[Q] Most active honeycomb specific forum regarding new apps? - Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

So we've got a couple honeycomb tablets now, and apps should start rolling out.
We're all looking to fill particular niches. Take me for example. I'm looking to do a few things, like upload photos easier (I guess we're waiting on a tablet version of photobucket), I'd like to have a better browser than stock, cause that thing is buggy and Dolphin HD is pretty damn laggy itself. Another is note-taking, which seems to be a problem, as there arent many apps available for that. My girlfriend has an iPad and its got some pretty terrific apps.
So all these things, along with everyone elses, theres gotta be a main collection of consumers and developers, all talking about the most recent apps, the best apps, etc. Is there such a place? Or do we have to rely on google searches, and random posts in the twenty or so different tablet / android / droid forums around the interwebs?
Just curious

As far as I've seen, there isn't a centralized area for just Honeycomb apps. I've been doing the same thing as you and have been checking 10 or so different places to see what's new and different.
Also, I'd love to see a better note taking app out there (something like Note Taker HD for the iPad). Handrite is okay for the time being, but when classes start back up in the Fall, I'd like to have something a little more robust.

This one seems to be updated every few days. I have it bookmarked.
http://forum.androidcentral.com/mot...al-optimized-honeycomb-apps-list-n-170-a.html

Can't you upload to Picasa like you can on Android phones for your pictures?
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Imgur also have an Android app. https://market.android.com/details?id=com.imgurforandroid

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cruz T301, kyros MID7015, or pandigital?

I'm going to be buying an android tablet next week and am just so lost as to which to get.
I've narrowed it down to these three because I'm not looking to spend $400 when in a year the tech on android tablets will be in full swing and we will all be upgrading.
I just have no idea which to get because sellers don't list actual specs that those of us who aren't soccer moms care about. They just list all the great software it comes with (as if that matters since the greatness of android is what software you can install not pre-loaded) and other useless bits of info.
So I was hoping some fellow techies could give me their takes on them.
The use I'm looking for is mostly reading comic books and watching some videos. So the important factors to me are:
-access to a decent market or the ability to install apks, most comics open horribly in default software so getting a comic reader specific app is important. This is the most important aspect to me because really as long as we can install our own apps most shortcomings can be overcome.
-decent speed. The first wave of tablets could barely swipe homepages without freezing up. I've heard the pandigital is like this but am not sure.
-possible hackability. If it comes pretty stock android I don't mind not being able to hack it but this would be a bonus.
The main thing I'm looking for is something that isn't so locked down by proprietary crap that I can only install a reader app and one of 4 games in the manufacturers app store.
I like the capacative touch screen on the cruz because that's always better than resistive in my book, but i've read they used some funky processor that basically makes the vast majority of apps, as well as upgrading to 2.1 impossible. the kyros on the other hand sounds like it's more open and less locked down by proprietary crap but I honestly don't really know. The pandigital i just threw in there because there seems to be some threads about hacking it so i didn't know if people have found a way to make it an open machine yet.
thanks for any advice.
It's both funny and sad that you got no replies yet skullkandy.
After giving up on upgrading my WM2003 iPAQ, I decided I'd look into the very subject you're asking advice about.
Yeah, I ain't spending all that much $$$ either. **** is moving so fast right now in this market segment that it really makes no sense to get the "latest and greatest" only to see it become obsolete in 6-12 months.
And what about Velocity Micro's Cruz Reader w/ Android 2.0? I believe it can be rooted and upgraded to at least 2.3 and converted into a tablet that reads about every format and service and gets Android Marketplace... And they're around (new in the box) for about $120.
Have you made a choice yet? What happened?
I think I'm torn between the Cruz Reader or the Kyros... Any opinions would be helpful.

Is anyone else thinking about actually USING WebOS?

I am really starting to like WebOS a lot and since we know it is the tablets and not the OS that were scrapped, I have to wonder about a possible groundswell of new development for the native operating system.
I am not quite as excited as most about getting FroYo on this thing, I actually think it may be a downgrade, performance-wise. GingerBread struck me as slightly different than FroYo, but Honeycomb is sweet. I also have a Viewsonic Gtablet running the FlashBack Honeycomb ROM and it is pretty damn nice, but I find WebOS to be a little more elegant and refined feeling. Especially after installing PreWare and adding the performance patches and stuff.
I am not a developer, but there are a lot of them around here and quite a few of them either already got or will get a touchpad to play with. I am hoping that some of them will be impressed enough (or intrigued enough) to look at the WebOS SDK and PDK.
Since there are already drivers for full functionality within WebOS, I would think it would not be too arduous for some of these intrepid devs to port a few of the popular apps over for those sticking with it. There is also a web-based widget builder called Project Ares that looks interesting.
Anybody else? Bueller?
I would continue using WebOS if there's a way to use Android apps on it
Webos is probably my favorite tablet os now. The problem is there's no Apps for it. I bought the touchpad for my girlfriend yesterday and she said she loved it but after 10 minutes of just checking facebook and some websites she was like, ok what now?
They need more games optimized for it and better prices
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With no apps just think how youll never exhaust its resources
Just read a site claiming to have an andriod dump from HP's tablet. There will be decent android roms in no time.
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i'm kind of torn about using android on my TP.
i quite like the way webOS works.
i honestly can't understand why HP gave up on this thing. it's brilliant.
sure it's a little slow out of the box, but so was my HTC magic. a new rom fixed that.
it has fantastic support from the preware community.
i'm loving gestures and cards.
a 3G modem would've been nice (or a usb port to allow a dongle), but again not a big deal given that most phones these days can do wireless hotspot and 99.9% of the time if i have my tablet, i also have my phone. therefore it's always able to connect.
i'll admit the build quality leaves a bit to be desired, but for a first up effort it's pretty good.
the touchstone dock is brilliant.
i'm tempted to buy a second one so i'll have one at home and one at work.
i love android. (i'm somewhat of a fanboy)
i recommend it to friends all of the time. but after experiencing webOS i'm starting to wonder why.
EDIT: maybe HP will sell or licence webOS off to google and we can get the best of both worlds?
