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1x today has taught me how much I don’t care about 4G

Aside from being pissed by the 1x at the top of the screen I was able to do everything I wanted to do. Sent text messages all day on Google Talk and Skype, downloaded the Amazon free app of the day (business calendar) in about 40 seconds. Updated a few other apps in about a min., received and responded to multiple emails all day long, uploaded a pic to facebook with no problems, And made calls... All on 1x!
Well there is a much bigger difference between 1x and 3G than there is between 3G and 4G…. So why would I ever sacrifice battery life on this device for that difference?
Crazy!
Unless you are using your phone for internet access for your PC via tether… I think everyone is just wasting battery life for nothing.

Then you bought the wrong phone. Better luck next time.
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Dbagjones said:
Then you bought the wrong phone. Better luck next time.
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I did not buy the wrong phone at all!! I love the speed of the phone for running the apps. I love the screen, the 8MP cam, the great front facing cam. I bought this phone because it could run the Android OS very fast and smooth. Not at all for 4G.
Are you telling me you bought this phone just for the 4G???? If that’s the case I think I bought the phone for much better reasons than you did!

HawkStream said:
I did not buy the wrong phone at all!! I love the speed of the phone for running the apps. I love the screen, the 8MP cam, the great front facing cam. I bought this phone because it could run the Android OS very fast and smooth. Not at all for 4G.
Are you telling me you bought this phone just for the 4G???? If that’s the case I think I bought the phone for much better reasons than you did!
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Love How Stable and Hackable HTC Phones are. Good Size screen, More Ram for Multi Tasking, Front Camera, Kickstand. This thing is a Beast Overclocked. Im Not in a 4g City bit when I go out of town (Which I do Often) 4G Is just Icing on the Cake.

HawkStream said:
I did not buy the wrong phone at all!! I love the speed of the phone for running the apps. I love the screen, the 8MP cam, the great front facing cam. I bought this phone because it could run the Android OS very fast and smooth. Not at all for 4G.
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There are plenty of better phones out there as far as performance and features go. The Thunderbolt is an inefficient beast; in the class of smartphones, it's metaphorically similar to the 17" Desktop Replacement laptop. In other words, it's big, heavy, and very power-hungry, relative to other members of its device class.
If you had waited until the May or June launch of the Samsung phones with the Tegra 2 dual core SoC with Nvidia graphics, that thing will absolutely blow your socks off, and probably also ship with Android 2.3 or 2.4 if it's out by then. Why buy a phone still using the old PowerVR SGX core if you are crazy about graphics performance, when the SGX is just a few months away from being eclipsed by Tegra 2 phones?
HawkStream said:
Are you telling me you bought this phone just for the 4G???? If that’s the case I think I bought the phone for much better reasons than you did!
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It's the first LTE smartphone to market. Ever. Period. In the whole world. And you're telling me you bought it because it's fast? Pssh -- as far as the non-networked components go, it's basically no better than a Droid 2. It's the last model to use 2009-2010 era SoC, and the only reason it doesn't use something more cutting-edge is because the brand new chips are still being debugged and tested, and they needed a phone out in March.
The Thunderbolt has a separate radio chip for the CDMA/EvDO and the LTE. This is highly suboptimal from both a power standpoint and size/weight. Qualcomm says they can probably have chips available by early 2012 that offer both traditional CDMA, voice, and LTE in a single integrated circuit, which would also probably use smaller fabrication process technology for even less power consumption and weight. The Thunderbolt is a "hack" as far as smartphones are concerned; it's very unusual for any kind of phone to have two radios in it (even if it supports more than one radio protocol, they're usually supported together on a single chip). The phone was rushed, hence why they couldn't wait for Qualcomm to get their integrated LTE+CDMA chip together.
You can rip the Thunderbolt apart this way by looking under the hood and pointing out its many limitations and flaws. The only thing that stands out -- the only killer feature that sets this apart from the Droid 2 or any other 2010 Android-based 3G phone -- is the LTE. If not for the LTE, the Thunderbolt is just a power-hungry, heavy version of the Droid 2 (or Droid X, I guess, since it lacks a hardware keyboard too).
Since Verizon locks you in to a two year contract, you should really be planning ahead a bit unless you have $600 - $750 to sink on a retail smartphone. If you had waited for just a few more months to get the more killer "core specs" (CPU, GPU, RAM) on the phones coming out in the latter half of 2011, you would be getting the first round of the next generation of the CPU/GPU bump. And since that's what you seem to value (moreso than the bandwidth), that's probably what you should have waited for.
Now you're stuck with a phone (as am I) that will have significantly underpowered specs by the time the two year term is up -- it's entirely possible that new Android apps and games written in Q1 2013 (the last stretch of your 2 year term) will not run at all on your Thunderbolt, or lag so badly that they're unusable, because they are tuned to run on e.g. the Tegra 2 or later dual core platforms.
But I don't play games on my phone, so that doesn't matter to me. The LTE is why I value this phone so much and bought it, and since I don't exercise the CPU/GPU as highly as cellphone gamers, it probably won't matter a lick to me that in early 2013 I won't be able to play Angry Birds 3 on my Thunderbolt. I'll be satisfied that I got a full two years worth of fast LTE service, and that's what's important to me.
So just saying, if you don't care about the extra bandwidth, you made a fairly bad choice. The other aspects of the Thunderbolt are gonna be obsolete pretty quick because the non-network parts of the phone are built around a late 2009 platform, so unless you want to shell out retail when Tegra 2 phones hit, you might come to regret your purchase in about a year.
In comparison to graphics cards, it'd be like buying a Nvidia GTX 280 (supporting DirectX 10.1) a month before the Fermi cards hit the shelves (supporting DirectX 11).

