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anyone using Opera mini?

I'm a big user of Opera mini; given the lack of buttons on the Raphael, I'm concerned it is not well-suited for one-handed use. I'm currently using a Treo 700wx and use the exposed keyboard's numeric keys to scroll (2/4/6/8) and #5 to zoom in and out. The whole navigation is extremely fast and smooth. What is the experience like on the Raphael?

Why not just use opera mobile (it's preinstalled)?
smooth zoom, using the touch wheel.
scroll with thumb on screen, or press direction arrows on touch wheel.

trinode said:
Why not just use opera mobile (it's preinstalled)?
smooth zoom, using the touch wheel.
scroll with thumb on screen, or press direction arrows on touch wheel.
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and you can rotate the screen with the accelerometer, no need to pull out the keyboard!

citivolus said:
I'm a big user of Opera mini; given the lack of buttons on the Raphael, I'm concerned it is not well-suited for one-handed use. I'm currently using a Treo 700wx and use the exposed keyboard's numeric keys to scroll (2/4/6/8) and #5 to zoom in and out. The whole navigation is extremely fast and smooth. What is the experience like on the Raphael?
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Opera mini works perfectly on raphael.
Some webs are very heavy and are surfed much quickly with opera mini.....

What if you're laying in bed on your side reading the phone? Can you turn off the automatic flip thing, because in that position it would always be wrong

I tend to use opera mini when i'm out and about as it uses data compression, hence reducing loading times and the amount of data downloaded. However, i have found that even with the text size set to maximum, the font is still very small and soemtimes difficult to read. It can also be difficult to select items unless you use the stylus.

does the scroll wheel to zoom work in opera mini? otherwise i think it will be impossible to surf one handed due to the lack of buttons.

citivolus said:
does the scroll wheel to zoom work in opera mini? otherwise i think it will be impossible to surf one handed due to the lack of buttons.
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no it does not.

do the "Back" and "Home" hard-keys perform any function within Opera mini?

citivolus said:
do the "Back" and "Home" hard-keys perform any function within Opera mini?
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looking for an answer to this...
thanks.

citivolus said:
looking for an answer to this...
thanks.
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Nope... the "home" and "back" buttons are not intercepted by Opera Mini so they both bring you back to the TF3D home screen.

ardsar said:
I tend to use opera mini when i'm out and about as it uses data compression, hence reducing loading times and the amount of data downloaded. However, i have found that even with the text size set to maximum, the font is still very small and soemtimes difficult to read. It can also be difficult to select items unless you use the stylus.
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There is a version of opera mini 4.2b that supports vga screens and large fonts. From your phone use opera mobile and go to http://mini.opera.com/beta/ Then click the link that says "If this version fails..." and download the first version with multiple certificates.

mslug said:
There is a version of opera mini 4.2b that supports vga screens and large fonts. From your phone use opera mobile and go to http://mini.opera.com/beta/ Then click the link that says "If this version fails..." and download the first version with multiple certificates.
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Thanks for the link.
I installed that version on my Fuze and it works very well except for the fact that I cannot zoom in or out. I can pan around the zoomed out page using the 2, 4, 6 & 8 keys (on the hardware keyboard), but pressing the 5 key only activates the mouse pointer.
Is anyone else having trouble zooming?

In Portrait mode, I use the capacitive scroll sensor (circle around the joystick) to scroll. I had to add "Java" as a running app in Advanced Config 3.3 SmartTouch settings to do this. In portrait, hitting the Back button does not scroll back (minimizes the app), so you have to use your finger to hit the back/right soft key on the screen. In Settings, make the font the largest helps to make this bigger.
Opera Mini 4.2 works better in landscape on this device. You can use the arrow keys to move around on the keyboard. You can use the Del//<-- key to go back. You can also use Function Lock (double press Fn) to lock in the numerica keys for scrolling around, though 5 does not do anything for me.

Thanks for your help.
I've never used Opera Mini before and I think maybe I just wasn't using it properly. I didn't have "overview mode" enabled in the settings, and I believe that must be enabled for zooming to function.
I also configured Java to use Smarttouch, which is allowing me to scroll a box around the screen which will zoom to that portion of the screen when I click the center button. Thanks for the tip.
I can't get the zoom feature to work at all in landscape mode though. It just stays zoomed in all the time. I can pan around the screen using the number keys, but I can't zoom out.