Since WebOS was released on the Pre few years ago I always wanted to try this OS as I mostly heard good comments about it and it looked good.
I must say that WebOS on a tablet is WOW! I love it.
I really hope new apps will be developed and that I will be able to continue to use WebOS.
I like my Android phone, but I would be happy continuing having a WebOS tablet.
I have heard that the HP Touchpad has a 3G and 4G wan aready on the chip and just waiting for software to activate. Just like the Nook color bluetooth that it never came with but was activated within Gingerbread.
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I really hope we will get the dual boot option. I would love to use that UbuntuChroot on it while enjoying Froyo or GB
I've always been interested in webOS ever playing witha mates palm pre. The cheap touchpads seemed like a great way of getting a webOS device.
I don't understand why people want to remove webOS, however I can understand trying to port android apps to it.
I'm still waiting delivery of my touchpad, cant wait to get playing around with it.
Does anyone know if I can mess with the browser so I can access chrome webapps?
I bought for two reasons, price and Android. For $149 you cant go wrong, I thought of buying more to try and sell for a small profit but decided against it. My local Arrons had one in their store, but had access to 6 more WebOS looks cool, but I am not familiar with it at all. I really dont care to learn it being WebOS is done. If worse comes to worse and only the Android market/APPS will work on it then I will be happy Heck, who am I kidding, at such a low price I am happy no matter what!
cordell12 said:
I bought for two reasons, price and Android. For $149 you cant go wrong, I thought of buying more to try and sell for a small profit but decided against it. My local Arrons had one in their store, but had access to 6 more WebOS looks cool, but I am not familiar with it at all. I really dont care to learn it being WebOS is done. If worse comes to worse and only the Android market/APPS will work on it then I will be happy Heck, who am I kidding, at such a low price I am happy no matter what!
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The point is, WebOS is not "done." In fact, it sounds like HP is planning to put a lot more into it.
Here is what the VP of Developer Relations said: http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/08/the-next-chapter-for-webos/
Hopefully the Palmdroid project produces results. Because I prefer the webOS experience.
nunjabusiness said:
The point is, WebOS is not "done." In fact, it sounds like HP is planning to put a lot more into it.
Here is what the VP of Developer Relations said: http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/08/the-next-chapter-for-webos/
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Yep, WebOS development will continue.
I really don't understand the cry for Android either. Froyo is not that amazing, Gingerbread isn't that great either. Heck, I have owned quite a few Honeycomb tablets (Xoom, rooted Nook Color, Dell Streak 7) and none of them impressed me.
I get that people here overwhelmingly like Android. But the only merit I can see for putting Android on this guy is for the apps. And, lets be honest, anything besides Android 3.X isn't even optimized for a large display like the touchpad. The Gmail application for example is just a giant list of emails. The WebOS email interface is leagues ahead because it actually takes advantage of the screen size by layering slide-panels instead of just being a giant list of messages!
WebOS is an awesome operating system. The only things holding it back to this point have been total garbage hardware (the Pre was trash) and a lack of developer interest. With HP pushing out hundreds and hundreds of thousands of these tablets in days, its safe to say that development will speed up on the WebOS front. Applications will start to trickle in faster, and things will improve.
The desire to have Android, yet alone a non 3.0 Android, on this thing just seems silly. But whatever, each to his or her own. I for one can appreciate the qualities of WebOS and will keep using it since it is a polished, tablet friendly operating system. After the "oh wow look what I did" factor of having Android 2.X on a tablet wore off, I realized non-Honeycomb Android on a tablet really sucks.
I already have an Android Tablet...it's cool.
I bought this for a cheap price, to have as a "coffee table" device for cruising the net and checking email. Maybe a youtube video once in a while.
AND...when you register the device you still get 50GB of cloud storage through box.net. I'm looking forward to using mine and have no intentions of putting any other OS on it...
I am a huge android fan, but Ill admit that after using the TP for a few days, WebOS is hands down a better tablet OS. Its just so much more structured. Thats why Im looking forward to see what comes out of the Palmdroid project. From my understanding, theyre trying to port the Dalvik VM over to WebOS which will allow android apps to run in "cards".
Been checking this every day for the past week now
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1230723
aim1126 said:
Webos is probably my favorite tablet os now. The problem is there's no Apps for it. I bought the touchpad for my girlfriend yesterday and she said she loved it but after 10 minutes of just checking facebook and some websites she was like, ok what now?
They need more games optimized for it and better prices
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WebOS is dead Install Android 3.2 Honeycomb
Haha no, not at all. This is the worst OS I've ever touched. The OS is overall sluggish and not made for a fluid experience what so ever.
I just had mine fail to download a 30MB System update about 10 or so times.
Browsing the poor apps in the market takes a minute to load each individual apps page.
The pre-installed "apps" are a link to go download it on the market which takes the aforementioned minute load of the page.
The best app would have to be the youtube app that opens up the browser to Youtube.com, absolutely ingenious!
It has. . nothing. On it. I can't even find apps if there were good apps, you can't go to the top of free apps.. there is either top, paid, or free search tabs but not a top free.
Even the browser leaves me yearning for more as I sit there and watch the checkered white boarder all over.
Is anyone else thinking about actually USING WebOS?
Yes, me!
Im running psycho-f15c-kernel-touchpad_3.0.2-41 on my ToychPad at 1.9GHz 100% stable! This thing is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaast!
Best and fastest Tab ever and WebOS is simply extraordinary... what a loss that that the best Tab EVER is discontinued and the most elegant and accomplished OS for a tablet has been sentenced to death. I have an ipad2 that I really like and a Samsung Galaxy Tab 7" that I use as my phone running Android 2.3.
Nothing touches WebOS, nothing! And nothing touches the speed of the Touchpad at 1.9Ghz! Ill use and love the Touchpad for as long as I can can, even iwht limited apps and an OS that is frozen in time. What a great loss, this is just so amazingly great! If HP had launched this a year ago and seriousely wanting to make it a success, this would be for sure the ipad killer... my a million miles.. really sad, but happy I have one and that works so well.
