Does anyone know of any ROMS that are stock Android (CM7) but with a few HTC Sense elements thrown in? I really like stock Android, but I want to have HTC messaging, FB for HTC Sense, etc. I like the social hub aspect of Sense. Thank you.
cm7 isn't stock android.
The general answer to your question is no though. You can theme your phone to look like htc sense, but I'm pretty sure running any sort of sense app on a non sense rom isn't kosher... has something to do with huge incompatibilities somewhere I think. I don't know exactly what - I have just seen similar questions pop up on the board.
Try running GTG's new AOSP rom... I was a sense guy, until Adam Holden and GTG came out with their newest offerings. I get rediculous battery life on the aosp rom. I guess there's just that much less going on than in sense roms.
What I mean, is the stock Android aesthetic with the social aspects of Sense. It doesn't need to be stock Android. Basically, CM7 with a few Sense elements thrown in.
No, most HTC apps need HTC framework. Anything that's not an HTC rom(cm7, gtgs aosp, my aosp, anythimg based on cm7) is not gonna have sense framework. My other no sense rom has all HTC bloat removed, along with SOME framework, but still uses HTC camera, contacts, phone.
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I started this thread with hopes of learning and educating the talented Rom cookers and bakers XDA has to offer. There are alot of varying points of view, both in completely different camps as to which UI has more to offer/ meets a user's needs or desires. Vanilla, custom, Sense. I am trying to figure out WHAT users want in there roms.
For example:
I keep using Sense based Roms because I love the camera & enjoy the fact that it employs face detection. I also enjoy the fact that the SMS application automatically applies my picture from Facebook or twitter as my avatar when sending messages, to me that makes it feel cleaner.
I dislike the fact that sense keeps a rolling list of my most recent applications above the notifications bar, I also dislike how taxing on the system sense is.
Alas, this thread isn't only about what I like and I want... its about what we all would like to see.
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If we have a team of skinners/themers and bakers out there willing to undertake an on-demand ROM like this... 1. We would forever love you 2. If you haven't done so already, I will set up a PayPal account for donations in your honor because I'll love you like that.
Personally I like HTC Sense but there's something about AOSP that I can't help but have a huge attraction to so I'd have to go with that. I agree though about the status bar showing your recent apps and I did notice that Sense slows down my phone more and kinda kills battery
What does AOSP have to offer? AOSP vs Sense.
I'm familiar with a lot of terms, but what is "vanilla" ?
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What does AOSP have to offer? AOSP vs Sense.
I'm familiar with a lot of terms, but what is "vanilla" ?
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From what I have gleaned, it's basically the most simple/basic/no frills form of the ROM. Then, the bakers out all nice goodies and stuff in it to make it what it is.
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From what I have gleaned, it's basically the most simple/basic/no frills form of the ROM. Then, the bakers out all nice goodies and stuff in it to make it what it is.
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AOSP stands for Android Open Source Project and is like you said, stock android. It's what android is meant to look like but then companies add HTC Sense and Motorola Blur and other frames over it. If you check out the Ginger beast rom for the Inspire, which is what I run, then you'll see what it looks like and such
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AOSP stands for Android Open Source Project and is like you said, stock android. It's what android is meant to look like but then companies add HTC Sense and Motorola Blur and other frames over it. If you check out the Ginger beast rom for the Inspire, which is what I run, then you'll see what it looks like and such
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So is Gingerbeast a very trim version of an AOSP ROM? I played with MIUI a bit, but then went to CoreDroid and am pretty much loving it. Though I do have that itch to flash again...lol
Sense roms are made from what either HTC leaks us or stock firmwares modified or whatever that particular dev wants to do to that build(theme, deodex, zipalign, add whatever tweaks). You can remove some sense apks, but sense framework is still there and there is still some hints of it throughout that just can't really be removed.
Unmodified aosp roms are pretty much what you would see on a nexus s. Absolutley no bloat, no sense at all, fast and nothing to hog resources. But aosp wasn't specifically built for this phone and its a lot harder to get everything working right (thank the cm team for not only getting everything working, but it works insanely well).
