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[Q] So...do you or not?

I just got into flashing roms and I love it! I love the feeling of having it rooted, being able to customize it, install 3rd party apps, etc.
But my question is- I have darky's rom and would like to try out others. I just never have the time because I have to backup everything, flash back, reroot, etc.
I don't have a problem with it but it's just a little tedious.
I read that some people don't always flash back and just stick the new rom into the phone. So is that wise? Sorry if it's a noob question...!

Honestly the only time I flash stock is when something appears to be broken.

You do not have to flash stock. There is a risk either way. In both cases you have to backup all your apps and restore.
I went from a jpy base rom to an armani base without a flash to stock. Disabled lag fix, wiped davlik cache, flashed. all went well.
Be prepared that if something goes wrong you may need odin to recover

I never ever flash back to stock......but I do always disable any lagfix first!

Actually, pretty much every kernel now supports ext4 so disabling lagfix is not necessary.

I never flash to stock unless something is broken or if I get assaulted with FCs.
Right now, since my phone is acting up, I'm actually Master Clearing too.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S Captivate using XDA App

Interesting, so the majority of people don't master clear. Maybe there should be a poll up.
I have Cognition 3.03 and want to go to 3.04 but I don't want to have to master clear, reroot and nada nada nada.

Usually on updates it isn't specified anyway. And I never do either unless something breaks.
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Help?
Got a crazy newb type question. Maybe one of you would be willing to help me out with?
I have had my captivate for almost 6 months now. Still as much or more in love with it as I was when I got it. However, I am starting to get a bit anxious for froyo and wondering just how much I am missing in the custom side of things. Ihave spent the past 15 years in graphic design and have a lod of experience in the tech side of things etc so I would not consider myself a total newb, but when it comes to flashing, roms, flashing of roms ;], modems or anything else that goes with it, I am very limited..Still rockin' stock 2.1update1
Would one of you extremely smart people with a little extra free time be willing to meet with me and teach me the tools/tricks of the trade? Or at the very least explain things for me and send me on my way? lol.
Anything would be appreciated....thx

I am glad to see this. I would like to see a poll too. I just flashed my first ROM last night was was not sure if this was an acceptable way of switching ROMs.

@gicuenitro,
It is truly an easy process. Stop in the phoenix irc channel and I, or others, would be glad to walk you through it. People are usually around in the afternoon/evenings.
webchat.freenode.net
#ph0enix

When I first started flashing, roms that is, I always used Odin back to stock. Now I just flash using cwm after backing everything up. No problems.

Haven't flashed to stock since I bricked my second phone doing it. Now I just download Rom to phone, CWM update, turn on wifi, login to Google account, TiBu restore, launcher restore and done, takes about 15 min.

Restless101 said:
But my question is- I have darky's rom and would like to try out others. I just never have the time because I have to backup everything, flash back, reroot, etc.
I don't have a problem with it but it's just a little tedious.
I read that some people don't always flash back and just stick the new rom into the phone. So is that wise? Sorry if it's a noob question...!
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I don't bother flashing back to stock unless something doesn't work right after the new flash. For example, I flashed Perception 10.1 over my old rom and couldn't receive incoming calls (though data and sms worked fine). I flashed back to stock, then reflashed 10.1 and everything worked proper. That was the only time I've needed to flash back to stock.
Flashing a new rom doesn't have to be a tedious process if you automate most of it. Here's my regular procedure for flashing a new rom:
1. Do a nandroid backup with Rom Manager, in case something goes wrong and I need to revert the phone back to it's current state, or if I don't like the new rom and want to restore my phone to how it was before I flashed. A nandroid backup usually takes 5-10 minutes. You don't need to do anything in the process, just go read engadget.com or something while it happens.
2. Use titanium backup to back up all my apps and data. The time this will take depends on how many apps you have, and how many you already have backed up. It usually takes me about 5 minutes to back up all my stuff (automated again, you don't need to do anything while this happens).
3. Flash the new rom over the old one. I don't bother disabling voodoo either, just because as someone else already pointed out, most of the roms use kernels that support ext4 filesystems. This also usually takes about 15 minutes (OS boot time included). This also doesn't require you to do anything while you wait.
4. Once the new rom is booted up, I'll do a quick check to make sure all the primary functions work (voice calls, data, sms). Then I download Titanium Backup and do a batch restore of all my user apps/data. This will take anywhere from 5-15 minutes depending on how much stuff you have. If you have the paid version of Titanium Backup, just run the market doctor afterwards to link all your restored apps back to the market, so you can be notified of updates. It takes a few seconds to run market doctor.
Total time for flashing a new rom and reloading all my stuff is 30-45 minutes, the vast majority of which I don't have to actually interact with the phone. After that, it's just a matter of setting up your widgets and email accounts again, which I think you can also do from TB, but I don't bother.
Edit: Actually, come to think of it, ADW launcher will save your widgets across rom flashes if you restore your user data with TB.