Thank guys for making this thing work so well and fast. XDA is the best community on the internet, period!
I just got my touchpad in the mail and have been playing with it for the last couple of hours. Here is my first impression:
wow, webos is pretty impressive. I owned and used iphones, ipads, android phones and tablets extensively and I can say that webos has the simplicity and user friendliness of ios and the multitasking and openness of android. Kind of best of both worlds. If it had the dev support of ios and android, it would certainly be better than ios and a huge competitor to android.
it is such a shame that it is almost dead. HP should have sold these tabs at $250 at launch ($50 below manufacturing cost) just like they do with the consoles and build dev support. Once established, they would make a ton of money off of their app market by selling media and apps just like apple.
introducing this tab at the same price point as the already established and ridiculously popular ipad with no apps and dev support was a quick and sure way to failure.
Such a shame. I really would have liked to see a mature webos platform as a strong competitor.
ps. I am writing this comment on my touchpad 32gb while listening to grooveshark on another browser window. The speakers are pretty loud and have great audio quality. Too bad Hulu just blocked access.
ps2. I really like the usa today app a lot. Nice job with the design and the use of gestures. That is exactly what touchcreen apps should be like
Defiantly liking WebOS alot but until more development takes place atm I will move to android when it surfaces.
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[Q] How is the app selection on Honeycomb these days... and 4.0..?

How are the apps on the 10" Honeycomb O/S?
I'm running 2.3 on my Nook, but with the TF 2 coming out, may upgrade. When I got my Nook, I was reading that there wasn't much app selection on Honeycomb. Now it looks like Android is looking to roll into 4.0 in the not too distant future.
Will I be giving up alot of app selection if I upgrade to Honeycomb Tablet, or has the last 8 months or so shown alot of app development with all the Honeycomb Tablets that have hit the market?
Love my 7" screen, but could use a 10" for some uses. And a faster performance is always a plus.
I've found that the vast majority of apps run just fine on Honeycomb and 10.1" screens. In fact, I consider it a complete fallacy that there's a small selection of apps for Honeycomb tablets.
If an app runs on your Nook, it'll mostly likely run just fine on the Transformer (or any other). It may be stretched out a bit in some cases, or in others might be blown up and a bit pixelated, but again most of the apps I've tried run just fine and are entirely usable.
At the same time, the number of tablet- and Honeycomb-optimized apps increases everyday. There are quite a few good apps. There's a thread here somewhere that discusses those apps, and I recommend you take a look.
Thanks for the heads up. I think I found it in the other subforum.
Will Google work on a dedicated market section for tablets? I'm tired of going through tonnes of phone apps before finding one optimized for tablets.
I'm not sure. I think they are trying to NOT have separate Phone and Tablet apps. They are pushing for the devs to program the app to auto-sense the screen size and adjust accordingly.
But I've used my TF for a while now and really never had the need to find "special apps". For example, the XDA app isn't "optimized" for Tablets but looks just perfect. Most games and apps never had an issue with screen size. In fact I've never found an app that didn't look right (I'm sure they're out there though).
I did toy around with the Nook Color while waiting for the iPad2 (which I traded for the TF) and while it is a neat toy, it wasn't quite a good experience. The OS seemed to run ok, but the Nook Color is what it is. Aside from larger screen space, you'll find the Transformer (or any real tablet) a much better experience all around.
I am surprised how well the Nook Color ran. I never would have thought it would play games and apps so well. The screen was very nice too but a little too small. I can see a 7" screen being great for a sole device, but when you have a 4" screen on your phone 3" doesn't really make that much of a difference. A phone and 10" tablet work well.
I use WiFi Explorer to share files back and forth. Good tip.
I think that's a terrible decision. App devs simply aren't catching up. And some just don't bother. I too, traded a brand new iPad 2 to buy this Transformer. But every single time I enter the Market, I regret my decision. I feel that it just gives a terrible user experience.
First, forced horizontal orientation. What's that about?
Next would be this issue, the lack of a dedicated tablet section. While most of the apps do work, some apps do have tablet-optimized alternatives out there. But because of how the Market is right now, it's no easy task looking for it.
Another benefit of having a dedicated tablet section is that there will be a separate ranking (top sellers) from the phone apps.
They do have a "Staff Picks for Tablets" section right now - and I hope that they are going to expand on that. Over 90% of the apps listed there are games; not what I bought my Transformer for.
Google may have a decent rationalization behind not going forward with it, but until the devs actually catch up, users are the one suffering.
It's going to be a while before HC/ICS catches up with iPad in terms of number and quality of Apps on Tablets is concerned. In the meanwhile, you can use www.tablified.com to navigate through all tablet-optimized apps on Android.
That's awesome. Thanks for the link!
Manusia said:
First, forced horizontal orientation. What's that about?
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That drove me crazy everytime I opened the Market in portrait orientation. But it's fixed with the new Market in the latest TF firmware update! The new Market's awesome
And the new market offers a selection of the best tablet apps. Has anyonwe seen that already?
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Manusia said:
I think that's a terrible decision. App devs simply aren't catching up. And some just don't bother. I too, traded a brand new iPad 2 to buy this Transformer. But every single time I enter the Market, I regret my decision. I feel that it just gives a terrible user experience.
First, forced horizontal orientation. What's that about?
Next would be this issue, the lack of a dedicated tablet section. While most of the apps do work, some apps do have tablet-optimized alternatives out there. But because of how the Market is right now, it's no easy task looking for it.
Another benefit of having a dedicated tablet section is that there will be a separate ranking (top sellers) from the phone apps.
They do have a "Staff Picks for Tablets" section right now - and I hope that they are going to expand on that. Over 90% of the apps listed there are games; not what I bought my Transformer for.
Google may have a decent rationalization behind not going forward with it, but until the devs actually catch up, users are the one suffering.
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Hate to sound fanboyish here but really? These complaints are hyperbolic and whiny. Orientation? Really?
