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This morning, went to market->My Apps on my Xoom, and it's only showing about half of my apps. No apparent pattern to what is missing (and I can see that market still has them, just its not seeing them associated with my account.) It was fine yesterday, and no updates on my end.
Anyone else seeing this?
eric
ericbergan said:
This morning, went to market->My Apps on my Xoom, and it's only showing about half of my apps. No apparent pattern to what is missing (and I can see that market still has them, just its not seeing them associated with my account.) It was fine yesterday, and no updates on my end.
Anyone else seeing this?
eric
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When you scroll down your list in MyApps, do you see a list of uninstalled apps after the installed apps? If not, look at the menu (the 4 stacked up lines in upper right hand corner) and click on purchase history. That should have all the apps you've downloaded and you should be able to reinstall the missing ones, unless Google Market thinks they are no longer compatible with your Xoom.
okantomi said:
When you scroll down your list in MyApps, do you see a list of uninstalled apps after the installed apps? If not, look at the menu (the 4 stacked up lines in upper right hand corner) and click on purchase history. That should have all the apps you've downloaded and you should be able to reinstall the missing ones, unless Google Market thinks they are no longer compatible with your Xoom.
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No, they aren't listing as uninstalled, not listing at all. Purchase history on the market.android.com web site is showing them, with install completed. So far, I think I've only seen free apps missing, but need to check more closely. But it's not all free apps, some remain.
Ok, one new data point. My market account is shared between my Xoom and my Photon. Just checked on the Photon and it is still showing apps in my apps that are not showing up on the Xoom (like Adobe Flash.) Very strange...
eric
ericbergan said:
No, they aren't listing as uninstalled, not listing at all. Purchase history on the market.android.com web site is showing them, with install completed. So far, I think I've only seen free apps missing, but need to check more closely. But it's not all free apps, some remain.
Ok, one new data point. My market account is shared between my Xoom and my Photon. Just checked on the Photon and it is still showing apps in my apps that are not showing up on the Xoom (like Adobe Flash.) Very strange...
eric
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A simple reboot should solve the problem. It has happened to me a few times at random, but not as of lately. Not sure if the market runs into some issues or the system itself, but after a reboot everything should pop up and be just fine. It always did for me when I had this issue.
diablo2224 said:
A simple reboot should solve the problem. It has happened to me a few times at random, but not as of lately. Not sure if the market runs into some issues or the system itself, but after a reboot everything should pop up and be just fine. It always did for me when I had this issue.
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Rebooted, no change. Dug further, I'm only seeing paid apps, plus Google Maps and Videos in the list. But if I go in market to one of the other apps (for instance, Kindle), the market page offers open/manage, not install, so at that level it knows I have downloaded/installed the app.
Sent off a "Contact Us" to Google.
eric
Response from Google yesterday asked me to remove updates to Market. Problem was, I haven't received any updates to Market. So latest is that this is a problem they've seen in some other cases, no current fix, but a "specialist" will be getting in touch with me. No further followup today.
eric
Two days, two nags on the support email, no contact from the "specialist".
Found an app that I had installed that wasn't showing up had an update. Navigated to the app in market, and it showed update. Did the update. As the update finished, the app flickered into the My Apps list for about 2 seconds, then disappeared out of the list.
eric
Well, nagged Google again today, at least for a hint of when there might be a fix. Did get a response - basically we know there is a problem, we have no estimate for a workaround or a fix.
eric
ericbergan said:
Well, nagged Google again today, at least for a hint of when there might be a fix. Did get a response - basically we know there is a problem, we have no estimate for a workaround or a fix.
eric
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Here's what I would try if I were you:
1. Go to the options, applications, manage applications, all, and then scroll down and click the Market. Since you are having major issues it sounds like, I would recommend that you just hit clear data for the Market app. Maybe restart before you open the market again. See if that helps at all.
2. Just out of curiosity I would install the latest market update that was released for phones. I would see if the problem was still persistent there in the new market app. This market was intended for phones at the moment, but it looks like it will support tablets soon. It seems to fit pretty well on the Xoom. If all goes well, maybe you can stick with that one for a bit.
Here you can find the most recent apk for the market that was released for the phones some days ago: Android Market 3.1.3
That's really the only advice I can think of. If you were rooted you would wipe data, caches, and dalvik cache to start a fresh new install to see if that changes anything. On technical speaking terms: there really is not much else you can do if this all does not work for you. Never seen anyone experience this before.
Thanks for the suggestions. Just tried both, and neither made a difference. Actually, pretty surprised 2) didn't make at least something different about the problem. I'm starting to wonder if the problem is something on the server/account side...
