Ive noticed that 4g signal strength drops drastically when holding the phone normally in portrait mode.
Are u guys experiencing the same issue?
Sent from my LG-P999 using XDA App
xdmds said:
Ive noticed that 4g signal strength drops drastically when holding the phone normally in portrait mode.
Are u guys experiencing the same issue?
Sent from my LG-P999 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If I hold the phone by the top half with my hand cupped over the top, I can get it to lose reception. I doubt that will ever be an issue though.
Sent from my LG-P999 using XDA Premium App
If my hand covers the bottom of the phone (which is always when I hold it in portrait mode), then my signal drops significantly. Is this normal for this phone or is it an isolated defect?
I don't have any issues with that myself
I think you're on your own on this one OP.
xdmds said:
If my hand covers the bottom of the phone (which is always when I hold it in portrait mode), then my signal drops significantly. Is this normal for this phone or is it an isolated defect?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1 I reported this a while back. I also noticed that my Speck case which tightly holds the phone case seemed to cause signal problems...I've since removed the Speck.
xdmds said:
Ive noticed that 4g signal strength drops drastically when holding the phone normally in portrait mode.
Are u guys experiencing the same issue?
Sent from my LG-P999 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i notice it sometimes. ive experienced that with some of my other devices. it only occurs here and there. havent had a dropped call one*knock on wood* and im expecting a case in the mail so that will solve the issue anyway.
This happens on many small phones where antennas are near the housing , depending where you hold it you'll affect the antenna's reception. For xeample, On the EVO if you hold the top half the 4G reception decreases, and the bottom half the wifi and cdma decreases
All of you, please research antenna attenuation.
This will happen in all phones where the antenna is near the surface. Signal does not travel through your hand as easy as it does air.
The iphone issue was more pronounced because the exterior antenna. Also, one could ground out the antenna completely by bridging the sections.
That is a deathgrip issue. Just a decrease in signal strength is an attenuation norm.
Although signal does seem to drops data speeds on this phone are faster than my mt4g even when my g2x shows lower signal so i guess its not rly a problem
Sent from my LG-P999 using XDA App
xdmds said:
If my hand covers the bottom of the phone (which is always when I hold it in portrait mode), then my signal drops significantly. Is this normal for this phone or is it an isolated defect?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This happens to me too. Especially in poor signal area. I would drop 3G/4G signal all together, and go to 2G.
+1 to this, I've noticed when I stick my phone in my boxer briefs that the reception does indeed drop down to nil
thank god for wifi calling though
For my phone I have 4G icon on screen and no bars, I can get call in my house finally.
It never ceases to amaze me how no matter what, there seems to always be some people that go out of their way to find something wrong with their phone. I really don't get it. Some people are probably better of with a Razr....
mysterioustko said:
It never ceases to amaze me how no matter what, there seems to always be some people that go out of their way to find something wrong with their phone. I really don't get it. Some people are probably better of with a Razr....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Was just thinking, **** add another thing to the issues list even though its not a problem... If theres a thread others will believe it.... So now everyone trolling this thread thinks theres a death grip issue when there is not..
mysterioustko said:
It never ceases to amaze me how no matter what, there seems to always be some people that go out of their way to find something wrong with their phone. I really don't get it. Some people are probably better of with a Razr....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
LOL !!!
update: I went to exchange my phone yesterday and it turns out that phone was just defective.
this new phone I have (although we went through like 3 and they all had backlight bleed) does not have signal drop when I hold it.
I believe the antenna is indeed on the bottom of the device. If you remove the back plate you'll see a sticker on the bottom of the phone. Try covering that sticker completely and you'll see your signal drop.
According to some people, after removing that sticker, they attained a slightly better and consistent signal.
Since removing it, I've noticed a much faster, better amd consistent connection, WAY better now. Hard to believe a silly sticker could cause so much trouble hahahaha
Sent from my LG-P999 using XDA Premium App
I had removed the sticker last night and I got 1 more bar and my dl/up speeds improved. Was getting Max 1.5 - 2 dl and 500 up now I get up to 10 megs down and 3 up in my house.
Sent from my G2X using XDA Premium App
Related
While not holding the phone I get around -79 - -83 dBm signal strength ... while holding the phone normally from bottom.. my dBm signal goes to around 99-105 dBm and signal drops 2-4 bars. Haven't talked on phone so I'm not sure if this will affect talking. Anyone else having similar issue?
n0kia916 said:
While not holding the phone I get around -79 - -83 dBm signal strength ... while holding the phone normally from bottom.. my dBm signal goes to around 99-105 dBm and signal drops 2-4 bars. Haven't talked on phone so I'm not sure if this will affect talking. Anyone else having similar issue?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Every phone does that. Captivate did it too.