I do not. I have never heard any actual theory of how doing so could possibly be of any use other than as a placebo or an easy way to brick your phone.

Nice to hear some of you guys are having success not going back to stock all the time. That is a tedious process.

TiBu is a huge time saver, especially the paid version. I may start checking out other roms without flashing stock first since so many of you are doing it without issues.
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I always flash stock. It's not needed, but I like starting from fresh. I have done it a few times right over another ROM without any issues. Just personal preference I suppose.

SlimJ87D said:
Interesting, so the majority of people don't master clear. Maybe there should be a poll up.
I have Cognition 3.03 and want to go to 3.04 but I don't want to have to master clear, reroot and nada nada nada.
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I thought that DG provided an update to take you from Cog 3.03 to 3.04 without having to flash stock nor MC...or maybe that was another ROM? Check his downloads.
EDIT: Sorry there was an upgrade version for 3.03, but not 3.04.

[Q] CM7 or Android Revolution?

Hey guys!
Wanted to know what you guys prefer/are using - Android Revolution or CM7 on your Inspire. Currently I'm using the stock rooted ROM and I'm loving it. I was using Android Revolution, but the tinny sound was unbearable for me after a while. Now that there's a fix for both AR and CM7, what do you recommend I flash? I don't mind Sense at all, but GB sounds pretty nice as well.
Opinions? Thanks!

I started with revolution but moved on to cm and will probably stay till some 2.3 roms come out, for no real reason I just "have" to have the latest os, always have... windows ME almost ruined my life

I think u have to ask ur self if u really enjoy sense or not... I personally love it after coming from the xperia x10's timescale ui, but if u don't then cm7 all the way for speed cuz it zips... plus u could use the colorize widget to get a sense like feel on cm7

How is battery life on CM7?

I like cm7 but I like the fact more that HTC sense downloads high quality FB images for my contacts. I dont think there is a way to do that on CM7, just the horrible quality images. That is what made me go back to sense... That along with the cm7 keyboard is tiny compared to the htc one.. Im sure I could find an apk somewher for it, but Ill just stick to sense for now.

earhog said:
I like cm7 but I like the fact more that HTC sense downloads high quality FB images for my contacts. I dont think there is a way to do that on CM7, just the horrible quality images. That is what made me go back to sense... That along with the cm7 keyboard is tiny compared to the htc one.. Im sure I could find an apk somewher for it, but Ill just stick to sense for now.
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Download the GB Keyboard from the market. The free one is bigger than the CM one and if you pay $.99 you get even more customization. Not saying this to try to get you to switch though. I even used it on Sense. It seems to be the best kb out there right now.

I noticed that CM7 was just released. I'm on Revolution and love it. CM7 makes me a bit nervous though. Install directions say to pick a radio to install, but then say that if you pick the wrong one you will brick your phone. That scares me. I didn't have to do that with Revolution. Are there benefits to CM7 that out-weigh that risk though? I can't find out a whole lot in the way of a comparison between CM7 and Revolution. I'd love to hear from people that have tried both to see what their impressions were.
Daniel

djeaton said:
I noticed that CM7 was just released. I'm on Revolution and love it. CM7 makes me a bit nervous though. Install directions say to pick a radio to install, but then say that if you pick the wrong one you will brick your phone. That scares me. I didn't have to do that with Revolution. Are there benefits to CM7 that out-weigh that risk though? I can't find out a whole lot in the way of a comparison between CM7 and Revolution. I'd love to hear from people that have tried both to see what their impressions were.
Daniel
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Obviously you have a radio installed so it's not an issue. If you are rocking the stock radio just do a full wipe and flash CM7 and you will be good to go. I did that and then changed my radio and everything has always worked well for me. The battery for me isnt too bad and I haven't run into many issues that bother me. I LOVE having CM7/Vanilla Android on this phone. CM7 also has built in capabilities to OC up to 1.5Ghz.

I liked cm7 and it might be a little faster but .......the reason i got the inspire 4g is cause of the screen size. I get alot of MMS slide shows and on cm7 the pictures are TINY unless you want to go to the trouble of saving them to get a full screen pic. With that being said I'll stick to AR for now so I get full screen MMS slide show pics like the stock htc rom did.

So, since I already have a working radio on Revolution, can I just back up the ROM with Tibu and then use Rom Manager to install CM7 to check it out?

djeaton said:
So, since I already have a working radio on Revolution, can I just back up the ROM with Tibu and then use Rom Manager to install CM7 to check it out?
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Also wondering about this. Currently have CM7 and have it set up just how I like it. If I do a tibu backup of user apps and system data, can I install another ROM, then go back to CM7, restore backup, and have everything like it is now?