Yeah guys, this was a 4G phone first and foremost. The screen, processor and ram are all average. Actually the screen is already outdated with QHD screens out. Not to mention the phone is a heavy beast with a tiny battery. Don't get me wrong I love the TB, It looks great and is fairly powerful, but the main reason I bought it was to have 4G. Now I can get rid of my cable modem. But to the point of the OP, when not tethering it actually works great with just 1x or 3G
If I didn't care about 4g I would have waited for a dual core, qhd device to come out. I wanted the Bionic which has all of the above, but they keep pushing it out amid massive development problems.

I cant download roms on the fly with Rom Manager, or update CM7-alpha while im out of the house on 1x.. thats really the only thing I saw

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It's the first LTE smartphone to market. Ever. Period. In the whole world.
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uhm...no. MetroPCS beat Verizon to the punch on that one.

HawkStream said:
Aside from being pissed by the 1x at the top of the screen I was able to do everything I wanted to do. Sent text messages all day on Google Talk and Skype, downloaded the Amazon free app of the day (business calendar) in about 40 seconds. Updated a few other apps in about a min., received and responded to multiple emails all day long, uploaded a pic to facebook with no problems, And made calls... All on 1x!
Well there is a much bigger difference between 1x and 3G than there is between 3G and 4G…. So why would I ever sacrifice battery life on this device for that difference?
Crazy!
Unless you are using your phone for internet access for your PC via tether… I think everyone is just wasting battery life for nothing.
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So sell your Thunderbolt, get a RAZR, it seems that should suit you fine. Plus then you don't have to worry about battery life.
Your post today has taught me how much I don't care about what you say.

1X for a day made me have the exact opposite realization. I live in a 4G area and I am getting so spoiled by the lighting fast speeds (sometimes faster than my home broadband connection). When I had 1X, I couldn't send MMS, browsing the web was painfully slow and it was generally all around a miserable experience.

Wasn't able to steam anything at all. No AudioGalaxy, YouTube, Hulu, other Flash content. Web browsing was ridiculously slow. Downloading and installing updates was painful.
I have missed my LTE. Sorry you don't use your phone to its full capacity but some people do. I'd rather my phone not be limited to the speed of the network. If you're cool with it, congrats.

drumz0rz said:
1X for a day made me have the exact opposite realization. I live in a 4G area and I am getting so spoiled by the lighting fast speeds (sometimes faster than my home broadband connection). When I had 1X, I couldn't send MMS, browsing the web was painfully slow and it was generally all around a miserable experience.
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So agreed! Even when I got it to go onto 3G I still was like "Ughhhhhh!" Yeah, 3G is decent, but 4G is incredible. If >10X faster doesn't make a difference to you, maybe this isn't the phone for you. I noticed the difference all day. Sure, it doesn't take that long to download an app on 3G, maybe 30 seconds to 2 minutes, but you can't tell me that waiting 2 minutes is the same experience as it happening virtually instantly. On my phone, I want things happening quickly. I wanna be able to get it out and get to what I wanted to do quickly so I'm not just standing there waiting on my phone on the sidewalk. I mean, come on, with 4G most things are practically instant -- 3G there's always some waiting. If waiting is something that's okay, maybe conventional ovens are just as good as microwaves and cable internet is just as good as fiber optic, etc.

HawkStream said:
Unless you are using your phone for internet access for your PC via tether… I think everyone is just wasting battery life for nothing.
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Can't tell; is this a troll thread?
Having a 4G thunderbolt without 4G connection was the least enjoyment i've ever got out of this phone.
I've literally been twitching from the withdrawal.
4G is a night and day difference from 3G, no questions asked.

I used Wifi at Home and Work, so I was unimpacted.
And to the one guy with the long story, true this is a 2009-2010 phone, and I ONLY bought it to lock myself into cheap 4G/LTE pricing before it gets out of control and data caps, etc...
...but unless gaming is your thing, the Thunderbolt will do 90-95% of everything you need for at least the next two years. Sure I was holding out for the Galaxy SII, and I will probably sell the TB and buy a Dual Core phone off contract with the money that I make, but that is not even an issue at this point because this phone does EVERYTHING I need.

Eddog4DROID said:
I used Wifi at Home and Work, so I was unimpacted.
And to the one guy with the long story, true this is a 2009-2010 phone, and I ONLY bought it to lock myself into cheap 4G/LTE pricing before it gets out of control and data caps, etc...
...but unless gaming is your thing, the Thunderbolt will do 90-95% of everything you need for at least the next two years. Sure I was holding out for the Galaxy SII, and I will probably sell the TB and buy a Dual Core phone off contract with the money that I make, but that is not even an issue at this point because this phone does EVERYTHING I need.
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I love my TB, i haven't even gotten to use 4G yet and i love it compared to my Eris. I think 3G is fast enough now that I have a phone that can handle using it lol. Also every Android phone will be obsolete after a year, this forum is proof that the hardware cannot keep up with the advancements in technology. I agree with you on selling my TB to get a phone with a Dual Core or a nicer video card but this phone gets me through the day and more using "Mobile Network" only when i need it because you don't need that sh!t on to text or call. Everyone that complains this thing is a heavy beast you are a retard imo, its a F'n phone its in your pocket and you don't feel it 95% of the day. When you hold a phone its usually for just over a minute maximum. If your holding off on the purchase of a phone because of weight you are a dumbass.

WOW at this thread lol espcially wow at the guy who said 1x was fine. I know personally I do tons of stuff that require the internet. Facebook/twitter/youtube/email/browsing. All that sucked on 1x it was like being on 56k I could only do one thing at a time and on top of that it did it slowly. Now my 4G is back I can surf the net pop over to facebook and twitter and still stream music/youtube with out missing a beat. 4G is serious

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It's the first LTE smartphone to market. Ever. Period. In the whole world.
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Nope...
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uhm...no. MetroPCS beat Verizon to the punch on that one.
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+1, this is exactly what I was thinking when I read that post.

