Build number didn't change after update? - Eee Pad Transformer Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

My TF came with 8.2.2.6.1. I just finished the 8.2.3.9 update. It said it was successfully updated. But, the build number still shows 8.2.2.6.1 in settings. Anyone know what's going on?
It isn't recognizing the update on the microSD card anymore either (ie, no update notification).

I had this same problem with one of the two I own. I solved this by.
1. Factory Data Reset from within Honeycomb Settings.
2. Tried it again.
It worked on the 2nd attempt.

That worked, thanks!
I still can't hot swap microSD cards though. Anyone have any ideas? It can't be read until the tablet is restarted.

lionclaw said:
That worked, thanks!
I still can't hot swap microSD cards though. Anyone have any ideas? It can't be read until the tablet is restarted.
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You have to 'unmount' the card before you remove it. Press the icon for the card in the notification area, then press the little icon with the tiny red cross on it. Wait until it says its ok then remove and replace with other card.

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Phone won't turn on...keeps restarting

I've read in other forums of this problem but have not been able to find a solution (not entirely true).....when I turn the phone on in the morning, it just keeps restarting without going to the home screen. Sometimes it take 2 reboots sometimes more. The only way it will boot up correctly right from the start is to take the mem card out, so I think that's probably the problem, but it's not a corrupt or problem card. Once the phone starts and I put in the mem card all is fine.
I want to try to format the memory card from the phone, but don't know how to. Anyone else know how to do this? Also any other suggestions or solutions?
I got this once. Somehow i got the phone on. I just took the card out and put it in when its about to restart. Mabye it was luck, but i dont know. But if you get your phone on again, I would certainly format it (clear storage)
Does your phone ever act up again after that? Mine still does. It turns on fine without the memory card in. By the way, how do you format the memory card on the phone?
Mine rebooted all the time until I removed Facade. Hard Reset the phone and didn't install it and haven't had the problem since. I know Facade isn't "compatible" yet with WM6, but other than rebooting it worked fine.
Really....I'm going to try that and see what happens.
For those that have this problem, it's true. Once Facade is uninstalled and a soft reset, the problem went away....
I had this happnen to me for the first time today. I had the phone off all night (was testing another device) and then when I put my SIM back in and powered up it went into this reboot cycle. powerd off, even took the battery out still no luck.
Then I took the SIM out and tried to power up and it came right up. Powered off and put the SIM back and it worked agian first time.
Not sure, but maybe the SIM was not fully seated... since this was the first time I actually took it out since I get the VOX...and this was the first time I had the problem...
Regards -John
I had the same problem, although I never installed Facade, Initially the phone was fine and the it started re-booting on startup. I saw a suggestion of running SKtools and removeing duplicates in the Notification table, this worked for a while, then it came back again.
At first the only cure appeared to be to re-boot without the sd card inserted - inserting it again after the phone was running (it even had the same problem with a blank card inserted)
I then read abot someone putting the phone in Flight mode before turning it off - this also solved the problem - better than removing the card each time.
Mike
After hard reset - lost option to store attachments on storage card
I had the same problem and solved it by hard resetting the device. However after the hard reset the option to user the storage card for email attachments has disappeared from the pOutlook options screen.
The SD Card is OK and I tried to solve it by a new hard reset, but it is still not resolved.
I would be very graefull for the one that has a solution for this.
I have the same problem with my SD card.
With the card inserted the phone keeps rebooting.
With the card removed it starts normally.
When I insert the card when WM6 is running the card is normal accessible.
Tried an other card and also a 1 Gb card. Same problem over and over.
I'm going to try a Kingston card.
If anyone has a solution, I'll be happy to hear it.
i have my microSD inserted when i power on my Vox but didn't have this problem. what rom version do you have? my rom version is 1.15.405.2.
I have a friend with a similar problem. Would appreciate any further input on this situation. Has anyone taken a look at Paul's (from Modaco) answer to soft reset loop????
Check it out and see if it does anything. Want to know if that'll fix it before I take the phone off his hands.
Hi all,
Like many Vox users, I've also suffered from this problem.
I've noticed two scenarios which helped me solve the "boot-loop". Hopefully they'll help others.
I once had a GPRS monitor application installed to my strorage card. Re-installing to the phones memory helped me.
Also, when I had bluetooth turned on, I powered down, powered-up again, and the phone booted okay!
I think theres a few variables involved in this, and no single "silver bullet". Hopefully HTC will provide an official fix soon.
Michael.
Friends,
Thats all humours. Don't need to remove/install any software. All work fine except you reboot and remove your SD card.
Its simple: if rebooting occurs, just remove SD card and once booted, reinsert SD card, simple! nothing else need to do.
Its true that its a bug with WM unfortunately; i don't know when would it be resolved.
i have tried to boot up with 512MB & 1GB sd card but never had this rebooting problem. Maybe you can let me know your current rom code version and i will try to verify the problem?
I have got the same problem my phone keeps on restarting...
when i put the mem-card after restarting it is being opened as storage card 2, and default storage card option asks for turning on the bluetooth.
Re: Rebooting of Vox
Hi,
Had this problem once (and drove me nuts!, I was out on tour, no PC access nothing).
I formatted the SD Card (Its always better to use a card reader and format it from a PC.
Another I had this problem (hope you are not as dumb as me ):
I use TPC and set it to ultra slow . So every time I booted up, the CPU was not simply powerful enough to cater to the power requirement and rebooted. I had to do a Hard Reset. Hope you have your contacts backup before you go for a hard reset
hhs6789 said:
I have got the same problem my phone keeps on restarting...
when i put the mem-card after restarting it is being opened as storage card 2, and default storage card option asks for turning on the bluetooth.
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If you have bluetooth file explorer turned on, it will show as a storage card
i had it long time ago with one of the official htc roms.
The solution is to make loose the simcard-slot in the middle of the booting.
Vox will turn off.
Close and start the phone again.
It should be over then.
Re: Official ROMs
Yeah! The official ROMs suck! actually the best solution will be to switch to a custom ROM from Dr G/FH / fireburned, they are much much better feature wise/ battery backup wise and speed wise. I think HTC should try using one of those ROM as there official ROM

