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Unrevoked Team: Recovery Reflash Tool

We have now released our tool that will flash koush's recovery to your device without a engineering hboot etc. All you need is root, please see:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=706270

And I'm sure this works with your rooting method right?

yep... sure does.

Shadowmite said:
We have now released our tool that will flash koush's recovery to your device without a engineering hboot etc. All you need is root, please see:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=706270
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will the source code be released for this method?
it is great to have multiple methods! thanks!!!

No, this method we hope will remain underwraps for many more htc devices. But rest assured we will happily explore and implement it on as many devices as we can.

joeykrim said:
will the source code be released for this method?
it is great to have multiple methods! thanks!!!
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No plans at this time, sorry. We've planned on blogging about the first root method we found for some time (and still use for older phones), just never got around to it.
mmastrac (unrevoked)

is this *full* nand unlock. The part 2 of the Evo Rooting process

Will this erase everything I have on my phone? Are there instructions anywhere for how to do this?

RickBaller said:
Will this erase everything I have on my phone? Are there instructions anywhere for how to do this?
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Get the original Unrevoked and then get titanium backup, then backup. Then do this unrevoked recovery flash.

worked flawlessly on my mac first time. ran nandroid. installed custom rom. love it.
ive noticed a custom rom or two requires full nand unlock.. even after boot. would this method allow for use of that kind of rom.. or would we need to do the original full root method(part 1 + 2)? ex...forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=700448
if original root mthod is indeed required for customs roms such as the above mentioned.. could we just pick up at original root method part two? or would we have to still start form the beginning? i personally dont care about being able to have full R/W access while in android.. but if im going to miss out on some roms i might consider doing the "full root" method.
id prefer not to tho.. as i LOVE everything unrevoked is doing. thanks for all the hard work.

worked like a charm
stock evo + unrevoked root + unrevoked recovery + custom rom of your choice .... hell yeah doesn't get any easier

Works amazing! Great work guys!

does this give you FULL root or just the ability to load custom roms?

knives of ice said:
does this give you FULL root or just the ability to load custom roms?
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appears just the ability to load custom ROMs. don't think this gives write access to /system.
in order to manipulate files for /system, requires their root method with their special shadow directory and mount bind command method.

If its not full root then what's the point? It seems to me that it just makes things more confusing because users think they are rooted when in fact they are not..
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MrDSL said:
If its not full root then what's the point? It seems to me that it just makes things more confusing because users think they are rooted when in fact they are not..
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depends how you define full root.
the user has full root (superuser access) to the whole phone, but does not have write access to /system due to NAND protection.
the release in this thread, they've used some kind of exploit/method to bypass NAND protection temporarily to allow write access to the /recovery partition.

Funny though, about three weeks ago, i used the unrevoked to kick off rooting the wifes phone while i was driving down the road, I used it to get what i needed to flash to finish up with toasts method. LOL...

I'm running the Fresh v0.3 which says you need nand unlocked.
I'm new to Android but if I can flash these custom roms I think that's good enough
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this is pretty cool, gonna have to look into this!

i didnt think the two toast root steps were hard to begin with. Especially for all the benefits. But good job unrevoked team for the contribution, for those that cannot or choose not to r00t the other way. Choices are what this place is all about

[Q] Rooting Inspire Question, Just got the phone.

Greets All,
I am sorry that I have to ask a few questions, only cause I really dont want to mess anything up, I got the phone about a week ago, and I have been reading alot of the different sections about rooting, and I see the different types of ways, and there is good replies and bad replies so I am a bit on the fence. I even got a CWR of this: att-inspire-rooted-signed.zip but I cant for the life of me find where I got it from. But let me ask the questions:
1) I want to keep the phone completely as is, I dont want to install another rom or anything right now, all I want to be able to do, is, remove the att software, and root the phone so that I can install the apk's I have on my sdcard. Do I have to go thru the whole hack kit or one click root and all that? Or is there a simple root and stay with the stock rom?
2) The file I mentioned: att-inspire-rooted-signed.zip I renamed it to update.zip, and then went into the bootloader, then recovery, obviously I got the phone with the red triangle thing, but hitting the up volume and the power button give me a CWR menu, and one of them is to install update from sdcard, but when I choose that zip it says about e:\cant open command folder blah, and then when I click update it says invalid operation. is that cause the phone isnt rooted?
3) If I have to root the phone, then which one will root it, but leabe everything intact if any? I dont want to change my radio, or the rom.
I am sorry if I am asking too much, but the rom has no sim at the moment and just playing with it everything works beautifully, even the gps works instantly because its properly using agps.
Thanks for the answers.

