Hello All,
i got a application from the Nokia 5800 which is like playin the piano..
so jus thought if we could port it to our devices
I would say it's impossible.
It's like you cannot bake a bread with a coffee machine...
It is not impossible. It would require an emulator that emulates the hardware of a Nokia. I even imagine that SIS-Files could run on a virtual machine, meaning there is one abstraction layer between the software and the actual hardware.
The reason such an emulator does not exist by now:
1) The hardware capable of executing SIS binaries is not documented well enough.
2) The libraries required to run those binaries are not documented to allow an emulation or virtualisation.
3) There are legal issues: the SIS hardware, OS and libraries are well patented and protected by law.
4) It is much easier to program a similar software from scratch on the WM platform.
5) Nobody has so far been willing to do it for free and in an illegal way.
6) Nobody has thought so far, there is money to be made out of this.
This means: buy a Nokia to run that particular software...
...or see if it is available for PalmOS (if so, search for StyleTap) or PocketPC.
Cheers,
vma
vikasraj said:
Hello All,
i got a application from the Nokia 5800 which is like playin the piano..
so jus thought if we could port it to our devices
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****** head*
Playing the piano? You mean like Omniano?
Hi Guys
I'm currently a very heavy business user of my WinMob Acer M900 and whilst this phone is almost perfect, it has one issue - it runs out of RAM all the time (why Acer?! WHY!?)
Anyway, so i'm going to have to replace this phone as it costs me more of my time managing it and rebuilding it to clean it up that its probably more cost effective to spend a few hundred quid replacing it.
So, as part of this, I thought "why not Android?". A few question need to be answered before I can do this though so I thought I would come to the experts (yes, thats YOU ):
1. Does it have full sync with Outlook (to include mail, contacts, tasks and calendars)
2. Can it process (and send) ICAL?
3. Are there Word and Excel EDITORS available? (Powerpoint is optional)
4. Can 2.0 show the proper Flash stuff yet? (more explained later)
5. Does the web browsing experience honestly compete with Opera 10b on WinMob?
6. Can I Internet Share/Teather?
7. Does it suffer from memory issues like a lot of WinMob devices do?
8. Can I use the phone as a memory stick like I can with WinMob devices?
9. Is there a Live Mesh client for Android?
10. Can they be flashed with diferent ROMS like Winmob devices?
With regards to Flash (mentioned above). My Winmob device - at least if it had enough ram! - can access my mates full flash website and show it (www.thehoggz.co.uk). I have previously performed some testing on an older G1 (?) with someone to find that Winmob (with full Flash 7) was by far the best at this, with Nokia next and finaly the G1. Now I understand that Flash clients are being re-written but they are not here yet. Does anyone have any experience of Android 2.0 and Flash, has it improved?
Appreciate that this is a long list but i'm so fed up with buying devices only to be let down continualy on what they claim to be able to do and can't. Please be honest, I'm really trying to get the right solution this time
I look forward to any helpfull answers!!! THANKYOU!
(just seen Orb's link to JKONTHERUN and so I will also now start reading this)
The answers to all your questions as far as I know are "yes" with the exception of 8 and 9 because I don't know. But I think you'll be better off getting an HD2 as using Android you will be relying on 3rd party software for your work a lot.
very promising, thanks!!!
8 and 9 could be serious issues for me, will have to think. Been looking around and the new Toshiba looks good.
Can't use HD2 as I need a hardware keyboard.
edit: You said yes to all but 8 and 9, so Android devices suffer memory issues like Winmob then?
First of all DO NOT buy a Toshiba, as every one of their devices in the past suffers a number of serious bugs. Plus you don't get XDA support at all.
Android does suffer from memory issues, if you run a lot of apps. But of course you can end unused apps from running in the backgroud anyway. And if memory availability is crucial to you, find a ROM without HTC's Sense UI.
And don't forget most modern (late-2009) phones have more memory than phones of 2008.
Actually I was being stupid - the answer to 8 is YES. The memory card can be mounted as a storage device.
Actually my Tosh G900 was excellent device.
Not bothered about HTC support specificaly, I have had nothing bad serious trouble with there devices - all three i've owned.
