CWM backup and restore issues - Verizon Droid Charge

So I have been reading over in the development forums and it seems like a lot of users are having issues restoring backups with jt's recovery.
Most of them have ended up with bricked phones and no way to fix it cuz we are still lacking a full odin package for the charge.
Has anyone had success doing a restore in CWM?

Anyone? Please

This is something I'm going to get with imnuts on to fix. Just waiting for my charge to come in.

boostedjti said:
This is something I'm going to get with imnuts on to fix. Just waiting for my charge to come in.
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Ok I figured someone would be working on it I just didnt know if everyone was affected by it or just a few people because i havent seen much talk about it. Also I figured maybe we should put a warning up so more people dont attempt to restore just to end up with a bricked phone.

Manjews said:
Ok I figured someone would be working on it I just didnt know if everyone was affected by it or just a few people because i havent seen much talk about it. Also I figured maybe we should put a warning up so more people dont attempt to restore just to end up with a bricked phone.
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I made a post similar to this in the cwm thread. Thanks for posting it up here too. I have a feeling it's more then just user error, which is the first thing everyone wants to blame something on, and typically the case. Just not feeling like this is the same situation. Good lookin out for everybody!

It sucks for them but we really do need the odin package just in case for future bricks lol
Sent From My VooDood Charge

Based on the one post I saw, it seems like it has to do with restoring /data with the error message that popped up. I'd guess that this is an issue with CWM, but it is hard to say for certain. For now though, I'd just avoid restoring anything, and it's this reason I'd rather use Titanium backup to back up stuff than CWM.

I have read in the past that part of the agreement the mfg's have is they need to release source code, does that actually get us a Stock Odin image or not?
I am used to getting the sbf for Moto or the RUU for HTC, but not familiar with Samsung's willingness and position on this.

Mine bricked from attempting a restore with CWM
But the file that imnuts made fixed it.
Sent from my Droid Supercharge.

RaptorMD said:
I have read in the past that part of the agreement the mfg's have is they need to release source code, does that actually get us a Stock Odin image or not?
I am used to getting the sbf for Moto or the RUU for HTC, but not familiar with Samsung's willingness and position on this.
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Not sure where the stock ODIN images have come from, but tech support @ verizon should have access to them, should only be a matter of time b4 one gets leaked

RaptorMD said:
I have read in the past that part of the agreement the mfg's have is they need to release source code, does that actually get us a Stock Odin image or not?
I am used to getting the sbf for Moto or the RUU for HTC, but not familiar with Samsung's willingness and position on this.
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Odin images are not source code, they are binary files. The Odin images come from Samsung, but there are people that have access to them at VZW. Getting a full stock Odin would have to come from one of the two places.