Turns out that I did care. My home WiFi happened to crap out the day before. While I did what I could to fix it, it became a lower priority with this phone. D'oh!
As to the larger issue of why buy this phone, I will chime in. Until VZW recently turned on LTE where I live, I thought it was going to be at least a year out. I was wrong. I had planned on buying a Dinc 2, as I loved my Dinc, and it would hold me out until LTE was where I was, and by then i'd have a number of choices.
Why I bought the Tbolt 2 weeks ago: 4G locked in at this price for at least 2 years. Can't predict the future, but this matters to me. Next: developer support. I don't like Moto, and devs really do an amazing job with HTC phones. I worried that the Dinc 2 would get no (or less) love. The LG and Sammy phones may turn out to be great but they are not released yet, and who knows what kind of dev support there will be.
Lastly, the sooner I upgraded (I was sitting on an early upgrade for almost a year), the sooner I can upgrade to the next or next next gen phone.
Phone has a bug or two, but no regrets at all (already rooted), and as I said I had thought my rooted Dinc was awesome.

Get a droid incredible
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[Q] In The Market for AT&T Device

I've been without a phone for about 3 months now. My Curve 8320 was very dear to me, and I happened to buy it before a smartphone data plan was required on that device. The phone unfortunately will not hold a charge (I've tried multiple batteries) and only turns on--without the radio signal, mind you--when plugged in.
I have been frequenting engadget for weeks and weeks doing research on which smartphone should be my next. Do you have any opinions on which Android device is the best that AT&T has to offer? I've discounted the Inspire, I don't really want it, and the Atrix 4G looks pricey and I've heard bad things about MotoBlur. So far I've been looking at the Captivate, Infuse, and the ever so mysterious SGS2.
Which AT&T device should I choose, or will the Galaxy S2 be out soon enough to warrant a wait?
PS. I'll only be getting a 200MB data plan, but I'm on WiFi 90% of the time.

I use the Nexus One and with Gingerbread on it it runs very nice.

Unfortunately I have to get a subsidized phone on contract, or else I would have already gotten a phone.

If you can live without custom roms (and even that may be possible soon), I would highly recommend the Atrix. You can put an alternative launcher from the market on it and not have to deal with motoblur at all.
I'm using mine on a 200mb/month plan as well, without issues. As long as you dont do something stupid like stream video/audio over your data plan, you should be fine if your around wifi a lot.

So if I get an Atrix for $150 from Amazon that would probably be a more worthwhile investment than a Captivate or an Infuse? Also, would it be wise to wait until the 24th to see if the SGS2 is announced, or does the vast majority believe it'll be a Galaxy Tab announcement/something else?

I would second waiting till may 24th....
There is something even more juicy
HTC - Holiday
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I would second waiting till may 24th....
There is something even more juicy
HTC - Holiday
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Wow, that's one monster of a phone. Sense isn't my favorite, and the 4.5 inch screen is a bit too big (see: Infuse), but it looks really promising. I wish AT&T would cool it with the borderline tablet sized displays. 4-4.3 is a better size, imo.

I have a dell streak ( 5 inch screen ) and absolutely love the screen estate.
I am trying to move to another phone becoz the development is kind of stagnant but just cant find anything that would give me the same screen as streak.
5 inch screen does look big but with a few days of use , u wont want to leave it .
So i guess my next phone would be htc holiday but really wish many developers going for it .

Don't listen to drgopoos... Dell streak is WAY behind. It was late when it came out and it's a dinosaur now. Wait till the 24th to see if the SGSII is coming to AT&T. If it doesn't get the Atrix. Yeah, motoblur is not the best thing ever, but the hardware is worth it. Plus Motorola wants to open the bootloader for custom roms, and AT&T seems like they would give them the Go-Ahead to do so given their new "we love android" status.

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Don't listen to drgopoos... Dell streak is WAY behind. It was late when it came out and it's a dinosaur now. Wait till the 24th to see if the SGSII is coming to AT&T. If it doesn't get the Atrix. Yeah, motoblur is not the best thing ever, but the hardware is worth it. Plus Motorola wants to open the bootloader for custom roms, and AT&T seems like they would give them the Go-Ahead to do so given their new "we love android" status.
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I am trying to not listen to myself
That is why i am looking for something new

I'd agree, wait. Once the SGS II is on the market, read some reviews of it and if you can check one out in person (and the other phones mentioned as well for comparison purposes). Then make a decision.

Nexus S
Once I got over the subsidy "free free" thing and went with an unlocked Nexus S on ATT, things just "worked".
Took only a few seconds to pull the SIM from my old phone and shove it into the new. The i9020A instantly signed into the ATT network, also locked on to the 3G data just fine.
It's the size and shape of a regular phone, fits my hand, fits my pocket.
Sparse is a word I would use for the apps installed.. but thats a good thing.. the only apps on it now are the apps I want on it.. its clean.
I know its a dev phone, but "really" do all the other phones "add" anything to the reference? Most seem to remove, block, break, reduce and charge you extra for everything.. that's not what I'd call a bargain.
And I've yet to see a "full featured" phone app from one of the big three I actually wanted to "pay for" with the 2 year contract.

The Samsung event on 5/24/11 has been postponed..... An Atrix is slowly looking like my new phone. I may wait a week or so before I set a decision in stone though.

Anyone have anything to say about the Atrix before I buy one, root it, and pop GingerBlur on it? It's either that or wait for the white AT&T Nexus S if it is coming out any time soon. Seems like it would be the perfect time.