So, I can't plug the phone in to a laptop via a PC and tell the phone to act as a memory stick?
Monty Burns said:
So, I can't plug the phone in to a laptop via a PC and tell the phone to act as a memory stick?
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Of course you can. Uses standard USB mass storage protocol. Note: I assume that you mean NVM rather than RAM when you say "memory". No device should ever use NVM as RAM.
As for this so-called memory "problem"... it is in fact, quite minor. Don't worry about what wywywywy says.
Android has a very cool feature for dealing with limited memory-- automatic kick-out of non-foreground applications.
There is NO NEED to kill programs that you aren't using.
If you need the extra memory, android will do that FOR you by killing off programs based on a set of priorities (some programs *need* to keep running, some programs are desirable to keep running, but of varying importance).
In other words, more memory is always better, but it handles it VERY smartly -- so you don't need to worry about it.
Just for reference with your M900, have you tried Daskalos' lite rom?
He's manages to squeeze 69mb out of the RAM.
Ben.
Yes mate, running the 69meg lite now but by the time you have installed spb shell (Be honest, the old today screen is sh*&) and a few other basic apps.... i'm down to 33meg free - fire up Opera and open the BBC home page and i'm out of ram.
How Acer could design such an awesome device and cripple it over such a cheap component is beyond my understanding.
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Sounds excellent. So, is 128meg plenty? Am I able to open webpages without issues (unlike WinMob, Opera 10b)? I'm sure the answer to the next question is "of course" but, is a device with 256 much more beneficial? Should I make this a priority?
Only Windows Mob devices can connect to Live Mesh as it's a Microsoft site. I'm sure there are similar "cloud" environments that Android can connect to though just can't think of any as I never found Live Mesh to be that useful.
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I know I am a noob and probably asking a dumb queshtion but is it possible to dump the whole Android os and download W7 or ?
I know with my home computer I assembled all the pieces and then bought the OS. loaded it and walla it worked. can I do the same for the Gtab? unitnstall everything and start freash on a windows platform?
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I know I am a noob and probably asking a dumb queshtion but is it possible to dump the whole Android os and download W7 or ?
I know with my home computer I assembled all the pieces and then bought the OS. loaded it and walla it worked. can I do the same for the Gtab? unitnstall everything and start freash on a windows platform?
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Uh?.. I'm thinking no, the ARMv7 Processor was not designed to run intel based operating systems.
short answer: no
Operating systems require drivers. This is the same reason when you install linux on a computer you have to go searching for those pesky Broadcom drivers so your wireless works. There has been some progress in porting a whole operating system to a device not intended for it (Android on HD2 is the furthest progressed as far as I know), and there are some ROM's/launchers to bring the WP7 experience to Android.
if you're talking about Windows 7 i'd say no way! even with the announcement of Windows 8 running on ARM....
Ok thanks.
Ya if your looking for the layout or widget stylings check out "7 widgets Home Plus", plus one of my coworkers just bought a windows 7 phone and has had 3 viruses in 1 week. I am by no means an anti windows person...just not the best mobile enviroment as they have proved time and time again...
Windows can not run on ARM processors as the code is not made for it. That's why you see x86 and x64 editions of Windows, it only supports those processors.
However, Windows 8 promises ARM support as well as increased tablet usability, but its Microsoft, so who knows.
You don't really need Windows anyways.
I'm wondering if apps that are on windows store for WP8 if will work on WP7.8 devices or there will be an option for developers to port easily the apps to both version of OS with same source code but with little optimizations?
I try to search something on Google but i didn't find something.
XAP and apx
well . it will NOT work . more likely developers will now have to decide .. program will run on ALL available devices or only on new .
there are 2 formats linked with minimal hardware requirements
1. XAP - Qualcomm S1 800 mghz / 256 ram. it supposed to be like universal
2. APX . qualcomm S4 / 512 ram
windows Phone 7.8 - Supports only XAP
Windows Phone 8 - Supports APX and XAP
I got HTC 7 Mozart: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_7_mozart-3530.php as i can see thee is 512MB+ RAM so ... i hate Microsoft and i will never buy again MS Product.