I've yet to find myself in a situation wishing that an application (or type of application) that i'm looking for came in a tablet specific version. every app i've gotten just worked.
the only exception being launchers...but AFAIK, you can't even change launchers for the ipad.
encouraging devs to develop two versions of their apps is worse for consumers. you have to pay twice for premium apps. (angry birds anyone?)
lastly, just get an ipad. there's absolutely no reason you should be miserable with your TF. i mean cmon, you have to rotate it to horizontal orrientation and everything. OH THE HUMANITY!!!!!
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edit: i just realized you're not even complaining about tablet specific apps..you're complaining about lack of listing for said apps. that's even more superficial. just add 'tablet' to your search. good lord. or tablified.com
but really though, just get an ipad.
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The new market has made it a bit easier to find goo tablet apps. the best source of app recommendations for me though has always been blogs and forums.
Almost all of my most used (and most tablet friendly) apps have been from my news feed.
Some apps that I've found to take advantage of the extra screen real estate, in elegant and useful ways are, News360, (Google) Reader, IMDB, Gmail.
Oh my god, I just noticed that ezPDF pro has been updated with a native HC interface (I haven't had the tablet for a few weeks as the screen needed replacing), nice.
I don't know about you guys but I did not purchase a tablet so I can run phone apps. I don't understand how people are okay with the fact that you have such a big beautiful screen that can hold and display so much information but yet, you settle for an app that does nothing but stretch to fit the screen.
For example, tapatalk is an app that I use almost daily but it frustrates the hell out of me. Maneuvering through forums and threads would be much more efficient if they took advantage of fragments and displayed the threads on the left and the individual post content on the right. The user experience on a tablet should always be better on a tablet than on a small phone and right now, Android is lacking in that UX department due to the lack of tablet apps.
And just because a dev makes a tablet version and a phone version doesn't always mean that you will have to pay twice. Take Plume for example, they have a tablet UI and a phone UI all in one app, thats how it should be! I don't want to use the plume phone app on my giant tablet screen. Whats the point then?
I hate when people say that there are 300,000+ android tablet app....no there isn't-there are under 2k, thats a more accurate number. There's a big difference between an app that works on tablets and an app that was designed with tablets in mind.
and I don't think the other user is being a whiner about the landscape-only market. it annoyed the hell out of me too. Just because it wasn't included to begin with doesn't mean that it was the best choice. If you are not a fanboy then you would point out the flaws and admit that they are real. I love android but I am not a fanboy, if there's an issue, I will point it out. The market has major issues and I hope Google address them soon.
Just my 2cents.
hyperxi said:
That drove me crazy everytime I opened the Market in portrait orientation. But it's fixed with the new Market in the latest TF firmware update! The new Market's awesome
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Really? Awesome! Just waiting for them to put the update back up
finalhit said:
Hate to sound fanboyish here but really? These complaints are hyperbolic and whiny. Orientation? Really?
I've yet to find myself in a situation wishing that an application (or type of application) that i'm looking for came in a tablet specific version. every app i've gotten just worked.
the only exception being launchers...but AFAIK, you can't even change launchers for the ipad.
encouraging devs to develop two versions of their apps is worse for consumers. you have to pay twice for premium apps. (angry birds anyone?)
lastly, just get an ipad. there's absolutely no reason you should be miserable with your TF. i mean cmon, you have to rotate it to horizontal orrientation and everything. OH THE HUMANITY!!!!!
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edit: i just realized you're not even complaining about tablet specific apps..you're complaining about lack of listing for said apps. that's even more superficial. just add 'tablet' to your search. good lord. or tablified.com
but really though, just get an ipad.
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You have low expectations. Not my problem. You know why iPad is leading in the tablet market? User experience. Not just from using the product itself, but when researching as well. I have come across posts like yours so many times when people try to compare iPad and an Android. "Oh gosh just go get an iPad". And they do. Your ignorance is humoring though. Pointing out how Android can be improved gets me labeled as a fanboy. I've been recommending the TF to many of my friends since I got it. The Android Market sucks - doesn't mean I hate everything about the TF.
I'm glad you like the app to dictate what orientation you should hold your tablet. And I'm glad that you're fine with phone apps. Personally, I find tablet-optimized versions much better than their phone counterparts. But hey, I'm just a whiny dumbfuck.
Just add 'tablet'. Heh, if only it works such wonder every time. And while it's good that SOMEONE made the effort to list out the tablet apps, it's saddening that it isn't Google themselves. But what do you care about a simplified user experience?
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Oh my god, I just noticed that ezPDF pro has been updated with a native HC interface (I haven't had the tablet for a few weeks as the screen needed replacing), nice.
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Love ezPDF
Manusia said:
Really? Awesome! Just waiting for them to put the update back up
You have low expectations. Not my problem. You know why iPad is leading in the tablet market? User experience. Not just from using the product itself, but when researching as well. I have come across posts like yours so many times when people try to compare iPad and an Android. "Oh gosh just go get an iPad". And they do. Your ignorance is humoring though. Pointing out how Android can be improved gets me labeled as a fanboy. I've been recommending the TF to many of my friends since I got it. The Android Market sucks - doesn't mean I hate everything about the TF.
I'm glad you like the app to dictate what orientation you should hold your tablet. And I'm glad that you're fine with phone apps. Personally, I find tablet-optimized versions much better than their phone counterparts. But hey, I'm just a whiny dumbfuck.
Just add 'tablet'. Heh, if only it works such wonder every time. And while it's good that SOMEONE made the effort to list out the tablet apps, it's saddening that it isn't Google themselves. But what do you care about a simplified user experience?
