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No Reason not to root and remove ATT bloatware and enable sideloading

Well I'm writing this because of the complaints of lagginess and/or crap from AT&T.
While I'm not a dev genius, I do know my way around iPhone OS and WM and Android is coming pretty naturally to me. IF YOU JUST READ THREE THREADS YOU CAN HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PHONE. There. I said it.
Seriously, if you are complaining about it being laggy, its because the ATT crapware likes to turn on for no reason in the background. REMOVE it!
Install Titanium Backup, allow it to update and then go to manage and uninstall ONLY ATT APPS. don't get rid of google apps or **** goes crazy
If you're complaining about not being able to install LauncherPro or easytheter, learn how to sideload! Seriously, you can use adb and droid explorer if you'd like (really simple) or you can edit ONE LINE in your database and get it directly on your phone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=728121
If you're wondering how to do all this, just ROOT. It takes 30 seconds, it's longer to reboot the phone than to root it. Just get the update, it does absolutely nothing to your phone, just installs superuser.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=725555
I'm just getting pissed because this is supposed to be a poweruser site and lots people here are just bickering about things when they could simply fix them.
I know my account doesn't have many posts, but I've been around (Didn't feel like keeping TyTNic_Dev was fitting considering I haven't had the TyTN for about 4 years now) And while I'll try and contribute what I can, IMO this subforum would be alot cleaner if everyone stopped complaining and kept everything relevent.
Talking about how you "hate the phone, its so laggy need to go back to iPhone" or just "don't understand what all the fuss about Android is" just GTFO, or leach off everyones contributions. It really drags the thread down when people have all that hate and negativity. Especially when a few tweaks and the phone runs like a dream.
I've rooted, enabled sideload, and removed bloatware, as soon as I get all the kinks in my flash plugin, I'll have a phone that is as powerful (or even better) than anything else currently on the market. I suggest you do the same, then you'll probably be singing its praises as well.
ok..phew..
/rant
so yeah, root and fix the phone. you'll be glad you did

Good post. Just to help people maybe throw some links where u say to do each mod.
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V DidDy 210 said:
Seriously, if you are complaining about it being laggy, its because the ATT crapware likes to turn on for no reason in the background. REMOVE it!
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I dont think this is true. I've never once seen it just start itself up.
But yes, rooting is easy, but there's not a whole bunch of reason to do it quite yet.
Edit- there's also not much reason to NOT do it either.

I agree with you 100%. Like yoursef, im not one to have tons of replies, but ive been following XDA since my Tilt (not tilt 2). I think the issue is that we have a lot of new followers (welcome!) coming over from the Iphone and they are not use to what this board is all about.These arent apps you just install, this is software development/enhancements all in one place. Hopefully when the WIKI is back up (or created rather), there can be a nice "how to" section for everyone to reference.

TexUs said:
I dont think this is true. I've never once seen it just start itself up.
But yes, rooting is easy, but there's not a whole bunch of reason to do it quite yet.
Edit- there's also not much reason to NOT do it either.
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I just restarted my phone, and there was a huge list of apps that were running right off of startup. A lot were at&t (naviagtor, ect.) and some were not.
EDIT- I know a lot of people are talking abut the lag due to the samsung UI, but I really dont care about the live wallpapers and I have a regular background so I dont get any lag at all. I am excited about the 2.2 update to gain the speed and access to the other 256mb or RAM. That alone will make this device a great phone. I am really enjoying android verses my WiMo devices (tilt 2 was the latest).

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I just restarted my phone, and there was a huge list of apps that were running right off of startup. A lot were at&t (naviagtor, ect.) and some were not.
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If that's true then this is a good reason to do so but I haven't seen that happen I guess.

After I instaled task manager I noticed most att apps would start on there own. I was always looking at what was running to try and save my batt.
Ive never hit the att apps at all since I had phone. After rooting and removing att crap nothing tuns in background execpt what I open.
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When you root do you have to manually update to froyo or does it give you the option?

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When you root do you have to manually update to froyo or does it give you the option?
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I'm wondering the same thing...