Billabong81 said:
Also wondering about this. Currently have CM7 and have it set up just how I like it. If I do a tibu backup of user apps and system data, can I install another ROM, then go back to CM7, restore backup, and have everything like it is now?
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Use Nandroid too. Restore that, then apps ONLY with TiBu, not system data.

I used Rom Manager to backup my current system and then Tibu to backup all existing apps and data. Went back to Rom Manager and told it to download CM7. It installed great. Tibu put all my apps back as well. I see three BIG advantages to CM7 over Revolution so far. First, it seems MUCH faster. Second, it allows me to sync my Splash ID to my desktop. That was impossible with the stock ROM (both before and after rooting) as well as with Revolution. It also runs the Fox News app, something else that would never run on prior ROMs. Finally, I love all the new settings. There are a lot more configuration options available than on Revolution or even the rooted stock rom that I started with. All in all, I think I'll be sticking with CM7 for a while.

At first i put CM7 on my inspire...Hate it...after few hours was very slow...I removed it and using now android revolution 3.3...Very very happy...good battery life...

That's odd. I had the exact opposite experience. Of course I was using Revolution 4, but CM7 seems to be a whole lot faster for me. Only issues I've had with it so far is that I keep losing some of my App Tray folders in Go Launcher EX. But I'm also running a beta of that, so no telling where the problem lies.

djeaton said:
That's odd. I had the exact opposite experience. Of course I was using Revolution 4, but CM7 seems to be a whole lot faster for me. Only issues I've had with it so far is that I keep losing some of my App Tray folders in Go Launcher EX. But I'm also running a beta of that, so no telling where the problem lies.
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i downloaded the latest nightly CM rom. few things were very odd. first when you attach usb cable the only supported mode was charge only. to transfer file i had to manually take out microsd card. that was a big for me...second after few hours my phone started crawling...i have inspire 4g

magomaev said:
i downloaded the latest nightly CM rom. few things were very odd. first when you attach usb cable the only supported mode was charge only. to transfer file i had to manually take out microsd card. that was a big for me...second after few hours my phone started crawling...i have inspire 4g
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With mine, it DEFAULTS to charge only, but when you tap on that in the notifications, you are given the option to mount the SD. And I'd make sure to reset the battery stats and give it some time (a full day?) and then look at what is using up your battery and CPU. I too had some sluggishness until I found that a certain utility that I had downloaded but never set up or used was chewing up 50% of my battery. Once I deleted it, I was fine.

been using revo. my favorite.

[Q] Noob lookinor someadvice/answers.......

Im fairly new to the phone mod game and im the only one of my friends who gives a damn. Needless to say that means ive no one to talk to about this stuff. I recently rooted my Inspire (aahk) works great. Now my phone is insane with speeds like ive never seen. However i was flashing some roms around trying to find the one just right for me, and thought id try CM7 did a full wipe. Being the impulsive person i am i only backed up on my SD and when it told me to do a partition i didnt consider the consequences..... So now im stuck with CM7 (not for me) and i guess ive got to start all over. In trying to download new ROMS it seems that only the ones n the premium section will really change the whole phone. Is there a way i can get back to the ROM it had me on just after rooting? Or am i starting all over? would it be wise to unroot and start over? i really dont like the ADW base of CM7. I had been running HoneySense which was awesome but could barely use my data other than the Market..... Yes i know im long winded but like i stated. Ive got no friends that give a damn about their phones. ANY hints tips advice would be appreciated. And to all of you developers, keep up the good work, i envy your skills.... 2 years ago i could barely check an email, and have been learning as much as possible as quick as possible. Thanks for reading my nonsensical ramblings

Also what is the difference with the nandroid and clockworkmod? can i use apps for both or are they root specific... You can laugh if you like

Your nandroid/cwm backups will backup your entire rom. Forget restoring those if you want to go to a different rom. You need to be rooted if you want to perform these actions, but you already are rooted. If you want to backup your apps then use Titanium backup or My backup root to backup just your apps. Don't backup system stuff. You can flash any of the roms in the development section. You do not need to root again. Always wipe before flashing a new rom. In recovery you select wipe and choose to wipe cache, dalvik cache, data/factory reset, and you can also format system if you want. Don't wipe anything else. Backup your data that you want to save before wiping.