Google says they have seen others with the problem and are working on it, guess I'll just have to wait them out.
eric
ericbergan said:
Thanks for the suggestions. Just tried both, and neither made a difference. Actually, pretty surprised 2) didn't make at least something different about the problem. I'm starting to wonder if the problem is something on the server/account side...
Google says they have seen others with the problem and are working on it, guess I'll just have to wait them out.
eric
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Sounds like it's server sided to me, which is really odd. I suppose it is a very unknown problem that only a very select few people have run into. Like I said, I have never seen this issue before on the Xoom.
I tried my best to help, but it's beyond anything we can deal with personally. Google says that they are working on this problem, so just hang in there.
Yup, will have to wait for a Google fix. Thanks for the replies!
eric
I'm not sure if you fixed it yet but here goes. I had the same problem; more than half of my apps would not show up under the "My Apps" list, even though if I searched for them in the market I could still update/uninstall them. I also searched through the forums but none of the suggestions helped. I finally fixed it tonight. Here's what I did:
(Oh yeah, you'll need Titanium Backup to be able to use the Market Doctor)
First I went to Settings->Applications->Manage Applications.
Selected the Market. Cleared cache, data, and uninstall updates.
Then immediately (I suggest you have it ready as a background app) I opened Titanium Backup and ran the Market Doctor. The reason i say 'immediately' is because the Market will re-update itself fairly fast so you have to get it done before it does so since I believe the Market Doctor does not work with the new Market.
That was pretty much it. When I opened the Market I saw that all my apps actually showed up in the My Apps list even after the Market updated itself. Hope it works for you.
I think you need to be rooted to use Titanium Backup, don't you? I'm running stock.
Nope, no more followup from Google at all. And now, even if I manually go to the market entry for an app, it won't always show me the "update" button, even though there is an update available.
eric
3 business weeks in, no fix, no workaround, not even an update email that they are still working on it. Google has a lot of customer support ground to cover to be a consumer company, and for now (3 weeks) I can't update my apps.
eric
Still getting the runaround from the Google Android Market Team. "At this time, I'm unable to provide a timeline for resolution, though I can assure you that we're aware of the issue and actively investigating. Thank you for your patience!" every time I nag them for the last 4 weeks. No request for more data from me, debug/logging version to run, etc.
So Monday I asked to have the case transfered to the manager. Get a new email, from "Richard" (no last name, same email address as the prior support member) saying the case had been transferred to him, and saying exactly the same text. Replied asking if there was anything I could provide to help, no response in now two days.
Looks like Google still hasn't learned anything about customer support. Can't wait to see how they do with Moto if the deal goes through...
eric
So "Richard" wrote back, explaining that they all use the same email address, and carefully avoiding answering my question about his role, i.e. was he really a supervisor/manager.
He told me that they have identified the source of the problem, so don't need any further information from me. No, there is not a fix available of any kind, and he doesn't know when there will be one. No, there is no work around other than calling up each app individually in Market and seeing if there is an update (not very practical for my large number of apps.)
At this point, I'm tired of beating a dead horse. I know we aren't Google's customers, we're their product, but they still have to learn to take user satisfaction seriously.
eric
ericbergan said:
So "Richard" wrote back, explaining that they all use the same email address, and carefully avoiding answering my question about his role, i.e. was he really a supervisor/manager.
He told me that they have identified the source of the problem, so don't need any further information from me. No, there is not a fix available of any kind, and he doesn't know when there will be one. No, there is no work around other than calling up each app individually in Market and seeing if there is an update (not very practical for my large number of apps.)
At this point, I'm tired of beating a dead horse. I know we aren't Google's customers, we're their product, but they still have to learn to take user satisfaction seriously.
eric
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Not sure what to say at this point. If it was more widespread it would have been fixed right away. But, if it appears that they have now identified the problem, the coders will resolve it within days from now.
My final suggestion is to make a new email account altogether and try that. See if it still is the same problem. If so: It is your device, not Google.
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Not sure what to say at this point. If it was more widespread it would have been fixed right away. But, if it appears that they have now identified the problem, the coders will resolve it within days from now.
My final suggestion is to make a new email account altogether and try that. See if it still is the same problem. If so: It is your device, not Google.
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It's not the device, because the problem is also replicated on the web site. Also, remember the Xoom is the reference device for Honeycomb (and I'm running stock), so still a Google issue if it is Xoom specific.