TexUs said:
I dont think this is true. I've never once seen it just start itself up.
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happens to me all the time. random AT&T crap will start on its own

Thanks guys, yeah whenever you start ANY navigator app, att navi will start (its triggered by the gps starting) when you start any music player att music starts (it is triggered by com.google.music(sic))
these little things can be avoided and lets be honest, the stock touchwiz music player is really good. I have copilot so no reason to pay att. Navigation is a top notch free gps too.
the only one I could see is maybe you like mobitv, that is actually pretty decent of an app, but things like allsport, where, ypmobile, all of these can be accomplished using the browser.
I'll edit the post to include the links, but I just feel like when I'd be working on code or something, if someone was whining it wouldn't motivate me.. Why would I wanna program the Captivate (apart form sheer love) for people who'd just complain you know?
I'm messing around with the sdk and what not and I just got me a second Captivate so i'll be doing all sorts of tests to see what it'll take to get stock froyo on it, but i'm still a novice so i'll keep updating everyone and hopefully we can get 2.2 as a community

@V DidDy 210 I like your attitude. I hope more devs like you come around to the captivate scene as I would and the community as well would greatly appreciate it. I know I will. I will try my best to contribute and help with any interesting development on this device.

I have rooted and removed the AT&T and many of the Samsung apps, but that didn't really change anything. If it were just those then owners of the International versions of the Galaxy S wouldn't be having the same issues. I think the problem is much more than AT&T bloatware.

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happens to me all the time. random AT&T crap will start on its own
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Being a running process and actually consuming resources are two different things and I'm not seeing anything worth making a big deal about since they are just sitting in memory.

dsjr2006 said:
I have rooted and removed the AT&T and many of the Samsung apps, but that didn't really change anything. If it were just those then owners of the International versions of the Galaxy S wouldn't be having the same issues. I think the problem is much more than AT&T bloatware.
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What is your problem? Is it laggy? I haven't noticed any lag on mine, I've removed the bloat (all of it) rooted (obviously) added sideloading, installed flash 10 and check all the dbs for any scripts that might still be activating unnecessary scripts.
I haven't found any, and unless I actively run something (widgets or apps) nothing is running on its own. Only the most rudimentary of services run in the background (unless I tell something to) and my phone is 99% lag free. It is laggy at startup while it is parsing through my media files and it is laggy when I have a bunch of apps open (I'm talking around 16-17) otherwise in day to day operation (browsing, phone calls, music listening, watching movies while on the treadmill, etc.) I have no problems.
I'll try and help you, just need more info on whats going on

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Being a running process and actually consuming resources are two different things and I'm not seeing anything worth making a big deal about since they are just sitting in memory.
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This is true, but while they are running there they still consume even the smallest amounts of usable memory...unless you like the ATT apps there isn't any real reason to keep them. Even if it uses 1kb of ram...its still 1kb of ram wasted

Excellent post but more importantly.... it seems to be a very necessary post. I loved the site when I had my Hermes, Kaiser, Touch, and other HTC devices ~2006 - 2008 but now that I came back with my Android device, it definitely seems like the tone has changed.

My question its are we all having the same problem? I experience lag, unresponsive touch due to lag also a black screen that hangs when you open a app. If so, I'm rooting right now. Please some one confirm. BTW this its a universal problem with all Samsung galaxy s phone. So I'm inclined to think its the firmware not the att bloatware.
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V DidDy 210 said:
What is your problem? Is it laggy? I haven't noticed any lag on mine, I've removed the bloat (all of it) rooted (obviously) added sideloading, installed flash 10 and check all the dbs for any scripts that might still be activating unnecessary scripts.
I haven't found any, and unless I actively run something (widgets or apps) nothing is running on its own. Only the most rudimentary of services run in the background (unless I tell something to) and my phone is 99% lag free. It is laggy at startup while it is parsing through my media files and it is laggy when I have a bunch of apps open (I'm talking around 16-17) otherwise in day to day operation (browsing, phone calls, music listening, watching movies while on the treadmill, etc.) I have no problems.
I'll try and help you, just need more info on whats going on
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Is flash 10 working? Does video play in the browser? Can you point me ibm the right direction?