Internet Explorer

It could just be me, maybe it is ment to look this way, but....
The internet explorer font is really really big. I even set the text size to "smaller". There is also an annoying scroll bar on the right corner that pops up and takes up about a quarter of the screen.
Another glitch is typing in text. For instance when I try to post something on face book you can't see the text your typing until you actually post. Seems to happen if I put in more the 5 or 6 characters.
I'm old and wear glasses but I don't need the view to be this big!
Any ideas? Besides don't use it?
Thanks.

obviously ur talking about the i.e from the newly created Ookba ROM, and i mentioned this bug to Ookba and he said he was going to try and tackle it shortly.
also, have u tried switching from "Desktop View" to "Mobile View" in i.e.?

I found a nice medium with adjusting the zoom with medium fonts.

Yes, I messed with all the settings. mobile view with smaller text, etc etc. no difference. but thanks!

yea the "let me show you where you on the page by taking up 25% of the page itself" is really annoying. Any reg key to disable this page-scrolling popup?

Dropdown Menus like on iPhone with Opera

Hi!
I'm really satisfied with my HD2 except for 2 things:
1. It doesn't play flash as promised right away (luckily I found the fixOperaFlash in this Forum)
2. When you have large dropdown menus, they are a real pain in the ass to use. Especially the large ones, which are bigger than the screen - e.g. if you are trying to select a brand name from a used car search site. It always takes me several tries before I get to move the menu bar after the dropdown menu appeared. It always scrolls around or the context menu appears.
Is there any possibility to get an easy to scroll dropdown menu like on the iPhone or the G2 Google Phone? I think this is somehow an Opera related problem, not exactly one of the HD2. But on the other hand, on other windows mobile phones you have a stylus, which makes it easier to move the scroll bar. With the HD2 you have not stylus, just the real nice capacitive display. Therefore I think there is a strong need to have flick scrolling drop down menu in Opera on the HD2. Can anybody help please? Thanx in advance.

It is excellent in iPhone for true.
However, it is not possible at the moment in HD2
It is because of the limitations in native windows OS I believe.

skr_xd said:
It is excellent in iPhone for true.
However, it is not possible at the moment in HD2
It is because of the limitations in native windows OS I believe.
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The drop down menus in Skyfire are much better, so it's really an Opera limitation.

Do you tested new version of Opera Mobile 10 beta 2?
Still limited?
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Toss3 said:
The drop down menus in Skyfire are much better, so it's really an Opera limitation.
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Actually he is referring to the dropdown menus within websites in browser.
I donno if you mean the same.
In iphone, the smaller dialog box like selecting language in a website, are different & easy to select as shown below (captured from my iphone 3GS)

It's a limitation of Opera.
Try another browser.

seed_al said:
It's a limitation of Opera.
Try another browser.
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Which browser you are trying about?
Skyfire?
It still needs to use the scroll bar and NOT scrolling inside data in menu.
Any other browser?

skr_xd said:
Which browser you are trying about?
Skyfire?
It still needs to use the scroll bar and NOT scrolling inside data in menu.
Any other browser?
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While the Iphone's method is indeed good it's far from optimal as I like to see all of the options at the same time, which is why I find skyfire's implementation to be the best.

Toss3 said:
While the Iphone's method is indeed good it's far from optimal as I like to see all of the options at the same time, which is why I find skyfire's implementation to be the best.
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BTW, have you browsed with iphone? or are you comparing photos\videos?
It is very easy to scroll with iphone that you don't regret for not showing the more items in the list.
Iam using both and i FEEL the iphone's one is better in this area.
Personal opinions may differ though

Just checked with Opera Mobile 10 Beta2.
The scrolling in drop down menu works well within the popped up list.
Excellent.