Wtf Is All This Run Around

I Finally Went To Return My G2x, I Paid In Cash that Way I Woudlnt Have Any Trouble With my refund And Now they telling Me That They're Gonna Send It To Me in a Check....WTF! i Paid $575 In cash...But All They Can Give me Back is $200 And The Rest In Check...What Should I Do... the 20th Is My Last Day... (I Really Want The Htc sensation).... Does That Check In The Mail Thing Sound Legit..?

Most places return large amounts in a check. Not unusual at all. Why does your entire question read like a book title?

Raise hell and demand your money. Are you going through a corporate store?
I would say, "fine. Send me the check. But while I'm waiting on the check I now don't have any more money to spend on another phone, So give me a Loaner Phone to use while money is sent".
That way you have a phone as collateral that you can keep and use until your money arrives.

Sounds LIke A Good Idea..But A Loaner Phone..They'll Probably Give Me Sum Old Nokia Flip phone... By The Way , Yes Its A Coporate Store, And Thats Exactly Why I Thought I Wasnt Gonna Have Any Run Arounds Or Issues..Just To Get My Money Back.. [REP]: We Dont Allow More Than $200, [ME]: But It Wasnt An Issue When More Than $200 were Going Into The Regester Right?, It Was Allowed THen Right?!? [REP]: I Dont know what to tell You Sir.. [ME]: -_-... So i guess my only option is gettin a check by mail..they said i should be recieving it Within 3 Business days... *sighs*

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Sounds LIke A Good Idea..But A Loaner Phone..They'll Probably Give Me Sum Old Nokia Flip phone... By The Way , Yes Its A Coporate Store, And Thats Exactly Why I Thought I Wasnt Gonna Have Any Run Arounds Or Issues..Just To Get My Money Back.. [REP]: We Dont Allow More Than $200, [ME]: But It Wasnt An Issue When More Than $200 were Going Into The Regester Right?, It Was Allowed THen Right?!? [REP]: I Dont know what to tell You Sir.. [ME]: -_-... So i guess my only option is gettin a check by mail..they said i should be recieving it Within 3 Business days... *sighs*
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Policy and procedure. Gotta love it.
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Pretty much all major retail stores do this. T-Mobile, Best Buy, Target, etc.
It's mainly so they don't have to open the tills in the morning with $1000 cash in each one just in case someone who is within their return period wants to return a large purchase.
Probably a security thing too...more of a paper trail when you return items back to the original card it was purchased on/check for cash purchase of over $200.
And yes, the loaner phones are basic models...otherwise T-Mobile would either have to take a large deposit (versus the $50 they take now), or they would never get their phones back. T-Mobile used to have Nokia e73s as loaner phones...they didn't last long.

Yes its legit. They did me the same way. Didn't take long for the check to come back. Also they charge a $10 restocking fee. I also think its bs because I don't keep money in the bank. Just say I only had that $529 that I spent. I would be SOL until the return check.

Update. My gf returned hers today & got cash back with no restocking fee. I guess its all about who you get & what store you go to.

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Update. My gf returned hers today & got cash back with no restocking fee. I guess its all about who you get & what store you go to.
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...and how big your tata's are.
Girls always get off easy. I don't think there is a restocking free. Plus I paid mine via CC so it should all just go back to my card. I wonder if you can return the phone, get your money back, then buy it again, if you would get another 30 days?
I'm sure they have rules to prevent this stuff. I can see an exchange starting at the original purchase date, but if you flat out return and repurchase it would be a different order.

So how much better is the sensation going to be?? i just picked up the g2x and you guys are making me regret it already lol

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So how much better is the sensation going to be?? i just picked up the g2x and you guys are making me regret it already lol
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It's not. It might have a more stable OS out of the gate but hardware wise...
Tegra 2 is faster then the new Snapdragon
Sensation has encrypted bootloader so no fun stuff
Sensation doesn't have HDMI out (edit: I guess it does with an adapter :yuck
LG G2x has better front facing camera
Sensation has a new higher res screen to accommodate the 16:9 format which I suspect won't play nicely with some apps. I hate 16:9 format on smaller phones. Check out the iPad 10" vs Xoom 10". The iPad looks like it has a much larger area because it is 4:3 vs 16:9 (long and skinny) Xoom. It makes the viewing area uncomfortable long ways and sideways, where the iPad can really work any angle. This is not a big issue but one none-the-less.
Also Sensation has the USB plug on the left side, which means it'll be a pain to charge while driving and will break most holders/desk mounts.
The IPS screen of the G2x should be better then the Super LCD of the Sensation regardless of the size (backlight leaks aside).
I dunno, too many negatives. I'll just wait until the software catches up to the hardware on my G2x.

^ thank you for the information, ill keep the g2x then, you make a lot of good points.
Glad to hear the screen wont be making that much of a difference, that's what i was worried about [the higher res for the sensation]
i can live without dual led

nah the screen won't be a big thriller. You can change your DPI and achieve a "higher resolution".
Default is "240" and I like a setting of "210". Some like "190" but things get too small for me. Some even go lower.
One thing I did find out is that the screen has rounded edges like our G2x that I love so much. And it does have an aluminum housing like the N1 I had. It'll be a great phone but nothing compared to the G2x once the bugs are worked out.
The big thing we're waiting on is the Gingerbread release for the GB kernel and baseband. 90% of the problems are from a whacky kernel. The problem with custom roms is they are based off Gingerbread but using a Froyo Kernel, which causes resets and weird issues like the battery sensor and display issues.