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Is flash 10 working? Does video play in the browser? Can you point me ibm the right direction?
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LOL. I thought you were serious for a moment.

[Q] Onboard 4 gigs sufficient for apps??

I'm in the process of deciding whether I get the Inspire or wait for the Infuse. I'm new to smart phones, but been reading a ton.
My question; is the 4 GB on the Inspire sufficient for the numerous apps I am likely to put on it? I think I've read about apps that let you place apps on the mSD. Is this even a concern I need to worry about?
Thanks for the help. Searched the forum and didn't see this addressed. Probably means it's a dumb question. I'm trying to get smart

Unless your going to have a couple hundred apps you shouldnt really worry to much.
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I've downloaded plenty of apps and never even gotten close to using up the internal memory. I move what I can to the SD card, usually (it's not hard to do, and it's a feature built into the phone now).

Ditto, you'd have to work pretty hard to fill up that space, most programs are pretty small. But remember that many applications now support the A2SD function, so in the unlikely event that you start running out of room, moving them to your SD card is an option. I notice very little performance difference between apps on the card and apps run internally.

Are T-Mobile bloatwares slowing the phone down?

I have the T-Mobile Sensation 4G.
I have been too lazy to do s-off/root and put a custom rom on it, since I found the phone to have pretty decent speed so far. But lately I found my phone to be rather slugghish at times, so I decide to do it.
So I followed the guides here, got s-off and root. The first things I did was to remove all the t-mobile bloatwares, slacker and nova. By the time I've done that, it was late at night and I didn't want to stay up all night to backup/restore everything, so I just stopped there and planned to continue the next day.
I have been busy and never really got the time to sit down backing up everything and put a new rom on it. But to my surprise, I found my phone to be much more responsive now. It has been a week now, and I must say I'm very happy about it. All I did was removing the t-mobile bloatwares. Honestly I didn't expect anything from doing that other than free-ing up some insignificant storage space. Can't help but wonder what were the t-mobloat doing to this phone?

For me, they were doing really fun things like autostarting themselves after I killed them with a task manager, hogging up to 50% of my ram without any way to stop them (before i rooted/flashed cm7), bugging me about tmo stuff, trying to get me to pay to watch internet tv, starting world war 3, launching nuclear weapons, acting as a beacon for alien invaders, and last but not least, opening a portal to Cthulhu.

The_Green_Android_Robot said:
For me, they were doing really fun things like autostarting themselves after I killed them with a task manager, hogging up to 50% of my ram without any way to stop them (before i rooted/flashed cm7), bugging me about tmo stuff, trying to get me to pay to watch internet tv, starting world war 3, launching nuclear weapons, acting as a beacon for alien invaders, and last but not least, opening a portal to Cthulhu.
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Taking up RAM is fine, as long as you have positive amount of free memory and the apps are not taking up processor resources. Free memory = unused resources. There is no point of having more memory if you have several hundreds of free memory lying around all the time. What is important is that the OS will efficiently kill processes and release occupied memory when an active app requires them, and Android is doing a pretty good job on that.
What I want to know is, beside taking up memory, what are these t-mobloats actually doing to take up processor resources?

They are running things in the background because they are badly coded, they are downloading updates for themselves (without telling you), they are using background data, and opening a portal to Cthulhu does need a lot of CPU time.

Phone finally fast

Hey Guys,
I finally got my phone to work at a decent speed. Here are the things I did:
1. Used Apps2SD to move the apps from internal storage to SD Card. Wondering why this helped? As far as I understand the apps are run in RAM and internal storage is used for storing data and apks etc. RAM is freed up by Android as and when needed but freeing up internal storage doesn't give android more RAM.
2. Use Autorun Manager to prevent some apps from starting up and remaining in memory. Now this I understand because this gives more RAM to android and avoids unnecessary swapping when applications are started up.
3. Used 'SD Booster' to increase sd cache size to 8192Kb. This gave some initial benefits but later on it became very slow as usual.
Bottom line is I am still puzzled by Android memory and SD card management. I am pretty sure though process swapping in and out of memory is what caused my phone to slow down. My Samsung Droid Charge is supposed to have 512MB of RAM but most memory managers show only 374MB and 2 GB of internal storage and most tools show only 1.2GB. Why would this be? Am I missing something or should I use a different tool to analyze my memory.