512 .. and ? it only allows run FULL version of 7.x without any limitation . apparently there is also subclass of applications which require 512 ram for and for example will not work on devices with 256 ( lumia 610 and 510 ) . as well as windows phone 8 / where some applications want 1 gb .
and you forgot about CPU lol :laugh:
phones divided by generations . inside generation ( os version ) phone must run and application . upper generion must run older apps in compability mode with some impovenents . idea similar to consoles like Xbox and playstation ( for example you cant run games from ps3 on ps 2 and 1 ) . why split ? becose developers who want to develop application for android really *****ing bricks . from market fragmentation and diversity . in ms way
1. developer know target hardware and its capabilities .
2. developer know supported api set
API set heavily related to hardware itself . for example DX 9.3 , and some programming sets heavlily related to OS kernel . you may know that windows phone 8 is Windows NT .Not Windows CE 7.1 BASED
mo3ulla said:
512 .. and ? it only allows run FULL version of 7.x without any limitation . apparently there is also subclass of applications which require 512 ram for and for example will not work on devices with 256 ( lumia 610 and 510 ) . as well as windows phone 8 / where some applications want 1 gb .
and you forgot about CPU lol :laugh:
phones divided by generations . inside generation ( os version ) phone must run and application . upper generion must run older apps in compability mode with some impovenents . idea similar to consoles like Xbox and playstation ( for example you cant run games from ps3 on ps 2 and 1 ) . why split ? becose developers who want to develop application for android really *****ing bricks . from market fragmentation and diversity . in ms way
1. developer know target hardware and its capabilities .
2. developer know supported api set
API set heavily related to hardware itself . for example DX 9.3 , and some programming sets heavlily related to OS kernel . you may know that windows phone 8 is Windows NT .Not Windows CE 7.1 BASED
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I feel like they sh1t on us with this, they push the WP7 and now they remove it from market with WP8...
when Apple can upgrade iPhone 3G to iOS6, MS can't upgrade a one to another version of OS
1 . you cant upgrade Iphone 3g to ios 6. only 3gs .
2. Ios6 on 3gs - is pretty same as 5 . nothing new.
3. despite on possobility of implement siri on 4g . they did not
4. there is plenty of apps which require dedicated minimum of Iphone (4 and later ) and not working on any others 3-3gs ) .
same approach as apple implemented by MS .
in 7.8 implemented most of features to keep platform inside Windows Phone ecosistem without any problem ( well as some sort of - low end ( :laugh: . same design . close API and programming functionality .
and Nt kernel a bit huge for low end devices , its not CE with minimal system requirements
if you think that APX will become a REQUIREMENT you are wrong . from developer side . APX more like an option
Gizmo_x said:
I got HTC 7 Mozart: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_7_mozart-3530.php as i can see thee is 512MB+ RAM so ... i hate Microsoft and i will never buy again MS Product.
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it's not just the ram, it's also the chipset your HTC mozart still using 1st gen snapdragon, so it might not be powerful enough to run win 8 apps
as ms supposed
apx intended for
1. HD applications or programs ported from windows RT
2. application with exccessive calculations or graphical requiremens ( premium games )
for rest of applications is still intended - xap
The HTC Mozart is now 2 years old. If it gets WP 7.8 it will still have gotten better/longer support than most android devices. Windows Phone 8 is a huge overhaul of the OS (and it uses a different kernel) so WP 8 apps can not run on WP7.5/7.8 devices, however WP8 has been designed to be backwards compatible so WP8 will run most of the WP7.5/7.8 apps.
I think it is bold to assume that every single developer will instantly abandon the WP7.x platform completely, more likely they will put out one version for each system.
Still, if you'd rather move to android or iOS, no one is stoping you.
Time to say good bye for WP7.8 by MS.
i have an other question but it is related to apps and windows phone 7.8.
Are we gonna have some new SDK coming out for the 7.8 because i see there are some differences, the live tiles which are developed with micrsoft windows phone 7 /7.1 /7.1.1 SDK flip now on 7.10.8858 ROMs just like the wp8 tiles, it is faaaar better, so my question is can we expect something like an 7.8 SDK with some new abilities for the live tiles, like making big live tiles for the 7.8? i would love to have my app have the same visual abilities like the live tiles on wp8. for now they fliping the same way. i hope we get some API with which we can work to make the big one s too and some other transition effects like on th e wp8.