Ya Don't let the downers on this forum make you feel like you made a bad purchase. No phone is perfect at launch.. Updates will iron out the issues.

player911 said:
nah the screen won't be a big thriller. You can change your DPI and achieve a "higher resolution".
Default is "240" and I like a setting of "210". Some like "190" but things get too small for me. Some even go lower.
One thing I did find out is that the screen has rounded edges like our G2x that I love so much. And it does have an aluminum housing like the N1 I had. It'll be a great phone but nothing compared to the G2x once the bugs are worked out.
The big thing we're waiting on is the Gingerbread release for the GB kernel and baseband. 90% of the problems are from a whacky kernel. The problem with custom roms is they are based off Gingerbread but using a Froyo Kernel, which causes resets and weird issues like the battery sensor and display issues.
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How about the difference in ram between the phones?

player911 said:
It's not. It might have a more stable OS out of the gate but hardware wise...
Tegra 2 is faster then the new Snapdragon
Sensation has encrypted bootloader so no fun stuff
Sensation doesn't have HDMI out (edit: I guess it does with an adapter :yuck
LG G2x has better front facing camera
Sensation has a new higher res screen to accommodate the 16:9 format which I suspect won't play nicely with some apps. I hate 16:9 format on smaller phones. Check out the iPad 10" vs Xoom 10". The iPad looks like it has a much larger area because it is 4:3 vs 16:9 (long and skinny) Xoom. It makes the viewing area uncomfortable long ways and sideways, where the iPad can really work any angle. This is not a big issue but one none-the-less.
Also Sensation has the USB plug on the left side, which means it'll be a pain to charge while driving and will break most holders/desk mounts.
The IPS screen of the G2x should be better then the Super LCD of the Sensation regardless of the size (backlight leaks aside).
I dunno, too many negatives. I'll just wait until the software catches up to the hardware on my G2x.
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Your points aren't even facts tegra 2 faster in gpu department most likely. The processors works differently not even a comparisons. The micro usb and hdmi use the same slot no adapter. I have no idea where you got that information. This is not a xoom the 16:9 ratio is way different on a smaller device. If you look at reviews no one has a problem with the 16:9 ratio. As its still an hdpi device apps won't have a problem. A ffc won't make your video chat pictures any clearer it depends on mobile and internet connections. Most phones are in landscape mode for car docks and most docks. Super lcd and ips display are personal preference . Sensation bootloader is signed not encrypted. The same way that the thunderbolt and incredible s is. Both are good phones and bad in their own way.
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Your points aren't even facts tegra 2 faster in gpu department most likely. The processors works differently not even a comparisons. The micro usb and hdmi use the same slot no adapter. I have no idea where you got that information. This is not a xoom the 16:9 ratio is way different on a smaller device. If you look at reviews no one has a problem with the 16:9 ratio. As its still an hdpi device apps won't have a problem. A ffc won't make your video chat pictures any clearer it depends on mobile and internet connections. Most phones are in landscape mode for car docks and most docks. Super lcd and ips display are personal preference . Sensation bootloader is signed not encrypted. The same way that the thunderbolt and incredible s is. Both are good phones and bad in their own way.
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Niceeeeeeeeee

Killbynature said:
Your points aren't even facts tegra 2 faster in gpu department most likely. The processors works differently not even a comparisons. The micro usb and hdmi use the same slot no adapter. I have no idea where you got that information. This is not a xoom the 16:9 ratio is way different on a smaller device. If you look at reviews no one has a problem with the 16:9 ratio. As its still an hdpi device apps won't have a problem. A ffc won't make your video chat pictures any clearer it depends on mobile and internet connections. Most phones are in landscape mode for car docks and most docks. Super lcd and ips display are personal preference . Sensation bootloader is signed not encrypted. The same way that the thunderbolt and incredible s is. Both are good phones and bad in their own way.
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I've read lots of reviews on it and it said the HDMI out is via an attachment. microUSB and microHDMI aren't the same thing. The G2x has both ports and they aren't interchangeable. So either they use the same cable like you stated and they have special proprietary cables.
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"The HDMI output has been combined with the micro usb port to form one connection. This connection is called Mobile High Definition Link (MHL) and is expected to become the universal connection for multimedia on smartphones. The Samsung Galaxy S2 also utilizes MHL."
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So Yup Special Cables. 1 port though. I guess this will work with regular HDMI inputs on TV's that don't support MHL?
And I said the ratio wouldn't be much of an issue.
And everything I read about the Sensation pointed to an encrypted bootloader.
http://techie-buzz.com/mobile-news/htc-sensation-to-ship-with-an-encrypted-boot-loader.html
Here is the speed test of the HTC Pyramid aka Sensation getting bested by Tegra 2 in both productivity and gaming:
http://phandroid.com/2011/03/16/benchmark-shows-htc-pyramids-dual-core-snapdragon-cant-best-tegra-2/
"Smarbench 2011 shows a CPU and GPU that simply don’t hold up to the Tegra 2 chip found in the LG Optimus 2X and Motorola Atrix 4G"

player911 said:
I've read lots of reviews on it and it said the HDMI out is via an attachment. microUSB and microHDMI aren't the same thing. The G2x has both ports and they aren't interchangeable. So either they use the same cable like you stated and they have special proprietary cables.
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And I said the ratio wouldn't be much of an issue.
And everything I read about the Sensation pointed to an encrypted bootloader.
Here is the speed test of the HTC Pyramid aka Sensation getting bested by Tegra 2 in both productivity and gaming:
http://phandroid.com/2011/03/16/benchmark-shows-htc-pyramids-dual-core-snapdragon-cant-best-tegra-2/
"Smarbench 2011 shows a CPU and GPU that simply don’t hold up to the Tegra 2 chip found in the LG Optimus 2X and Motorola Atrix 4G"
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The tegra is still the gpu champ.
The g2x still has not been ran for quandrant and etc on gingerbread. However one person who seems to have the g2x running at 1.2 ghz reported quadrant scores in the 4000 + range.
So to get a fair analysis the g2x would need gb
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mr.orange303 said:
The tegra is still the gpu champ.
The g2x still has not been ran for quandrant and etc on gingerbread. However one person who seems to have the g2x running at 1.2 ghz reported quadrant scores in the 4000 + range.
So to get a fair analysis the g2x would need gb
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More accurately: A Gingerbread kernel
Damn the MHL HDMI cable is expensive too. $20! I paid $1.33 for my microHDMI. Plus it only charges the phone if the TV supports MHL (hint: which I don't think any do). So unless you bought a new TV you wouldn't benefit from it anyway.
THEN you'd be stuck without a way to charge the phone while using HDMI out. That SUCKS bad. I throw my G2x on a charger, and with HDMI out and I can watch movies and game for hours.
Big points in my book. Thanks for making me do more research on a phone I'm glad I didn't wait around for.