Continous Rebooting

My brand new Vox is continously rebooting. The only way I can get it to boot is to take out the microsd card, then put it back in after it boots. The microsd card works fine afterwoods, but its really annoying.
Anyone else have this problem?
Looks like you installed something which the Vox doesn't like.
Perhaps facade? (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=307378)
Had the exact same problem. Removing the microSD worked also.
Afterwards it was working fine. The problem started after installing
BatMonitor on the device. Removing it solved the problem permanently.
I would suggest you go through the programs you installed and check
to see wich one is causing the issue.
Thanks guys, I have a feeling you are both right and it is a programs I have installed. I wonder if it's newsbreak as my data file is on my microsd card. I guess I should wipe the device and start over....
For a temporary fix, remove the MicroSD, boot, then put the MicroSD back on.
For a more permanent fix: Install SKTools Lite and run the "Notifications Queue" tool. Then Press ACTION > Mark Duplicates. If you scroll down you will see some duplicates checked. Next press ACTION > Delete marked.
That should keep you running for a while. If the problem re-appears in the future, repeat this procedure.
Thanks. I read that post on Modaco too, but it didn't work for me. For now I just remove the microsd card when I reboot. I guess I will wipe the device and start over at some point...just had everything I wanted loaded right
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For a temporary fix, remove the MicroSD, boot, then put the MicroSD back on.
For a more permanent fix: Install SKTools Lite and run the "Notifications Queue" tool. Then Press ACTION > Mark Duplicates. If you scroll down you will see some duplicates checked. Next press ACTION > Delete marked.
That should keep you running for a while. If the problem re-appears in the future, repeat this procedure.
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Had the same problem. Thought it was the Facade, but it turns out not. I don't know what it is but I basically did a hard reset. Put everything I wanted back into the phone and than turned on without MSD card. Once it rebooted, I put the card back in. Since than no reboot problems so far.
I had the same problem, although I am not sure if it is related to installing any particular program. Initially the phone was fine and then it started re-booting on startup. I saw a suggestion of running SKtools and removeing duplicates in the Notification table, this worked for a while, then it came back again.
At first the only cure appeared to be to re-boot without the sd card inserted - inserting it again after the phone was running (I even had the same problem if a blank sd card was card inserted)
I then read about someone putting the phone in Flight mode before turning it off - this also solved the problem - better than removing the card each time.
Mike
yep, this happened to me, although i have no programs installed on my S710! (tho it did have a nasty drop onto the ground - which shouldnt realli affect it)took out the card, and it booted up fine! i keep my phone on 24/7 normally but had run outta battery!
Cheers!
Formatting the MicroSD card worked for me
Problem came back again today, and sett flight mode did not fix it, then i found this http://www.modaco.com/Continuous-reboots-t256186.html
which suggested renaming omap850_sdhc.dll to omap850_sdhc.dll.ol
but in my S710 I only have omap850_sdhc_mux.dll and that file is in rom and I can't copy or rename it.
Looks like it might be a sd card driver bug.
Mike
wizgnome said:
Problem came back again today, and sett flight mode did not fix it, then i found this http://www.modaco.com/Continuous-reboots-t256186.html
which suggested renaming omap850_sdhc.dll to omap850_sdhc.dll.ol