Pretty much what Wolf is saying..Also @Diesel321, So what is it that over all your looking to do with your phone.?
Some of the biggest ?s that is asked a lot when it comes to roms is stability,battery life.And whats the "best" and there is really no "best" one. But for I would recommend NinjaRom. I have been running that for @ least 5months and only had minor issue which was fixed from the support team. Also tried android rev,CoreDroid all good stuff.
But when you do flash its a good idea to do a back up. Which I go through ClockWorkMod (CWM) and select back up and I aslo save each back to my sd card and save it the pc to a folder that I created for my Roms/Tweaks/Add-Ons/etc..
but if you need any other ?s just ask or Pm Me glad to help out.

Thanks to both of you guys... Overall i want to speed up my system (which the "set cpu" app and all overclocking apps confuse me) I have tried all different kinds of settings and the only way i can get a decent result is through wifi. Also batterylife and the more i learn about phones the more i like so the deeper i dive the more intriuged i become... I always want more faster and better.As far as ROMS anything based or similar to CM7 i do not like, before i eber rooted i tried the ADW launcher and am not a fan of the set up. I love the sense roms, but the only ones i can find through cwm are HoneySense which only lets me access my data through the market (no browser, no email, no google, no FB) i installed Leedroid last night and its ok but the specs of Honey Wonder look awesome. I cant find it on cwm and i cant seem to gert it from my computer to my phone. Im about to try and put my SD into the cpu and do it that way. When i backup my Apps should i backup my data for them as well? ANd then can i restore them over any rom? or do i go back and restore them from the market, can i save my home screens to restore the way i like them or do i have to do it manually any time? Im sorry if im overloading with questons but as i stated previously none of my friends give a damn about any of this stuff, except one and he kniows about a quarter of what i know. Hes wanting to root his LG OPtimus C but i told him to wait till i learn more about it, also i dont know if there is a root for it. Any other tips and advice are always welcomed appreciated and thanked... Again thanks guys.. One more. Why cant i seem to download anything from my XDA Premium App? that would make my life much easier

wow that was a mouthful, you should be able to download from xda but if your having trouble try-menu-browser also your not limited to only inspire roms the DHD is almost the same phone and is global and non-branded (INSPIRE 4G-AT&T) so check out some of these.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=765
once you try some sence 3.5 youll never go back

Diesel321 said:
Thanks to both of you guys... Overall i want to speed up my system (which the "set cpu" app and all overclocking apps confuse me) I have tried all different kinds of settings and the only way i can get a decent result is through wifi. Also batterylife and the more i learn about phones the more i like so the deeper i dive the more intriuged i become... I always want more faster and better.As far as ROMS anything based or similar to CM7 i do not like, before i eber rooted i tried the ADW launcher and am not a fan of the set up. I love the sense roms, but the only ones i can find through cwm are HoneySense which only lets me access my data through the market (no browser, no email, no google, no FB) i installed Leedroid last night and its ok but the specs of Honey Wonder look awesome. I cant find it on cwm and i cant seem to gert it from my computer to my phone. Im about to try and put my SD into the cpu and do it that way. When i backup my Apps should i backup my data for them as well? ANd then can i restore them over any rom? or do i go back and restore them from the market, can i save my home screens to restore the way i like them or do i have to do it manually any time? Im sorry if im overloading with questons but as i stated previously none of my friends give a damn about any of this stuff, except one and he kniows about a quarter of what i know. Hes wanting to root his LG OPtimus C but i told him to wait till i learn more about it, also i dont know if there is a root for it. Any other tips and advice are always welcomed appreciated and thanked... Again thanks guys.. One more. Why cant i seem to download anything from my XDA Premium App? that would make my life much easier
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Ok.... Where to start... You can back up your apps with data. I restore those because for like any programs such as browsers or any games I want to restore the settings and bookmarks, passwords, etc. Before I restore in a new rom I go through the checked programs that are supposed to be restored, Apps with data in Titanium Backup Pro, and make sure I am only restoring "my" apps. I have often found that TB likes to also backup HTC Sense, etc. I do not want to restore any system apps since this would more than likely cause a problem with the new rom.
As far as overclocking is concerned, a lot of the newer versions of roms do not use SetCPU anymore. They use the Virtuous overclocking daemon script. This works much faster than SetCPU. Using SetCPU with these roms will disable the daemon. the information on the kernel and the overclocking daemon is usually listed in the first post of the rom thread. You can install Sybergunne's Daemon Controller app if it is not already installed to easily change the settings. Overclock carefully. Every phone is different and not all can go as high as others. Some may run stable at 1.6 GHz and others are only stable at 1.1 GHz.
If you are looking for faster data speeds, then that is already cooked into the roms by the developers, although there may always be some tweaking that can be performed. Speed for data is very subjective, because it really depends on your particular area. Radio's and RIL's make a difference also, but what works for me in my area may not work well for you. It is really a trial and error procedure to find out what works for you.
You are looking for sense roms, so Sense 3.0 and 3.5 are the latest for our phones. Go through the Inspire and Desire HD development threads and read the rom descriptions to see what you like. Almost every DHD rom is made to also work with the Inspire. Links to both sections are posted below. Some rom ideas for you to look at are, Android Revolution HD, Rumrunner, Bindroid, RCMix roms, HoneyWonder roms, Cleardroid, Virtuous Unity, etc., etc. You need to decide which ones you want to try. Ok, that is my mouthful.
Inspire 4G:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1018
Desire HD:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=765
Inspire Radio Thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1106324