Love ezPDF
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i said "(i'd) hate to sound fanboying here but...". i wasn't calling you a fanboy, i'm saying, i'd hate to sound like a fanboy.
this is my main criticism of you.
you: " But every single time I enter the Market, I regret my decision. "
really? the orientation of the market, makes you regret completely of your choice to switching to the android? i don't have low expectations, you are majorly anal. my statement about switching to the ipad is wholy predicated on this statement as well. if the orientation of the market makes you regret your decision to switch...then switch back. This superficial problem is making you want to switch...then switch. i was not generalizing on how you feel about android as a whole....you were doing that. re-read your own post.
next, i also find tablet optimized apps better for my app...who said i didn't?
my critic to you was that you're hyperbolic and whiny...someone already mentioned that google didn't want fragmentation. promotating such a dichotomy would cause fragmentation. your response was: just do it anyway. The android OS is not designed to run on a specific resolution, and google always intended all apps to follow the same paradigm.
for the market to have it's own dedicated "tablet" section means devs would simply mark their apps to work for a certain resolution...which resolution would that be? what resolution qualifies as a tablet? ... suddenly the question becomes vague doesn't it?
what qualifies as an tablet app? is tapalk a tablet app? it runs on my tablet...so i guess it is, right? btw, tapatalk was not intended to be a tablet app...but having been designed correctly, it just works as a tablet app. come to think of it100% of the apps i've tried runs on my tablet actually. so i guess all of those are tablet apps well, right?
who's gonna be the arbiter of the official "tabletness" of an app? google? they're gonna go through all the apps, and all the possible resolution, and determine if "this looks right". the developers? if the app runs on the tablet...is it a tablet app? so if there were such a "tablet" section, wouldn't that just include everything?
i guess the compromise would be for google to put up a "recomendation" list for tablets...not an official list...because such a list would be vague an meaningless, but simply test a few apps for tablets, and reccomend them to people....oh wait, they already do that.
so yea, i'm not calling you a fanboy, i'm calling you anal. if the market's orientation makes you regret your decision to switch...then switch back...your words, not mine.
i'm not an android fanboy, i like reading valid critics of the system...keyword being valid. not whiny, ill-informed ones.
so i guess long story short, your probem is that you're working of a false premise...there's no such thing as tablet apps. splitting the market into such doesn't make sense.
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i said "(i'd) hate to sound fanboying here but...". i wasn't calling you a fanboy, i'm saying, i'd hate to sound like a fanboy.
this is my main criticism of you.
you: " But every single time I enter the Market, I regret my decision. "
really? the orientation of the market, makes you regret completely of your choice to switching to the android? i don't have low expectations, you are majorly anal. my statement about switching to the ipad is wholy predicated on this statement as well. if the orientation of the market makes you regret your decision to switch...then switch back. This superficial problem is making you want to switch...then switch. i was not generalizing on how you feel about android as a whole....you were doing that. re-read your own post.
next, i also find tablet optimized apps better for my app...who said i didn't?
my critic to you was that you're hyperbolic and whiny...someone already mentioned that google didn't want fragmentation. promotating such a dichotomy would cause fragmentation. your response was: just do it anyway. The android OS is not designed to run on a specific resolution, and google always intended all apps to follow the same paradigm.
for the market to have it's own dedicated "tablet" section means devs would simply mark their apps to work for a certain resolution...which resolution would that be? what resolution qualifies as a tablet? ... suddenly the question becomes vague doesn't it?
what qualifies as an tablet app? is tapalk a tablet app? it runs on my tablet...so i guess it is, right? btw, tapatalk was not intended to be a tablet app...but having been designed correctly, it just works as a tablet app. come to think of it100% of the apps i've tried runs on my tablet actually. so i guess all of those are tablet apps well, right?
who's gonna be the arbiter of the official "tabletness" of an app? google? they're gonna go through all the apps, and all the possible resolution, and determine if "this looks right". the developers? if the app runs on the tablet...is it a tablet app? so if there were such a "tablet" section, wouldn't that just include everything?
i guess the compromise would be for google to put up a "recomendation" list for tablets...not an official list...because such a list would be vague an meaningless, but simply test a few apps for tablets, and reccomend them to people....oh wait, they already do that.
so yea, i'm not calling you a fanboy, i'm calling you anal. if the market's orientation makes you regret your decision to switch...then switch back...your words, not mine.
i'm not an android fanboy, i like reading valid critics of the system...keyword being valid. not whiny, ill-informed ones.
so i guess long story short, your probem is that you're working of a false premise...there's no such thing as tablet apps. splitting the market into such doesn't make sense.
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My bad on misreading that sentence of yours.
Regretting my decision while in the Market isn't just because of the orientation, but rather the whole experience of using it. Other issues such as poor search results (which I find ironic, considering Google) are also present.
It's great to have an app that adjusts to different resolutions, but right now the phone apps that do it are simply stretching it out. There's a lot of real estate on the screen that could be put into great use, but simply aren't.
You have a good point at "what constitutes a tablet", but manufacturers are already good at differentiating their product categories. And considering the fact that they are customizing the OS for their devices, it boils down to them to classify their devices. Apps can still work the same way of dynamically adjusting according to resolution, but also having a different layout if it's used on a tablet.
Having a dedicated section makes it easier to browse for apps. What if a dev simply wants to focus on building an app for tablet (ie. simply not suitable for phone resolutions, though it may still run)? The app will then be put into the same market where existing phone apps may be overshadowing it. If there was a section for tablet-optimized apps, the app can get more exposure to the right target market. It benefits both the dev and the user.
I don't mind you calling me whiny or anal about it. I have my own expectations. I call yours low, though you may feel it's not. Whether or not it's a valid complaint to you, that's your own opinion - but there are many out there who have similar complaints.
As for the orientation, like I said, why have an app dictate what orientation you use it at? Especially a native app. Anal, arguably yes, but these minor points simply build up to the users' experience. I know many Android phone fans that feel that Android's tablet market is really not yet there. While I agree, I have my reasons for choosing the TF - as it does excel in some other aspects.
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You know why iPad is leading in the tablet market? User experience.
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You misspelled "marketing."
It stuns me that for all the Apple propaganda everywhere you look, you barely see any Android tablet manufacturers advertising. The few ads you see are generally wireless companies trying to sell you their service that happens to come with a tablet.
I have a few friends who are Apple fans, and every one of them (a) enjoyed my tablet after playing around with it, and (b) had never heard of "Asus" or "Transformer."
Apple really ingrained themselves in American culture with the iPod / iPhone revolution, and even heavy advertising may not help Asus. But eventually Apple will fall; see Nintendo in the late 90s.