Given it's been a month and they haven't been interested in getting any further data from me, I'm not overly optimistic that it will be fixed in the next few days, but I'd love to be proved wrong.
eric
ericbergan said:
It's not the device, because the problem is also replicated on the web site. Also, remember the Xoom is the reference device for Honeycomb (and I'm running stock), so still a Google issue if it is Xoom specific.
Given it's been a month and they haven't been interested in getting any further data from me, I'm not overly optimistic that it will be fixed in the next few days, but I'd love to be proved wrong.
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Oh I hear ya man. I'm just not sure what else to tell ya, sorry man.
Keep crossing your fingers and hoping for the best. You've done your part as a customer by contacting them and letting them know the problem, and they seemed to have identified the issue now. So I'd say you're in better shape than you previously were at the beginning.
Hi all ,
I really hope I'm not duplicating here, but I've had a look and it seems like no-one has had this exact problem. Please accept my apologies if there is someone with an absolutely identical problem and I've just not seen it. I have looked on various different forums however, and to no avail.
Background - I got my shiny new HTC Sensation at the end of Oct. Fell in love with it, and Android, quite quickly, as it gave me the customising ability that I could never get from my iPhone.
Issue - Every 6 days since I got it (a pattern I've only just noticed) the lock screen freezes. The ring and shortcuts are there, but no background - just black. No touch input works, but if I call it, it rings and the status bar responds, I just can't get into it. The only way to get to it, is to take the battery out and do a factory reset. This is obviously incredibly annoying as, even tho I have a good backup system, I still need to do all my widgets and shortcuts and blah blah blah. The reason I've only just worked out that it seems to be a 6-daily cycle, is that my provider have already replaced the handset once, and it still does it even on the new one. The latest episode was on Friday night just gone.
Current situation - On the advice of my provider, I am now using my phone without the SD card in it, and without any apps apart from the the stock ones. Then, if it's still running after a week, they told me to put the SD back in, and then get my apps back on in batches of 2 or 3. This is going to be a very lengthy process, and will therefore be a massive inconvenience.
Question - Does anyone have any idea what might be causing this? I'm a total droid noob, but I've read lots of stuff and spoken to a few people and I've come up with the conclusion that it might be an auto task killer that is messing with a process, or it could be something that tries to update every 6 days, but causes a massive conflict somewhere in doing so. I'm really just guessing there, which is why I have come to what seems to be the best source of info on smartphones, to see if any of you guys and gals might have any ideas on this issue.
Thanks so much in advance for any help anyone may be able to throw in my direction.
Mike
a reset wont work? are you ROOTED? or Stock? if anwsered these im sorry its like 48 hour day for me right now and reading and even typing is putting me to sleep,
but back to your problem it could be something updating and causing the issue, if it happens every 6 days, on the 5th day go into phone and turn off background data, this will stop anything that wants to update in background, and see if that stop the problem, then you know it is something that is running that causing the issue
or possible as stated a auto task killer,
what apps do you usually have normally, a list of what you install on your phone can do eliminate of process
Hi ilostchild,
Thanks so much for your response.
In answer to your questions:
Not rooted. I really want to, but because of this issue, have not done so yet. So it's got HTC Sense 3.0, and lots of apps that I have never used and will never use from my provider, Orange.
Here's a list of downloaded apps:
Apps:
Dropbox
Tappin
Evernote
Es File Explorer, Task Manager & Security Manager
AVG antivirus (free)
Viber
Bump
IMDb
Ultimate Guitar tabs (Purchased)
Backup Everything
Dolphin Browser
Tune in Radio (Purchased)
Perfect Keyboard (Purchased)
PowerAMP full (Purchased)
Soundcloud
Zedge (I have "auto change wallpaper" option on)
ebay + paypal
MX Video player
Kindle
Skitch
uTorrent Remote
App2SD
Applist Backup
Various google apps (goggles, night sky, g+ etc)
Games:
Contract Killer
Drag Racing
Non market games:
Gameloft - Asphalt 6 Adrenaline; N.O.V.A. 2; Eternal Legacy
I think that's everything.
So, at the moment I am using my phone without the SD card, on the advice of my provider, to see if it is the SD card that is causing the issue. Could it be the SD card that is causing the problem? It doesn't make much sense to me as I can't see how a corrupt or problematic card would be causing such a time-related issue. However, as I said in my first post, I am an Android noob, so I'm not basing that assumption on anything apart from what I know about PCs.
One thought I did have, was that it may be my Zedge app. I had it installed on both the original handset and the recent replacement one. Plus, I had it set to an hourly wallpaper auto-change, and when the phone freezes, there is no wallpaper visible on the lock screen. Again, that is purely guesswork.
I hope that info is useful for you. And thanks again for taking the time to answer my post.