I just installed HoneyWonder.... Its coldblooded Yea i get a little long winded from time to time

So when it comes to kernels i need to kflash them to their respected ROMs right

Diesel321 said:
So when it comes to kernels i need to kflash them to their respected ROMs right
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The rom comes with kernel but aosp kernels go with aosp (android open source project)=cm7 and sence kernels usually with all sence roms

People sometimes flash alternate kernels than what comes with the rom to experiment and see what the performance behavior is like. ALWAYS make a CWM/Nandroid backup of your rom before you flash any mods or kernels. Usually it does not happen, but sometimes a flashed mod or kernel can mess up your phone so it is good to have a backup in case of problems.

So I've got a 16gig SD and I've had to strip it down because it had 14 gigs of music on it. So after I rooted I took a bunch off. Would it be wise to keep 2 SXS? One I can jam too and another for downloading Rome and flashing? Also I CAN flash CM7 kernels to my Sense roms. Has anyone tried that Beatmod BlissSense. It seems cool but it doesn't seem to want to download. You guys are awesome and have helped me it tremendously. I may not be able to help with your computer problems or anything but if you need any advice on home repair or anything like that Im your guy.
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Diesel321 said:
So I've got a 16gig SD and I've had to strip it down because it had 14 gigs of music on it. So after I rooted I took a bunch off. Would it be wise to keep 2 SXS? One I can jam too and another for downloading Rome and flashing? Also I CAN flash CM7 kernels to my Sense roms. Has anyone tried that Beatmod BlissSense. It seems cool but it doesn't seem to want to download. You guys are awesome and have helped me it tremendously. I may not be able to help with your computer problems or anything but if you need any advice on home repair or anything like that Im your guy.
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Beatmod BlissSense was awesome. Had some minor bugs for me, GPS signal was a littly nutty and my calls kept dropping. (I reflashed the rom when I found this was happening and the issue seemed to disappear). All in all, it was a great rom but since I'm new to the root thing, the flashing bug caught me and off I went into the xda forums..I'm currently running Android Revolution and of all the roms I've flashed, this is by far my favorite.

What exactly is "freezing" an app mean? I've got an idea I just want to make sure I'm right? Is it wise to delete bloatware apps? Would they come back if I needed to unroot?

Freezing an app is a little like deleting it, but safer. If you delete it, you may find out you have big problems because the system app will not reinstall correctly and you end up reinstalling the rom. With freezing you can take it out but restore it exactly the way it was in the system if things go wrong. If you are backing up your rom like you should in case of problems, then that backup usually takes over a gigabyte of space on your sd card, so it sounds like you definitely need to have another card with more space. You have to be careful what kernel you want to try. If it was written for CM7 it may not work with Sense based roms. Depends how it was coded. You have to research information on the kernel to see if it lists anything specific about proprietary installation. If not, then go ahead and try it. BACKUP YOUR ROM FIRST BEFORE FLASHING.

Nice about to flash HoneyWonder now to see whats up..
I see that wolf has covered you on some damn good topics..
I have flashed lots of roms this honey wonder will be like my 9th lol but it all depends on you and the flashing it will take time to see what you like. As to speeding up your phone like set cpu @ the time I found useful cause you were able to set profiles for phone like when its sleep mode set it for like low power. And when your using it have a higher mhz etc.. But I did use juice defender as an app which to me it worked very good.
But to me I like Roms that do not take up memory lol

So im downloading some ROMs to my newly dedicated SD Just curius if i eed anything other than the roms on there? I mean CWM and all of that should be not only on my phones memory but also in most roms correct? You guys have been a huge help! Im loving this honeywonder but want to play around soe more. Ia having a problem with it though sometimes when i try to reboot or anything that should take me to boot it simply will not do it. Ive installed the Inspirefix.zip but am still havingm some issues. And the phone is saying 3G ATT is that just what its saying and im still 4G or has the ROM taken me back to 3??? Just wondering Because its still hella fast im about to trey a readio and ril flash to try and get some more speed. Hopr i dont screw anyhting up