but in my S710 I only have omap850_sdhc_mux.dll and that file is in rom and I can't copy or rename it.
Looks like it might be a sd card driver bug.
Mike
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have you tried to edit the file with a copy of total commader??? sorry if it's such an obvious question...
I did try this with Total Comander!
Looking around at other posts/forums it looks like it is a WM6 problem. Probably related to the SD card driver.
At the moment the only consistant suggestion, is to reboot with the SD card removed and insert it when the phone is back up and running.
I managed to get the phone to boot with the SD card inserted!
I know that when booting that I do not run any applications which are installed on the SD card. But the home screen does display things which are located on the SD card - in particular the skype plugin, and the mru list display icons from files located on the SD card.
I change my homescreen to "Sindows Simple" which does not contain either of these and re-booted.
The phone came back up first time!
- Is windows trying to access the card too soon - before the driver has loaded maybe?
Mike
wizgnome said:
I managed to get the phone to boot with the SD card inserted!
I know that when booting that I do not run any applications which are installed on the SD card. But the home screen does display things which are located on the SD card - in particular the skype plugin, and the mru list display icons from files located on the SD card.
I change my homescreen to "Sindows Simple" which does not contain either of these and re-booted.
The phone came back up first time!
- Is windows trying to access the card too soon - before the driver has loaded maybe?
Mike
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Not sure if its trying to access it to soon but with my HTC Herald I had similar problem. By removing and home screen plugin's related to the memory card, as well as any other links to the memory card such as storing PIE cache and saving pictures it seemed to work for a bit, but just as I thought I solved it, the problem re-appeared. Paul seemed to have fixed the issue for ppc's (sdhc dll that was causing the problem)but it doesn't seem as though the solution can be carried over because the vox is not SDHC. Another cause the some speculate is that there are multiple notifications that boot at the same time, maybe cleaning these would help.
On another note I have just upgraded my friend's vox to the dopod rom and it seems as if the problem has disappeared (hopefully for good.) I will try to invoke the problem again by running programs from the memory at boot and see if this nag has been squeezed out by HTC sister company. Has anyone else tried to upgrade to the dopod rom???
cheers
Hi,
I had previously removed duplicate notifications and ensured that no applications on the SD card were run at start up, including setting the browser cache back to the phone memory.
I can now cause the problem to occur or boot normally just by switching homescreens.
I edited my home screens xml to remove all plugins that refered to applications on the sd card, including the mru list - this home screen allows normal boot. The other version causes the re-boot loop.
Mike.
I can confirm that my numerous attempts to invoke the boot-loop after upgrading to the dopod rom have thankfully failed.
neptune 1
boot loop 12083798
Ok so maybe the boot loop has gotten the best of me (atleast 40 hard resets) over the past couple of months, but the problems have been choked to death on my herald and the vox...any last words...
EDITS if this mf'er pulls an Arnold like "I'll be back" I swear ima go all terminator on this phone and blow it to pieces with a pack of m-80's
I managed to solve this problem on my phone by renaming the directory "/windows/Autorun/Storage Card" to "/windows/Autorun/OldStorage Card"
Maybe it would help in your cases..