If you need any other info I will be more than happy to provide it.
It could possibly be that app zedge, ans no can't be sdcard if it was it would fail on the spot , also could be avg virus scanner , I suggest clearing phone and just installing zedge and see by sixth day, if it doesn't try avg, I only can see those 2 causing the problem
Thanks again for your help.
I'll try your suggestions. It's good to know it's not the SD card. I can start taking pictures again!
I wouldn't say it was avg I got it on my senny and its ok try the other app 1st how often does it change ur wallpaper and how many are there
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I wouldn't say it was avg I got it on my senny and its ok try the other app 1st how often does it change ur wallpaper and how many are there
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Evenin' squire,
Thanks for your input.
I have it set to one hour intervals (I bore easily!) and there are probably about 20 wallpapers that it cycles through. I'll give a go for a while without that app - although I've had a look for any known issues with it and I can't find any that are similar to my issue. I guess it could be a conflict with something else and I'm just unlucky enough to have the exact config of apps that creates that particular problem!
Thanks again mate.
Im not a dev, but i thought of this, what you could do is when it freezes up you can plug it in computer and get a logcat, maybe someone who can read it will know what happen
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Im not a dev, but i thought of this, what you could do is when it freezes up you can plug it in computer and get a logcat, maybe someone who can read it will know what happen
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That sounds like a really good plan, only problem is, I have no idea how to do it.
What do i do after plugging it in? Do i need any software on my PC?
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adb/fastboot/sdk installed, and when it happens just plug phone to computer,
go to adb directory(unless you have it set in windows enviroment)
and do adb logcat and it will output bunch of stuff and copy and paste it here
Thanks man.
Well, I'm on day 8 now with no issues (really hopeni haven't jinxed it now!).
I haven't re-installed Zedge or the avg antivirus and I've kept auto-sync off.
I will come back if it happens again, but in the meantime, thanks so much for your help with this. It's so good to know that there are actually people out there who don't mind helping out a fellow human.
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Np, man glad to see it working, i suggest try it with auto-sync now without the app
see what happens, but glad its working good for you
Hello all,
I know there are lots of posts on this forum and on the web about this subject, a few on this particular phone. However, after hours of research, I'm a bit frustrated because I get conflicting info on what to do.
I have modified my Skyrocket heavily and one of the things I left for last is to get rid of all the junk. After installing everything and making all changes, I pulled a full list of all apps from Titanium Back Pro.
It was quite a HUGE list so I went through it today and filtered out everything I do not or should not remove. I was left with the following list of apps that I'm really unsure of and wondering if they can be removed? Some of these apps I have no clue what they are and why they are there (ex. buddies, badgeprovider, kobo, etc).
Anyways, I know it is a pain in the ass and will take some time for some of you to go through this list, but I really would like some advice as to which of these are really not needed. Again, file was massive but I did cut it down significantly to these...
Also, I'm assuming that I should freeze the apps you tell me are OK instead of removing? I do rather freeze but I did completely uninstall just a handful of AT&T apps (non system apps) that really annoyed me. Hope that is not a problem when updating come time via OTA.
Any help is appreciated...
Best,
--mike
Here is bloatware list that you can freeze.
pookieguy said:
Hello all,
I know there are lots of posts on this forum and on the web about this subject, a few on this particular phone. However, after hours of research, I'm a bit frustrated because I get conflicting info on what to do.
I have modified my Skyrocket heavily and one of the things I left for last is to get rid of all the junk. After installing everything and making all changes, I pulled a full list of all apps from Titanium Back Pro.
It was quite a HUGE list so I went through it today and filtered out everything I do not or should not remove. I was left with the following list of apps that I'm really unsure of and wondering if they can be removed? Some of these apps I have no clue what they are and why they are there (ex. buddies, badgeprovider, kobo, etc).
Anyways, I know it is a pain in the ass and will take some time for some of you to go through this list, but I really would like some advice as to which of these are really not needed. Again, file was massive but I did cut it down significantly to these...
Also, I'm assuming that I should freeze the apps you tell me are OK instead of removing? I do rather freeze but I did completely uninstall just a handful of AT&T apps (non system apps) that really annoyed me. Hope that is not a problem when updating come time via OTA.
Any help is appreciated...
Best,
--mike
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Thank you...
I will take a look and see how it does compare to the list I generated and posted here.