Not sure about RAM but usually when u buy a hard drive the bigger the hard drive the lower the actual number of gigs. Maybe it is actually 1.2GB
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1. This one must be a placebo effect because if anything moving apps to sd card will make the phone slower. Our internal memory has way higher i/o speeds (especially on ext4) than the measly class 2 sd.
2. This is usually not a good idea. The processes you "block" will actually still run but they will be insta-killed. They will keep trying to start up and will drain the battery.
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JihadSquad said:
1. This one must be a placebo effect because if anything moving apps to sd card will make the phone slower. Our internal memory has way higher i/o speeds (especially on ext4) than the measly class 2 sd.
2. This is usually not a good idea. The processes you "block" will actually still run but they will be insta-killed. They will keep trying to start up and will drain the battery.
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Thats what I thought. Im no guru, but out of all the reading Ive done, they have all said that moving apps from the sdcard to internal speeds up things.
Im looking at ways to speed up my wife's droid charge. Shes been complaining about it and finally gave me the go on rooting and maybee ROMing. I would like to stick to stock if possible so she wont run into any problems but if I have to I will install a custom rom. Any links?

Nope this is no placebo effect. The phone has become very fast. There are several posts that say that moving the apps to sd card speeds up the phone. In fact of all the things this is what sped up my phone the most. Why else would app2sd be so popular? Read #4 on http://www.talkandroid.com/guides/b...lean-up-and-speed-up-your-android-smartphone/ .
To further speed up my phone I am trying to overclock. My phone is stable at 1.2GHz but at 1.3 GHz it reboots after some time. To make it stable at 1.3GHz should I increase the voltage at that frequency?

salilsurendran said:
Nope this is no placebo effect. The phone has become very fast. There are several posts that say that moving the apps to sd card speeds up the phone. In fact of all the things this is what sped up my phone the most. Why else would app2sd be so popular? Read #4 on http://www.talkandroid.com/guides/b...lean-up-and-speed-up-your-android-smartphone/ .
To further speed up my phone I am trying to overclock. My phone is stable at 1.2GHz but at 1.3 GHz it reboots after some time. To make it stable at 1.3GHz should I increase the voltage at that frequency?
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Read it again. That's only about getting extra app space on smaller-storage devices. They actually recommend against moving things you use frequently in your linked article.
I'm with the others. Any gains you're seeing from this are placebo. There's nothing inherently faster about external storage.
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salilsurendran said:
Hey Guys,
My Samsung Droid Charge is supposed to have 512MB of RAM but most memory managers show only 374MB and 2 GB of internal storage and most tools show only 1.2GB. Why would this be? Am I missing something or should I use a different tool to analyze my memory.
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It has a total of 512MB RAM, and that is for everything, so the GPU and other such things have to take their share from the total pool. On the GB releases, that leaves us with 374MB. It's better than it used to be. On the Froyo releases, we only had 327MB to work with.

bubarub said:
Not sure about RAM but usually when u buy a hard drive the bigger the hard drive the lower the actual number of gigs. Maybe it is actually 1.2GB
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No, on a hard drive (or solid state drives or even SD/memory cards), what you buy is what you get. However, due to formatting, space reserved for backup/spare sectors, and what is considered a "gigabyte" to manufacturers vs consumers (1000 mb vs 1024 mb) you often end up with around 95% (probably off on that percentage) of the stated capacity. With RAM this is not the case, as that type of memory doesn't need formatting as its holding raw data with the computer making up its structure. And manufacturers of RAM are in agreement with consumers as to what a gig is.
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bubarub said:
Not sure about RAM but usually when u buy a hard drive the bigger the hard drive the lower the actual number of gigs. Maybe it is actually 1.2GB
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This is the difference between a gigabyte and a gibibyte. Hard drives are usually advertised in gigabytes (literally 1 billion bytes), while most OSes use gibibytes (2^30 bytes, or 1,073,741,824 bytes), since they do everything in "base 2", or binary. So an advertised 10GB hard drive has 10 billion bytes. Once you format the drive, the OS reports size in gibibytes, so you end up with:
Code:
10,000,000,000 / 1,073,741,824 = ~9.31GiB
That's also why if you look on most hard drive packages, it says "formatted size may be different than advertised size" or something similar.
Just a random fact of the day. Feel free to ignore it.
On topic: I don't believe the giga/gibi (or in the case of phone RAM, mega/mebi) is the issue. 512MB converted to mebibytes is roughly 488MiB. I believe the Charge is a 512MB device with some of that memory reserved for OS/system-only purposes. I could be wrong on that, however, so if anyone could clarify that'd be great.
Edit: Could have sworn I read through all of the replies before replying myself. I guess I didn't because multiple people beat me on both points by a day. Sorry about that duplicate info.