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[Q] I896 and CM7 reverting

I would like to install CM7 from http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/...f0000dangerous-test-releasecolor/#entry148754
But to restore back to Froyo, it says to use ODIN to do a restore with the re-partition option. I thought I read that the re-part option would brick a SGH-I896.
Is this correct? or am I just imagining it.
In other words, does the repartition option work properly on Rogers SGH-I896?
Thanks for any answers you guys give.
You want to run an experimental beta ROM for an i897 phone on your i896? Trying to find the fastest way to brick your phone?
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You want to run an experimental beta ROM for an i897 phone on your i896? Trying to find the fastest way to brick your phone?
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I do not believe it will brick the phone. The board is an I897 with slight revisions. I was just wondering about the method used to go back to froyo. I am not a complete noob and am not worried about bricking to install the rom. Just going back.
But I do appreciate your input.
DO NOT USE PIT / RE- PARTITION ( the p in PIT is for partition )
i did that and on reboot had an error
E: cant mount dev/dbdata...
was STUCK. only option was to do ONE CLICK ODIN, even after flashing EVERY AVAILABLE rogers stock image, on the net and my own, I CANNOT GET RID OF ATT bootscreen without the cheap hack of replaceing the ATT image with the origninal (still named ATT boot).
the CM7 is still not ready, you will just be going back to what you have now,
WAIT for it to be ready.
Everything I've read on CM7 up to this point is that it is not yet ready for use other than for developers trying to fix its remaining bugs. A number of threads opened up on it over the past week have been almost immediately closed because of the potential to mislead people to try it and end up with bricked phones.
I flashed there and back with no problem. I did not use the re-partition option to install.
Well answered
Trusselo said:
DO NOT USE PIT / RE- PARTITION ( the p in PIT is for partition )
i did that and on reboot had an error
E: cant mount dev/dbdata...
was STUCK. only option was to do ONE CLICK ODIN, even after flashing EVERY AVAILABLE rogers stock image, on the net and my own, I CANNOT GET RID OF ATT bootscreen without the cheap hack of replaceing the ATT image with the origninal (still named ATT boot).
the CM7 is still not ready, you will just be going back to what you have now,
WAIT for it to be ready.
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Thats what I was afraid of, I didn't want to be stuck with att junk on the phone.
Guess i'll wait a little more, sad to say I can only play with gingerbready on by HTC Dream . for now anyways.
Thanks for the answer
Cm7 is largely stable with some bugs. If you do not read the known issues some funky stuff will happen. Speaking from experience ; ) it is everything the hype says it is. Running since the morning. My one concern is battery but I need to let it cycle a couple of times.
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Been running CM7 since late January, and did some of the early dev work on porting it to the Captivate. I have an i896. Trust me, it won't brick it.
To op, there will never be a non-one click revert. CM7 changes the setup of the mtd blocks (basically the nand where the rom is installed), meaning you MUST repartition to go back to a Samsung rom. However, none of the Rogers images contain all of the rom, meaning if you repartition, you will be missing parts of the rom, and will just bootloop/be stuck in recovery.
Tl;dr: If you flash it, and want to revert, you must use one-click, and that won't change, even when it's at "stable".
TheEscapist said:
Been running CM7 since late January, and did some of the early dev work on porting it to the Captivate. I have an i896. Trust me, it won't brick it.
To op, there will never be a non-one click revert. CM7 changes the setup of the mtd blocks (basically the nand where the rom is installed), meaning you MUST repartition to go back to a Samsung rom. However, none of the Rogers images contain all of the rom, meaning if you repartition, you will be missing parts of the rom, and will just bootloop/be stuck in recovery.
Tl;dr: If you flash it, and want to revert, you must use one-click, and that won't change, even when it's at "stable".
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Best advice, straight from the source. And OP, as was said before, make sure you know what the known issues are. The CM7 thread has a lot of complaints about issues that were already noted and known. If you can live with those, jump in!

How to deodex the Infuse?

Is there anyway to deodex the Infuse yet?
probably the same as a galaxy s. gtg465x posted one but we are haveing trouble getting a successful odin package to fix the phone when things go wrong so people were not willing to try it.
Thank you for the fast respond, are we gonna lose the phone if something goes wrong. or if something goes wrong is there a way to fix it.
sinan2010 said:
Thank you for the fast respond, are we gonna lose the phone if something goes wrong. or if something goes wrong is there a way to fix it.
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well with samsung we are lucky enough to have odin which is a factory flash tool. unfortunately it is not working on the infuse 100%, there may be a new build of it just for the infuse but it hasnt been leaked yet as far as we know. there is also an opensource application called heimdall that works in place of odin. there has been some success with heimdall but the one user that restored with it is having random vibrate issues.
there are still things to figure out, but there is no reason you cant flash with cwm, there are just no proven roms or reliable methods to restore if it goes wrong.
Thanks again. I'll just wait since I'm not good in doing these kind of things.
Just to chime in, you can definitely softbrick the phone if you try to deodex the rom and something goes wrong. I know from experience (happened to me yesterday ) As far as I know, I'm the only one who has successfully flashed back to stock using h8rift's original test tar but now there's confusion about whether it's reliable or not due to other testers' experiences. We're gonna get there just hang tight.
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Just to chime in, you can definitely softbrick the phone if you try to deodex the rom and something goes wrong. I know from experience (happened to me yesterday ) As far as I know, I'm the only one who has successfully flashed back to stock using h8rift's original test tar but now there's confusion about whether it's reliable or not due to other testers' experiences. We're gonna get there just hang tight.
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So there are already some people brick their devices and good to know that you have successfully flashed it back.
I just have no idea how to do these kind of things this is my first Android device. I had HD2 and was so easy to do anything. I'm just afraid to brick my infuse, so I'll just wait
I just need to deodex it so I can be able to read and write in Arabic.
Thanks

Note radio messed up phone HELP!!