AngelDeath said:
Greets All,
I am sorry that I have to ask a few questions, only cause I really dont want to mess anything up, I got the phone about a week ago, and I have been reading alot of the different sections about rooting, and I see the different types of ways, and there is good replies and bad replies so I am a bit on the fence. I even got a CWR of this: att-inspire-rooted-signed.zip but I cant for the life of me find where I got it from. But let me ask the questions:
1) I want to keep the phone completely as is, I dont want to install another rom or anything right now, all I want to be able to do, is, remove the att software, and root the phone so that I can install the apk's I have on my sdcard. Do I have to go thru the whole hack kit or one click root and all that? Or is there a simple root and stay with the stock rom?
2) The file I mentioned: att-inspire-rooted-signed.zip I renamed it to update.zip, and then went into the bootloader, then recovery, obviously I got the phone with the red triangle thing, but hitting the up volume and the power button give me a CWR menu, and one of them is to install update from sdcard, but when I choose that zip it says about e:\cant open command folder blah, and then when I click update it says invalid operation. is that cause the phone isnt rooted?
3) If I have to root the phone, then which one will root it, but leabe everything intact if any? I dont want to change my radio, or the rom.
I am sorry if I am asking too much, but the rom has no sim at the moment and just playing with it everything works beautifully, even the gps works instantly because its properly using agps.
Thanks for the answers.
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If you want to remove the ATT bloatware you will have to root. You don't have to root to sideload. Just download the sideload wonder machine found in the dev section. As for rooting id suggest using the hack kit. Ive rooted 4 phones with it. First use the simple gold card maker. Then download the hack kit and follow the instructions in the read me file. Att1 has made it pretty simple. Then flash cleardroid stock rooted rom. All the bloatware is already removed. Its really stable. Good luck.
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What about the simple one click program instead of the hack kit?
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trell959 said:
What about the simple one click program instead of the hack kit?
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I have never used it myself so i cant give advice on it. That being said several thousand people have so im sure it will work fine.
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I'm glad you asked this question because I want to do the same thing I want to keep my phone stock and just root so I to can delete ATT crap and to edit my build.prop file because ATT pissed me off today telling me my speeds are slower than my friends 3gs because his has more storage space. Wtf. We ran speedtest app on both Phones to the same server and every single time his ran double or more on download speeds. ATT told me its the device doing it. IPhone fan boys is all I can say.
Anyway is there a easy way. I rooted my old aria with the unrevoked root. Super easy. Does the inspire have a easy way.
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slocav said:
I'm glad you asked this question because I want to do the same thing I want to keep my phone stock and just root so I to can delete ATT crap and to edit my build.prop file because ATT pissed me off today telling me my speeds are slower than my friends 3gs because his has more storage space. Wtf. We ran speedtest app on both Phones to the same server and every single time his ran double or more on download speeds. ATT told me its the device doing it. IPhone fan boys is all I can say.
Anyway is there a easy way. I rooted my old aria with the unrevoked root. Super easy. Does the inspire have a easy way.
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No true one click. I find the hack kit to be the best for me.
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I used bubby's one click method. Very simple, and there is a youtube video of it as well. Watch the entire video first so you have an idea of whats going on then go through the video while rooting. (not, downplaying the hack kit, i have never tried it) And for what its worth i too wanted a stock rom and chose Two pump chumps rom (Its a stock inspire rom -bloatware and improved a bit) and lee droids kernel, which gives a slight sound boost and smooths things a bit more imho. Good luck.

So if I do the root do you have to flash a Rom to delete bloatware? If I have to do a ROM the one posted above will it have sound issues etc? Thanks a ton.
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should be receiving my Inspire tomorrow....coming from the captivate section, this is definitely a little different. I have a quick question though...
The hack kit is used to enable s-off, temp-root, flash a rom that allows use of an old exploit, then permaroot. Once permarooted and CWM recovery has been flashed, any rom from the dev section can be flashed which will keep the root.
My question is, this process only has to be done once, correct?? All future roms will be flashed via CWM recovery, and there won't be ANY need to return to the stock ATT Inspire, unrooted rom??
I ask because with the Galaxy S/Captivate/etc it is usually recommended to flash back to stock before flashing a different custom rom, which means you lose root. I usually didn't that, and never had a problem, but i'm just trying to get a grasp on how this process differs from the Captivate. I will be GLAD to have a phone that can simply be cleared and flashed via CWM for all rom purposes.

