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First off let me say that if there is a better place to ask this please let me know!
I want to create a portable android device and I am having a little bit of a hard time understanding what I am looking for/need.
What I am trying to do is create a "wearable phone" per-say. Think of the "Fallout" game's PIP BOY... but for android... and be a phone too (really important for it be a phone).
The ideal thing I'm looking for is a android compatible board that has the ability to be flashed (CDMA) for phone service (Ideally Verizon/Cricket). I would like to not buy a phone and tear it apart and use it... I would have already done that if that's what I wanted to do.
I have seen things like Allgo boards and I have also seen things like BeagleBoard that is android compatible and it has a lot of nice ports like ethernet and usb.
I would like options like bluetooth, wifi, cmda, audio out, low power consumption. Kinda basic things for a phone. It also has to be relatively small.
Some things that would be nice but not needed are options like video out, high capacity storage options (usb flash, sdhc card, or solid state), etc. I would possibly look into dual booting into Linux or Windows CE but thats not nowhere near important right now.
As I said if there is a better place to ask this please let me know! Thank you for your time.
it's hard to find one part at a time. it's also more expensive. it's going to get harder when you build your android OS.
you need to have a team. a big one.
The BeagleBoard and AllGo boards already have android support and kits so that shouldnt be too hard to put together for the android side of things.
I figured the phone would be the hardest part. Is there a way to put the phone part into something like a android device/"mini tablet"?
good. you found the hardware. but as i said: find a team.
you need the hardware to interact with the software (and software to interact with the hardware) more like building an app in android SDK. by that you need a programmer, with experience of building a mobile OS (MIUI is based on android 2.3, they made it from scratch). then make a screen size and a chassis, which is hard because you want it like a large digital watch.
find help in this forum. there are alot of devs you know
Phone + strap + superglue = winning??
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hiu115 thank you for your input. what i would really like to know is if there are resources to make it... team or not. I CAN get a team and CAN program if i need to. I am just at a loss for the phone hardware. The android part (hardware/software) is "easy"... the phone additive is illuding. I need a prototype for proof of concept. A lot of my work is done for me it seems.
if i get nothing else out of this thread I would like to know if it is possible to add (for that matter find and buy as well) hardware for the phone part. I would like CDMA. At least tell me if you know what the part name I am looking for is... and where to find it if possible too.
conantroutman you dont get a thanks... funny though... but not helpful ... that IS kinda the point though. (EDIT meh you get a thanks too i guess)
Will be watching this, I once was thinking about doing it, would be awesome, also if you can get hardware to a similar device which is out it would be easier on the sift ware side
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Here are some examples:
linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/LiquidWare-DIY-Android-Modular-Gadget-Platform/
technexion.com/index.php/arm/ti-omap3530/inferno
(just put www in front)
Cheers I will just look
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Ah ha!!! I think I found a better way to ask and get the answer I'm looking for!
What makes a Android device a phone? (Don't say "that fact that it can make calls" I'm looking for the name of the part)
Is there a way to turn an Android device say either custom built or purchased tablet into a phone with like a 3g modem or similar. If so what is that thing I'm looking for!?!?!
I'm not sure if this is of anyhelp, but details of a Qualcom GSM/CDMA chipset
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=145
Ok... if you want to build a custom android device, the first thing you need is a template... Start with a development board.
The beagleboard is a great board to work with, however it's large and you won't be able to use it other then a tablet on its own....
The KIT-S5PC110 deb board is a good one
People recommend PandaBoard over BeagleBoard as they are basically the same specs but the PandaBoard is dual core.
Here's a link to ARM Dev boards http://www.armdesigner.com/products.html
I do believe that if I were to select a kit for development currently, based on what I've seen out there, I'd go with a originboard. http://www.origenboard.org/
Now, the other thing you will need is to learn some asian language Here in the USA, we are falling behind on mobile technology. You will find more Asian language forums then you will english
Once you have played with the OS a bit, and figured out the specs, you will have a custom circuit board made. Basically for board manufacture, you will simply eliminate all the features you do not want on the dev board to make it smaller. Then you make the board with the remaining hardware. You can probly talk to the Origen guys to get one made. They make their hardware as open as possible, so they will give the specs to the manufacturer of your choosing. This is where it gets costly.