So earlier today i Dl'ed the new radio and its been down here from there.
I was able to get to odin before and i installed
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1601483
And i now cant use odin. I found from this thread what to do if i could get into odin (also cant get cwm)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1611796
What should i do?
Does your phone work at all? It sounds like you might have bricked it using ODIN incorrectly. Did you leave "repartition" checked? If so, you shouldn't have.
Can you get into download mode at all? Does your PC recognize your phone? If you don't know what I'm talking about, you need to go to the "DEV" section and read all of the sticky threads, which you hopefully already did before you tried to do anything with your phone. Asking a bunch of questions about things you haven't taken the time to read about isn't going to help you at all.
Have you tried the "Odin Oneclick" leak"s" that have been released? They include ODIN in the install package.
You claim the Note radio flash derped your phone? It has been known to mess with phones but I haven't known of it bricking any phones. If so, have you tried to flash a different radio? You need to provide as much info as you can about what you did and read all of the threads that pertain to what it is you think you wanted to do. If you provide more acurate info, maybe someone can help (if you didn't brick your phone with ODIN). Good luck.
actually my phones all fixed now i did alot of research and fixed it
Thanks anyways
Correction im trying to get the lock screen/ power off menu solution thats all i need atm
Dwolf16 said:
actually my phones all fixed now i did alot of research and fixed it
Thanks anyways
Correction im trying to get the lock screen/ power off menu solution thats all i need atm
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I'm happy to hear you are back up and running. I think the best thing to do is just stay away from the "Note" radio...its just not worth the risk.
scott14719 said:
I'm happy to hear you are back up and running. I think the best thing to do is just stay away from the "Note" radio...its just not worth the risk.
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Are you sure you didn't mean to say "it's just note worth the risk. " XDDDDDDD
~PsyCl0ne
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its really not...im still trying to fix my homescreen and shutdown
I'm learning a hard lesson about the Note radio, too.
i just need to find some one with a full efs folder so i cant replace mine and ill be fine
I've updated my method, try again. If ur having write issues with efs, no guarantee that simply dropping it I'm with fix it. I think this new method will allow it to stick