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what qualifies as an tablet app? come to think of it 100% of the apps i've tried runs on my tablet actually. so i guess all of those are tablet apps well, right?
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No..no it doesn't.
A tablet app is an application that has a revamped UI that takes advantage of the screen real estate. The UX of that app should be greatly enhanced when using the app on a tablet vs using the app on the phone. Of course, the idea of an 'enhanced UX' differs from person to person the former should remain constant; an app with a revamped UI that takes advantage of the real estate of the tablet.
Its a rough definition but its definitely one that thousands of people agree with.
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No..no it doesn't.
A tablet app is an application that has a revamped UI that takes advantage of the screen real estate. The UX of that app should be greatly enhanced when using the app on a tablet vs using the app on the phone. Of course, the idea of an 'enhanced UX' differs from person to person the former should remain constant; an app with a revamped UI that takes advantage of the real estate of the tablet.
Its a rough definition but its definitely one that thousands of people agree with.
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can you get computers to agree with that? the criteria you're using is one of aesthetics. android app binaries all look the same. UX is not quantifiable. the only way to create such a system is via an opt-in system, where a dev can just mark their app as "enhanced for tablets" on their own definition of the criterion. that does not make for a very sound system.
I'm not seeing your point here.
Aesthetics enhance UX. Consumers don't care about binary, they care about how the app looks on a big tablet.
Like I said, the app can have one binary with two different UIs. Its not a complex concept. Its been done before and it should continue to be done by developers.

Can my questions be answered???

Hi everyone, i have a couple of questions, now im in no way a troll or anything but i was thinking to switchin to wp, im with android at the moment i have a galaxy note.
Basically i just wanted to know what does wp 7.8 or even the upcoming wp8 devices have thats different to say an android or ios phone? I have no experience whatsoever with wp and would just like to know why you as users love your devices, ive seen the videos of the nokia 920 on youtube and it looks absolutely amazing, the reason i would like to switch is probably the fluidity of the os but other than that is there much else a reason to swap, even if someone could post a link as to reasons why wp is a good os that would be great, once again im not a troll i just have no clue about the operating system at all, i was curious about broadening my horizons abit many thanks if anyone can enlighten me
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Obvious troll is obvious.
And three question marks is rude.
I just said i werent trolling are u stupid???
Its people like u who make xda such a nasty place to be in, i had a genuine question cos i was seriously thinkin bout switchin from android to wp, so i say to u to stop being so paranoid bout trolling when someone asks a genuine question oh and stop spamming my post with useless comments, if u thought i was a troll then why bother using ur energy and time to post in the thread, ur the troll causing needless arguements
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Your question would be better asked in the WP8 forum. No need to beat this horse.
You watched the videos , you should have a pretty good understanding of the OS. What you see is exactly all there is to it, nothing more.
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Hi everyone, i have a couple of questions, now im in no way a troll or anything but i was thinking to switchin to wp, im with android at the moment i have a galaxy note.
Basically i just wanted to know what does wp 7.8 or even the upcoming wp8 devices have thats different to say an android or ios phone? I have no experience whatsoever with wp and would just like to know why you as users love your devices, ive seen the videos of the nokia 920 on youtube and it looks absolutely amazing, the reason i would like to switch is probably the fluidity of the os but other than that is there much else a reason to swap, even if someone could post a link as to reasons why wp is a good os that would be great, once again im not a troll i just have no clue about the operating system at all, i was curious about broadening my horizons abit many thanks if anyone can enlighten me
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The reason why i love my Windows Phone is the design, the minimalistic design which is "modern" since 1950 till today that style is modern like black and white clothes. the second thing is that i dont need so much apps for every possible thing. i dont need to know how my wp7 works to manage it to work for months.
3rd what i love is the durability, i switch my wp7 only off if i have a new rom (that happens maybe once a year ). In wp7 you dont need to feel that your device uses you, you have the full control over the functions what your device can do for you. you dont need to bother if the device is gonna shut off at any time, no bother about slowdowns or maybe even forcing to restart like i saw multiple times on my brothers stock HTC evo 3D.
and the 4th are the live tiles, you spend way less time customizing and arranging your live tiles then on android the look and feel.
5th. my battery last now in my device over one day and 10 hours, and my battery is 1 year and 3 months old. and only 1500mAh! the lumia 920 has 2000mAh, just imagine what can be done with it. and how long it lasts.
6st. wireless sync with my pc, all my videos and pictures get synced automatic if my device is charging anywhere in my house.
7th. the people hub, there i have all the news from twitter, facebook, windows live, and linked in in one "app" that doesnt have a loading, if you have internet it download instantly the news if you switch to the "news" tab in the people hub.
8th. i love the overall simplicity of wp7, no bunch of setting for each app, instead microsoft has found the middle way, settings for all apps together. and i think it is a good way despite users say "i need a seperate volume ringtone and seperate volum for sms" you use your device or you dont use it you have volume turned on or off. thats what i need, nothing in between.
9th. i love the bunch of new developers with new app and functions like the official FC Bayern football app, if i'm not at home it send me an instant notification about goals, and the result is on the live tile, it is visible even without opening the app, thats only one example of apps that i like (instant news and info without opening app) - so to say "on the go"
10th. a wp7 has not every of my friends. i dont like mainstream to much.
11th. reason why i love windows phone 7 or 8 or 7.8 is that making apps for them is really easy (i heard from various developers that developing for iOS is a pain in the ass), with a few books and tutorials and some practice everybody can make an app, as an student you get an free dev center account where you can publish your apps and even earn money on them.
12th. reason is i'am 24h online, so i get emails instantly, news about my buddys... my brohter turn its wifi off on its Android HTC EVO 3D because he says it drains its battery... i dont like that. if it is a smartphone let it be a smartphone 24h not only 2h daily.
and WP7 is truly a smartphone, it makes my life easier, much.
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1. The main strength is its UI. Even after almost two years of ownership, I still get amazed watching smooth animations on my phone. It simply never ages, never slows down. Even typing on its keyboard feels quite amazing.