Cilraaz, let's just say you compiled both answers into a single post...
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The number one lesson I learned from buying this phone
Check the amount of run time memory before you buy a phone, especially if you have two companies like Verizon and Samsung loading bloatware. You were forced to root the phone and rid yourself of the bloatware, or not buy apps. I totally agree with the OP. He is 100% correct about the run time memory.
So I restored back to factory to get ready for another root. After the required Verizon and Samsung updates, hitting the clear memory button, I'm using 268MB of 373MB. Now I know the OS can swap, (because we love paging), but it really is ridiculous. I can't wait until March. Good luck everyone.

dbaps said:
Check the amount of run time memory before you buy a phone, especially if you have two companies like Verizon and Samsung loading bloatware. You were forced to root the phone and rid yourself of the bloatware, or not buy apps. I totally agree with the OP. He is 100% correct about the run time memory.
So I restored back to factory to get ready for another root. After the required Verizon and Samsung updates, hitting the clear memory button, I'm using 268MB of 373MB. Now I know the OS can swap, (because we love paging), but it really is ridiculous. I can't wait until March. Good luck everyone.
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I couldn't understand what you are saying here. From what I understand you are saying that is that when you rooted your phone you had 512MB of memory but after you installed Verizon and Samsung updates it started saying you had 373MB. So is it that Samsung and Verizon updates are taking away about 147 MB of memory? What is going to happen in March?

salilsurendran said:
I couldn't understand what you are saying here. From what I understand you are saying that is that when you rooted your phone you had 512MB of memory but after you installed Verizon and Samsung updates it started saying you had 373MB. So is it that Samsung and Verizon updates are taking away about 147 MB of memory? What is going to happen in March?
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No. Hardware wise the Charge has a total of 512 mb of RAM. The GPU and other hardware have to take from that pool, and the end result is that the Android OS has 373 MB of RAM to use. Verizon and Samsung bloatware and updates have no control over the hardware aspect, but the bloatware DOES utilize some ram while the phone is running (but does not take from that pool). March is probably when his upgrade is.
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salilsurendran said:
Hey Guys,
I finally got my phone to work at a decent speed. Here are the things I did:
1. Used Apps2SD to move the apps from internal storage to SD Card. Wondering why this helped? As far as I understand the apps are run in RAM and internal storage is used for storing data and apks etc. RAM is freed up by Android as and when needed but freeing up internal storage doesn't give android more RAM.
2. Use Autorun Manager to prevent some apps from starting up and remaining in memory. Now this I understand because this gives more RAM to android and avoids unnecessary swapping when applications are started up.
3. Used 'SD Booster' to increase sd cache size to 8192Kb. This gave some initial benefits but later on it became very slow as usual.
Bottom line is I am still puzzled by Android memory and SD card management. I am pretty sure though process swapping in and out of memory is what caused my phone to slow down. My Samsung Droid Charge is supposed to have 512MB of RAM but most memory managers show only 374MB and 2 GB of internal storage and most tools show only 1.2GB. Why would this be? Am I missing something or should I use a different tool to analyze my memory.
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What rom are you using? My son went swimming with his fascinate and I'm in the process of reviving my dc. I have compiled a few odds and ends and am mostly concerned about speed as well.
texbuck

texbuck said:
What rom are you using? My son went swimming with his fascinate and I'm in the process of reviving my dc. I have compiled a few odds and ends and am mostly concerned about speed as well.
texbuck
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I am using Eclipse 1.4 with PBJ.