All i know is bubby's method, and with it, it gives you root but its just like when you bought it. Now i think you can use clockwork mod or something to manually delete the bloat from there, but for the trouble its easier to flash a new rom that has it already done for you, and get a few bonuses with it. The one i suggested has given me no problems and is a ton faster than it was stock, although your phone may be different.

My question is, this process only has to be done once, correct?? All future roms will be flashed via CWM recovery, and there won't be ANY need to return to the stock ATT Inspire, unrooted rom??
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yes, the only need to go back is if you have to do a warranty return. Technically rooting voids the warranty, but if you undo it whos to know the difference

Bamatide2007 said:
yes, the only need to go back is if you have to do a warranty return. Technically rooting voids the warranty, but if you undo it whos to know the difference
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i actually meant to say "won't need to return to stock unless for warranty"...but yes i gotcha! thanks.
Like i said, although the Captivate seems more "open" or easier to root and such...in the end, this is going to be a MUCH better flashing technique compared to samsung phones. Everyone is always so worried about flashing to stock, doing this, doing that....

i guess i do have one last question....
it seems to be disputable at whether or not you need to do a factory reset/clear data within the CWM recovery during a new flash. When is it necessary and when can this be skipped?

Anytime your flashing a rom you need to do a full wipe, a benefit of CWM is it gives you the option when you start to flash anything to do one of 2 things A: being backup current rom, and B:full wipe.
So assuming you have a good backup already (if not do a backup before this step), just check the box for a full wipe and let it do the magic.
After getting the rom you want and you just want to flash a kernel, batterymod, etc then you only want to make a backup, you will not need to wipe at that point.

sounds good...thanks for all the help, Bamatide. Roll Tide!
I think i was just confused with the update process from within a rom, in which most dev's say it is ok to not wipe data in between updates. Flashing to a different rom requires the full wipe though everytime.
Just curious, but what happens if a full wipe is NOT done in between flashes? Is it just buggy or are there other problems?

The reason for a full wipe is because there could be conflicts between the two rom's where you could end up with just a bootloop and then you would need to do a wipe.
If you want there is a very simple way to do a full wipe, go to this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996383 and download the zip, this makes it very simple to do. I keep it on my sd card because I like to change rom's and this makes it very easy.
As for rooting I have tried both programs and found that Bubby's was the easy way to go, with the hack kit you have to be able to use the command prompt on the computer and with Bubby's it does it for you. I am not a whiz with command prompt that is why I did not use the hack kit.
I hope this helps especially the one click wipe, it work's great.

So with buddy's do you have to make the gold card what ever that is lol. I didn't have to do anything like that on my old aria and was curious. Also can someone make a sticky that explains what s-off is and what radio s-off etc. I didn't have any of that on my aria and I would like to know what they mean.
And to the op I'm sorry to thread jack but it was the exact same question I had. Hope you don't mind I'm asking on top of yours.
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slocav said:
So with buddy's do you have to make the gold card what ever that is lol. I didn't have to do anything like that on my old aria and was curious. Also can someone make a sticky that explains what s-off is and what radio s-off etc. I didn't have any of that on my aria and I would like to know what they mean.
And to the op I'm sorry to thread jack but it was the exact same question I had. Hope you don't mind I'm asking on top of yours.
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Don't be sorry most of us would rather you search then start a new thread. As for which method to use, essentially they are the same except the "one click" does most of the dos commands for you. Both downgrade your rom and radio and use that as an exploit, to root and s-off the phone.
Now problems people run into, there still seems to be a problem with CWM and the one click. For this reason I will recommend the Hack Kit, its nothing against bubby but it is sad to see the same "cwm blank screen" thread resurrected everyday.
Essentially s-on is Security on meaning you cannot flash unsigned roms. Radio s-off essentially allows you to flash custom roms. To flash a stock rooted rom you will need s-off.
With both methods you will need a gold card.