2. Second biggest strength is its exclusive apps. For example, Nokia Drive served me many times and quite beautifully. Nokia Group Shots is extremely handy and blows my friends away. Photosynth is just mindblowing (now available on iOS as well)! MS Office is quite useful. My phone quite easily connects to all kinds of WiFi networks with proxy settings, no hassles at all! Xbox avatar (see my xda avatar) is just so cute and achievements add a new dimension to games.
In a small summary, it's some small things which can't be mentioned on specs sheet which makes WP7 truly amazing. It is so wonderful that I can't even care if my phone is not getting WP8 upgrade. I'm actually far more looking for a slew of new Nokia apps like Xpress browser which has saved me 84% data so far
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1. The main strength is its UI. Even after almost two years of ownership, I still get amazed watching smooth animations on my phone. It simply never ages, never slows down. Even typing on its keyboard feels quite amazing.
2. Second biggest strength is its exclusive apps. For example, Nokia Drive served me many times and quite beautifully. Nokia Group Shots is extremely handy and blows my friends away. Photosynth is just mindblowing (now available on iOS as well)! MS Office is quite useful. My phone quite easily connects to all kinds of WiFi networks with proxy settings, no hassles at all! Xbox avatar (see my xda avatar) is just so cute and achievements add a new dimension to games.
In a small summary, it's some small things which can't be mentioned on specs sheet which makes WP7 truly amazing. It is so wonderful that I can't even care if my phone is not getting WP8 upgrade. I'm actually far more looking for a slew of new Nokia apps like Xpress browser which has saved me 84% data so far
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So refreshing to see such a positive note for WP7.x! :good:

What Do You Want To See in Android 4.3/5.0 ?

There are probably a few other threads like this, but I didn't really see any so I decided to start this one. Just to make it clear, these things are purely a wishlist, not rumors, and some of these things aren't even to be expected. Just purely for wishful thinking and conversation.
I'll start with the things that bother me most about Jelly Bean.
- Better Multi-Tasking & App Integration: If you're coming from iOS, then what we have is probably easy to live with, but its buggy. For instance, apps seem to get "confused" on what's really opened where. For instance, if I share a picture to Instagram from the gallery or Dropbox, and i go home afterwards, opening the respective app will bring me to Instagram, and opening Instagram will bring me somewhere completely different inside off Instagram. It's like Instagram is running twice. What Google needs to work on is actually having Android switch apps, instead of opening it inside of the other one.
- Rotation: I'm surprised I've never seen this posted anywhere else, but if you use an iOS device and you rotate it, the transition from portrait to landscape (or vice versa) is smooth. extremely smooth. don't give me wrong, Android rotates smoothly too, but the transition doesn't "connect" . Because what Android does is rotate the whole operating system (think of rotating a windows pc), whereas iOS rotates just the UI. The operating system itself doesn't seem to rotate. Ex: If you watched a YouTube video on an iOS device in landscape, when it's over or you go back, the landscape video just slides away with the app in portrait "behind" it. If you've seen it before you'd know what I mean. Android should do this also. Instead of rotating the whole OS, just have the UI rotate.
- Update Fragmentation: This issue will probably never be resolved, because google has almost no say so in what manufactures do with android, but 4.2 is out right? So why are 4.1 devices still shipping? Android has a nav bar now right? So why are devices still shipping with capacitive buttons and menu keys? This is why some devs haven't implemented the 3 dot overflow button in some apps I suppose. Also manufactures are abandoning devices that are still capable of running the latest versions of Android. For instance, the HTC Desire Z (T-Mobile G2) , HTC Desire HD (AT&T Inspire 4G) , and the Galaxy S 1 (which was basically a Nexus S) should've all been updated to AT LEAST 4.0. The updates for the S1 should have stopped when the Nexus S stopped receiving updates actually.
- Skins / OEM UI's - Another issue that will probably never be resolved. Skins were completely understandable up until 4.0 in terms of looks. Android is now a pretty good looking OS and doesn't need a skin. Also, if google were to implement most of the CM features, manufactures wouldn't even need to add features. (If it were up to me, all phones would come with CM, lol.) Also, why they choose to replace built in applications that are never updated is beyond me. If everyone kept the skinning to a minimum, we could have timely updates.
App Unification: I've seen this one so many times. Apps like Google Voice/Messenger/G Mail/ Etc. are all separate apps, but preform the same action, or somehow work together. Much like Google Earth, Maps, and Street View. Why not combine all of the similar apps, and save space and confusion.
Responsiveness / Smoothness: I'm gonna keep this one short, because Android gets better and better with each update, but it could be better. Swipe your finger across something like a webpage quickly and watch it follow behind your finger, whereas on other OS's the page will "stick" to your finger.
The "Back" Button: Something I'm sure we all get confused by at least twice a day. It's supposed to bring us to the previous screen until we get to the home screen, but at times, it'll take you places in apps you've never been, skips screens you've been too, etc. Basically, only half of the time it works at advertised.
Auto Brightness Calibration: Everyone's preferences for auto brightness is different, so why not be able to adjust how bright or dim you want it to be?
There are more things that I'd like to see in android, but at the moment this is all i can think about. Feel free to reply saying something you'd like to see in Android 4.3 / 5.
x2 battery performance > it's enough for me now
Some nice suggestions, but yeah Android needs a culture change where a phone continues to receive updates up until the updates surpass the phones capabilities. It sucks to see good phones left behind, I do understand the custom ROM argument but for everyone this isn't ideal
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Excellent background process contro that should not eat too much battery easily and touchscreen responsiveness this is the only thing i expect currently.
Everything sounds pretty good except the on screen keys. No thanks.
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I think the best way to solve the OEM issue is for samsung, htc, and other manufacturers to make apps which are independent of any framework so that it can be easily updated to the latest android because porting an app is easier than a whole framework
Increase the battery by 10
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They need to get rid of the slow and bloated java garbage in the core system apps. Google spouts about optimizing this and streamlining that to improve performance. They prelink the core libraries to further improve performance. And then they go and use a crappy, slow virtual machine language for most of the system.