Ok so I can clearly see that my phone is becoming slow again. Not sure as to what it is related to. Though one thing that surprises me is that I overclocked the CPU to 1.2 GHz and set the governor as 'conservative' and sometimes even ' smartassv2' but it changes to 'ondemand' even though I never changed it to that value. Why is this happening?

salilsurendran said:
Ok so I can clearly see that my phone is becoming slow again. Not sure as to what it is related to. Though one thing that surprises me is that I overclocked the CPU to 1.2 GHz and set the governor as 'conservative' and sometimes even ' smartassv2' but it changes to 'ondemand' even though I never changed it to that value. Why is this happening?
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Kernel? OC app?
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salilsurendran said:
Ok so I can clearly see that my phone is becoming slow again. Not sure as to what it is related to. Though one thing that surprises me is that I overclocked the CPU to 1.2 GHz and set the governor as 'conservative' and sometimes even ' smartassv2' but it changes to 'ondemand' even though I never changed it to that value. Why is this happening?
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Plugging the phone into a pc does that for some reason.
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I have to agree that even though my phone was initially fast it slowed down considerably after some time. Frustrated I then backuped my phone using Titanium backup and installed Tweaked 2.2 Rom + PBJ. But this time I did the conversion to EXT4 and the phone has become super snappy and the fastest I have ever seen. However, I am not rejoicing right now because I have only installed some very necessary apps like navigation, yelp etc. Don't know if the phone will be come slow after I install more apps. On Seepu I can see for the first time my used memory is green and this probably is a major reason why the phone has speeded up. Another factor is the EXT4 conversion.

Infinity was known for slowing down over a short period of time. Tweaked 2.2 is quite a bit better. But running a Droid Charge for several days without rebooting it once in a while will cause it to slow down too. Just reboot when it starts slowing down. It should help.

Before I add any more apps I want to save this state of the phone so that I can go back to this if the performance degrades. What do I have to do for this? I used Titanium backup but I see that it saves app data and you have to install each individual app. What I want is to make one click and restore my phone back to the state it previously was. Should I do a nandroid backup

What's wrong with a bit of bloat??? I'm ok, I'm ok even with Root and STUFF

All right, I'm rooted, have safestrap, xposed, wanam and I'm rocking with Beans town. AKA beanstown106 ROM. Even still I have a ton of bloat and presently I'm at 9hrs of battery usage, 1 hour and 10 min of screen time and I have 29 minutes of voice calls! OK, ok guess where my battery is at???
84%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Say what? My app count with Titanium is 109 (yes I'm an app junkie) and I have over 3,000 contacts with pages and pages of notes on each, YET, I'm at 84%.
Somebody help me, Why am I searching for more? I mean this in just an addicted flasher question. This S5 is really the bomb. I had a S4 but after a bad golf round, and other stuff and I took a hammer to it on the glass face until it looked like toast and then (I cant' believe I'm telling ya'll this I bent it in half) yep...crap that would have made a great video to post, maybe even viral. On craigslist I found a local Verizon employee who had a "new S5" and I mean right out of the box for $375 (no upgrade as I'm unlimited data etc and use about 15gb per month) and I have this kind new phone now. I really thought I would never upgrade to the S5 from the S4 because they seemed virtually the same but I was wrong. I'm really liking the S5, ESPECIALLY now that we have Root and Recovery. I'm just hoping that I do not have another bad round of golf, and that has me worried! :crying::crying::crying:
So the reason for this post is to ask, what's the big deal with getting all the bloat off of the device. I know I searched and searched and flashed every new Rom that's on the development site so far as of today, (I use the Safestrap stock slot without worry as I have Odin and a lot of resources to recover and major backups) but I'm back to Beans and I'm happy. This was the first Rom to get the S5 working on the table, and it's not de-bloated much at all, but dang, look at my battery life. Excellent...and I can still use Allshare, baby crying detector, Verizon tones and about 400 other apps available (that I know I'll never use) and on and on. So what I say or ask is why I need to keep searching for the most streamlined ROM????. I'm at 84% after 9 hours!
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Disclaimer in fine print...Please take no offense to this post, I know I need flash rehab but it's a general question that do not have an answer for?
Therapy anyone?