Gingerbeast uses some cm core parts, but removes some cm specific stuff, adds in aosp parts from both source trees and is then compiled. Same for the kernel- cm aosp kernel, with some extra speed/efficiency tweaks)
Some sense roms are almost 300mb, gingerbeast is around 85 I believe.
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Sense roms are made from what either HTC leaks us or stock firmwares modified or whatever that particular dev wants to do to that build(theme, deodex, zipalign, add whatever tweaks). You can remove some sense apks, but sense framework is still there and there is still some hints of it throughout that just can't really be removed.
Unmodified aosp roms are pretty much what you would see on a nexus s. Absolutley no bloat, no sense at all, fast and nothing to hog resources. But aosp wasn't specifically built for this phone and its a lot harder to get everything working right (thank the cm team for not only getting everything working, but it works insanely well).
Gingerbeast uses some cm core parts, but removes some cm specific stuff, adds in aosp parts from both source trees and is then compiled. Same for the kernel- cm aosp kernel, with some extra speed/efficiency tweaks)
Some sense roms are almost 300mb, gingerbeast is around 85 I believe.
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So what you are saying is, without htc sense frame work we can't have things like the sense camera and weather app with your kernel and an adamholden rom?
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I want what Android Revolution has to offer, sense with a no sense script. Best of both worlds, no sense but still have a good camera and all the htc apps, but no sense! Makes sense!
I have to say that I think I prefer some of the things in sense. I've been from leedroid to miui to gingerbeast. Miui. Was slow and taxing, while very pretty... not what I want... I prefer a phone that can fly through pages as fast as I can navigate them.
Gingerbeast is very, very quick which is awesome, but like said before the HTC camera and SMS, as well as clock Widgets and ringtones, are better with sense.
I think ill try out android revolution next
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It would be cool of someone made a kernel with calibrated color, I think the captivate had some roms with that. I've noticed the black levels on the inspire seem more dark grey then true black. Wishful thinking maybe?
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I love sense, It's better than the others (touchwiz etc)
I use GingerBeast, which I like because it is small and light and fast. I do miss the sense camera, though the miui camera is decent enough for my purposes.
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I don't mind sense at all. I'm Still running stock but I'm thinking hard about flashing RCMix kingdom Rom cause I want to check out sense 3.0
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I use GingerBeast, which I like because it is small and light and fast. I do miss the sense camera, though the miui camera is decent enough for my purposes.
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Seems like the sense camera is one of the things people without sense miss the most
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The rom scene for the Desire S is pretty cluttered right now, with loads of different roms out there.
Can anyone tell me which roms offer Sense 3.5 but also minimalist in terms of apps in stalled?
I want as clost as possible to default android, but with sense 3.5 as I like the widgets and can't bare of the other launchers like launcher pro and and go launcher.
Thanks
Honestly best way is to get stuck in and make your own decision. We all have different preferences. Anything you find you do not need with a custom ROM, freeze/delete with TB. Or remove it from the .zip before flashing if it is safe to do so.
Personally I have tried only one Sense 3.5 ROM, RCMix. Runs very nicely with excellent battery life and no clutter in the apps department. But you may disagree.
RhymeS v1's sense is perfect but has some problems like BT and Hotspot.
Whats the difference? Isn't AOSP kind of like the same thing as senseless?
From what I understand AOSP builds are based off the 'pure' Android code base rather than being derived from another build relationships like a Sense build with the Sense removed.
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Yea I got that much but don't understand what the advantages of having aosp would be? I see people on here all the time saying they want pure aosp instead of senseless, buy why?
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From what I understand AOSP builds are based off the 'pure' Android code base rather than being derived from another build relationships like a Sense build with the Sense removed.
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Well sense has a certain framework it uses to connect bt, radio, widgets and a lot of the kernel. A senseless rom uses this framework just as sense would. This framework in itself is bulky and slower.
The aosp framework works different and is much lighter and snappier as it is from Google source, without interference.