After the board is created, you will build a custom housing for your box. You can prototype these housings on a 3d printer like RepRap or MakerBot... This requires precise CAD drawings. Or you can source it out to someone else.
Finally, build a box and slap a price tag on it.
It's usually a large effort to build a custom android device... However, check this article out from Hackaday.com today: http://hackaday.com/2011/10/10/how-to-build-a-23-android-tablet/
There have been a few fallout builds on hackaday in the past (I'm a daily reader).. http://hackaday.com/2011/09/06/fallout-brought-to-life-with-this-working-pip-boy-3000/
MacaronyMax: thanks that was informative i didnt knwo they could do that
AdamOutler: You seem to know what you are talking about. I do know some Japanese btw but what I really wanted to gain is can a phone module be added to call people from it. I would like to do this without needing internet like wifi connection. I would like to flash it and use a phone number to call people and recieve calls. CDMA would be preffered.
Most of the manufacturers keep cellular technologies locked down. That's the single bit of power they maintain. The rest of the board can be open source, but they lock down the cellular technologies.....
With that said, you can get a "CDMA Cellular Module" for just about any purpose and communicate with it via GPIO(power), UART(Data) and I2C(controls). That would be one way of going about it....
An easier method might be to grab a Samsung Captivate from Ebay, remove the housing and build around what's left. I say Captivate because they are around $200, decently fast, and they are rather slim.... Also, they can be modified to be UnBrickable and we've done alot of research and custom roms in the Captivate Development Forums... an i9000 may be even better, but it's got a larger case... Captivate and i9000 are basically the same phone and some of the most active development forums on the site.
Using a prebuilt device and remanufacturing the case would suit your requirements and possibly be easier I think.
Ok so what I have found are these things called "PCIe minicards" that can do cmda/gsm/gps/wifi and all that good stuff. Is this what your talking about?
If I found a board, that has the slot for it, will this be able to be used for voice calling over say Verizon/Cricket if I added it to my plan? If so would this be flashable with qpst/cdma ws or what would I use to program?
I also noticed some boards having what appears to be the same device (usualy wifi/gps ony) but it looks soldered on. Might replacing one of those for one with cdma capabilities work? (I think i saw this on a new pandaboard)
The reasons I dont want to use a pre-exiisting phone is because 1) I dont get to learn anything 2) I can't "upgrade" anything and 3)I don't want limitations set by manufacturer (ie. phone needing root, etc)... plus I kinda like the from-scratch look of things.
What is a better choice as a gaming phone and what are the big differences aside from the keyboard and camera?
Mytouch 4G slide it has a better processor and runs overall way more smooth
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Do you happen to know if you can map keyboard keys as actual buttons for an emulator? Ex.SNES
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Do you happen to know if you can map keyboard keys as actual buttons for an emulator? Ex.SNES
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Get the Slide, Its better all around and yes you can remap the keys once you s off and root. Go here http://revolutionary.io
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Excuse me for being a noob but what exactly is S-off? maybe a link will help and save you some time if you would like to help.
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Excuse me for being a noob but what exactly is S-off? maybe a link will help and save you some time if you would like to help.
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Go here for more info http://revolutionary.io
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Ill explain. S off is a short for secruity off. Htc devices have a secruity radio in them to prevent modification. Once this is off the phone is open to rooted apps kernals and custom roms
You want the slide for sure it has a dual core processor. I game a lot and have not had any lag issues ever.
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Don't forget the part where an ipod or zune video cable goes right from the headphone jack to red/white/yellow (rca) connections...the most universal way of plugging into a TV.
TV out is seamless and works phenominally well - I play many more video games now with this device since I plug into televisions everywhere I go and have huge picture.
Game emulators work fantastically well, and once you plug into a TV your device becomes the controller (and console woohoo).
Given the raw power of the hardware on this phone, and the TV out capability, welcome to the future of what gaming is going to be.
Part of the intention behind the snapdragon processor was to create a way of giving people video games on par with console quality and a market in their hand around the clock. The most lucrative business model from the game industry standpoint is the one that doesn't have them storing, shipping and managing lots of physical inventory and only being limited to a handful of hours a day that they can sell it.
Much better to have no inventory or warehouses, and a product that sells around the clock. The fact that the console/controller is also the market just makes impulse buys and sales increase, while giving the end user exactly what they want.
People defend their phone against mine and try to argue tit-for-tat specs right up until I plug into a TV and start playing starfox or symphony of the night (yep, from a phone).