[Poll] Dolphin Browser < Stock Browser

I tried out Dolphin Browser for a few days and can't understand how people enjoy that experience more. Obviously I'm not trying to say that their opinion is wrong but I would like to hear how they overcame the issues I had (if it was ever a problem for them).
1. Multitouch - I understand that the stock browser (SB for short) didn't have it for a while, but dolphins was very picky in reformatting text columns after a multitouch zoom and zooming was never very smooth.
2. Bookmarks - I hated the bookmark system. It never arranged as conveniently as the SB and never remembers that I wanted to sort a-z. It also doesn't fit as many on the screen which reults in more scrolling. And why in the world would bookmarks not be an icon option in the popup menu? I do most navigating one-handed, on the bottom half of the phone so when I'm trying to access bookmarks thru dolphins I would have to use my other hand because the lack of multitouch resuts in my palm hitting the screen as I tried to tap this tiny star that is the bookmark opener.
3. Menu layout - simply don't like an intrusive menu taking up the whole screen just because I want to press the back, forward or reload button. I seem to remember a prior version having an option where the menu loadout would only occur after pressing the down arrow, but couldn't find that in this latest version.
4. Ads - nuff said
That said, what I lover is full screen browsing, seeing the subtle green bar at the bottom showing number of open windows, swiping to change windows, removing the on-screen zoom buttons and having the dedicated Google bookmarks tab are all features I will not soon forget as I venture back to the stock browser.
After the multitouch update for the SB(which I seldomly use in browsing, thanks to the awesome double-tap-to-fit feature), what other reasons do you have for continuing to use Dolphin?
Again, not trying to say Dolphin users are wrong, I oust get surprised to hear so many rave reviews when everytime I have tried it has turned out to be an unfulfilling experience.
Edit: hopefully I've posted this in the correct section (maybe General would have been better). I know some out there are very picky about what should go where.

yea i like the stock browser with MT now. Screw dolphin

somehow i feel pity for dolphin's devs..
at one time people rated them as one of the best browser out there, and when our default browser got updated, there's people open up thread just to point out its weaknesses..lol.
it's a free software, so we can choose to use it or not..
btw i myself prefer stock browser as well haha..

agreed.
I don't like how the tabs and buttons are in low resolution. It may look good on other phones but on a nexus OLED screen....it doesn't look good.

To be fair, the only big update to the stock browser since its inception (inception for me being a few months after the G1 came out) is MT, and icon-bookmarks and that wouldn't affect my final opinion of Dolphin either way. I tried out Dolphin back on my G1 and wasn't a huge fan of it then, either.
As far as the devs go, if they read my OP (highly unlikely) I really hope they just look at it as some random donkey with suggestions as opposed to me trying to say their product has no place in Android devices.

Steel in complete junk and always was. Dolphin has its moment but I don't care for MT as it is so that was never really a draw for me. The low-res icons exists on the G1/myTouch. I'm sure that Dolphin has its use and I certainly don't mind competition as that can only be good for us as end users. I prefer the stock browser as it serves its purpose very well. Dolphin needs to get rid of the confusing, unintuitive menu system.

Gestures and the "open windows" pane are excellent.
Prefer default becuase of MT/text formatting/Bookmark Icons.

Now that Stock has Multi-Touch and Double-tap to Fit-to-screen... I haven't touched Dolphin.
Dolphin is great for it's auto-sizing so far as webpages are concerned... But it's really just too much in my opinion. I like the layout of stock, and the menu is just simpler. Gestures were really startin' to irritate me too. Some are easy, but making your own and the phone would get mine about 33-50% of the time.

I started using dolphin on my g1 mainly for the full screen options and the ability to download just about any type of file to the phone. I kind of gave up on the stock browser pretty soon after I started using dolphin. however the ads are annoying & the ui sucks major ass, after reading all your thoughts I'm inclined to give the stock browser another chance.
oh yeah and the ability to hold down back and be presented with a dialogue to clear cache and close from dolphin was another big selling point for me.

loving the stock browser!!
occasionly switch over to Xscope

The bookmark syncing in Dolphin is good though....
Why does the stock not have that? (or am I missing something here)

irenic said:
somehow i feel pity for dolphin's devs..
at one time people rated them as one of the best browser out there, and when our default browser got updated, there's people open up thread just to point out its weaknesses..lol.
it's a free software, so we can choose to use it or not..
btw i myself prefer stock browser as well haha..
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This is how the software world works though...
A void is found and someone/a team steps up and fills that void; in this case it was a broswer to answer the asks of all the users not pleased with this or that in the stock browser.
Once the majority of the asks were met with an update, the need for an additional installed app went away for almost all users.
If firefox comes to android you can bet everyone who is calling dolphin garbage compared to the SB will be doing the same with the SB compared to FF....just the way it works
Personally, I would LOVE FF to hit android; I really miss xmarks and adblock. Yep.

i need to try stock I've been using dolphin ever since........

