I don't know if anyone ever thought about making swap on cappy . I just feel a bit of shortage in ram, even I use talon big mem version still feel inadequate. What I am thinking is to make swap on external sdcard because it's faster, anyone can help me with it? Thanks in advance.
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are you talking about a memory swap file?
"make swap" isnt too descriptive.
SD cards under class 6 are slower than our "ram"
if you feel inadequate with a big mem version of talon, you have something wrong.
adding another process to constantly read/write and swap files would be THE LAST THING you would want to do with your phone....
Android is pretty efficient at managing memory .... and swap files are well, terrible when you have high speed storage (ssd's, nand,) and for the class on the sd cards it is misleading. A lot of cards have algorithms that help improve their read speeds, with SSD (or NAND) you want to see the random IO speeds for reads and writes (class speeds are for reads)
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I mean memory swap.
And I have a class 10 card(tested read 20M/s and write 18M/s).
Thanks for your answersI'll think about it either way.
Does the captivate even have quick enough i/o to support class 10? And either way, like mentioned before Android IS very efficient at managing memory, which shows in their design of activities (read: onResume(), onPause(), onCreate(), onDestroy()). If your foreground app requires more memory than the system can provide, lower activities on the stack will be told to pause or destroy until a later time to free up memory.
If your phone's performance is suffering, it's most likely a processing issue. Perhaps you have some nasty services running (this could also be reflected in poor battery life).
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I am looking to benchmark my G1 with several different builds to tweak the performance. I have checked the market and found Neocore and CaffeineMark. Does anyone know of any other benchmarks available or have any suggestions for benchmarking the G1? Thanks.
Their is a linux program I used called "stress". It can probably be easily ported to run on android.
A huge bump for this thread. I am wondering if anyone has done performance comparisons with apps and data moved to sd vs not sd. I understand the benefits of having more space on the phone, but can it actually improve the phones performance or just prevent it from running slow when the space is limited?
Also, anyone seen any class 6 micro sdhc cards that actually tell you the transfer speed other than minimum 6MB/sec write speed? I can find many micro sd cards that advertise the rating and speed, but no sdhc versions.
I'm getting this phone soon but just a couple questions.
Ive heard that the sensation has low available ram issues (probably sense?) but when/if a stock rom comes that should be fixed right?
Also since the avalible rom is pretty low. Would a class 10 micro sd be good for running data2sd (once we have root) were the whole data partion is on the sd.
is class 10 faster then the built in rom?
Having class10 won't make such a big difference (I purchased a class10 16Gb card and did not see any improvement compared to my class4) except that it will be faster to place big files (movies, etc) on the card
Concerning RAM, it's true that stock ROMs don't really manage it well, mainly because they start many apps in the background. Some can be killed, some will always come back after killed.
So once I've killed the useless apps after a fresh reboot, I can get a maximum of 350Mo free RAM, that tend to go to an average 250Mo after some hours of use.
Android 2.3 is not that bad in managing RAM (despite stock ROMs are) so I had low ram having a visible impact on something only once, when wanting to play Tekken 3 with Fpse and realized it was lagging because of low ram. My sensation was not laggy, only Fpse was, it demands much ressoruces! (I hadn't rebooted my Sensation for 3 days, that was the reason for low ram....now, I reboot it every 2 days, and no more problem)
So RAM is ok, if it gets kinda low, you won't notice it, and Android will tend to release ram afterwards, and once we'll have custom roms, it will be huge!
I am planning on making a 1GB external partition.
Now the question is: will it affect SD life? It is used very, very much, 100% of times...
Does it also affect battery life?
Thank you.
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I don't know about SD life, but it's unlikely it will affect it.
As for battery life, I haven't noticed any difference
QuantumFoam said:
I don't know about SD life, but it's unlikely it will affect it.
As for battery life, I haven't noticed any difference
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Well, I heard journalism in ext4 could affect SD life, but without it is there any danger?
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Don't think so. I've been using an ext partition since two years and my SD card is still perfect. In fact, it's better than it would normally be, since I don't remove it
SD cards have a limited lifetime, like SSDs have too. So every read and write cycle shortens their lifetime a bit. That's why it is said, that ext4 effects the lifetime of a SD card. I don't think this matters a lot though.
Swap is different there, I think this'll decrease your SDs lifetime a lot, since there are uncountable r/w-cycles.