If you don't get this device, since you've mentioned gaming as one of the primary purposes, you'll probably regret it.
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What is a better choice as a gaming phone and what are the big differences aside from the keyboard and camera?
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it's no doubt to choose slide.
better cpu and the smooth QWERTY
I'd go with the mt4gs because it has a better processor, screen, and other "updated" features from the mt4g. The gaming would be nicer because of the better processor, dual core, etc.
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Don't forget the part where an ipod or zune video cable goes right from the headphone jack to red/white/yellow (rca) connections...the most universal way of plugging into a TV.
TV out is seamless and works phenominally well - I play many more video games now with this device since I plug into televisions everywhere I go and have huge picture.
Game emulators work fantastically well, and once you plug into a TV your device becomes the controller (and console woohoo).
Given the raw power of the hardware on this phone, and the TV out capability, welcome to the future of what gaming is going to be.
Part of the intention behind the snapdragon processor was to create a way of giving people video games on par with console quality and a market in their hand around the clock. The most lucrative business model from the game industry standpoint is the one that doesn't have them storing, shipping and managing lots of physical inventory and only being limited to a handful of hours a day that they can sell it.
Much better to have no inventory or warehouses, and a product that sells around the clock. The fact that the console/controller is also the market just makes impulse buys and sales increase, while giving the end user exactly what they want.
People defend their phone against mine and try to argue tit-for-tat specs right up until I plug into a TV and start playing starfox or symphony of the night (yep, from a phone).
If you don't get this device, since you've mentioned gaming as one of the primary purposes, you'll probably regret it.
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How do you do this? Through the headphone jack?
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How do you do this? Through the headphone jack?
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Yep, you got it.
You won't find any official documentation on it (but if you do, please share!) - the TV-out capability is what finally sold me on the device. ( I wanted it anyway, but that was the clincher)
Couldn't be happier with any other piece of cellular technology then this device, and the TV thing really is just plug and play...i'll plug in to the TV in the middle of a game without lag and keep right on cruising.
I keep saying that this should have been the selling point for the phone, and yet...not a whisper about it from HTC.
yep, i've mapped the buttons into the snes emulator, using a keyboard is better than the screen for gameplay, but i wouldnt say it's easy to play games with it either way.
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yep, i've mapped the buttons into the snes emulator, using a keyboard is better than the screen for gameplay, but i wouldnt say it's easy to play games with it either way.
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I'm definitely thinking that the bluetooth controller is the final answer. I don't like the idea of passing around my phone as the controller to other people. It's fine for my use, but out and about other people want to play too...I don't like handing this device over to other people.
I keep having other things spring up in front of me that have to be handled first with this phone, but seeing what's up with the bluetooth controller issue is very close on my list. Sometime in the next week a person I work on android stuff with in my neighborhood is trying to bring his wii controllers over so we can sit down with our phones and tablets and make a day out of learning what we don't know.
Ultimately, i'd like to get a sixaxis controller working on the device - for all I know it works out of the box with the market app, but I wouldn't bet on it. I think I remember someone posting about it a few weeks ago - and looking into it briefly it seemed like a dead end without kernel source.
Now that we have it, a lot of postponed projects are being woken up in sequence, and having someone to sit down and bounce ideas off of with for a solid day or three is something i'm really looking forward to.
Because really, that's the answer. Walk up to the TV and plug into the audio/video, set the game up, and leave the phone by the TV and play from the couch with a bluetooth controller.
Just like in the old days, when you had to walk up to the system to change games and stuff.
Also, I refuse to play things like the original mortal kombat where i'm trained through and through to include excess pressure on the buttons. Since it's a much more delicate device then an old 8-bit controller...I know i'll break it.
Having a real controller would solve that problem and let me play some of the games on my emulator that are staring me in the face sitting here. All the games I grew up with...and no hardware to run it on. Then this phone comes along, and I can play my old console games on the TV again.
Love this website.
Gotta love how the makers of the phones and os's spend all this time tryin to lock people out from changing them and then there is this website where all these people know how to do almost anything to these new/old phone. I love you guys lol, this is by far the best website to be on to get info about your phone.
If it wasnt for all of you my tilt2 woulda been borin I meen more boring..
I have recently upgraded (lol) to a mytouch 4g slide and it is a very nice phone.