Although a senseless rom appears and functions close to the same it is and always will be slower than aosp.
Sense is however more feature packed and in some cases more hardware compatible.
So to answer your question, we want aosp because it is faster and honestly unchanged as Google intended it.
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Yea I got that much but don't understand what the advantages of having aosp would be? I see people on here all the time saying they want pure aosp instead of senseless, buy why?
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functionally they should be the same but theres probably a minor performance benefit to AOSP over Senseless... Senseless is basically a stock Sense rom with the Sense bits removed by the modder (ie Rosie, Fancy Widget, etc)... however there is probably still some left over HTC code that was overlooked since there is literally thousands of lines of code. A pure AOSP build should not have anything in it that is unnecessary.
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I currently am running Shnizlon's sense 4 rom and it is fantastic but I recently decided to possibly try out other Rom's as well. CM9 is a rom I always see coming up as a topic in reading these posts. What are the advantages or disadvantages in using CM9? Do you think sense 4 is better? All opinions are welcome!!!
Also, I have the 3.32 firmware radio upgrade currently on my sensation. If I choose to switch over to CM9, would I need to do anything specificto switch over to it or can I just flash the rom in recovery mode like any other rom?
Thanks in advance.
I'm a CM guy. I like it because of it's stock Android roots, along with a large amount of customization settings. It's light on resources but big on performance.
Potential downsides are that it's not based on hTC's software, so none of their proprietary stuff (I view this as a plus, but others may not, my brother included).
Thanks for the feedback Rusty.
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depends on whether you like sense or stock. i prefer stock, a lot of people like the aesthetic of sense. totally up to you
also cm9 is still under pretty heavy development, i don't know if it's as stable as something based on any of the htc ruu's
there's a post somewhere around here that lists many of the popular sensation roms on this forum. differences basically boil down to sense3.6/4 vs aosp-ness
i'm currently using VI 4.0.2 (and am enjoying it) but also used kristof's hypersensation (which i loved, but i was really anxious to try ics).
CM9 is really stable, battery is good, but it does vary.
It has been my daily since camera was working and that's about a month or two
Have either of you tried the new sense 4 layout ??? It's pretty fantastic and snappy not to mention simple yet beautiful. I highly recommend it. Vanilla android is cool, nothing against it. Just trying to weigh the pros and cons. Guess I'll just have to give it a test run.
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I was like 8 weeks on Insertcoin Sense 3.6 ROM, then I switched to the InsertCoin Sense 4.0 ROM (wasn't called CoinDroid at that time), and after 2 weeks I switched back to Sense 3.6 again, cause Sense 4 was a bit buggy and not always as smooth as it should be.
After about 2 weeks I wanted changes - and tried AOKP (thanks to Bluewall, otherwise I wouldn't even try it)... It's awesome!
Okay Cyanogenmod is also a very nice ROM, but it hasn't as much Tweaks as AOKP...
Right now I'm thinking about to switch to CM9 again because it has some new nice fixes inside...
My first Android Phone was the HTC Legend, but Sense wasn't really that nice on it... So I switched over to CM6, later CM7 and loved it.
I'm still in love with Cyanogenmod
The first impression counts...
After having sense 3 days, i immediatly looked for antoher kind of ROM.
Indeed, sense is good looking but full of little bugs and so slow.... (even if our developpers are making amazing work about that on sense based ROMS)
CM9 based ROMS bring you a minimalist view (compared to sense) but so much more efficient, with a lot of little customisable settings (for grid of screen, locked to 4x4 for sense, up to 5x6 for CM9's launcher)
To be short : CM9 bring you a stable a fast ROM, with minimalist icon/theme, with a lot of little addon (customize color of text, edit toggles, dock item (1 or 3 or 5) etc...)
CM9 does have a few issues that are annoying but it is mostly stable. My biggest issue with it is the volume sometimes get really low and you have to restart it to fix it.