S-off also does away with the Gold card, once you get S-off you can format the SD card be done with it.

mudknot2005 said:
Don't be sorry most of us would rather you search then start a new thread. As for which method to use, essentially they are the same except the "one click" does most of the dos commands for you. Both downgrade your rom and radio and use that as an exploit, to root and s-off the phone.
Now problems people run into, there still seems to be a problem with CWM and the one click. For this reason I will recommend the Hack Kit, its nothing against bubby but it is sad to see the same "cwm blank screen" thread resurrected everyday.
Essentially s-on is Security on meaning you cannot flash unsigned roms. Radio s-off essentially allows you to flash custom roms. To flash a stock rooted rom you will need s-off.
With both methods you will need a gold card.
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Awesome thanks for the explanation.
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[Q] Rooting for Newbies

I am getting my new Thunderbolt tonight. After some research, I have decided for some specific reasons I would like to root this phone. I have never rooted a phone before and would like some direction.
The first step as I understand it is to back up the original operating system. How is that done? After that what's next? What I need is the wifi hotspot feature unlocked. Is there a specific root to accomplish this? What's been proven the best so far?
If someone wants to email me personally on this, feel free. I need to do this, but can't afford to brick a brand new phone.
Thanks.

Rooting is just a way to gain complete control of your phone. There aren't different types and the best way to do it is in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996616.
Just follow those steps and you should be fine. You don't need to back up your entire operating system to root but you might want to back up your applications so you can easily reinstall them. After you follow the steps in that thread and are rooted just search for wireless tether in the market and it lets you tether for free.

You. said:
Rooting is just a way to gain complete control of your phone. There aren't different types and the best way to do it is in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=996616.
Just follow those steps and you should be fine. You don't need to back up your entire operating system to root but you might want to back up your applications so you can easily reinstall them. After you follow the steps in that thread and are rooted just search for wireless tether in the market and it lets you tether for free.
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I can second that. I literally just completed rooting my Thunderbolt that I received today. I followed the 10 step program from the thread (my wife thinks I need a 12 step program with my phone addiction ). It ran without a hitch just type (or cut and paste) exactly as written. I wanted to thank the OP in the development thread, but I need 10 posts so this is another one!

I believe what you've heard about backing up the original operating system is what you do right after you've rooted before you begin flashing custom roms and kernels which is the main reason you root in the first place. There is plenty of info but here's a little list.
1. Follow the rooting thread that You posted above me (Who's on first? What's on second?)
2. Install Rom Manager (RM).
3. Launch Rom manager and install clockwork recovery(first option on RM)
4. Second option on RM is boot into recovery.
5. Once in recovery go into Backup /Restor
6. Choose Backup - This is called a Nandroid Backup and is a snapshot of your phone in it's current state. It saves the backup onto the phone under /clockworkmod/backup place a copy of the backup on your computer for safe keeping and leave the copy on your phone in case of worries.
That should get you started.

Those are the steps I took to root.
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Another option is the easyroot method:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1005292
I just rooted my thunderbolt last night using the easyroot method and didn't run into any major issues. Had to rerun a couple steps, but nothing more than that.
I'm now running BAMF-Remix 1.5 with the radio upate and status bar clock removed.
I literally had zero experience in regards to this and am still confused by some of the terminology, so if I can do it, I have no doubt you should be able to accomplish rooting your phone!
Good luck!

I would suggest using the procedure that jcase posted. It is simple, easy, and you will gain some valuable knowledge of adb which could be useful to you in the future. The process is simple, just copy and paste the commands. The adb knowledge will definitely help you down the road, even though it is minor. Also any problems can be traced to a step. With a one click process it is tough to determine where an issue went wrong.
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jmiller98 said:
I would suggest using the procedure that jcase posted. It is simple, easy, and you will gain some valuable knowledge of adb which could be useful to you in the future. The process is simple, just copy and paste the commands. The adb knowledge will definitely help you down the road, even though it is minor. Also any problems can be traced to a step. With a one click process it is tough to determine where an issue went wrong.
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Easier said than done coming from someone who has been around for a while. I couldn't even figure out how to get adb installed... I installed the Android SDK and had to install the Java SDK but I was still clueless how to actually get adb going... I downloaded the ADB+Drivers for 64bit which had the adb.exe but obviously this can't be ran standalone. So being a complete ignorant fool, is the reason I ended up opting for the easyroot method. That being said, I did intially try for the manual method lol.