[Q] Is The Infuse Worth It?

So I have a Captivate and was thinking about upgrading to the Infuse. Is it worth getting? I know it has a better camera and a larger screen, but reviews say that the screen PPI is less than the Captivate and the processor isn't dual core. Just 200mhz faster. So I'm at a crossroads... Keep my Cappy or upgrade?

I personally think it is a great device. i can say one of the best i have own. People make such a big fuzz about screens i honestly done get it. it doenst have one of those cheap phone screens, so im set. i can read my text, videos look good. so im good. its a phone not a computer.
its good phone, it works and functions as it should. so im content. this is my first samsung phone. and im happy. its a great little big device

My first android and im in love. I would recommend the infuse. Unless if ur in the battle between the infuse and sgsII. I still love my infuse though.
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I'd say totally worth it, had a captivate running gingerbread and loved it but this blows it away, far better screen, camera(also front facing), gps rocks, love downloading movies from pirate bay straight from my phone and watching them on the big screen with an hdmi. It's really fast, great roms so far and it'll get gb roms really soon... I bought mine for 200 and right now it's only 50 at target! The only downside is the sgs2 will be released next month... Either way both are huge upgrades from the already awesome captivate!
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Im always streaming movies for free off of a website. Looks sooo great on this screen.
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I have the inspire and the infuse, and i really like the infuse better. Its a very snappy phone. The battery life is way better on the infuse, its lighter and the screen is better than the inspire. Now with that said, compared to the Craptivate which was my first android phone the infuse is 100 times better. I have a feeling when we get gingerbread its going to be a great device.
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I don't think it's worth it, the specs aren't all that different. (400mhz bump in clock speed, slightly better camera, slightly better screen). I'd wait till August for the S2 at the very least.
I mean, I do love my Infuse.. But let's be realistic.

re: Getting an Infuse is it worth it
TheJareBear said:
So I have a Captivate and was thinking about upgrading to the Infuse. Is it worth getting? I know it has a better camera and a larger screen, but reviews say that the screen PPI is less than the Captivate and the processor isn't dual core. Just 200mhz faster. So I'm at a crossroads... Keep my Cappy or upgrade?
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It all depends, if the main thing you do with the phone is talk and play a couple songs then its not worth it.
But if you do a lot of other stuff with the phone and have an extra $200 bucks to shell out like I did, you can buy a new or near new one on eBay for under $450 and you can sell your captivate for at least $225 if its in good shape and complete. So its not as if you were to shell out $450.
I sold my Captivate for $250 on eBay in less than 2 days about 3 weeks ago.
There is a big difference between Captivate and Infuse.
Since I take a lot of pictures the main thing which comes to mind is the fact that the Infuse has a LED flash, the flash is nothing like a professional strobe BUT without the LED flash, as I am certain you know by now that you can forget about taking decent pictures indoors or outdoors at night.
With the LED flash I get very decent pictures anywhere and anytime as long as the subject(s) is not much further than 7 feet or so from where I stand.
Plus the Infuse also has a front facing camera which is great for video chat using wifi and or 3G. Not to forget that the camera is much better being its 8Megapixels.
And yes the Infuse is not double the speed of the Captivate, but the 20% increase which it does have is nothing to sneeze at either. It is noticably faster. The speed difference is most noticable when playing action games and when you surf the web.
Perhaps 4G is in your future? if it is, the Infuse has that too.
Plus you can record and watch 720p videos then connect the phone to big screen tv using the mini hdmi adaptor which comes with the phone.
All in all its well worth the couple hundred bucks difference.
If you do plan to buy one, I would suggest you do it as soon as you can because the longer you wait the less money you will be able to sell the Captivate for on eBay or anywhere else.
I wanted to write about the big 4.5 inch SCREEN last, that in my mind is such a huge difference that if everything else was the same on both phones and the only difference was the screen size I would have still purchased the Infuse..
A half inch does not sound like much at all, but when you consider something so small to start with as a 4 inch screen and then you add a half inch to that, it makes the Infuse screen approx 20% larger.
Not only is the screen larger, but it uses a much newer Super Amoled Plus screen technology which really rivals the iPhone screen as far as resolution goes, its way better than the Captivate. Infuse is much better on the eyes for people who spend a lot of time using all the features of the phone.
Well thats about it........... That's my review and comparison between Captivate and the Infuse phones.
Good luck!

Infuse it is
Thank you guys for your opinions! Putting up the Cappy up for sale now. And if you know anyone who wants to buy one, well you know I'm selling!

TheJareBear said:
Thank you guys for your opinions! Putting up the Cappy up for sale now. And if you know anyone who wants to buy one, well you know I'm selling!
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Go to target ($50 with upgrade) if there sold out take the ad or pull it up online and go to bestbuy. Show them they will price match.