--mike
Hello,
I'm considering purchasing One X but after reading so many posts about multitasking issues I have serious doubts. I can not really check this since it takes time to see the issue but how if I don't use Sense (use alternative launcher like GoLauncher, will I still have this issue or Sense is bigger then just laucher itself.
artisticcheese said:
Hello,
I'm considering purchasing One X but after reading so many posts about multitasking issues I have serious doubts. I can not really check this since it takes time to see the issue but how if I don't use Sense (use alternative launcher like GoLauncher, will I still have this issue or Sense is bigger then just laucher itself.
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Sense is bigger than the launcher. Sense affects a lot of the core phone's features can can't be removed with just a launcher. In this particular case, Sense affects memory management, as well as the actual multitasking app itself.
Let's put it this way. If you're playing a game like say... Radiant Defense (awesome game, btw) that takes a while to complete a level and you get a text message... switching to the messaging app will actually cause the game to close. Now you can use the "multitasking" app to go back to the game, but the game will reload. It will not leave off where you left it.
If that sounds like something that would bother you a lot... I'd avoid the phone. HTC has even said that this is a core Sense 4 FEATURE, not a defect. So they won't be fixing it.
Personally don't think this really warrants a new thread, you probably should have just asked in the ongoing discussion on this.
Haven't tried an alternate launcher yet, so I can't comment on that. But as to the basic question of "how bad" the issue is, I think it depends greatly on how you use your phone, and what you expect from it. Obviously, HTC expects most people to be okay with it, or they wouldn't have tweaked it this way. Only had the phone for a few days, but so far the memory management doesn't seem much different from how the HTC Flyer does it, and I've been fine with that (having owned it since June 2011).
Like posted above, Sense is more than just a launcher. The multi-task changes are likely deep in the kernel.
To me, it is not a big deal. I don't like anything running in the background anyway. And for that matter, the number 1 app in the past a typical Android user uses is Auto Task killer which serves the exact same purpose as the new Sense 4.0. I suspect a lot of those Auto Tasker kill users now also the ones who complain about HTC's feature.
Either way, the biggest problem is with Android itself. There isn't any uniform way to inform OS that an app requires to remain running in background (unless you created a service) can be kept that way. And there is no way for an app that doesn't do anything in the background to be suspended without using any system resources. For later, both iOS and WP7 have much better implementation.
For many years now, I use Google Listen as my podcast player everyday. It works in most times while in the background but a lot of occasions, this app will be closed by OS while I'm listening to the podcast. This behavior is the same on couple different Android phones (samsung and now HTC One X). So, if google's own app can't even stay alive in background in various Android phones, it speaks volume that multi-tasking is a over-hyped feature. What HTC did is not necessary bad to everyone. For example, my Samsung phones (SGS, SGS2 and GTab 10.1) doesn't auto kill bakcground tasks (still kills my GListen) but they all lags badly from time to time.
For what it worth, I can use Google Listen in the background while running Google Nav app in the fore ground for a few hours without problem (other than occasionally Listen get closed for no reason).
I have had mine for 2 weeks and only knew about a "problem" from reading these threads.
In all in how you use it. First reply answered it best
ricktat said:
I have had mine for 2 weeks and only knew about a "problem" from reading these threads.
In all in how you use it. First reply answered it best
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Agreed. The only app I use for streaming in the background is subsonic, which functions just fine.
Also I have the very very slight annoyance that games have to completely reload if you exit them and don't switch back very very quickly. So if I get a phone call and go right back to game it's fine, but if I go web browse or something else and go back the game has to reload. This is mitigated somewhat by the raw speed of the phone, as game loading doesn't take very long (unless the game is a ****ty port like PvZ).
To avoid confusion, lets just keep this conversation with the ongoing one here. Thanks.
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A lot of people have been complaining about UI and browsing lag. I have absolutely no lag, I thought it was because I have cleanROM, but ppl with custom ROMS still complain about lag. I am like Mary Poppins when it comes to keeping my infinity clean, which has led me to beleive the lag most people see is because they have too many homescreens, widgets, and unnecessary crapware. It doesnt matter how powerful your machine is if it is not used efficiently it will lag. If you want to get rid of lag, consider using a simpler set up. I only have 1 homescreen, 3 widgets, zero icons anywhere (including app drawer). I only have 12 downloaded apps, and only 1 runs in the background - GMD Gesture Conrol - which allows me to access everything i need at anytime with no more than 2 gestures. This allows me to multitask like a beast and delete everything else (widgets, icons, homescreens, etc.). The moral of the story is.....
Take a very long hard look at every app, every setting, and every widget, and ask yourself "is this really necessary" - If you would rather throw away your tablet then disable it, keep it, if not, get rid of it.