I knew nothing about rooting and followed the steps after not being able to do the quick root. AND learned a lot about adb. Good Luck

Your no fool. Alot of the adb setup videos and tutorials are old. It change the execute file from the "tools" directory to "platform-tools" directory. That did stump me since i had to reset up adb on a new computer. I have not been around that long, just did alot of reading, and came from the incredible forum where i turned into a flash junkie with alot of help.
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after you are done rooting deffinately flash clockworkmod recovery and flash a custom rom. I trouble getting root to stay without a custom rom.

In rom manager it gives me an option to flash cwm. What does it do when I flash clockwork recovery?
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Rooting my TB was a pain but it was well worth it. Hopefully there is a faster, easier method now.
Battery life on my rooted TB with leankernel is comparable to what my battery was on my Droid x, if not better

If you're having problems with getting started, you can check out this link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=502010
Breaks it down and walks you through setting up ADB. Had I found this prior to doing the easyroot method, I'd have gone through the manual way as well.
Just got ADB installed and gonna start tinkering around with the manual way of things.
Good luck.

[Q] Stock Rooted 4.1.2 rom

Is there a purely stock, rooted, fully functional rom for the Relay out there? I know how to use ADB and prefer doing so as opposed to odin and other methods. Not interested in CWM either. I just need root[for firewall and backup utility reasons] and will debloat manually after installation.

The only method to root the Relay is by using a custom Recovery of some form and ODIN or heimdal. We can not use adb to flash a Relay, it does not have fastboot. ODIN or heimdall are used to flash a Samsung device.

I made a stock rooted, debloated rom. On the Relay, I think you will want to use heimdall (or Odin) to flash CWM. From there, you can root the stock rom or flash custom roms.
The other option would be finding a root exploit.

Magamo said:
The only method to root the Relay is by using a custom Recovery of some form and ODIN or heimdal. We can not use adb to flash a Relay, it does not have fastboot. ODIN or heimdall are used to flash a Samsung device.
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Magamo, You are VERY wrong. I have used ADB to flash my relay from the original T-699UVLH1 to the rooted version. So using a "custom recovery" is most definately not the only way to do it. Perhaps you lack the knowledge to properly use ADB. And I just re-verified, The Relay does indeed have "fastboot". Your post was wrong on so many levels...

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I made a stock rooted, debloated rom. On the Relay, I think you will want to use heimdall (or Odin) to flash CWM. From there, you can root the stock rom or flash custom roms.
The other option would be finding a root exploit.
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Ya, not interested in heimdall, odin and CWM methods. Just looking for a purely stock rom with stock recovery, both in the rooted state.

Well if you can root via adb, then just flash back to 4.1.2 and root it.

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Magamo, You are VERY wrong. I have used ADB to flash my relay from the original T-699UVLH1 to the rooted version. So using a "custom recovery" is most definately not the only way to do it. Perhaps you lack the knowledge to properly use ADB. And I just re-verified, The Relay does indeed have "fastboot". Your post was wrong on so many levels...
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I'm not really certain what you are trying to prove here. If you have a better way, then post your steps so that we all might learn from your awesome knowledge, oh great one. Meanwhile, I'll stick to doing things the proven way for our phone that doesn't involve things that have been unproven, and risky. More than likely, the only way you'll be able to root the relay using ADB only, is by having a modified kernel installed, which... Means you will have had to have rooted the phone already. So you're talking yourself into a catch 22 already. But please, post your process. I'd love to verify the veracity of this.