Right now I Prefer the default because of Text formatting and Bookmark Icons.

Dolphin browser was pretty slick a few updates ago, then they messed it up with the menu navigation.

Gestures...full screen...and to deal with the ads...adfree (if rooted).

Hmmm... I'm not sure if I'm right bout this, but I think loading pages on the dolphin browser is quicker, I tested and compared both browsers against my co worker's Iphone, and SB loaded a few seconds behind the Iphone, then I tried it on the dolphin browser and it loaded up faster, of course I've tried this several times and got the same results. It was a very noticeable difference too, so from that point on I never used SB again.... You guys should try it out and let me know what you think.

i liked the dolphin for a while for enriched functions and the look, but then i somehow found it too overbearing for the simple task that i do every time. i may look into the firefox browser (if it ever really comes), but i am all for native as long as possible to retain native integration.

I've also found Dolphin to be quicker in loading pages than SB, which is the reason I'm using it atm. I use a browser to get around the web as quickly as possible so that the SB is slower makes it a no-brainer for me at least.

The reason I won't be leaving Dolphin Browser for now is definitely the full screen browsing. I've also grown so used to gestures for everything I think it would be hard to go back. I personally don't mind the menu taking up the whole screen because if I hit the menu button that's what I want, the menu, nice not having to do menu>more for basic stuff, long press>page or gesture to select text is also really nice. To each their own I suppose, just be glad we have options unlike some other phones *cough**cough*

Opera Mobile Auto Adjustment

Hi,
Is it possible to deactivate the Opera Auto Adjustment when zooming in or out so you dont jump to de left border of the current content and that it doesnt change text position?
Hope you can help me

Interesting question, would like to know that too. Its sometimes hard to look at opera while zooming, cause it just jumps around while adjusting to that column you zoomed in.

++++1
That's the only thing I dislike with Opera 9.7. Using registry tweaks listed here at XDA elsewhere makes Opera smooth and fast. If it just stops self-adjusting after zoom it will be at least as good as Safari on iPhone.

+1 for me, it's very boring with some sites

Oberoth said:
Hi,
Is it possible to deactivate the Opera Auto Adjustment when zooming in or out so you dont jump to de left border of the current content and that it doesnt change text position?
Hope you can help me
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yes, it is possible, but it has some issues also.
With regedit, go to the key HKLM/Software/Opera/Prefs/Adaptive Zoom/Default Zoom and put 0 instead 175. You dont need to softreset.
Hope it works for you

works for me, but no tap to zoom now...

thanks!
that was nearly exactly what i was looking for.... ^^
jujoo said:
works for me, but no tap to zoom now...
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same for me

this "auto adjustment" is text reflow. It means that you don't have to scroll left and right to read text, after zooming in. You can't change this behaviour.

jujoo said:
works for me, but no tap to zoom now...
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as I said before: it has some issues. But i think with this, you won't need to double tap to zoom

If you type in (opera:config) without the http and then scroll down to user profs. Then scroll down to Limit Paragraph Width and deselect the check box after that scroll down to bottom of the page and select save. A pop up box will pop up. select OK. Then soft reset. I think that should do it for you.

jujoo said:
works for me, but no tap to zoom now...
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If you type in (opera:config) without the http and then scroll down to user profs. Then scroll down to Limit Paragraph Width and deselect the check box after that scroll down to bottom of the page and select save. A pop up box will pop up. select OK. Then soft reset. I think that should do it for you.
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Man, thanks a lot

With regedit, go to the key HKLM/Software/Opera/Prefs/Adaptive Zoom/Default Zoom and put 0 instead 175. You dont need to softreset.
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This is just what I needed! No more jumping around when I zoom! There are some issues, like no more double-tap to zoom, and some pages get zoomed out to full screen and become very small (like touch.facebook.com and the search homepage itself, for example), but it's a small price to pay for me
If you type in (opera:config) without the http and then scroll down to user profs. Then scroll down to Limit Paragraph Width and deselect the check box after that scroll down to bottom of the page and select save. A pop up box will pop up. select OK. Then soft reset. I think that should do it for you.
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This didn't do anything for me. Can't see any difference with this tick on or off....