Carlrobling said:
Go to target ($50 with upgrade) if there sold out take the ad or pull it up online and go to bestbuy. Show them they will price match.
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Best Buy will not price match. I tried yesterday

Walmart price matches. If they say that they can't, then they are lying or don't know anything.
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I also upgraded from the Cappy, And I'm completely lovin' the Infuse. Even tho the SGSII is releasing, I'm probably gonna stick to this bad boy. (Maybe). But still Cappy or Infuse both are great phones, Infuse just knocks the captivate out with more upgraded features. Its like BumbleBee in transformers, The old Camaro, the to the new camaro.

supercharged5 said:
Best Buy will not price match. I tried yesterday
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BestBuy definately matches. Just bought one a few hours ago. Had them price check on the web and even told them Target wasnt getting them until tomorrow. All depends on the rep. Manager signed off on the 50 Target price match no problem.

lstrike said:
BestBuy definately matches. Just bought one a few hours ago. Had them price check on the web and even told them Target wasnt getting them until tomorrow. All depends on the rep. Manager signed off on the 50 Target price match no problem.
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They price matched for me too. Go back get a different rep and adk for a.price match. Stop by target and pick up there ad. That should seal the deal.
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I have had or used several phones lately:
BlackBerry (Sets the Standard, but I don't see BB keeping up with the trend)
HTC Tilt 2 (The best speakers),
Moto Razor (Still going strong after 5 years) Wife loves it
Samsung Blackjack 3 (wore the paint off the keyboard)
Moto Atrix (Fast phone and very nice)
HTC Inspire (just keeps getting better)
Infuse (The best screen out there)
My favorite of all is the Infuse, except it doesn't make Chai Latte' with a dash of cinnamon and nutmeg.
There are hundreds of phones out there to choose from for hundreds of different needs, likes and dislikes.
There are a lot of critics over cell phones, but any of the top brands and top models are going to be just right for someone. Manufactures are cranking out new models faster than the first recharge. The Infuse I have is an engineering marvel. You just can't beat Samsung, HTC, Motorola, Palm, BB, LG, Nokia, Apple, etc.
I still have an old Qualcomm from around 1995. I keep it as a reminder of how far phones have come in just a few years.
The Infuse is a top-of-the-line SmartPhone. The only complaint I have about it is: No External LED notification lights.
The hottest phone I'm hearing about and reading about is the Samsung Galaxy S II 4G

tsuprajoker said:
I also upgraded from the Cappy, And I'm completely lovin' the Infuse. Even tho the SGSII is releasing, I'm probably gonna stick to this bad boy. (Maybe). But still Cappy or Infuse both are great phones, Infuse just knocks the captivate out with more upgraded features. Its like BumbleBee in transformers, The old Camaro, the to the new camaro.
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nothing wrong with the ol cappy, nor the infuse. hell verizon customers need to make a choice, tegra2 or lte. all the lte phones have single core 1ghz processors. all the dual core phones are 3g. they had to either drop or delay the bionic due to heat issues. instead they released a 3g droid x2 with the tegra chipset.
id rather have a nice thin samsung than all that stuff they have on verizon, and i can do without the sgs2 for now. ill get next years varient though im sure. i cant keep a phone for 2 years anymore. i have an obsession.

Dani897 said:
i cant keep a phone for 2 years anymore. i have an obsession.
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At least I know I'm not alone anymore
For some reason I always feel the need to upgrade my phone every 6mo or so. Right now have the iPhone so it makes it easier to stay with 1 phone for a full year. Android moves so quick that I'm always trying to find that perfect phone that does everything imaginable for me.

I sell mobile phones for a living and every time I unbox an Infuse and fire it up I'm blown away. I prefer Samsung phones, had the Vibrant and Nexus S. Currently I have a G2x and I couldn't be more disappointed. I'm so close to switching over to the Infuse....
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The Infuse is my first Android. I switched over from an iPhone 3G. And oh my goodness what an upgrade it was. I can never go back to an iPhone with it's baby-sized screen. The Infuse is one of my best purchases ever and I have not looked back since. I thought I could never live without my iPhone. Then came my Infuse and 2 days later, I sold my iPhone with no regrets at all. Go with the Infuse. It is amazing. And Netflix just released for it, making it even sweeter.

Thinking about upgrading to the Skyrocket

Hi,
I have a Samsung Captivate (running AT&T stock 2.3.5, unlocked) and am almost about to pull the trigger on the Skyrocket (late to the party.. I know). What am I getting into? I keep reading about ICS delays, unable to root, unlock etc. Is it worth it?
I thought about waiting for S3, but maybe not.
Go ahead, do your best, talk me out of the S2 Skyrocket..
Regards
Nick

Don't get the Skyrocket, your better off waiting for the S3 for sure, or the HTC One series, basically our phone, although a great one, sadly has little to nothing going for it anymore versus any new phones coming in the next few months, basically there's no point getting the Skyrocket anymore. Hope that helped.

wasabiman123 said:
Don't get the Skyrocket, your better off waiting for the S3 for sure, or the HTC One series, basically our phone, although a great one, sadly has little to nothing going for it anymore versus any new phones coming in the next few months, basically there's no point getting the Skyrocket anymore. Hope that helped.
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Which one specifically from HTC? I love the Samsung screens. Have noticed that the HTC screens looked "washed out" - is that still the case?