I havent disabled all animations either, just the unnecessary ones, looking good and being functional are not mutually exclusive.....in all walks of life lol
When in doubt, remeber the adage....
Aint nobody dope as me im dressed so fresh so clean
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Although, obviously, I agree that loading up any device to the very brim with crap, I hardly believe that the developers in here (who are much more experienced, I assume, than you and me combined) haven't looked at that aspect as well. I myself have a spartan desktop (no icons, no widgets), but even then I sense some lag here and there.
It's device-specific to boot, so I think -- speaking generally -- it's a bit too easy to tell people to throw their widgets and icons off the homescreen and TADAAA... the lag is gone. I think it is more complicated. I'm happy it works for you, though.
MartyHulskemper said:
Although, obviously, I agree that loading up any device to the very brim with crap, I hardly believe that the developers in here (who are much more experienced, I assume, than you and me combined) haven't looked at that aspect as well. I myself have a spartan desktop (no icons, no widgets), but even then I sense some lag here and there.
It's device-specific to boot, so I think -- speaking generally -- it's a bit too easy to tell people to throw their widgets and icons off the homescreen and TADAAA... the lag is gone. I think it is more complicated. I'm happy it works for you, though.
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There a lot less developers on here than you think, take a look at some of the questions that are asked, its not hard to tell most people on here are not developers (also why this is posted in the "general" section). I agree that while we each have the same hardware, not all hardware is equal, manufacturing isnt perfect, no doubt, not all cpus of the same model get the same performance. Also, take a look at some of the homescreens, etc, that are posted, and its somewhat obvious that most people do not have a spartan setup. While I am not suggesting people throw everything away, something simple like cleaning the hell out of your system can make a significant difference, more so than what a general user would expect. This advice is obviously NOT for developers who know their stuff lol
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There's a lot less developers on here than you think. Take a look at some of the questions that are asked....
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I believe your user experience input is a good thing!
Most Androidians myself as well are not the all knowing developer types.
What I see most is folks just wanting basic info to reach a fully functioning comfort level.
When someone like yourself can speak in simple terms and offer a boot up all the better!
The Infinity forum is one of the best.
There are some great folks in here!
I hope I have articulated this reply a bit better (and nicer) than my first one. It was running late ( deep into the night already) after a pretty busy day, and I still had a lot of stuff to do. Not good for my energy level and state of mind, LOL. I apologize if you felt crossed, or if I hit a nerve. That was never my intention.
lucius.zen said:
There a lot less developers on here than you think, take a look at some of the questions that are asked, its not hard to tell most people on here are not developers (also why this is posted in the "general" section).
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I fully agree, but I wasn't referring to them and their own devices -- rather, it's them who develop the ROMs we are running, and they are doing pretty amazing stuff eliminating lag at its basis. Keeping a system clean is the cherry on that cake.
I agree that while we each have the same hardware, not all hardware is equal, manufacturing isnt perfect, no doubt, not all cpus of the same model get the same performance.
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That was exactly my point regarding the effect being device-specific -- both in regards to the origin of the lag and the solution to that nasty issue.
Also, take a look at some of the homescreens, etc, that are posted, and its somewhat obvious that most people do not have a spartan setup.
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You formulated that quite nicely. I am a bit surprised that some people can actually get their 700 to boot up with all the crap.
While I am not suggesting people throw everything away, something simple like cleaning the hell out of your system can make a significant difference, more so than what a general user would expect. This advice is obviously NOT for developers who know their stuff lol
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As Thats_OK said, I, too, are thankful you're speaking up, and give the newbies to Android in general and the ones in here specifically a pointer. I only deplored the fact that you didn't hit oil, or a gold vein, in terms of solving lags. And I just wanted to point out -- just to clarify my point regarding the devs coming into to play here -- that, as long as you pick a solid custom ROM, you already get a tweaked system that is less sensitivie to lag out of the box, and that a large proportion of that lag is hardware-based, and is here to stay (unfortunately).
I f I got a euro for every idiot that keeps his/her desktop absolutely loaded with rubbish, and then complains about lag, I'd be in the Quote 500.
Regardless of the OS, the more crap you have running and deposited on your desktop, the slower it becomes.
Every single fancy Widget, Launcher, Overlay, LWP, App, Shortcut or bloody Popup slows your system down.
No developer can defend him/herself and their ROM against idiots who think it's a good idea to put their entire app drawer on their homescreens along with half a dozen sticky notes and some funny clocks and other random crap. You can release the cleanest ROM you can think of, but if an ignorant user puts a hundred apps on the homescreen and runs a heavy Live Wallpaper, it'll lag.
