am personally using it an loving it a lot.
And this is not always necessary to root the device for installing apps on memory card. But in some cases, it is necessary (if manufacturer has programmed the device to download apps directly to phone memory). When it comes to rooting, then rooting is just like jailbreaking in Apple. A rooted android device breaks the limitations that are applied to it either by manufacturer or carrier. Following are some examples about What a rooted user can do:
1) Access the flash memory chip, which you need to do if you want to modify the Android OS or replace it with a customized version.
2) Make the apps on your phone run faster.
3) Remove pre-installed apps to free up space.
4) Turn the phone into a 3G/4G WI-Fi hotspot without paying an extra fee.
There are also many other reasons for rooting. But these are the most popular ones.

So HTC Wildfire S or Samsung Galaxy Ace is it ..... Can any1 tell me how much of a diff. does 200MHz make in gaming. I mean is it noticable ????
"I Think i will go with SG Ace"

sagar_tiru2006 said:
So HTC Wildfire S or Samsung Galaxy Ace is it ..... Can any1 tell me how much of a diff. does 200MHz make in gaming. I mean is it noticable ????
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Well, in this case it is a speed increase of 1/3 or 33%, just imagine how much higher your PC CPU would be clocked if it was 33% faster.
Go with the SG Ace

If you are willing to install custom roms, I bet the wildfire S can be overclocked to run at a higher mhz.

con247 said:
If you are willing to install custom roms, I bet the wildfire S can be overclocked to run at a higher mhz.
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Well Even if i do plan to Install Custom ROM i dont think i will overclock the CPu ... so final decision is Galaxy Ace will purchase within 2-3weeks.
Thanks Guyz for all your replies !! Mods you may Close this Thread !!!

Guyz I need your help. My brother is in US and i am getting this deal HTC Wildfire S NoContract for $99 but for Virgin mobile
Just needed to Ask can I unlock it to use local carriers in india .... !!!
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12241576
Please reply bfore 25th itz only for sale on thanks giving !!!

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Go with lg optimus one.Has loads of support on xda.Almost all roms(excepy miui)ported for this phone.And yes,it can be overclocked to 806 mhz.I dont think ace has any support on xda.

ashishv said:
Go with lg optimus one.Has loads of support on xda.Almost all roms(excepy miui)ported for this phone.And yes,it can be overclocked to 806 mhz.I dont think ace has any support on xda.
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Well both are out of the bill actually i am now talking about the Wildfire S Virgin Mobile !!! As i am gettin it @ $100 from USA No Contract.
Only worries is will it be easy to unlock for indian carriers !!! ???