A whole new ballgame for me to figure out how to make it custom, should be fun
Don't worry you came the the right place. The sticky in general has information on everything you'll need to know or click my sig. Welcome to the mt4g slide
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...of the year 2015.
moderators: I'm very sorry (not really) for the sarcastic spam, but I've grown more and more unhappy with Samsung in regards to them keeping their promises. At this point, other than my P6210 tablet, I've sold every single one of my android devices that are controlled by samsung.
I still have a galaxy nexus, but thankfully the source for that is controlled by google - not samsung.
Q1 has come and gone. No ICS. Hell, they STILL won't release the source for the damn wifi driver! The same source that qualcomm (who owns atheros) released under the GPL, but samsung says that they (samsung) get to choose between GPL and BSD and they are choosing BSD. Why? What good does it do Samsung to NOT release the source? If Apple.. er.. samsung wants to treat their customers this way, I can take my future business elsewhere.
If I wanted a closed platform, I'd buy an iphone or ipad.
Gary
I agree
And I feel that with the increasingly number of similar tablets that Samsung puts in the market, the hopes for further updates are extremely low. Maybe we will have a first revision of ICS, but better it is good, because I don't think they will fix whatever is wrong.
I will agree with Gary in terms of how closed Samsung is making their "open" device. Though that is coming from a developer. From a consumer perspective having or not having ICS makes no difference to them. Unfortunately as our world becomes more tech illiterate the more these devices will become more and more locked down and cause stagnation in innovation.
Sorry to hear you leaving though you were a great help here.
I'm not leaving the p6210... its the only samsung device I'm keeping. However, until and unless Samsung gives me something more than incomplete and outdated source, there's nothing else for me to do. I can't fix the wifi bugs, because Apple..er..Samsung won't release the source.
If they ever get around to pushing out ICS (big "if" there) AND they release the source, I'll play with that. I might even find the time to just port AOSP (or even better - AOKP) over.
After using a galaxy nexus for a few days, I don't miss touchwiz at all.
Well that's good to hear... It sounded as if you were leaving us there. Though supposedly someone is making headway with wifi with the cm9 ics build. You might want to check in there.
What's with the driver? Does the GPL driver not support our cards, is it just missing the pci id? I'm new to this slate, so I don't have much exposure to the current issues like this.
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Even Huawei Springboard (my 2nd tablet) already received ICS, I also disappointed a bigger company like Samsung get update slower then Huawei
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What's with the driver? Does the GPL driver not support our cards, is it just missing the pci id? I'm new to this slate, so I don't have much exposure to the current issues like this.
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GPL is not a driver, GPL is a open source licence.
Yes, I know the difference between GPL & BSD (both are OSS licenses.) I was asking if the GPL version would work if it was updated with the p6210 WIFI PCI ID.
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What's with the driver? Does the GPL driver not support our cards, is it just missing the pci id? I'm new to this slate, so I don't have much exposure to the current issues like this.
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For doing an AOSP type implementation where 100% of the source is available, yes - it might.
For trying to do a kernel that would work with the rest of the samsung firmware, no - it won't. There are 3 parts that have to work together here: the actual driver (ar6003.ko in samsung's firmware), wpa_supplicant (which, on stock p6210 implementations has a ar6003 specific interface compiled in) and the rest of the firmware (settings page, etc.)
The "rest of the firmware" calls wpa_supplicant to do the dirty work of the wifi driver, and wpa_supplicant makes calls directly into the driver.
I'm sure I typed all this before, in another thread months ago, and went into great detail. The short version is this:
I need the source for the ar6003 driver and the source for wpa_supplicant (for the ar6003 interface.) Both of these are released in "GPL/BSD" dual licenses by their authors, meaning that samsung can, in theory, choose which license model to use when they include that code. Samsung has told me that they are claiming BSD for both and therefore will refuse to release the source to any modifications that might be included.
I've tried pulling in the generic ar600x code from mainline linux, but it wasn't working for me with the rest of the samsung stuff... and I simply don't have the time to mess with that for endless hours just because samsung is trying to be apple-like and make android a closed platform.
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For doing an AOSP type implementation where 100% of the source is available, yes - it might.
For trying to do a kernel that would work with the rest of the samsung firmware, no - it won't. There are 3 parts that have to work together here: the actual driver (ar6003.ko in samsung's firmware), wpa_supplicant (which, on stock p6210 implementations has a ar6003 specific interface compiled in) and the rest of the firmware (settings page, etc.)