People also need to learn to shut down useless processes. Pressing the home key whilst in a game shuts it down on a phone, it DOESN'T do so on a tablet. At least, not this one. It keeps running. It does on occasion help to go into Settings-->Apps-->Running and kill all remaining games, apps and junk. And then going into Cached Processes (top right), and doing the same thing again. A cached game still uses part of the system.
Just to play devils advocate here, one of the big "pluses" of Android is the fact that it has widgets! Personally, I have 3 home screens and probably a total of about 10 widgets total. But, there is no way in hell that I'm going to dump these widgets as they are *extremely* useful and one of the reasons that I switched to Android in the first place!
That being said, my system runs perfectly on CleanROM using the *stock* kernel. I used to run Clemsyns' kernel, but with the latest version of CleanROM, I've found that the stock kernel actually seems to run better (and also allows unlimited email sync, which for some strange reason, goes away with Cleamsyn kernel)... Even the animations seem smoother on the stock kernel now...
I also use an app called WidgetLocker, which allows you to place widgets on the lock screen, so that my lock screen looks like this (excuse the crude editing to protect the innocent!):
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
With this, a simple press of the power button (or moving my bluetooth mouse when at work) gives me *tons* of useful information *very* quickly! I couldn't live without it at this point (my main home screen is similar, but different).
I guess I'm just trying to say that if you are going to abandon widgets and homescreen, etc - then you just lost a *big* benefit of Android!
You *can* still use widgets (even a lot of them) and multiple home screen and still get great performance. I don't want new users to get the wrong idea from this thread!
Also, I *never* manually stop any processes and never have a problem... Again, you shouldn't have to worry about killing processes to get a good-running system.
Just my two cents!
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 2
I think jtrosky is right, and this occurred to me last night when going over the post after having replied: essentially, we're talking about usability. Optimizing that should mean to strike a balance between raw power (i.e., absence of lag, amongst other criteria) and the added bonus of having information at your proverbial fingertips. It's very inefficient if you have to enter a specific application every time you need that little scrap of information (whether that is a weather forecast or an e-mail header or something).
While I appreciate the gesture of sharing the information, I have to question the rationale behind all the suggestions in the OP. Of course the device will lag here and there, but it is still usable out of the box. Why would I want to refrain from using features that are so useful like widgets and multiple home screens just to make other things that I don't need run faster (for instance, faster boot time)? Most importantly, limiting the number of apps installed is not an option, at least to people like me who use the tablet to replace my laptop most of the time.
If lags really bug you guys this much, someone may have to start working on porting iOS to our Infinity. Then there would be no complaint about widgets and multiple home screen slowing you down.
Anyway, I just want to share my point of view. No intention to start an unnecessary argument.
I think I need to clarify some things I meant.
An App you use and an App that's just there.
Some (many) have the weather widget on their homescreen, but never look at it or even update it. It's the first thing I deleted
Email widgets. If you only get one/two emails per day, and/or if you keep WiFi off all the time, there's really no point in keeping it on your homescreen.
Some, (and I'm guilty of this. All my games, anyway.) have all their apps on their homescrees as well. The app drawer is only one tap away.
News widgets, when you keep WiFi off.
Three or four different keyboards at once. I once had Swiftkey, Hackers and Asus running at once. This slowed down my system, while I only used one of them,
Live wallpapers. Some are so resource-heavy that they cause a lot of lag. Fine if you like it, but don't whine your system lags.
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I hope I have articulated this reply a bit better (and nicer) than my first one. It was running late ( deep into the night already) after a pretty busy day, and I still had a lot of stuff to do. Not good for my energy level and state of mind, LOL. I apologize if you felt crossed, or if I hit a nerve. That was never my intention.
I fully agree, but I wasn't referring to them and their own devices -- rather, it's them who develop the ROMs we are running, and they are doing pretty amazing stuff eliminating lag at its basis. Keeping a system clean is the cherry on that cake.That was exactly my point regarding the effect being device-specific -- both in regards to the origin of the lag and the solution to that nasty issue.You formulated that quite nicely. I am a bit surprised that some people can actually get their 700 to boot up with all the crap. As Thats_OK said, I, too, are thankful you're speaking up, and give the newbies to Android in general and the ones in here specifically a pointer. I only deplored the fact that you didn't hit oil, or a gold vein, in terms of solving lags. And I just wanted to point out -- just to clarify my point regarding the devs coming into to play here -- that, as long as you pick a solid custom ROM, you already get a tweaked system that is less sensitivie to lag out of the box, and that a large proportion of that lag is hardware-based, and is here to stay (unfortunately).