Diesel321 said:
So im downloading some ROMs to my newly dedicated SD Just curius if i eed anything other than the roms on there? I mean CWM and all of that should be not only on my phones memory but also in most roms correct? You guys have been a huge help! Im loving this honeywonder but want to play around soe more. Ia having a problem with it though sometimes when i try to reboot or anything that should take me to boot it simply will not do it. Ive installed the Inspirefix.zip but am still havingm some issues. And the phone is saying 3G ATT is that just what its saying and im still 4G or has the ROM taken me back to 3??? Just wondering Because its still hella fast im about to trey a readio and ril flash to try and get some more speed. Hopr i dont screw anyhting up
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I flashed honey with out the inspire fix if you did I would plug your phone back in go to you sd card and delete it out and reflash.
If you have not made a back up in cwm then do so and it will located in your sd card in the folder clock work and then a sub folder called back ups. I myself save that back on my pc just to have.
The 3g icon I had that and its ok.
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[Q] I have had it with this horrible phone. Help me get a good flash for once.

In the life of this phone, I have easily flashed a good 15-20 different Roms onto the device and used most of them for a decent amount of time. NO ROM has ever worked very good at all. The best luck I have ever had were with a couple like Valhalla and Octane that would work pretty decent for a couple months then the problems would always return in full force. Again, EVERY single rom has gotten extremely annoying problems eventually. I have had it with this phone.
I don't know what I could be missing here, as I have tried multiple times to start completely fresh from stock and wipe everything before and after a flash, but nothing works. The current ROM was installed after an sd card format, full wipe, wiped caches, etc... Right now it will randomly exit the messaging app frequently, has wifi problems, apps force close, random restarts, it often won't upload/download things because it says it doesn't have an sd card, and to top it off, CWM is having problems and will get stuck on a screen with just a picture and no words.
This phone is borderline unusable for its stability and other issues and I am tired of trying to make it work well. I am not even new to flashing roms, but this phone is a headache. Someone, please help me figure out what is wrong with this phone.
Even with these problems and my long rant here, this would still be a great phone and should have plenty of life left in it. I had minimal problems with my old SGS Captivate that I had before this, so I don't know what is wrong. Perhaps a piece of hardware is faulty? I would highly doubt that. I need help!

Use the GB Starter Pack. If you are using Titanium to put everything back, it may lead to problems. I remember a couple of times where restoring all my apks and data with Titanium caused a soft boot or force close cycle.
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I stopped using TB a long time ago. That would not be the problem.

What ROM are you currently using right now. Maybe see if you can take a log of it to find out why the things Messaging might not be working?
From my tank of a Galaxy S 4G. Seen more floor than a rookie lightweight in wrestling.

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What ROM are you currently using right now. Maybe see if you can take a log of it to find out why the things Messaging might not be working?
From my tank of a Galaxy S 4G. Seen more floor than a rookie lightweight in wrestling.
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It is currently on the non-themed Octane 3.0. I don't have the phone next to me right now, but can you explain the process for taking a log?

It sounds like you've wasted too much time trying flashing roms and trying to make the piece of crap perfect than actually using the phone. As much as I hate the stock of this phone, I will suggest using the one click kj6 heimdall then root it and voodoo no tweaks. Also start from fresh and try octane v3.0 w/o tweaks or kernal updates.

http://rootzwiki.com/topic/11930-learn-to-logcat-like-a-pro/
I hope that helps you out. There are some apps on the market like CatLog and aLogcat that also take logs if the guide doesn't work for you.

Vicious89 said:
It sounds like you've wasted too much time trying flashing roms and trying to make the piece of crap perfect than actually using the phone. As much as I hate the stock of this phone, I will suggest using the one click kj6 heimdall then root it and voodoo no tweaks. Also start from fresh and try octane v3.0 w/o tweaks or kernal updates.
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Im not trying to make it perfect at all. I am just trying to make it usable. It is extremely annoying when all you want to do is create a message but the app constantly force closes no matter what you do. The dialer has had the same closing problem also. Or the frequent rebooting multiple times a day. Like I said, I have had a few good flashes, but they only last for a few months until the problems come back.

To me, it seems as if though you are having some cache problems. Start fresh. Flash to froyo and try. If that doesn't work, then take your phone to t-mobile, because that is a hardware problem. I have been using the same rom for a month or two now (latest beta version of my AOSP Style) and I haven't had a single fc. I have even used processor tweaks and whatnot. SO before you cuss this phone out, I suggest you try my solution, it is guaranteed to work.

Oh yeah, as air said, it might actually be a hardware problem.
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To me, it seems as if though you are having some cache problems. Start fresh. Flash to froyo and try. If that doesn't work, then take your phone to t-mobile, because that is a hardware problem. I have been using the same rom for a month or two now (latest beta version of my AOSP Style) and I haven't had a single fc. I have even used processor tweaks and whatnot. SO before you cuss this phone out, I suggest you try my solution, it is guaranteed to work.
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I have flashed back to froyo already, unfortunately. And there isn't a contract on the phone anyway. Do you know what piece of hardware would cause this though?