The "rest of the firmware" calls wpa_supplicant to do the dirty work of the wifi driver, and wpa_supplicant makes calls directly into the driver.
I'm sure I typed all this before, in another thread months ago, and went into great detail. The short version is this:
I need the source for the ar6003 driver and the source for wpa_supplicant (for the ar6003 interface.) Both of these are released in "GPL/BSD" dual licenses by their authors, meaning that samsung can, in theory, choose which license model to use when they include that code. Samsung has told me that they are claiming BSD for both and therefore will refuse to release the source to any modifications that might be included.
I've tried pulling in the generic ar600x code from mainline linux, but it wasn't working for me with the rest of the samsung stuff... and I simply don't have the time to mess with that for endless hours just because samsung is trying to be apple-like and make android a closed platform.
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wpa_supplicant is what's probably killing you if it has been forked, more so than the driver itself. Makes perfect sense why it is such a pain.
Do you know of a thread somewhere that describes how to get started building kernels for these things? I'll play around with it, I don't have much experience with Android outside of some hacking with adb but I know my way around Linux as well as most.
I'll start poking around more, but thanks for the short version it is appreciated.
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I will agree with Gary in terms of how closed Samsung is making their "open" device. Though that is coming from a developer. From a consumer perspective having or not having ICS makes no difference to them. Unfortunately as our world becomes more tech illiterate the more these devices will become more and more locked down and cause stagnation in innovation.
Sorry to hear you leaving though you were a great help here.
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I disagree that consumers don't care. Call me naive that I didn't scour the internet deep enough to find good, honest feedback, but the only reason I chose the more expensive Samsung 7.0 was its IR blaster and its advertised ability to control the home theater components with it. That feature is bolded and blaster all over Samsungs feature list and descriptions.
So I get me GT7+ 2 months ago and how does it work? It doesn't do what I want. Peel, the only IR app available for the tablet force closes every time, and updates have proven fruitless. I email the developers of Peel and what do they tell me? They won't fix (or can't fix) the problem until they get updated ICS drivers for the SG7+. So for now I am **** out of luck until Samsung updates. I try to get a hold of Samsung tech support and get nowhere. The best I got was from a "Live Chat" bot that said ICS will be available in the future. No more specifics could be given.
And to add insult to injury, the screen on my Tab is fritzing out and needs to be sent back for service already. On paper the SG7+ looks great but for me it's been nothing but a hassle.
I want ICS so I can have everything work as advertised. It probably never will so I'll chalk this one up to experience and sell the POS.
Just remember that samsung never actually promised ICS for this device. There were "leaks" (completely unofficial) and "targets", but never any legally binding promises.
Why should samsung spend the money developing ICS for people who own a device when that device is ALREADY 6 months old? At the rate samsung is coming out with new devices, they need that money developing for newer devices.
In a sick kind of way, this makes sense to me. (Samsung seems to be forgetting, however, that I buy a new tablet every 6-12 months and my next one will NOT be a samsung device due to the experience I'm having with them over this one.)
What doesn't make sense to me is the way that they are withholding source code. It just doesn't profit them or even save them money. There isn't even anything proprietary in the ar6003 drivers and wpa_supplicant code. No trade secrets. It's almost as if they are deliberately chasing AWAY technical people... but that just doesn't make sense when your primary OS is an open one that depends on geeks.
The only thing I can figure out is that they are, in fact, hiding something. Perhaps they are embarassed about the programming? Perhaps they cut corners and don't want it to become public knowledge? Maybe they just have a nasty streak and are deliberately trying to prevent any repeat customers. I'm just taking wild guesses here - I honestly don't know.
The flip side to that is that you are aware of the fact ICS will have an impact to functionality on a current situation. Most people won't, as you put it, scour the internet to find the solution or future solution, to a problem and actually understand that an OS update will have a great impact on their experience with their current product. I had a discussion with someone the other day on this mindset and how it has been driving me nuts. (This person also considers them self an average user and not like most of us on this forum) You know that android 3.2 is on your your Tablet. YOU know what android 4.0 ICS is and how it impacts you. Most don't. That is what I was trying to conveying.
Though I am surprised that you are having issues with it on account I have had no problems with it (even though I haven't used it much).