Java is fine for apps in the app store for developers that dont know c/c++. It should not be used as extensively in the core of android as it is.
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They need to get rid of the slow and bloated java garbage in the core system apps. Google spouts about optimizing this and streamlining that to improve performance. They prelink the core libraries to further improve performance. And then they go and use a crappy, slow virtual machine language for most of the system.
Java is fine for apps in the app store for developers that dont know c/c++. It should not be used as extensively in the core of android as it is.
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You sound like you hate android lol
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I can't think of anything because I fail at imagination so ill just say things I want from skinned androids that should be added to stock.
1. Smart dialer. Pressing numbers should look up contacts like t9.
2. Battery percentage in status bar. I don't know if this is due to patents that aapl has but Samsung and lg get away with having it.
3. Able to remove home screens. I only use 4-5 and I want the ability to remove the rest like every oem skin.
4. Power saver. Battery life is very important and android needs a way to make it last longer.
5. Facebook contact sync. Not sure why this is not allowed on stock Android.
These are my top 5. As for something new I would like them to improve on giving apps permission. I think every app should ask you when you first start it if it can be allowed to use your gps and if it can be allowed to send push notifications. It's the only thing I like on ios and it'll help with a lot of notification spam.
Also, why does the new gmaps look better on ios than on android. That's not acceptable.
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My biggest problem is the update process of 3rd party android manufacturers. Android 4.2 has been out for a couple months yet my Galaxy SII was only recently updated to 4.1. I know it is more than capable of running 4.2 as I'm running aokp/cm10.1 right now so I'm wondering why? Even the SIII is still on 4.1 and if a couple of guys (aokp/cm10.1/paranoid android) could port within a month or two then why can't major companies who have hundreds of employees. Just look at what the paranoid android team has accomplished with P. A. 3.0 it's like a new version of android, all done within a few months. That said, I like to have the latest updates on my phone so with this being my first Android phone, I think I might bypass anything that isn't a nexus. Google or somebody needs to put their foot down
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Yeh. I definitely have to agree with the touchscreen's responsiveness. Aside from that, battery performance really needs to be optimized.
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I've never understood why everyone wants oem skins to go away. If that happened every phone would be the same so there would be no incentive for say Samsung or HTC to even make phones. The skins are what makes android. Why would I buy a nexus versus a HTC pure android phone?
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I think from now android should work on its AI and Virtual Memory to makes itself so smooth and powerful !
i saw a video clip that compare 2 powerful cellphone Galaxy S III and IPhone 5
in first look Galaxy S III has 4 core and IPhone has only 2 but IPhone is powerful enough to defeat its opponent !
Why ? there's one , only one reason to say the IPhone is too powerful and it's its OS !
IOS is very powerful than android !
if u don't satisfy just go and do a search about it !
i want android to work on it's AI !!
I realize this is stupid but...
With the androidx86 project (that I think is KILLER!!!) I'd like to see them either implement desktop support or do things that would entice more people to get involved. How bad ass would x86 running and then being able to use your phone as a second screen be? Or as remote access? And since they are both natively running (relatively speaking) it would be a real remote desktop as compared to jittery/almost remote desktop on a phone.
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Everything sounds pretty good except the on screen keys. No thanks.
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the thing about them though, is they're future proof in a way. look how the menu key is becoming obsolete, but it's still going to be on certain devices no matter what.
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My biggest problem is the update process of 3rd party android manufacturers. Android 4.2 has been out for a couple months yet my Galaxy SII was only recently updated to 4.1. I know it is more than capable of running 4.2 as I'm running aokp/cm10.1 right now so I'm wondering why? Even the SIII is still on 4.1 and if a couple of guys (aokp/cm10.1/paranoid android) could port within a month or two then why can't major companies who have hundreds of employees. Just look at what the paranoid android team has accomplished with P. A. 3.0 it's like a new version of android, all done within a few months. That said, I like to have the latest updates on my phone so with this being my first Android phone, I think I might bypass anything that isn't a nexus. Google or somebody needs to put their foot down
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imho, i think manufactures want to release their new flagship with the newest OS to attract customers (which is really doesn't) . our devs here shows what can be done. with a whole team like HTC/Samsung/Etc has, we should all see updates within a month or less. devs can do it on their own, so why can't they?
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I've never understood why everyone wants oem skins to go away. If that happened every phone would be the same so there would be no incentive for say Samsung or HTC to even make phones. The skins are what makes android. Why would I buy a nexus versus a HTC pure android phone?
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i like skins, don't get me wrong. i have a note ii, and i miss sense daily. they just over do it sometimes. i personally get very annoyed by touchwiz, and you have much more freedom on AOSP. i think apps should just be backward compatible all around.
You say the you would like to see the back button "fixed". I have never got why people always say this. For me anyway, the back button has always performed how I would expect (take me back to the previous screen). Don't get me wrong, android has plenty of flaws, but I don't think this is one of them.
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You say the you would like to see the back button "fixed". I have never got why people always say this. For me anyway, the back button has always performed how I would expect (take me back to the previous screen). Don't get me wrong, android has plenty of flaws, but I don't think this is one of them.
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it works for the most part, but it glitches occasionally.
MadManMark said:
Some nice suggestions, but yeah Android needs a culture change where a phone continues to receive updates up until the updates surpass the phones capabilities. It sucks to see good phones left behind, I do understand the custom ROM argument but for everyone this isn't ideal
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One of the biggest reasons I only stick with Google backed Android devices (Nexus 4, Galaxy Nexus, etc.). It's the device manufacturers and the phone companies that hold up the updates. I've heard numbers where HTC can get the update out 3-4 months after Google releases it, but Verizon could add another 6 months to that timeline. Not quite sure what the exact reasons are for the delay =(
Considering some of the Google Now features, I'd love to see Google buy/license Tasker so that it becomes and integrated part of Android, at least for some key items:
WIFI, GPS, Ringer settings, Sync settings, etc. Those features would be amazing.
It would also be great if I could say: "Turn on WIFI/GPS/Autobrightness, Sync Calendar, Turn off ringer, etc" while in Google Now and have the action executed.

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