If you want an alternative to Coindroid and CM9, try HyperNonSense 2.5. Its fast and very stable. Based on Sense but with most of it removed which makes it fast and looks like Cm9.
You know, it's not very polite to compare ROMs
But if you comparing vanilla Android to Sense - there is many different points you should cover - some cases vanilla is way better, some cases Sense is just awesome.
For short - vanilla Android ROMs have just much more customizations and Sense gives much prettier (if you like sense style) and easier to use widgets and other apps.
I was using Sense 3.6 (4.0 had too many bugs then) for few months and I loved it! But when I tried vanilla ROM (AOKP build 31 to be precise) I fell in love one more time! This ROM is so minimalistic, fast and smooth no lag whatsoever (which I was facing in Sense ROMS). But after few months of usage I'm missing few things from Sense:
Sense Clock is very easy to use and maybe prettiest widget.
Friend Stream (and fb contacts sync) is very usefull and I haven't found apps doing that well.
Calendar widget - month view on homescreen is awesome.
So now I want Sense Clock and Sense Friend Stream but with minimalistic (Vanilla) Contacts, Phone, Messaging apps :/
P.S. If anyone wanna compare my homescreens on Sense 3.6 and AOKP ROM -
http://pinterest.com/pin/119134352612707582/
http://mycolorscreen.com/2012/05/08/htc-sensation-aokp-m5-with-green/
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You know, it's not very polite to compare ROMs
But if you comparing vanilla Android to Sense - there is many different points you should cover - some cases vanilla is way better, some cases Sense is just awesome.
For short - vanilla Android ROMs have just much more customizations and Sense gives much prettier (if you like sense style) and easier to use widgets and other apps.
I was using Sense 3.6 (4.0 had too many bugs then) for few months and I loved it! But when I tried vanilla ROM (AOKP build 31 to be precise) I fell in love one more time! This ROM is so minimalistic, fast and smooth no lag whatsoever (which I was facing in Sense ROMS). But after few months of usage I'm missing few things from Sense:
Sense Clock is very easy to use and maybe prettiest widget.
Friend Stream (and fb contacts sync) is very usefull and I haven't found apps doing that well.
Calendar widget - month view on homescreen is awesome.
So now I want Sense Clock and Sense Friend Stream but with minimalistic (Vanilla) Contacts, Phone, Messaging apps :/
P.S. If anyone wanna compare my homescreens on Sense 3.6 and AOKP ROM -
http://pinterest.com/pin/119134352612707582/
http://mycolorscreen.com/2012/05/08/htc-sensation-aokp-m5-with-green/
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Thank you for your feedback. I wouldn't necessarily say I was comparing them saying one was better than another. I was simply asking what are some of the advantages of vanilla over sense since I am very new to this. Nonetheless I appreciate your input greatly.
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I have always wanted to try other roms and I did, quite a few of them actually. People kept telling me how much they hated Sense and in a way I get them, but on the other hand, sense has some great apps and widgets, which actaully brings me to my question.
Is there a Desensed rom with the sense widgets still existing, or maybe even an AOSP rom ?
I know it sounds like a stupid question, but sometimes I just wish I could have CM and my sense calendar or dialer.
Sense bogs the phones resources.....even if it is snappy, it could be better, and that is AOSP.
For me I'm using sense until a bug free version of AOSP is available...
- Bluetooth
- audio routing
- etc.
i switched from sense to infamous to opensensation and i will stay with opensensation. i love the speed and the feel of cm9. with the sense rom i always had annoying little lags and it didnt felt smooth.
cm9 isnt perfect, like the others mentioned before, but its worth to give it a try.
i can live with the "bugs" and enjoy the smoothness
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i switched from sense to infamous to opensensation and i will stay with opensensation. i love the speed and the feel of cm9. with the sense rom i always had annoying little lags and it didnt felt smooth.
cm9 isnt perfect, like the others mentioned before, but its worth to give it a try.
i can live with the "bugs" and enjoy the smoothness
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I really wanted to use cm9 but the non smoothness is what drove me back to ARHD and VI. I read a lot about how smooth it is, but for me VI is significantly smoother
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I really wanted to use cm9 but the non smoothness is what drove me back to ARHD and VI. I read a lot about how smooth it is, but for me VI is significantly smoother
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Man don't take it bad but you're talking about a stock rooted rom and a senseless one.