P.S. Sorry about the irritated tone I do not mean any harm it's just a sore subject with me :/
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The flip side to that is that you are aware of the fact ICS will have an impact to functionality on a current situation. Most people won't, as you put it, scour the internet to find the solution or future solution, to a problem and actually understand that an OS update will have a great impact on their experience with their current product. I had a discussion with someone the other day on this mindset and how it has been driving me nuts. (This person also considers them self an average user and not like most of us on this forum) You know that android 3.2 is on your your Tablet. YOU know what android 4.0 ICS is and how it impacts you. Most don't. That is what I was trying to conveying.
Though I am surprised that you are having issues with it on account I have had no problems with it (even though I haven't used it much).
P.S. Sorry about the irritated tone I do not mean any harm it's just a sore subject with me :/
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The latest release od Peel finally has it working on such a basic level that's it is no more useful that the remoate that shipped with my television. It can tuen my TV on & off, it can change channels, and it can adjust the volume of the television. When I want to add another device such as a cable box or AV receiver? No go. It will power the device in setup but it will not save it to the application for future use. I blame buggy peel software. It can obviously fire the codes it needs but they're going to blame Samsung and say it's a driver issue. The only way I could believe that possible is if the radio frequencies vthe two devices used were too close together to be discerened by the GT7+. Regardless, it's a feature which does not work as it explicitly advertises and, as Gary points out multiple times, they refuse to release the source code so crafty & eager developers (which I am not) can make their own functional software.
Peel doesn't use RF... it fires the infrared emitter on the device. I actually played with the "peel" software once. For about 10 minutes. I found it a complete joke and froze the software. I never really cared much about that aspect of the tablet. To me, its for reading ebooks, playing games, and "tinkering." Okay, more for tinkering - but don't tell my wife that. She already yells at me about how expensive my toys are.
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Peel doesn't use RF... it fires the infrared emitter on the device. I actually played with the "peel" software once. For about 10 minutes. I found it a complete joke and froze the software. I never really cared much about that aspect of the tablet. To me, its for reading ebooks, playing games, and "tinkering." Okay, more for tinkering - but don't tell my wife that. She already yells at me about how expensive my toys are.
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I bought this Tab for the exact same reasons, I was actually going to get the Kindle Fire as all I really wanted was an e-reader, but the IR Blaster changed my mind. I set up Peel for my home theater and used it once than decided my universal remote for my dish actually works better and haven't used it since. I came in knowing from reading teh threads that Samsung wasn't the greatest at support or putting out updates but all I wanted really was the ability to root it to remove bloatware. IMO HTC devices are much better and easier to customize as HTC is more open about sharing the source code and also provide their own program to unlock their devices. But they at one time were as tight fisted as Samsung and getting updates out of them is still excruciatingly slow. Hopefully Verizon will be getting a One X device soon as I'm up for an upgrade in July and right now the best HTC device they have is the Rezound.
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The latest release od Peel finally has it working on such a basic level that's it is no more useful that the remoate that shipped with my television. It can tuen my TV on & off, it can change channels, and it can adjust the volume of the television. When I want to add another device such as a cable box or AV receiver? No go. It will power the device in setup but it will not save it to the application for future use. I blame buggy peel software. It can obviously fire the codes it needs but they're going to blame Samsung and say it's a driver issue. The only way I could believe that possible is if the radio frequencies vthe two devices used were too close together to be discerened by the GT7+. Regardless, it's a feature which does not work as it explicitly advertises and, as Gary points out multiple times, they refuse to release the source code so crafty & eager developers (which I am not) can make their own functional software.
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Why would Peel blame Samsung? From what you described, the hardware is working properly but the functionality to save multiple devices is missing in software.
I think this is what Zadeis is trying to get at with regards to expectations - Peel sounds like it's either broken or not designed to meet your expectations. Either way, it's not something that's going to be addressed by an ICS update.
I think you hit the nail on the head when you say that the GT7+ doesn't work as advertised. But the proper course of action here is to seek remedy with Samsung, not wait for a software update. When you get a bad meal at a restaurant, you send it back. You don't eat it, then hope dessert will be better.
Apologies if my tone comes off as harsh or unsympathetic, I do not intend to be either, but pinning too many hopes on to an OS update is just setting yourself up for more frustration down the road when it doesn't match your expectations.