@lexluthermiester
I'm actually curious on this, I bought a relay months ago but was too busy to play with it much. I can't think of any way to root it solely with adb, are you attempting to push psneuter or some other program to root this way? I guess I just don't see it happening, but please tell as I'm a curious learner
Also how did you re-verify the relay has fastboot? I only know a handful of Samsung devices that have a bootloader capable of using fastboot and am shocked to know this phone does, can you please tell me how you were able to do this?
And for the record I'm not trying to instigate you I just don't see how anything you are saying works, maybe the kernel allows for a simple push of busybox and then you can push superuser into /system/apps after you mount it writeable, I don't see how but would really like to see this method, but mostly I would like to know how to use fastboot on this phone as it would open more possibilities. Did you need to flash a new bootloader to get it to work? If so where did you get it?
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demkantor said:
@lexluthermiester
I'm actually curious on this, I bought a relay months ago but was too busy to play with it much. I can't think of any way to root it solely with adb, are you attempting to push psneuter or some other program to root this way? I guess I just don't see it happening, but please tell as I'm a curious learner
Also how did you re-verify the relay has fastboot? I only know a handful of Samsung devices that have a bootloader capable of using fastboot and am shocked to know this phone does, can you please tell me how you were able to do this?
And for the record I'm not trying to instigate you I just don't see how anything you are saying works, maybe the kernel allows for a simple push of busybox and then you can push superuser into /system/apps after you mount it writeable, I don't see how but would really like to see this method, but mostly I would like to know how to use fastboot on this phone as it would open more possibilities. Did you need to flash a new bootloader to get it to work? If so where did you get it?
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I first learned how to root on my old LG C800[My Touch Q] here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1752704
I ultimately decided that I didn't like the CWM parts and looked for a way to just push the ROM and recovery to the C800. Then looked up a tutorial on how to use ADB properly[can't remember were that was] because of problems with the C800 recovery and discovered in said process, that MOST[dare I say all?] Android phones have a fastboot mode as it is part of the recovery runtime mode. This includes Samsung devices. After finally successfully installing a rooted stock recovery on the C800 I discovered the problem I was having with it was not something I could fix as it was software problem on LG's side[headphone volume issue]. Got rid of it and bought a Relay.
After finding a few different methods rooting the Relay, I decided to use the ADB method I already knew would work. I downloaded a stock rooted ROM[UVLH1, found here on XDA] and painlessly installed it using more or less same methods and procedures that were used on the C800. Installing the recovery was equally as painless. I have had zero problems with the Relay and love it. Have been curious about the update to JB though and have been looking for the aforementioned purely stock rooted ROM. Thing is I like and use a few of T-mobile's preinstalled apps so a debloated ROM is useless to me. I know which software to remove[CarrierIQ for a start] and which to freeze and prefer to do so on my own. So Gee One's rooted ROM doesn't have what's needed. I can fully value and appreciate his work though.
To answer one of your questions directly, I did not use a new bootloader. While CWM is a very handy tool, I don't ROM switch enough and haven't changed the ROM on this Relay since getting the rooted UVLH1 on it.
As for the "instigate" remark, I think the word you likely were looking for is "provoke". You are asking honest questions presented in a lucid and civilized fashion. My response to "Magamo" was invoked because he/she/it came off as a complete dolt and posting woefully inaccurate information, which not only does a dis-service to anyone reading this post, but makes himself look like a monkey diddling football.

Magamo said:
I'm not really certain what you are trying to prove here. If you have a better way, then post your steps so that we all might learn from your awesome knowledge, oh great one. Meanwhile, I'll stick to doing things the proven way for our phone that doesn't involve things that have been unproven, and risky. More than likely, the only way you'll be able to root the relay using ADB only, is by having a modified kernel installed, which... Means you will have had to have rooted the phone already. So you're talking yourself into a catch 22 already. But please, post your process. I'd love to verify the veracity of this.
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Not trying prove anything. And it's not MY "awesome knowledge". ADB was created by, let's think.... OH ya - Google, for use on and for the Android platform. As for your proven/unproven comments, can you be any more misinformed? I've rooted 2 of my own personal phones and dozens of others for family, friends and coworkers, all using ADB. Hmmm.... Your above statement only proves you don't understand or know how to use ADB properly[if at all]. Here's a great idea for you, read a tutorial about how to use ADB and verify it yourself.
And FYI, I did read your message before you edited it, and if this is the kind of help you have to offer on regular basis, kindly DON'T in future. You have my sincerest thanks!

gee one said:
Well if you can root via adb, then just flash back to 4.1.2 and root it.
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I simply used ADB to flash a pre-rooted ROM[UVLH1] to the Relay. I'm currently on 4.0.4 and would like to try 4.1.2, but need a few things you seem to have removed from the ROM you posted. If you happened to have a stock + rooted ROM, could you post it? And if you do would you all like me to post a step by step for installing it using ADB?

There is a stock mc5 rom that has all the stuff that I took out. You could use that to add back in the pieces that I took out of my version. I think you might need simg2img to convert the stock system to an ext4 img file that can be loop mounted,
I think the http://samsung-updates.com/ site should have the JB rom.