Root Help

Hey everyone.
Im generally pretty savvy with androids. I rooted and S-offed my HTC Desire, I had a nexus S for a bit until it got ran over... Now im stuck with this Galaxy S 4G, which has been nothing but headaches because for some reason... this thing is impossible to root to me. Ive tried Hemidall, Super1clicks, Odin etc..
Can someone please just point me in the direction of rooting this POS? Im hoping that once its rooted and running stock, I wont hate this thing as much... because so far, Its a horrible purchase.
I just need someone to post a link to where I need to be. Ive searched.. and im absolutely lost. Even the Rootz wiki was useless to me.
Thanks.
Model Number - SGH-T959W
Android Version 2.3.6
You might not have any luck this is the T-959V and your phone might not be supported
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=28566711&postcount=15
Read that then understand what bhundven means by DONT FLASH BOOTLOADERS!!
You can use the heimdall one clicks he created to get root access and then flash any rom that DOESNT HAVE BOOTLOADERS INCLUDED. That means do not use gremlin remover period. Once you get rooted make a backup and keep it stored in as many places as possible. If you flash the ics variants you will have to use the stock kj6 HOC and then need to flash the HOC for antonx kernel to get root back. At that point you can flash your nandroid or whatever rom you want. AGAIN AS LONG AS IT DOESNT HAVE BOOTLOADERS included.
eollie said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=28566711&postcount=15
Read that then understand what bhundven means by DONT FLASH BOOTLOADERS!!
You can use the heimdall one clicks he created to get root access and then flash any rom that DOESNT HAVE BOOTLOADERS INCLUDED. That means do not use gremlin remover period. Once you get rooted make a backup and keep it stored in as many places as possible. If you flash the ics variants you will have to use the stock kj6 HOC and then need to flash the HOC for antonx kernel to get root back. At that point you can flash your nandroid or whatever rom you want. AGAIN AS LONG AS IT DOESNT HAVE BOOTLOADERS included.
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I have no idea what youre talking about. Sorry
I used the Hemidall, and only got an unrooted Tmobile rom.. Im not sure where exactly i get root from this
Meh, forget it... im selling this phone. There is no convincing me to ever buy anything from Sammy again unless its a Nexus line.
HTC or Nexus forever.
Thanks guys
Reading is hard
"Can I get step by step directions please?"
Sure, here you are!
"What?! Your not going to remotely root my phone for me? F this place"
Good luck sir, you have the patience of a saint and the drive of a tiger!
OK let's be honest you gave up kinda quick.......
The forum that eollie linked you to was a forum talking about the phone that you bought, which is an apparent offshoot of the t-959v and according to what Masonite found out, "our" roms work on the t-959w but you cannot flash the bootloaders.
Here is the one click link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1358498 just boot into download mode and use this but absolutely don't flash bootloaders and it should be OK, no promises.
Eollie was right for linking you there, all the info you needed about your model phone was on that forum, that one click is in the dev sticky which everybody should read.
There has been a flood of people not researching a little bit first before posting and that's why people flamed you but you should not give up, its a good phone and our devs are dedicated and have put in a lot of time on this model, you should be happy your phone can even support all the great roms that are available.
I'm not being mean but seriously, come on, all the info is there, no need to get mad.
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Edit: or Google search how to use heimdall if your confused, I learn off a damn YouTube video..........
Our devs didn't create heimdall and don't support it but it is a great program and the dev has to build the individual one click for the phone, we should be happy to have it that easily available.
Reading the whole thread you got linked to is really hard. Phone-bricking hard
FBis251 said:
Reading the whole thread you got linked to is really hard. Phone-bricking hard
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Hahaha I know but but I believe in you lmao
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You'll need to flash one of the back to stock files that you got linked to in that thread which will put you on stock GB with no root. DO NOT FLASH THE BOOTLOADERS. You'll very likely brick if you do.
After this download the AntonX kernel from bhundven's one click thread and flash that. That will give you a custom kernel with CWM built in and root.
Needless to say, this is all for the SGH-T959V which theoretically should work on the SGH-T959W. As you'll read any disclaimer on this forum, you're resposible for anything you flash and the damage that may occur to your device.
Thanks for that fb I forgot a few steps if he wants to be on mtd roms, I assumed he could read from that point............ but your right for knowing better
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Thank you very much, and I'm sorry for getting angry. I've had this phone for almost 4 months now, and haven't been able to do anything with it. Quite frustrating.
So, I currently have the Tmobile ROM on my phone, so I'm halfway there it appears!
I'm going to download the other ROM as soon as I get home.
Thanks so much! Next up.. Learning to flash with Odin, and not ROM manager.
It seemed like everything I tried wasn't working with 2.3.6. Superoneclick etc.
I was waiting for a new exploit, but it never came. I tried YouTube tutorials, text directions.. Everything would fail, or give me "read only" errors. I feared bricking, so I stopped.. But I searched the forum and came across the thread he linked me to, but it said no bootloaders, and all the ones I saw had bootloaders. Wasn't until tonight that I noticed it's a 2 part flash process, with the second being the bootloaders.
I think I started this thread at 3am.
Lesson learned.
In heimdall, you can click a little box that says "flash bootloaders" to toggle flashing them on and off! .... or maybe it was odin? I can't remember... been a while since I used them!
After being away for the weekend, I came home, and BAM... fully rooted. Amazing! and FINALLY!!!
Thanks everyone for your help...
I just have another issue.
I wanna flash this ROM http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1305145
It says its CWM.. but there is a huge disclaimer that we shouldn't use ROM Manager on the development page, which is a bit confusing. Since this ROM isnt Odin flashable... what do i do?
Thanks again.
So I was confused about this when I first started. I'm not at my computer but I can help. In order to flash Roms via cmw you have to turn off your phone hold both volume rockers on the phone then hold the power button and hold till you get into cwm recovery. That will get you into cmw recovery mode. Then wipe data factory rest, from there go back to the main menu and select the install zip from sd card and find the zip file you want to flash and select it and install. Should be good to go.
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Nevermind... im a complete goon. I got it, lol.
Thanks

Heimdall One-Click for CM9?