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What doesn't make sense to me is the way that they are withholding source code. It just doesn't profit them or even save them money. There isn't even anything proprietary in the ar6003 drivers and wpa_supplicant code. No trade secrets. It's almost as if they are deliberately chasing AWAY technical people... but that just doesn't make sense when your primary OS is an open one that depends on geeks.
The only thing I can figure out is that they are, in fact, hiding something. Perhaps they are embarassed about the programming? Perhaps they cut corners and don't want it to become public knowledge? Maybe they just have a nasty streak and are deliberately trying to prevent any repeat customers. I'm just taking wild guesses here - I honestly don't know.
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I think you already answered this question in what you meant as a joke earlier... Apple.
Samsung makes Apple's SoCs. GT7+ uses Samsung's own Exynos SoC. I think chances are good that Exynos and the A5 share IP and therefore, Samsung might be withholding the source code because the modifications they've made include IP that is covered by whatever NDA exists between Apple and Samsung.
so what is the latest news on ics update for the 6210 ? , guessing samsung said no ics love for us ? , or .... just wondering what latest news is ..
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Samsung makes Apple's SoCs. GT7+ uses Samsung's own Exynos SoC. I think chances are good that Exynos and the A5 share IP and therefore, Samsung might be withholding the source code because the modifications they've made include IP that is covered by whatever NDA exists between Apple and Samsung.
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You are a bit confused, I think. The exynos isn't the problem. While samsung hasn't exactly given us full technical documents on it, they added support for it in the mainline linux kernel - publishing enough source. They pretty much HAD to do that, as CPU support in linux can't be done as a module, and therefore must be opensourced in order to run linux at all.
The issue, at least in the case of the 7+, is the wifi chip/driver. It's an atheros 6003 chip. Qualcomm (who owns atheros) released the driver for that under the GPL. Samsung has claimed to me that they (samsung) are licensing it from Atheros under terms that allow them to choose to re-release the driver under either GPL or BSD terms and that they (samsung) are choosing the BSD model (which doesn't require the release of source.) In theory, Qualcomm could FORCE samsung to release the source, but I doubt qualcomm really cares too much. In fact, the module itself as released in binary form in the 7+ firmware (at least up to LA1) actually claims GPL licensing. (Can be verified by using modinfo on ar6000.ko) However, only the copyright holder can enforce the licensing.
A nearly identical situation exists with wpa_supplicant and the intergration between ar6003 and wpa_supplicant. In that case, I know for a fact that the author allows either GPL or BSD terms so wouldn't force the issue.
Those are the only two things I, personally, care about right now. If I had the source for those two parts, I'd be able to not only FIX the wifi issues on the p6210, but also enchance the functionality. I'm also unable to make certain unrelated changes to the kernel, as doing so without being able to recompile the ar6003 driver will render the existing ar6003 non-functional.
Is it plausible for an average consumer to purchase all the necessary components and build an Android smartphone/tablet?
Quite a number of people build their own computer rigs now, and I was curious to know if the same could be done with phones.
Might be a silly question, but if anyone's done it I would love to hear about it :laugh:
TI processors are sold in sets of 10,000 last time I checked so in terms getting hardware it may be difficult to say the least.
I would love to do this myself but it just seems so expensive to get the hardware, I wish dell would do with phones what they did to computers.
Imagine if you could pick your cpu, ram, radio etc then choose your case.
Alas I wait for said company
So in short I don't think it's possible
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You can if you want. You will need to buy the specific hardware from the vendor and have very good electronic knowledge.
Then you can compile an Android rom for the specific hardware.
But my only doubt is whether the hardware company from which you buy the hardware will provide all necessary drivers and codecs(which are mostly closed source)
In short, it is possible but it is not worth the effort!
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Eeepc 701 + touchkit + android x86
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I think
parts of the device which will come from different country, assembling and developing rom for device will cost you more than actual device available in market plus your time wasted in waiting for parts, assembling/developing rom then testing your device on both hardware and software level
its better to buy device rather than doing all this..
Computer can be assembled easily because All the component required to build computer are easily available in our local market
For something sort of comparable, check out The Tricorder Project for an excellent example. Create your own Star Trek "tricorder" with various sensors and a touchscreen that runs on Linux for around $200 and some work putting it together.
mf2112 said:
For something sort of comparable, check out The Tricorder Project for an excellent example. Create your own Star Trek "tricorder" with various sensors and a touchscreen that runs on Linux for around $200 and some work putting it together.