@lexluthermiester
I'm not seeing where this hostility toward Magamo is coming from, I'm sure he knows how to use adb as he appears to be on team apex who devs for this phone. But I still am not sure how you were able to root your relay just with adb, I guess I just wasn't able to find the method you used looking through the mytouch q thread. Again not trying to instigate or rather provoke you but could you lay it out for me, just not wrapping my head around this
And also I only know of three or so Samsung devices with fastboot capabilities, all of which are nexus devices, can you explain how to get into fastboot, this would be super cool to me, as for answering your question on stock jellybean ROM can you not just update your phone via ota or did your root method break this, thanks
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gee one said:
There is a stock mc5 rom that has all the stuff that I took out. You could use that to add back in the pieces that I took out of my version. I think you might need simg2img to convert the stock system to an ext4 img file that can be loop mounted,
I think the http://samsung-updates.com/ site should have the JB rom.
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I've posted a stock MC5 Image that's been run through simg2img on the Stock ROM thread. It's in update.zip form, it also contains a boot.img simply unzip that, and there you go. I've also posted a stock recovery in the same post.
And lexluther, you still haven't posted the steps you took. I'm still quite interested in verifying the veracity of this, considering that the stock image and kernel has adb root access disabled, so how did you enable fastboot, especially since as we all on TeamApexQ who have disassembled both the software and hardware of the relay never found a way to, hence my posts. Instead of being insulting, confrontational and provocative with me, how about you just be rational and helpful, hmmm? Saying you did it on a completely different phone by a different manufacturer is ... less than helpful.

@lexluthermiester
I know you confirmed once and then reconfirmed but I'm still not seeing any fastboot option for this phone, maybe you could help me out on this
And I feel I'm well versed in adb but I still can't find a wat to root this phone without a custom kernel or recovery, I would really like to know how. Are you sure you can't just write out these steps quick for me, thanks again
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demkantor said:
@lexluthermiester
I know you confirmed once and then reconfirmed but I'm still not seeing any fastboot option for this phone, maybe you could help me out on this
And I feel I'm well versed in adb but I still can't find a wat to root this phone without a custom kernel or recovery, I would really like to know how. Are you sure you can't just write out these steps quick for me, thanks again
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Sorry mate, I would have if I'd ever seen this message. Sadly I don't have the Relay anymore, battery popped and killed the phone with it. If memory serves you needed to have a stock rom[before the update] and then pushed the rooted rom to it through adb, then letting it update itself that way, but I'm not sure as it's been so long.

demkantor said:
@lexluthermiester
I know you confirmed once and then reconfirmed but I'm still not seeing any fastboot option for this phone, maybe you could help me out on this
And I feel I'm well versed in adb but I still can't find a wat to root this phone without a custom kernel or recovery, I would really like to know how. Are you sure you can't just write out these steps quick for me, thanks again
Sent from my Nexus 4 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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You may also wish to check out this thread;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2256821

demkantor said:
@lexluthermiester
I know you confirmed once and then reconfirmed but I'm still not seeing any fastboot option for this phone, maybe you could help me out on this
And I feel I'm well versed in adb but I still can't find a wat to root this phone without a custom kernel or recovery, I would really like to know how. Are you sure you can't just write out these steps quick for me, thanks again
Sent from my Nexus 4 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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And/Or this one;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2528752

[Q] Backing up my data?

I'm so extremely new to this forum (and any forum, for that matter) that I just have an overload of questions. I've taken the time to read some stickies for noobs and that you should always read and search before posting but I am impatient (I tried and failed).
I recently got a gorgeous, red htc one m8 from Verizon. This phone is bomb, and a total step up from my previous galaxy s3, but now I really want to root for the first time and see where it can take me.
I'd like to backup my phone before following the instructions to root, and the resources I've gotten don't seem promising and I was really just wanting to know what would be best to save EVERYTHING from multimedia to my somewhat custom settings. (?)
Please don't hate me. I'm so new. If I ever get to the point of rooting this thing are there any personal recommendations on where to begin after I've rooted (or threads that already have that stuff)?