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SD cards have a limited lifetime, like SSDs have too. So every read and write cycle shortens their lifetime a bit. That's why it is said, that ext4 effects the lifetime of a SD card. I don't think this matters a lot though.
Swap is different there, I think this'll decrease your SDs lifetime a lot, since there are uncountable r/w-cycles.
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Well, not planning to use swap, I have enough RAM, and that even slows Ubuntu in wubi, so just ext, will see...
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My Charge is routinely running 275 - 300 MB of RAM even when "idle" and I receive a LOT of warnings that my memory is running low when I'm using Tasker or Evernote. While I use Linux at home on my personal computer, I'm by no means a professional in any real sense of the word. But my layperson's understanding of RAM is that, generally speaking, more is better and allows for a machine to run, boot, etc... faster and more reliably. I've read that the Charge is a RAM wannabe and I know there are phones with much more than is available with this device but does that mean anything for this phone? Should I be using something that will clear more RAM for me or is that just a pipe dream and I have to deal with the lack of RAM by buying a new phone at some later time?
I'm using Tweaked 3.1 and have to say that Dwitheral has made this phone one I'm happy with - my fiancee has the Charge as well and is paranoid about rooting / ROMing, so she is totally stock. Needless to say, her phone sucks eggs and mine doesn't. I'm looking for a replacement but will not do so until Black Friday next year - then I can get a device that's a little "older" for less than $50 that will be a huge improvement over the Charge. In the meantime, with Tweaked 3.1, a Hyperion 3500 mha extended life battery and Tasker, this phone is serviceable. But the high RAM usage nags at me and I'm wondering if this is really an issue and, if so, is there anything to do about it? When I look at running applications in task manager, it is usually none or one, maybe, on occasion, two running applications.
Can someone clarify this for me? Do I need to be concerned and, if so, is there a solution that doesn't start with "Upon entering the Verizon store, ask where the new DNA is located...."
Thanks in advance!
Forget what you know about RAM in Windows, because this isn't Windows. In Linux (and by extension in Android), unused RAM is generally considered to be wasted. The Android low memory killer (LMK) will take care of killing apps and freeing when it needs to make space for other things, and artificially killing stuff is going to make your phone perform worse and use more battery. You need enough free for apps to have room to start without waiting, but not so much that it kills background apps that you want there. You can tweak the LMK, but 275-300MB used (75-100MB free) is pretty close to the sweet spot for this phone.
I guess it is from since of the tweaks I am running, but I usually have an extra 50-80 MB from what you described.
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Hello!
I'm using an i9000 with CM10 and Devil 1.9.5.
I'd like to say I'm completely BLOWN AWAY by how good this kernel works. I've tweaked it a little according to info I researched around and so far it performs flawlessly (three days into it).
The thing is, my phone has just gotten so good that I'm not sure if there's any significant improvement to be achieved over this. I've purchased a 16gb Class10 micro SD, and am looking into activating the swap function in Devil (currently using 50mb of zRam instead).
1) Is it worth (performance wise) doing? What kind of changes should I expect and to which kind of applications/usage? Is the battery consumption going to change?
2) Is it worth sacrificing the longevity of a micro SD card for the added performance? If so, how long should I expect to be able to use it before it fries from the constant R/W?
Thanks a lot, BIG UPS to DerTeufel1980 for the insane level of quality he's been able to achieve.
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Hello!
I'm using an i9000 with CM10 and Devil 1.9.5.
I'd like to say I'm completely BLOWN AWAY by how good this kernel works. I've tweaked it a little according to info I researched around and so far it performs flawlessly (three days into it).
The thing is, my phone has just gotten so good that I'm not sure if there's any significant improvement to be achieved over this. I've purchased a 16gb Class10 micro SD, and am looking into activating the swap function in Devil (currently using 50mb of zRam instead).
1) Is it worth (performance wise) doing? What kind of changes should I expect and to which kind of applications/usage? Is the battery consumption going to change?
2) Is it worth sacrificing the longevity of a micro SD card for the added performance? If so, how long should I expect to be able to use it before it fries from the constant R/W?
Thanks a lot, BIG UPS to DerTeufel1980 for the insane level of quality he's been able to achieve.
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bump... no takers?
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Is anybody using SD card swap in any form on their phones? I've already found out that there's no change to battery life, but all the other questions are still unanswered...
flipso said:
Is anybody using SD card swap in any form on their phones? I've already found out that there's no change to battery life, but all the other questions are still unanswered...
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