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I agree with you, insalling a custom ROM is the best way to go to fix lag, and the developers on here are bad ASS!
I think people who do end up with great setups with reduced lag should share more in general, considering how many people post about having really negative experiences.
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Just to play devils advocate here, one of the big "pluses" of Android is the fact that it has widgets! Personally, I have 3 home screens and probably a total of about 10 widgets total. But, there is no way in hell that I'm going to dump these widgets as they are *extremely* useful and one of the reasons that I switched to Android in the first place!
That being said, my system runs perfectly on CleanROM using the *stock* kernel. I used to run Clemsyns' kernel, but with the latest version of CleanROM, I've found that the stock kernel actually seems to run better (and also allows unlimited email sync, which for some strange reason, goes away with Cleamsyn kernel)... Even the animations seem smoother on the stock kernel now...
I also use an app called WidgetLocker, which allows you to place widgets on the lock screen, so that my lock screen looks like this (excuse the crude editing to protect the innocent!):
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With this, a simple press of the power button (or moving my bluetooth mouse when at work) gives me *tons* of useful information *very* quickly! I couldn't live without it at this point (my main home screen is similar, but different).
I guess I'm just trying to say that if you are going to abandon widgets and homescreen, etc - then you just lost a *big* benefit of Android!
You *can* still use widgets (even a lot of them) and multiple home screen and still get great performance. I don't want new users to get the wrong idea from this thread!
Also, I *never* manually stop any processes and never have a problem... Again, you shouldn't have to worry about killing processes to get a good-running system.
Just my two cents!
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 2
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I agree, widgets are sweet and one of the reasons i love android. My tab is still incredibly functional, there are just ways to do everything and get all the information you need without loading a tons of stuff. My spartan setup has not sacrificed functionlity for cleanliness - I am getting a degree in sciences and havent used my laptop since i got this tab 6 mos ago, my tablet is incredibly functional, to the point where i prefer it to using brand new iMacs at my lab.
I just see most widgets and apps as completely useless. Most settings are accessible from the status bar, and all apps can be accessible at any time thru apps like swipepad/GMD gesture control/home2shortcut which can help cut down on the need for widgets, homescreens, and the app drawer altogether (which i have functionally disabled).
Edit - My major pet peeve is live wall papers, seriously wtf is the point, consuming cpu? lol
EDIT - I know this aint for the faint of heart, however, I just flashed CLemsyns 1.9 Ghz Kernel this morning and everything is super stable and temp is good after stress tests. Also..........
GOT A 7524 IN QUADRANT....wadup....I can load **** loads of flash videos and I dont even get lag.....fckin sweeeeeet
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Just to play devils advocate here, one of the big "pluses" of Android is the fact that it has widgets! Personally, I have 3 home screens and probably a total of about 10 widgets total. But, there is no way in hell that I'm going to dump these widgets as they are *extremely* useful and one of the reasons that I switched to Android in the first place!
That being said, my system runs perfectly on CleanROM using the *stock* kernel. I used to run Clemsyns' kernel, but with the latest version of CleanROM, I've found that the stock kernel actually seems to run better (and also allows unlimited email sync, which for some strange reason, goes away with Cleamsyn kernel)... Even the animations seem smoother on the stock kernel now...
I also use an app called WidgetLocker, which allows you to place widgets on the lock screen, so that my lock screen looks like this (excuse the crude editing to protect the innocent!):
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With this, a simple press of the power button (or moving my bluetooth mouse when at work) gives me *tons* of useful information *very* quickly! I couldn't live without it at this point (my main home screen is similar, but different).
I guess I'm just trying to say that if you are going to abandon widgets and homescreen, etc - then you just lost a *big* benefit of Android!
You *can* still use widgets (even a lot of them) and multiple home screen and still get great performance. I don't want new users to get the wrong idea from this thread!
Also, I *never* manually stop any processes and never have a problem... Again, you shouldn't have to worry about killing processes to get a good-running system.
Just my two cents!
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 2
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Completely agree here. My reason for staying with Android is how it allows you to customize it to the way you want to use it... widgets and all. If not, I'd just go with iOS as it's more stable and "just works."
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Completely agree here. My reason for staying with Android is how it allows you to customize it to the way you want to use it... widgets and all. If not, I'd just go with iOS as it's more stable and "just works."
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Soooooo true, android was made by nerds, for nerds. If you want to simply open a box and be a lemming, go for apple.
I work at the computer store on my universities campus and most ppl buying an ipad dont even know why they want one, it makes selling their products hella easy (i try not to to be honest), apple is unbelievable at marketing and design, i will give them that lol.