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Ok, good bye. Have fun with android or iOS, whatever you prefer.
Dinchy87 said:
i have an other question but it is related to apps and windows phone 7.8.
Are we gonna have some new SDK coming out for the 7.8 because i see there are some differences, the live tiles which are developed with micrsoft windows phone 7 /7.1 /7.1.1 SDK flip now on 7.10.8858 ROMs just like the wp8 tiles, it is faaaar better, so my question is can we expect something like an 7.8 SDK with some new abilities for the live tiles, like making big live tiles for the 7.8? i would love to have my app have the same visual abilities like the live tiles on wp8. for now they fliping the same way. i hope we get some API with which we can work to make the big one s too and some other transition effects like on th e wp8.
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I assume that there will be an addition of wide tiles to the API so probably a small version bump in the SDK. But if we get that for sure only time or MS can tell. Maybe they'll still lock the wide tiles to OEMs, just like they currently do (officially)
I assume that there will be an addition of wide tiles to the API so probably a small version bump in the SDK. But if we get that for sure only time or MS can tell. Maybe they'll still lock the wide tiles to OEMs, just like they currently do (officially)
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if they lock the big tile to OEMs that would be a disappointment to all developers. first the wp8 SDK needs to much resources. i have to buy additional 2GB of RAM, and i need to reinstall my windows 8 to x64. Thats to much for the majority of developers to ask for. So wp8 could also make an slow progress on apps because of that fact. and the last thing about all that is we must pay to develop and spread our apps from which the Windows Phone ecosystem lives! i would set the developer price to $0 for the once which are offering free no ad apps. if you want to add ads to your apps microsoft gets an % share of the earnings, and the third possible situation you want to make paid apps, you pay % of the share of each app selled. so every possible developer would jump on the wp7 wp8 development. but if we pay, like i, and get our apps out, then we get the SDK late, and it uses s o much resources and Microsoft earns on us then this is not ok! They are selling apps as an major feature, and without developers no apps, no live tiles - and no apps means no business. but Microsoft wants that we pay for it to develop no matter how much we are doing for the community.
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Actually, this will keep 7.8 and the developers making apps for it, alive.
MS intends to keep 7.8 as the lower to mid-high end of their market, with 8 being the exclusive high end. More people will have 7.8 than 8, therefore, apps are needed more on 7.8 than on 8. This means 7.8 will not die, because both devs and MS need it.
In fact, every app that does not require very precise programming(AKA C++) will be written in the 7.8 sdk.
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Actually, this will keep 7.8 and the developers making apps for it, alive.
MS intends to keep 7.8 as the lower to mid-high end of their market, with 8 being the exclusive high end. More people will have 7.8 than 8, therefore, apps are needed more on 7.8 than on 8. This means 7.8 will not die, because both devs and MS need it.
In fact, every app that does not require very precise programming(AKA C++) will be written in the 7.8 sdk.
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as i know wp8 will have native code execute, what about wp7.8?
mcosmin222 said:
Actually, this will keep 7.8 and the developers making apps for it, alive.
MS intends to keep 7.8 as the lower to mid-high end of their market, with 8 being the exclusive high end. More people will have 7.8 than 8, therefore, apps are needed more on 7.8 than on 8. This means 7.8 will not die, because both devs and MS need it.
In fact, every app that does not require very precise programming(AKA C++) will be written in the 7.8 sdk.