Well it depends what carrier you're on, no one knows for sure which phones from the One series are gonna land on what carrier, but ATT will probably get the higher end One X, while Sprint might get the One S. Also I think the new HTC phones use Super LCD 2, so might not be that bad, worse than AMOLED tech for sure but probably fine tbh. Also I think the new Sony Xperia phones are coming out too, those might now have the craziest specs but they're really nicely designed and are gonna have some of the better cameras to be on phones this year For those you'll want thr Xperia Ion, look it up it's a beautiful device ^^

I have had my Skyrocket for about a month and love it. I rooted it and removed a bunch of the AT&T and Samsung stuff, but it is otherwise stock.
I came from the Dell Streak/Venue family of phones. They worked very well but the Streak was too big (5 inch screen) for everyday use and the 4 inch screen of the Dell Venue was just too small. The 4.5 inch screen of the Skyrocket is just right for my needs.
The Skyrocket is very snappy and unless I have a heavy use day the battery lasts all days for me (12-14 hours). Today has been light use, almost none really, and the battery is at 73% after 13 hours. Most days I am in the 25-30% range after 18 hours.
I use Launcher Pro as my home launcher and am not big on widgets that update. I do not use twitter or facebook, but do have 3 push email accounts that I use K-9 for. My biggest non-phone uses are as an e-reader (Kindle, Nook) and as an mp3 player (usually wired directly to the vehicle radio*).
I use the GPS 4 or 5 times a week to check traffic with Google maps or look for alternate routes due to an accident. The gps locks fast and I have had zero issues with it.
Right now a refurbished Skyrocket is $20 with a new contract at the at&t web site. This is what I paid for mine.
* For the connection to the vehicle radio I use a Scosche cable. It includes a mic and makes the phone hands free.

what phone to wait for...
defriend said:
Hi,
I have a Samsung Captivate (running AT&T stock 2.3.5, unlocked) and am almost about to pull the trigger on the Skyrocket (late to the party.. I know). What am I getting into? I keep reading about ICS delays, unable to root, unlock etc. Is it worth it?
I thought about waiting for S3, but maybe not.
Go ahead, do your best, talk me out of the S2 Skyrocket..
Regards
Nick
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Good suggestions ideas and experiences already posted, I thought I'd share how my wife now enjoys her new Samsung Galaxy Note. It is HUGE. Too big for me to carry in my pocket so I'm stickin' with my skyrocket. She has a purse instead of a pocket, and her eyes are even worse than my own so a bigger screen was a no brainer. It's a nice phone, that note, it sure is. Nice big screen, seriously.
This skyrocket I use is pretty darn good, suits all my needs. I rooted it with no problem, and I flashed a version of cyanogenmod on it, and it's flawless. Cyanowiz it's called here in the forums for skyrocket. It eliminates all the AT&T carrier IQ, so I can turn on the wifi hotspot and let my friend at work use it, as his Sprint service and signal is sub-par, and it makes his iphone 4 go faster. Downside of showing off like that is it blows the lid off my tiered data plan.
(no ICS yet, heard it was buggy anyway)
I'm not sure how much better a device can get, I hear rumors of an Iphone 5 and mentioned by you is a S3? Cool! Perhaps hanging in there with the captivate a bit longer will yield an even faster more modern device.
I'll just say the difference between the skyrocket and the captivate is a dual core processor and yes it's faster, but if we're talkin' out of pocket expense as something to consider, it pays to stay a tad out of date and content with what you already have! If you're eligible for upgrade, you're also eligible to kick AT&T to the curb with no extra cost and consider other carriers. I'd talk to neighbors and friends about the performance of Verizon etc, instead of automatically just starting a new 2 year contract with AT&T, check all your options.
Hope that helps decide.

Get what you want...end of story
Don't worry to much about what others want or think. If you wait for the S3 which I admit will be awesome....how long till it is obsolete or "old" about 3 months. then everyone will want the "samsung/htc/??? Universe infinity blackhole 7" that is all the time you really have being the latest and greatest.
I love the skyrocket and I'm sure i'd love the S3 or note or any "current" phone. You get what you want, but hey if your buying I'll take a Note, not sure why though lol, XDA is a great place to look around and see the communities before you choose.

Skyrocket isn't worth it anymore, get the note.

Get a note
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I haven't personally held the note, but it looks huge! I would guess its not so good on battery, but that's just a guess.
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NexusMod 4.0
Romracer 0.3

Yes.. I am looking at $20 for the refurb. Hopefully refurb means somebody just returned it because it was too much power in their hands rather than beat the crap out of the phone and send it back...

Will probably stick to At&T due to GSM (I travel internationally once every few months). Will probably get the phone unlocked a few weeks after getting it.
Samsung Note feel too big.. is it?
Nick
fukenbiker said:
Good suggestions ideas and experiences already posted, I thought I'd share how my wife now enjoys her new Samsung Galaxy Note. It is HUGE. Too big for me to carry in my pocket so I'm stickin' with my skyrocket. She has a purse instead of a pocket, and her eyes are even worse than my own so a bigger screen was a no brainer. It's a nice phone, that note, it sure is. Nice big screen, seriously.
This skyrocket I use is pretty darn good, suits all my needs. I rooted it with no problem, and I flashed a version of cyanogenmod on it, and it's flawless. Cyanowiz it's called here in the forums for skyrocket. It eliminates all the AT&T carrier IQ, so I can turn on the wifi hotspot and let my friend at work use it, as his Sprint service and signal is sub-par, and it makes his iphone 4 go faster. Downside of showing off like that is it blows the lid off my tiered data plan.
(no ICS yet, heard it was buggy anyway)
I'm not sure how much better a device can get, I hear rumors of an Iphone 5 and mentioned by you is a S3? Cool! Perhaps hanging in there with the captivate a bit longer will yield an even faster more modern device.
I'll just say the difference between the skyrocket and the captivate is a dual core processor and yes it's faster, but if we're talkin' out of pocket expense as something to consider, it pays to stay a tad out of date and content with what you already have! If you're eligible for upgrade, you're also eligible to kick AT&T to the curb with no extra cost and consider other carriers. I'd talk to neighbors and friends about the performance of Verizon etc, instead of automatically just starting a new 2 year contract with AT&T, check all your options.
Hope that helps decide.
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March / April are the worst months for buying laptops, desktops and phones.
It's the end of the quarter and all the new stuff is about to come out and all the old stuff is already almost a year old.
Why do you want to pay regular price for old hardware? That's like buying a blackberry.
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