I'm pretty bugged out that I have to flash multiple things just to get from one ROM to another. Especially when flashing back to stock.
This is a request, there is no reward, I am not forcing anyone to do it, you can pick up the request or not. This is for the entire communities benefit.
Now we have cleared things so no one complains "Oh how rude you are asking our developers to do something, you got some nerve."
Since most of our ROM's are now ICS and some of them require CM9 before flashing, I thought why not a One-Click ICS? It would be beneficial for allot of people.
I would do it myself however I have no Android development experience.
So if anyone has allot of time and has experience with making One-Clicks, you have my respect and probably the entire SGS4G community.
th3controller said:
I'm pretty bugged out that I have to flash multiple things just to get from one ROM to another. Especially when flashing back to stock
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First, there is no stock ICS for this phone so you'll still need to go back to GB to be "stock". Second, I flash from ICS to ICS to ICS without ever going back to stock or CM9. With most of the new builds there is no need to. The only time I ever have to use Heimdall anymore is when one of Eriks "test builds" completely hoses me.(JK that actually almost never happens).
Im sure as soon as I post this 30 people will post saying they just created a one click to ics. so...
It cant be done. The PIT file needs to be edited to reflect the mtd file system.
Really what needs to be done is these ports requiring you to flash to cm9 first should be using the same install scripts as cm9 so you can flash directly to it from stock. At this point if a rom says flash so and so first I dont try it. Because if they are using the scripts from cm9 there shouldnt be a reason to flash cm9 first. I might sound rude or whatever but its simply a matter of convenience.
Thanks for the awesome, understandable replies guys!
Lol Hechoen I see you taste some of Erik's custom recipe's before anyone does XD
And yes eollie it is for convenience
th3controller said:
Thanks for the awesome, understandable replies guys!
Lol Hechoen I see you taste some of Erik's custom recipe's before anyone does XD
And yes eollie it is for convenience
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Lately I get to see them even before he does. lol He's got a pretty sweet one coming up that I think people are gonna dig. No ETA's but something about built from source AOSP?
Uh oh... is search broken?
th3controller said:
I'm pretty bugged out that I have to flash multiple things just to get from one ROM to another. Especially when flashing back to stock.
This is a request, there is no reward, I am not forcing anyone to do it, you can pick up the request or not. This is for the entire communities benefit.
Now we have cleared things so no one complains "Oh how rude you are asking our developers to do something, you got some nerve."
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How rude, wanting convenience. HAHA. Me too! I want that sauce!
th3controller said:
Since most of our ROM's are now ICS and some of them require CM9 before flashing, I thought why not a One-Click ICS? It would be beneficial for allot of people.
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Why do you need to flash cm9 before flashing other ics roms? Can't you just fix that stuff in the updater.sh and updater-script? Or is that not convenient? <hehe, sarcasm again...>
th3controller said:
I would do it myself however I have no Android development experience.
So if anyone has allot of time and has experience with making One-Clicks, you have my respect and probably the entire SGS4G community.
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Yea, so here is the thing. The oneclick uses the bootloader to do it's magic. The bootloader only speaks in BML and RFS. It knows nothing of MTD, yaffs2, or ext4. It also gets it's partition information from the Partition Information Table (pit), which is also laid out for BML/RFS.
So basically, Your question is: Make us some new bootloaders!
This is not something I can do overnight, but have been investigating since my phone got unbrickable mod.
There is a lot of information to collect, and I am collecting this information in little chunks everytime we get another feature of cm9/aries working properly.
Unfortunately, my work on a new bootloader for this phone is stalled until I can get a new job (yes, unemployment only pays for me to pay some minor bills and eat.) so that I can afford to buy the equipment I need to do such a thing.
Once we have a new bootloader, we can just fastboot each partition just like the Google phones and HTC devices. Wouldn't that be great. Yea, thats what I was thinking too. Glad we are on the same page now