Not really sure, but if you are back to stock, I'd try to exchange it for another phone. I've had this phone since June (also not on contract), and I haven't had any of the problems you've had. Yes, I do need to reboot my phone every once in a while because bluetooth sticks and won't come on, but that's about it.
Usually, after I flash a rom and restore my programs/theme, I'll go back into cwm, wipe cache, wipe, dalvik, fix permissions, and then reboot and let the phone sit for a while. That usually takes care of making sure everything works right.

Thank you to the developers of MR3

I wanted to thank the developers of MR3 in this thread. Liquid, Jester, etc.
I'm a long time lurker of this forum since I got my Thunderbolt. I'm VERY VERY appreciative of the developers for creating a very functional ICS rom for the Thunderbolt. Shame on HTC and Verizon for sandbagging so long with what should be a very simple upgrade for them. I was running Thundershed for awhile but grew tired of the Gingerbread look and feel of Android. My friends all mostly have newer phones with ICS, and I couldn't believe that it was supposed to be out in August and it's now mid-October and it's still not out.
To my surprise, I log on to here and see that an ICS ROM had been released.
My only issues with this ROM are random restarts and the white screen error in Facebook/Gmail/etc. I don't really use the video camera much in general; could you use an aftermarket app, or is it broken period?
Otherwise, I absolutely LOVE this and will never go back to Verizon's bloated software. Even when an OTA is released with ICS I won't go back. My phone is running much faster and much better than with Sense and Gingerbread. With data off I had a 10% decrease in battery in 7 hours; with data on and normal use I'll get maybe 5 hours out of a charge on this ROM. About normal for this phone and it's absolutely terrible battery life with the stock battery.
I have it overclocked to 1.5ghz running interactiveX as my governor. It runs beautifully, other than those two minor issues I pointed out above. I haven't experienced any data drops or anything out of the sort like that.

vashts80 said:
I wanted to thank the developers of MR3 in this thread. Liquid, Jester, etc.
I'm a long time lurker of this forum since I got my Thunderbolt. I'm VERY VERY appreciative of the developers for creating a very functional ICS rom for the Thunderbolt. Shame on HTC and Verizon for sandbagging so long with what should be a very simple upgrade for them. I was running Thundershed for awhile but grew tired of the Gingerbread look and feel of Android. My friends all mostly have newer phones with ICS, and I couldn't believe that it was supposed to be out in August and it's now mid-October and it's still not out.
To my surprise, I log on to here and see that an ICS ROM had been released.
My only issues with this ROM are random restarts and the white screen error in Facebook/Gmail/etc. I don't really use the video camera much in general; could you use an aftermarket app, or is it broken period?
Otherwise, I absolutely LOVE this and will never go back to Verizon's bloated software. Even when an OTA is released with ICS I won't go back. My phone is running much faster and much better than with Sense and Gingerbread. With data off I had a 10% decrease in battery in 7 hours; with data on and normal use I'll get maybe 5 hours out of a charge on this ROM. About normal for this phone and it's absolutely terrible battery life with the stock battery.
I have it overclocked to 1.5ghz running interactiveX as my governor. It runs beautifully, other than those two minor issues I pointed out above. I haven't experienced any data drops or anything out of the sort like that.
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I second this thread.
A major thanks goes out to all of you who develop, in any way, for the Thunderbolt community. This even includes testers.
To answer your questions...
The video and front camera are broken even with an aftermarket app and will remain broken, most likely, until Verizon releases the OTA. From the OTA, our awesome developers will then be able to fix camera issues and many other issues that will make their ROM's 100% stable.
Also, if you get random reboots, you may want to flash to a different radio.
If you are currently running the OTA radios from the 2.11.605.19 software and still get these reboots, try flashing the combo radio and hopefully the reboots will vanish or, at least, happen less often.
If you go to your settings, about phone, software information, more, and look at the baseband version...
If the numbers you see are:
1.49.00.0406w_1, 0.01.79.0331w_1
Then you are on the OTA 2.11.605.19 radios, which is my recommendation for the radios to use with this ROM. If these are the radio numbers you see, try the combo radio. If the numbers you see under your phones baseband version is not:
1.49.00.0406w_1, 0.01.79.0331w_1
Then it may be:
1.48.00.0930w_3, 0.01.78.0916w_3
If it is:
1.48.00.0930w_3, 0.01.78.0916w_3
Try flashing the 2.11.605.19 OTA radios found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1605557
If you have the 2.11.605.19 radios, though, try flashing the combo radio found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1864157
If you aren't sure how to flash a radio, here's a video tutorial for you to follow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu-KLjHGGhc&sns=em
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Definitely want to ditto this thread. Thanks for continuing to support the Thunderbolt. I was on the verge of retiring the Thunderbolt. ICS has brought new the Tbolt new life though!

thanks for the links. I'm going to try upgrading tonight and see if that helps. I notice you flash the radio in hboot. If I do a nandroid backup, does it also backup the radio (so I can restore it)? Or if I **** up, will it be permanently bricked?