Issue with SD card on Dexter's Froyo 1.3 - Help

I've been using Dexter's froyo v1.3 for a week or two now, with basically no real issues. About 3 days ago or so, when I powered on my phone - you know how the sd card symbol appears in the status bar right when u turn on phone, it's loading sd card - so I see that symbol, but unlike how it usually is, it doesn't go away after a second (after it's loaded). So I pull down status bar and the icon says "checking for errors" and it doesn't go away at all. SD card just won't load. Oh I should mention -just remembered - I turned it on and I got "error with sd card, you may have to reformat" (or something like that) right before and then it just changed to "checking for errors" after I took out the sd card and reinserted.
Anyways, so my SD card isn't loading, right. I figured it might have something to do with the fact that I was using the SD card that came with it which is low class (2). I tried putting it in an SD card reader and put into my computer and it showed up and worked with no issues. But it just wasn't working on my XT720. So what I did was, I happened to have an extra micro SD card lying around (this one class 4) and I put it into the XT720. It worked just fine. That was a few days ago.
A few hours ago, I was using my camcorder on XT720. After using for quite a while I got "sd card not present, sd card must be present to use camcorder". I left the application and went to settings and my sd card was registered as present. I then went to gallery but I got the same "sd card not present" thing. My phone felt very hot at the time, which I assumed because I was using it for a while. I figured it might be an issue of overheating causing weird things. So I decided to power off my phone for a while and see what happens.
Upon turning on my phone, I was greeted with the SD card icon in the notification bar and upon pulling down; "Checking for errors". Now this new SD card won't load.
This is a really big issue for me, because I really need the SD card for stuff. Both SD cards seem to work fine in SD card reader on PC. Please let me know how I can fix this...
(sorry for making this so long, just wanted to have all info available).
....
Apparently this looks like a huge, long unresponded to issue for many people and not specific to Dexter's Froyo: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2500
I'm going to try some of the solutions people posted, but problem seems unfixed for majority of users .
Gaaaaaah. My Android experience has been plagued with far too many issues....
What sucks is that if I want to flash back to stock to try to use warranty, I'm going to have issues if I need an SD card....
It seems you've already determined the issue, you have excluded the SD card(s) as the source of the problem. This leaves one thing - your phone is defective.
Flash it back to stock and send it in for service.
This issue has absolutely nothing to do with what software is on your phone.
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This issue has absolutely nothing to do with what software is on your phone.
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Yup, I've determined that as you can see in my edit... :-/
How can I flash back to stock without SD card?
syrenz said:
Yup, I've determined that as you can see in my edit... :-/
How can I flash back to stock without SD card?
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You don't need the sdcard to flash a stock SBF with RSD lite.
I kept having same problem. If u are using move 2 SD or anything like that select auto and not Justin external I had to reformation my card about 3 times b4 I figured it out. Dexter posted somewhere not to use these apps.
similar issue with sd card
The only problem I've had with my sc card is that most of the time after my phone has been rebooted, the sd card will show up as not present once the phone has completely finished booting. Sometimes I can just reboot again and it will pick up on it but usually what I have to do is shut it down, remove the card, start it up and then once it indicates the sd card is not present I can reinsert and it loads just fine. I have an 8gb class 4 that came with the phone.
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You don't need the sdcard to flash a stock SBF with RSD lite.
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This is very good to know. Thanks.
easye420 said:
I kept having same problem. If u are using move 2 SD or anything like that select auto and not Justin external I had to reformation my card about 3 times b4 I figured it out. Dexter posted somewhere not to use these apps.
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Nah, not using anything like that.
pillar2004 said:
The only problem I've had with my sc card is that most of the time after my phone has been rebooted, the sd card will show up as not present once the phone has completely finished booting. Sometimes I can just reboot again and it will pick up on it but usually what I have to do is shut it down, remove the card, start it up and then once it indicates the sd card is not present I can reinsert and it loads just fine. I have an 8gb class 4 that came with the phone.
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I tried that once (it was something mentioned in that link I posted) but it didn't work. I'll probably try it out again before attempting to use warranty.
I would also try reformatting the sdcard, just because Windows can read it doesn't mean there aren't issues with the card.
K, so I put it in SD Card reader and into PC and began transferring all the files on the card to a new folder. During this process I got a pop-up a bunch of times telling me specific files were corrupted and unreadable and couldn't be transferred (mostly music filer for the most part). I then formated the card to delete the remaining corrupted stuff. Now put into phone and it registers as being there and now things like camera are working.
Gonna have to see how it fares when stuff are actually on the card, but for now things are looking good.
Thanks for the help guys, will update if I encounter further problems.
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And after transferring some music on to it, it still seems to be working fine. Needless to say, I'm quite happy I don't have to go through the hassle of flashing stock and then trying to get a device exchange for warranty...
Though I am slightly worried that the device itself will corrupt things again (since my other SD card also worked fine for a few days). But I did also do a complete factory reset so perhaps there was some app causing issues that no longer will... Guess we'll see what happens.
I had problems with my stock (Cincinnati Bell) SD Card doing a similar thing -- showing up as no card inserted. Sometimes rebooting did the trick in fixing it. Then my phone fried and quit working. I thought it was related.
After I received a new (refurb) from Motorola as a warranty replacement, I used that same card and was getting the same error. So I upgraded to a new 32GB class 4 card and still got the error. I upgraded to Dexter's ROM and it still continued. I'd keep rebooting (three to four times sometimes) and eventually it would go away.
Then I decided to pull everything off the card, reformat & give it an ext3 partition using the method in the video tutorial in these forums. I haven't had the issue since -- it's been about a week now.