tiger505 said:
All right, I'm rooted, have safestrap, xposed, wanam and I'm rocking with Beans town. AKA beanstown106 ROM. Even still I have a ton of bloat and presently I'm at 9hrs of battery usage, 1 hour and 10 min of screen time and I have 29 minutes of voice calls! OK, ok guess where my battery is at???
84%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Say what? My app count with Titanium is 109 (yes I'm an app junkie) and I have over 3,000 contacts with pages and pages of notes on each, YET, I'm at 84%.
Somebody help me, Why am I searching for more? I mean this in just an addicted flasher question. This S5 is really the bomb. I had a S4 but after a bad golf round, and other stuff and I took a hammer to it on the glass face until it looked like toast and then (I cant' believe I'm telling ya'll this I bent it in half) yep...crap that would have made a great video to post, maybe even viral. On craigslist I found a local Verizon employee who had a "new S5" and I mean right out of the box for $375 (no upgrade as I'm unlimited data etc and use about 15gb per month) and I have this kind new phone now. I really thought I would never upgrade to the S5 from the S4 because they seemed virtually the same but I was wrong. I'm really liking the S5, ESPECIALLY now that we have Root and Recovery. I'm just hoping that I do not have another bad round of golf, and that has me worried! :crying::crying::crying:
So the reason for this post is to ask, what's the big deal with getting all the bloat off of the device. I know I searched and searched and flashed every new Rom that's on the development site so far as of today, (I use the Safestrap stock slot without worry as I have Odin and a lot of resources to recover and major backups) but I'm back to Beans and I'm happy. This was the first Rom to get the S5 working on the table, and it's not de-bloated much at all, but dang, look at my battery life. Excellent...and I can still use Allshare, baby crying detector, Verizon tones and about 400 other apps available (that I know I'll never use) and on and on. So what I say or ask is why I need to keep searching for the most streamlined ROM????. I'm at 84% after 9 hours!
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Disclaimer in fine print...Please take no offense to this post, I know I need flash rehab but it's a general question that do not have an answer for?
Therapy anyone?
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nice rant lol. thing is, not everyone is an app junkie lol. and where you really test the battery life is with screen on time as that uses the most battery..
So my answer is that everyone has different tastes..
My question to you is this: When you press the recents button and then task manager, what does your RAM usage look like?
With all those apps i imagine you have less than 1gb free for sure. System ram allows the phone to work faster the more ram you have available.
Also, the leaner the rom the more storage space you have for apps youll actually use.
I for one would rather install useful apps from the play store vs having baby detector and bloat apps ill never use..
To each their own
Rant over lol
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elliwigy said:
nice rant lol. thing is, not everyone is an app junkie lol. and where you really test the battery life is with screen on time as that uses the most battery..
So my answer is that everyone has different tastes..
My question to you is this: When you press the recents button and then task manager, what does your RAM usage look like?
With all those apps i imagine you have less than 1gb free for sure. System ram allows the phone to work faster the more ram you have available.
Also, the leaner the rom the more storage space you have for apps youll actually use.
I for one would rather install useful apps from the play store vs having baby detector and bloat apps ill never use..
To each their own
Rant over lol
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Point well put..., and thanks for the response. I'm still in WTF mode and just ranting. However with Titanium my Rom says 3.14 GB (816 MG free) on System Rom. I know it's been much lower free with room than that in the years past but yet I've never had a memory issue. So I'm with you " to each their own"
Warning, I've had a few shots today (ok many shots) so from a personal matter I am on a rant...this just seem like the best forum for social contact for my passion...Phones (probably owned about 40+ over the past 17 years, and no I usually do not take a hammer to them, LOL)
PS...I never had children but the "baby detector" app may be the coolest app in the world! Who knew.
Oh and one more thing for all...THIS IS JUST A PHONE, but I'm still not convinced of that as maybe it's the whole part of my life, dang. :cyclops:
Therapy anyone?