It's too bad that you didn't search the forums, or you would have found me saying this months ago.
But people keep opening new threads about stuff, and you know we are gullible and will answer, because it is more convenient to ask then it is to search.
Lol bhundven, you even went on the trouble of adding a underline XD
Anyways, yes I do understand the matter and I do understand it is NOT an overnight thing. I'm just hearing (seeing) these things right now, like I said not really experienced. I also try to read as much in the forums as I can.
I also hope I'm not in your bad side
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Lol bhundven, you even went on the trouble of adding a underline XD
Anyways, yes I do understand the matter and I do understand it is NOT an overnight thing. I'm just hearing (seeing) these things right now, like I said not really experienced. I also try to read as much in the forums as I can.
I also hope I'm not in your bad side
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My post was mostly sarcasm... besides the point about needing new bootloaders.
My bad side is notifying moderators. At the time of this writing, this thread is still open with no one sending abuse reports...
I don't ignore people, because then I see people laughing or getting angry around one of the people I ignore in a thread, and I don't get to understand why it is funny or anger causing.
I'm dearly sorry Bhudven-Sama, I shall not fail you again!
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I'm dearly sorry Bhudven-Sama, I shall not fail you again!
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lol
th3controller said:
I'm pretty bugged out that I have to flash multiple things just to get from one ROM to another.
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Sounds like the people that assemble FrankenROMs need to learn how to script the updater. Once you're on MTD, there shouldn't be any reason to do anything but let the supplied installer run.
Flashing back to stock? There is a one-click for that. Takes you from MTD to GB stock. I'm pretty sure that someone even made one with an AntonX kernel, root, and recovery all in one shot.
I hadn't mentioned last night, but I've actually been messing with how to make a one click for ICS roms, particularly AOKP. When the rom gets built from source, we also get a system image file that we SHOULD be able to flash via heimdall. The thing is that there seems to be some kind of limitation of the filesize of this image, and the image flash fails at the exact same spot every time.
I've tried to look up information on how to make heimdall be able to flash the whole file but found nothing promising. Even some of the people from the mozilla boot to gecko team had tried to modify the heimdall source code to allow the file to be flashed but they had no luck either.
Admittedly, I haven't tested to see if an ICS boot.img/system image will flash via Odin.
FBis251 said:
I hadn't mentioned last night, but I've actually been messing with how to make a one click for ICS roms, particularly AOKP. When the rom gets built from source, we also get a system image file that we SHOULD be able to flash via heimdall. The thing is that there seems to be some kind of limitation of the filesize of this image, and the image flash fails at the exact same spot every time.
I've tried to look up information on how to make heimdall be able to flash the whole file but found nothing promising. Even some of the people from the mozilla boot to gecko team had tried to modify the heimdall source code to allow the file to be flashed but they had no luck either.
Admittedly, I haven't tested to see if an ICS boot.img/system image will flash via Odin.
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Ok, so yea, we can probably make a heimdall flash that will flash bootloaders and kernel for an MTD rom, but you'd have to do some manual things still (which is why I prefer flashing back to stock):
flash back to stock
backup your efs
oneclick cm9/ics rom.
restore your efs manually.
flash cm9/ics rom after the oneclick is done.
so, compaired to:
flash back to stock
reboot to recovery
flash cm9/ics rom
you are just making things more difficult.
The thing is, you shouldn't need to flash back to stock if you are going from cm9 to any other ics/mtd rom.
And you shouldn't need to flash to cm9 if you want to flash any other ics rom.
The developers of those roms are just being lazy (imo) and need to modify their updater.sh and updater-script to work like the cm9 scripts do. Fixed.
When we get new bootloaders, this all changes.

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