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Awesome.
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I wanna put Jellybean on my LG Optimus me.
All I need is:
more RAM
more storage
better CPU
Where can I get these parts? Also, how can I "extend" my phone's screen physically?
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I wanna put Jellybean on my LG Optimus me.
All I need is:
more RAM
more storage
better CPU
Where can I get these parts? Also, how can I "extend" my phone's screen physically?
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Sadly your LG optimus has everything hardcoded and finalized in design of hardware. Thus means what you wish is not possible or rather not worth it. Sad, everyone is waiting for the day we can build our own gadgets..
jopring said:
Is it plausible for an average consumer to purchase all the necessary components and build an Android smartphone/tablet?
Quite a number of people build their own computer rigs now, and I was curious to know if the same could be done with phones.
Might be a silly question, but if anyone's done it I would love to hear about it :laugh:
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soon as this will be a reality.... search up project ARA and you will be blown off minds
its a project by Motorola and google LEGO style phone with pick and stick hardware components
even a child will be able to fabricate new smartphone everyday
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Sadly your LG optimus has everything hardcoded and finalized in design of hardware. Thus means what you wish is not possible or rather not worth it. Sad, everyone is waiting for the day we can build our own gadgets..
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just search up project ARA.
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OK all you knowledgeable folks you...
I have in mind buying a stick to connect to my motorola droid bionic lapdock, which is about to become obsolete since I need to upgrade my phone. I want the best specs possible without breaking the bank, root is a feature I want but not a dealbreaker. I am looking at the specs for the MK809III and it looks good to me. With twice as many cores, twice the ram, and 1.6 times the processor speed of my droid bionic it should scream as an android laptop using the lapdock. Is there a better option, is there something I've missed, is there stuff I need to know to implement my plan? I have flashed custom roms to my Bionic, but am not too worried if I don't do that with the stick unless it gives me some major functionality it lacks without.
I have successfully rooted my droid bionic a few times, and once un-bricked it by using the hardware buttons to set it to accept an os and flashing it via the usb and proper software using a pc, but that's a Columbus method of doing things. (discover it, and land on it). Essentially when I need to do something I do the research and find out how, then do it. I am by no means an android guru, but I know my way around a bit. Uses for this device will include media center, possibly netflix or streaming movies online, email and internet browser use, and if I can wangle it maybe some youtube uploading and editing using their online editor.
Any suggestions or directions would be welcome.
GIJeff
Beh?
Come on guys...nobody has anything to say about this plan? Good, bad....looks like indifferent is the verdict.
GIJeff said:
OK all you knowledgeable folks you...
I have in mind buying a stick to connect to my motorola droid bionic lapdock, which is about to become obsolete since I need to upgrade my phone. I want the best specs possible without breaking the bank, root is a feature I want but not a dealbreaker. I am looking at the specs for the MK809III and it looks good to me. With twice as many cores, twice the ram, and 1.6 times the processor speed of my droid bionic it should scream as an android laptop using the lapdock. Is there a better option, is there something I've missed, is there stuff I need to know to implement my plan? I have flashed custom roms to my Bionic, but am not too worried if I don't do that with the stick unless it gives me some major functionality it lacks without.
I have successfully rooted my droid bionic a few times, and once un-bricked it by using the hardware buttons to set it to accept an os and flashing it via the usb and proper software using a pc, but that's a Columbus method of doing things. (discover it, and land on it). Essentially when I need to do something I do the research and find out how, then do it. I am by no means an android guru, but I know my way around a bit. Uses for this device will include media center, possibly netflix or streaming movies online, email and internet browser use, and if I can wangle it maybe some youtube uploading and editing using their online editor.
Any suggestions or directions would be welcome.
GIJeff
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Sure you can't use another phone?
I've seen posts online (not necessarily this forum) for using Atrix lapdock with Droid Maxx and Miracast dongle. Also, Hunnix on this forum was using Lapdock 100 with an Xperia S phone; just recently told me he's using it with HDMI android tv dongles and it should work with any phone that has an HDMI port and USB OTG. Most phones right now have MHL rather than HDMI and won't work. I haven't had a chance to hunt this down any further yet, and not sure just what the differences are between Atrix, Bionic and 100 versions of Lapdock.
Good luck!