[Q] Phone keeps losing installed apps on SD card

So I've been having this issue for about a week now. All the apps installed on my phones SD card once I reboot are not loading up. I know the data is still there because the first time that it happened I spent the better part of day freaking out thinking everything was gone gone. At some point I thought of checking of the data by plugging in into the computer. Turns out (1) all the apps miraculously return (2) I can't mount the SD card anymore (3) I can't unmount the SD card anymore either.
What is the deal? It's kind of annoying to lost everything every time you reboot. I'm not really in the mood to tether my phone each time for the unforeseeable future just to keep everything loaded. Has this happened to anyone before? What should I do?
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So I've been having this issue for about a week now. All the apps installed on my phones SD card once I reboot are not loading up. I know the data is still there because the first time that it happened I spent the better part of day freaking out thinking everything was gone gone. At some point I thought of checking of the data by plugging in into the computer. Turns out (1) all the apps miraculously return (2) I can't mount the SD card anymore (3) I can't unmount the SD card anymore either.
What is the deal? It's kind of annoying to lost everything every time you reboot. I'm not really in the mood to tether my phone each time for the unforeseeable future just to keep everything loaded. Has this happened to anyone before? What should I do?
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What do you mean, the icons? I'm going to assume that's what you're referring to, for this reply...
If that's what you meant, icons on the home screen take a few seconds to get themselves drawn, if apps are on SD.
You can switch to a different skin then switch back to your original skin, to get them to redraw. Or delete/reposition them one at a time. It's a workaround, but changing the skin temporarily is faster.
It's a sense bug, I'm pretty sure.
Doesn't happen if apps are installed on the phones internal storage, so until they fix it, move your apps onto internal storage, if you don't want to deal with this each time you reboot. They run faster if they're not on your SD anyway.
Unless you have waaaay more apps than you really need, of course.
Sorry should've been a little more specific. The shortcuts on my home screen are all no longer working and I'm well aware of how long it takes for sense to load them up on startup but even when I go to display all apps it only displays the apps on internal storage. In fact each and every app on the card (in the apps settings) has a funny icon that has a little "sd" on it now and just says computing and will not load.
And since writing this I can no longer get the phone to load any apps from the sd card by tethering it to the computer. It's still accessible - just downloaded today's song from amazon and played it - but apps on it are almost like they're gone.
This happens to me sometimes too. But usually when it happens to me I can go into Settings - Applications - Manage Applications and move the troublesome app to internal storage, and then it's fine. It never completely disappears.
It might do you some good to reformat your SD card. Move everything off of it first, then format it, then put everything back on.
Is it the stock 8GB SD card, or a different one?
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This happens to me sometimes too. But usually when it happens to me I can go into Settings - Applications - Manage Applications and move the troublesome app to internal storage, and then it's fine. It never completely disappears.
It might do you some good to reformat your SD card. Move everything off of it first, then format it, then put everything back on.
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Sold, since I can no longer access the SD card and I've got nothing to listen to at work...
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Is it the stock 8GB SD card, or a different one?
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Yup.
@homeslice976 copied, formatted (made sure it was FAT32), copied everything back and no dice. Same symptoms, Apps will not load.
@zuriken I don't know why you asked about the stock SD card or not, do you think it needs to be replaced? It's only been since February.
Cwluc said:
@homeslice976 copied, formatted (made sure it was FAT32), copied everything back and no dice. Same symptoms, Apps will not load.
@zuriken I don't know why you asked about the stock SD card or not, do you think it needs to be replaced? It's only been since February.
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Did you do a full, not quick format? Scan for bad sectors/errors?
Scott_S said:
Did you do a full, not quick format? Scan for bad sectors/errors?
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full format, chkdsk /f, still nothing though. This is honestly getting to the point where I'm tempted to switch to another phone. Why can't I access my stuff?
Another new bonus, every time I get some sort of alert it now plays random MP3s from the SD card. What is going on...
Cwluc said:
full format, chkdsk /f, still nothing though. This is honestly getting to the point where I'm tempted to switch to another phone. Why can't I access my stuff?
Another new bonus, every time I get some sort of alert it now plays random MP3s from the SD card. What is going on...
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I'd try a brand new, good quality SD card before resorting to switching phones.
Have you flashed any custom roms or anything? I didn't see you mention either way.
Scott_S said:
I'd try a brand new, good quality SD card before resorting to switching phones.
Have you flashed any custom roms or anything? I didn't see you mention either way.
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It's gonna be a little while until I can try a new SD card but I'll get back to you.
The only ROM I loaded was the one to originally root that removed the uploading cap from ATT.
I also solved where the random sounds were coming from apparently it doesn't want to play my selected theme and no matter what I do the only one that works is the original HTC default 2010 one or if I download any only the Celesta theme plays... I have a sinking feeling that copying all this funky data isn't going to resolve anything but I'll give it a go.
Cwluc said:
It's gonna be a little while until I can try a new SD card but I'll get back to you.
The only ROM I loaded was the one to originally root that removed the uploading cap from ATT.
I also solved where the random sounds were coming from apparently it doesn't want to play my selected theme and no matter what I do the only one that works is the original HTC default 2010 one or if I download any only the Celesta theme plays... I have a sinking feeling that copying all this funky data isn't going to resolve anything but I'll give it a go.
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Good luck.
Since you haven't been messing with multiple roms and such, I don't know what else it could be, other than the SD card taking a dump.

[q] sd card damaged??

my phone is running android revolution hd 1.1.14
now that thats out of the way lol, i was in the middle of downloading 2 apps,one finished so i installed and then launched it and my screen went black, so i let the phone sit for about 5 mins waiting for the app (Backbreaker 2) to possible load. The game never loaded so i attempted to go to the home screen,go back,turn the screen on and off,nothing worked. So i removed the battery,put it back in, the phone runs fine and everything works *EXCEPT* my SD Card doesnt work. When i turn the phone off it says "sd card safe to remove". So i go into settings and try to mount the sd card,my phone tells me "sd damged" in the notification bar. When i press that it asks me to format it,when i try to format it it says "external memory in unknown state".
I just wanted to know if this has happened to anyone else and if so how/if they managed to get a fix.
I have an official (paid retail for it lol) 8gb Sandisk class 2 sdhc that ive had for over a year that has never given me any issues.
Ive searched around and found the same problems with other phones (vibrant,hero,desire) and i got mixed answeres between hardware (both sd and phone) and software.
Tried to make sure all the information i could think of was in there. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Does it work on another device? Do a full, low-level format and try again.
i havent had a chance to try yet. im currently at work and have no access to another card or phone. Definatly will try a low-level format on my laptop when i get home.
I work with and "older" group of people lol, i think the newest phone after mine is a sprint pcs clamshell lol

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