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yeah but to develop for the WP7.8 OS you need the WP8 SDK. windows blog stated this one or two days ago. If you want to use the new features like the biggest live tile you will need wp8 SDK. and therefor plenty developers will say this is bull****, because i think 50% or more of the world wide developers need to upgrade their PCs to run the WP8 SDK. and that gonna be hard for Microsoft. The WP7 system lives from apps, if you dont have developers to develop it, what will happen with WP8???
and if you ask me i wish they make and 7.8 sdk which can run on the same devices like 7.1 SDK. but i think that's not gonna happen, Microsoft want that we buy windows 8 x64 to developer for Windows Phones (7.8 and 8)
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yeah but to develop for the WP7.8 OS you need the WP8 SDK. windows blog stated this one or two days ago. If you want to use the new features like the biggest live tile you will need wp8 SDK. and therefor plenty developers will say this is bull****, because i think 50% or more of the world wide developers need to upgrade their PCs to run the WP8 SDK. and that gonna be hard for Microsoft. The WP7 system lives from apps, if you dont have developers to develop it, what will happen with WP8???
and if you ask me i wish they make and 7.8 sdk which can run on the same devices like 7.1 SDK. but i think that's not gonna happen, Microsoft want that we buy windows 8 x64 to developer for Windows Phones (7.8 and 8)
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Upgrading to win 8x64 costs like 50 bucks....not that much considering you get a lot of sweet stuff.
The bigger problem will be the emulators which require very specific hardware power. But than again, you should have a phone by now.
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officially there is no native code fore 7.x family at all.it just never intended.due limitations of ce7kernel(there is no security for such code at all)
Native code on RT (phone. And windows rt edition).runs in sandbox enviroment .like traditional metro apps (7x).so no kernel mode at all.it suitable only for sharing programming model with desktop version
mo3ulla said:
officially there is no native code fore 7.x family at all.it just never intended.due limitations of ce7kernel(there is no security for such code at all)
Native code on RT (phone. And windows rt edition).runs in sandbox enviroment .like traditional metro apps (7x).so no kernel mode at all.it suitable only for sharing programming model with desktop version
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then Wp7.8 will lose opportunity for Cross platform game engines like Unity3D because they are going to support only Wp8.
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Upgrading to win 8x64 costs like 50 bucks....not that much considering you get a lot of sweet stuff.
The bigger problem will be the emulators which require very specific hardware power. But than again, you should have a phone by now.
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I'm speaking of development for 7.8 Europe and eat Europe, Asia markets will be very good for wp7.8 development. and 7.8 will be tied to the WP8 SDK. and i have already 7.8 and i dont want to develop for wp8 for now. the problem is not in windows 8, the problem is when they told us about the specifications. i already had x86 as they said that. and i dont have 4GB RAM and no CPU with SLAT support. this will be in east Europe about 200-250$ investment! for what? for microsoft that they can live with WP8 and with our apps? They live of our apps they should give us what we need to develop, 7.1 sdk run very well on my pc and i have no problems, and if 7.8 is stil a 7 then why new resource needs and specifications? I think their lazy to make an custom sdk for 7.8 and will just reflection some stuff from wp8. and an reflection uses the wp8 SDK and of course windows 8 and 4gb ram an an CPU with SLAT. so 50% of the worldwide developers must upgrade... half of my friends must upgrade to develop further for Windows Phone 7.8 and that is bull****.
Hi. I would love to see Native linux on my Sensation, but nobody did it yet, and I'm maybe high level user, but hardly developer. First I was thinking about porting HD2 Ubuntu, but then I realized... There is one very expensive device on the internet. Device with Android phone specs. but Native linux on it. Pandora Handheld Device. If someone could help me with porting pandora system (Or just do it yourway) it would be great, not only for me, but for the whole community. The big advantage is that, Pandora system is the most (I think) developed ARM Linux in the world. It means we just need to get it work, and the rest is already done.
Here you go with some links:
Porting
Booting
Files
Sorry for my English and I please you to help me. Will be waiting.
(Sorry if it should be in General)
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Hi. I would love to see Native linux on my Sensation, but nobody did it yet, and I'm maybe high level user, but hardly developer. First I was thinking about porting HD2 Ubuntu, but then I realized... There is one very expensive device on the internet. Device with Android phone specs. but Native linux on it. Pandora Handheld Device. If someone could help me with porting pandora system (Or just do it yourway) it would be great, not only for me, but for the whole community. The big advantage is that, Pandora system is the most (I think) developed ARM Linux in the world. It means we just need to get it work, and the rest is already done.
Here you go with some links:
Porting
Booting
Files
Sorry for my English and I please you to help me. Will be waiting.
(Sorry if it should be in General)
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