This thread is about a Sense 4.0 and an AOSP...
I like much more CM9, farm more customizable.
Sense 4.0 right now doesn't suit me... Battery drains a lot compared to Sense 3.6 and much work still has to be done to make it equal smooth compared to a good Sense 3.6
Sense 4 vs. CM9? AOKP WINS XD
more stock felling, lighter, faster, I think is more stable, too...
i was a coindroid user, but in games it was not good, still laggy at 1.7 ghz...
now on aokp with nova launcher at 1.2 I play games perfectly and the UI is ****in' smooth...flash it, you won't regret
I love aosp but im a flashaholic so it gets boring really fast i like fancy animations and such but i prefer aosp looks and feels ...
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CM is not lightweight by any stretch of the imagination.
It does lag as much as sense do. If not more.
CM phone book is ****e. Which is the biggest downside for me. A PHONE's PHONE book should be the most important thing in a PHONE.
On the other hand I love CM because MIUI is based on CM
There is no 'CM' phonebook, it's AOSP, so blame Google if you don't like it.
That said, I'm not finding it laggy.
Hey guys, I've been away from Sensation development for a while so I'm not that current on what ROMs are available.
Basically, I've been using AOSP for a while and it's so much better at multitasking/fluidity that I don't really want to go back to Sense 3.6 or 4. However, I just don't think there's an app available that beats HTC's clock and weather functions - they really are amazing. I don't want or need access to Sense widgets, just the apps would be fine.
Is there any way to get Sense 3.6 or 4's clock and weather on a stock ICS Rom? I know it's not as simple as just chucking an apk on there because they come with additional services and libraries, so has any dev done something similar I might be able to have a look at?
Thanks for reading, I'd appreciate any advice or replies
Cheers!
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Hey guys, I've been away from Sensation development for a while so I'm not that current on what ROMs are available.
Basically, I've been using AOSP for a while and it's so much better at multitasking/fluidity that I don't really want to go back to Sense 3.6 or 4. However, I just don't think there's an app available that beats HTC's clock and weather functions - they really are amazing. I don't want or need access to Sense widgets, just the apps would be fine.
Is there any way to get Sense 3.6 or 4's clock and weather on a stock ICS Rom? I know it's not as simple as just chucking an apk on there because they come with additional services and libraries, so has any dev done something similar I might be able to have a look at?
Thanks for reading, I'd appreciate any advice or replies
Cheers!
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No you can't, due to the framework of HTC apps it would not be possible on aosp.
However, what u can do is flash a sense rom and then flash one of the aosp aroma themes on top - that will allow you to pick if you want aosp or sense versions of certain apps and will give u the look and speed of aosp.
Heres a link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21948881
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Hm, thanks for your reply, but I'm sure I've seen it done before - and not just a Sense ROM with an AOSP theme, but in my travels I've seen stock Gingerbread and ICS builds with HTC apps incorporated somewhere. I'm pretty sure, anyway
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Hm, thanks for your reply, but I'm sure I've seen it done before - and not just a Sense ROM with an AOSP theme, but in my travels I've seen stock Gingerbread and ICS builds with HTC apps incorporated somewhere. I'm pretty sure, anyway
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no i doubt it...
what u would have seen is the aosp theme - try it mate it looks and feels identical to aosp but with some htc apps. Its what ur looking for...
hi mate, i was using Virtuous Inquisition AOSP for past months, and had just went back to Sense ROMs.
Didn't do much. Was having a HBOOT 1.27, HTC firmware 3.32, while on Virtuous Inquisition. Just wiped all data, and flashed the OrDroid (Sense 4.0). Been using it for awhile, very stable so far.
ARHD is also a good choice for sense ROM, but thats a Sense3.6.