Ditto to all that has been said. Thank You to all who made this happen, including HTC and Verizon. Their inaction drove me to decide to root and find alternatives. I've been incredibly pleased with MR3.
Thanks all!
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thanks for the links. I'm going to try upgrading tonight and see if that helps. I notice you flash the radio in hboot. If I do a nandroid backup, does it also backup the radio (so I can restore it)? Or if I **** up, will it be permanently bricked?
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If you backup that ROM after flashing the radio, it will back up the ROM. Hboot is a whole different thing than the recovery. That radio is downloaded to the phone and will automatically run on any ROM after its downloaded, even if you start from scratch. But flashing any of those two radios will not brick you on any ROM. Worst case being you won't have signal or data until you flash different radios again.
Say if you upgraded to the newer radios, and then you flash a ROM based on an older software version, you won't brick. In fact, you may not ever experience any issues. Maybe just signal changes or random signal drops.
But no, it won't brick you. It's almost impossible to brick a Thunderbolt.
I recommend after flashing the new radios, immediately go and either change the name from PG05IMG to something custom, move into a different folder that's off of the root of the SD card, or just delete it once flashed.
This is for in a such case where you need to get back into recovery from hboot, it won't prompt you to install the radio again. Because if you had to get into recovery from hboot, it wouldn't allow you to since it runs a check for the PG05IMG files first... and with that being said... I was always told to never flash the same radio twice without changing to a new one first.
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i dont' see why these ROMs get so much acclaim... when i tried LiquidSmooth it wouldn't stay connected to the Internet. tried to toggle wifi and 3G/4G. nothing works and i have to reboot the phone every time i want to use the Internet.
Liquid MR3: the setup crashed and now the ROM won't even come all the way up...
unless my phone's broken or something (going to Verizon tomorrow to reflash and check it), i say they're both absolute garbage. i've had much better luck with ROMs on other phones.

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i dont' see why these ROMs get so much acclaim... when i tried LiquidSmooth it wouldn't stay connected to the Internet. tried to toggle wifi and 3G/4G. nothing works and i have to reboot the phone every time i want to use the Internet.
Liquid MR3: the setup crashed and now the ROM won't even come all the way up...
unless my phone's broken or something (going to Verizon tomorrow to reflash and check it), i say they're both absolute garbage. i've had much better luck with ROMs on other phones.
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Did you try a different radio and redownload? The first shot isnt always the right one....

trter10 said:
Did you try a different radio and redownload? The first shot isnt always the right one....
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whelp... as you can see from my post number, i'm not exactly the most well-versed member around. idk what that means. any reading you can point me to or explanation?

moonlightcheese said:
whelp... as you can see from my post number, i'm not exactly the most well-versed member around. idk what that means. any reading you can point me to or explanation?
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Back up 9 posts and you'll see a link to a video tutorial on how to flash a different radio. You'll even see 2 links to 2 different radios to flash and try.
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Back up 9 posts and you'll see a link to a video tutorial on how to flash a different radio. You'll even see 2 links to 2 different radios to flash and try.
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well i reflashed Liquid this morning and it didn't crash this time, connected fine via wifi and setup completed properly.
all of my radio issues were on the old version (not sure if there's a difference in radios or whatnot), but if it acts up again i will try your recommendations. thanks a lot.
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moonlightcheese said:
well i reflashed Liquid this morning and it didn't crash this time, connected fine via wifi and setup completed properly.
all of my radio issues were on the old version (not sure if there's a difference in radios or whatnot), but if it acts up again i will try your recommendations. thanks a lot.
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ah i see what happened now.
the first time i flashed it, i cleared /data after the flash before i brought the OS up, but you've included the launcher as a user app and not a system app. was this intentional? a user could easily screw up by uninstalling the launcher and have no way to interact with the OS. shouldn't there be a default launcher embedded in the system programs?
i'm an Android dev, but my understanding of system development is limited, but if i'm not mistaken, any Android ROM should come with a default launcher that is not uninstallable and has no icon as a backup launcher just in case.

He did install it that way so if the user wants to install their own launcher and remove the default. Its simple to make the new one a system app. All that has to be done is move the apk to /system and it is uninstallable.
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