The rooting process (including soff) wipes no data. After you get root, you can install an app like titani backup or helium backup to backup individual data. You also want to do a nandroid backup in recovery the second you install a custom recovery, so you have a cushion to fall in in a bad situation

wtoj34 said:
The rooting process (including soff) wipes no data. After you get root, you can install an app like titani backup or helium backup to backup individual data. You also want to do a nandroid backup in recovery the second you install a custom recovery, so you have a cushion to fall in in a bad situation
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Thank you!
Now I've just got to google nandroid backup and custom recovery. These are honestly my baby steps with this, should I even root without knowing all this stuff or will it just get easier?

letsmoshjosh said:
Now I've just got to google nandroid backup and custom recovery. These are honestly my baby steps with this, should I even root without knowing all this stuff or will it just get easier?
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I would say you need to read read read. The s-off procedures for either firewater our sunshine are damn near idiot proof so there's little to no risk of damaging things there. However, once you have the ability to flash things in a custom recovery the risk goes way up. As long as you're not flashing unverified experimental files or accidentally flashing files for a different model then today's recoveries make it pretty easy. Also, make a nandroid before you change just about anything through recovery. Happy flashing.

cntryby429 said:
I would say you need to read read read. The s-off procedures for either firewater our sunshine are damn near idiot proof so there's little to no risk of damaging things there. However, once you have the ability to flash things in a custom recovery the risk goes way up. As long as you're not flashing unverified experimental files or accidentally flashing files for a different model then today's recoveries make it pretty easy. Also, make a nandroid before you change just about anything through recovery. Happy flashing.
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All of the above are true. Please revisit the thread if you have any issues setting up ADB on your machine before you attempt firewater (S-OFF). The big thing for me was making sure I got everything installed properly before I flashed. Once you do the root process be it Samsung, HTC, et al... you will find it is remarkably easy.
If you're looking for a custom ROM, be sure to stick to the Verizon HTC One M8 forums only unless you're directed there by a thread. Before you flash anything at all, just make sure you're solid on the process. Many times, there are awesome people who take the time to make a video about the process from start to end. Those will probably enormously useful for you on your first foray.
Again, ask around and read up! As cntryby429 said, read as much as you possibly can. The truth is, the devs do far more work than we could ever imagine as far as root goes.
Cheers!

letsmoshjosh said:
I'm so extremely new to this forum (and any forum, for that matter) that I just have an overload of questions. I've taken the time to read some stickies for noobs and that you should always read and search before posting but I am impatient (I tried and failed).
I recently got a gorgeous, red htc one m8 from Verizon. This phone is bomb, and a total step up from my previous galaxy s3, but now I really want to root for the first time and see where it can take me.
I'd like to backup my phone before following the instructions to root, and the resources I've gotten don't seem promising and I was really just wanting to know what would be best to save EVERYTHING from multimedia to my somewhat custom settings. (?)
Please don't hate me. I'm so new. If I ever get to the point of rooting this thing are there any personal recommendations on where to begin after I've rooted (or threads that already have that stuff)?
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I've been where you are! It's a little daunting finding all the information and getting it sorted.
You will have to do your own reading and do lot of it, but here's a little summary to get you pointed in the right direction.
The only known root method for the M8 is WEAKSAUCE. It provides temp root, meaning you loose root with each reboot but the app will re-root the phone automatically about 30 sec after booting. Servicable but not very elegant.
Root with Weaksauce is a pre-requisite to everything below.
If you want permanent root and/or run a custom rom on this phone you have to S-off, unlock the bootloader and flash a custom recovery (in that order).
For S-off and bootloader unlock (accomplished at the same time) there are two methods:
FIREWATER: free, but does not work on all M8s. Try it - it'll either work or fail. Follow the instructions on the Firewater website to the letter
SUNSHINE: from the same devs that made Firewater, guaranteed to work on all M8s and it'll cost you $25. Well worth it in my opinion.
Once you have S-off and an unlocked bootloader you can install a custom recovery like TWRP or CWM (I recommend the former). Find instructions on the respective websites.
Once you have the custom recovery installed, you can
- flash SuperSU for permanent root
- make a nandroid (total system backup or image) of your stock rom or any rom you have currently installed
- flash a custom rom
This should get you started. Read everything three times, ask twice, flash once.
Edit: Could you do me a favor? Change the title of your thread to something like: Step-by-Step instructions for rooting/roming the M8?
It would make it easier to find for users in a similar situation.