This, everyone phone does it. When you actually make a call, the radio's power increases so dropping calls shouldn't be a problem (due to your phone at least)
Also if you notice in the SIM card cover, there is a metal piece. It is a part of the antenna
The antenna appears to be in the bottom removable cover so if you cover it with your hand it will be lower though I don't see how you can hold your phone that way while talking as the antenna would be near your cheek.
While I have my issues with AT&T and their data plans, I have to say that after 4 years with them, this has been a (non)issue with all the phones I've used on their network, as well as the phones I had on T-Mobile. This "problem" has been around as long as the cellular phone itself. I can only describe this "problem" as an Urban Legend that has no effect on actual usage.
Thanks for all the comforting words of wisdom.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
n0kia916 said:
Thanks for all the comforting words of wisdom.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm sorry if I sounded short and dismissing. I should note that I've only had one phone that wasn't an HTC phone (Samsung Captivate). While I have noted a visible signal loss on all of my cell phones (AT&T and T-Mobile), none of them have yeilded an actual drop in signal resulting in a dropped call. Maybe I'm lucky??
n0kia916 said:
Thanks for all the comforting words of wisdom.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
LOL!
Mine has been ok so far, i can see a drop in signal when covering but has not dropped or reduced call quality yet
Your not holding it right
Sorry to bring up an old topic but i am having this exact same issue. When i'm holding my phone i lose signal and can't surf the internet or get phone calls. This is become very annoying to me and tempted to switch phones because of it.
Does anyone think software update, custom roms, new radios, or kernals will be able to cure deathgrip to an extent where the level is acceptable.
my sensation wifi deathgrip doesnt bother me much, its the deathgrip for the antenna, i just hold it naturally and it drops from 3 4 bars to 0-2 bars.
also unknowingly i have dropped a call twice
ikhzter said:
Does anyone think software update, custom roms, new radios, or kernals will be able to cure deathgrip to an extent where the level is acceptable.
my sensation wifi deathgrip doesnt bother me much, its the deathgrip for the antenna, i just hold it naturally and it drops from 3 4 bars to 0-2 bars.
also unknowingly i have dropped a call twice
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Its the design of the case. Take the back case off and its even worse.
lightforce said:
Its the design of the case. Take the back case off and its even worse.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yeh i know, i dont like it, wifi isnt an issue for me i can cope with holding it, but i feel the network signal isnt as good as it should be, i have had two calls drop unknowingly, not sure if it was sensations fault or not, but compared to my dhd im always one or two bars down, sometimes none while my dhd does have signal
This only causes an issue if you have a very weak signal, it really isn't worth worrying about, none of the top end Android phones (or iPhone for that matter) are good to have if you're in bad signal areas.
Calls shouldn't drop either, as more power is sent to the antenna when you're on a call. The severity of it seems to vary between the phones at the moment.
there are already 2 threads discussing the issue, why make another one?
xnifex said:
there are already 2 threads discussing the issue, why make another one?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
think software update, custom roms, new radios, or kernals will be able to cure deathgrip to an extent where the level is acceptable.
whether there is a chance these could improve it a little bit.
Not sure why but I'm feeling like beta tester of HTC Sensation.
I think everyone have problem with deathgrip its only depends how you holding the phone.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA Premium App
joshua3m said:
Not sure why but I'm feeling like beta tester of HTC Sensation.
I think everyone have problem with deathgrip its only depends how you holding the phone.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I disagree. I've tried holding the phone flat, smothering it, normally, I can't see a significant problem here. The signal (mobile or wifi) only drops if it is very weak to begin with, most phones have this problem.
It doesn't seem particularly potent to me at all.
Robboftw said:
I disagree. I've tried holding the phone flat, smothering it, normally, I can't see a significant problem here. The signal (mobile or wifi) only drops if it is very weak to begin with, most phones have this problem.
It doesn't seem particularly potent to me at all.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have no issues either.
I find that since I haven't viewed an example of said death grip, I haven't performed it. Once I see how it's done, it'll bug the never ending ****e out of me.
Out of sight out of mind.
im coming from a nexus s , now that had wifi signal problems.. this phone is hella better
Profondo_Rosso said:
I have no issues either.
I find that since I haven't viewed an example of said death grip, I haven't performed it. Once I see how it's done, it'll bug the never ending ****e out of me.
Out of sight out of mind.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It wouldn't matter anyway as if you aren't having issues now you won't have issues while trying to perform it.
Robboftw said:
It wouldn't matter anyway as if you aren't having issues now you won't have issues while trying to perform it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
cool i dont know why im letting it getting to me, i mean having one or 2 network bars isnt bad???
ikhzter said:
cool i dont know why im letting it getting to me, i mean having one or 2 network bars isnt bad???
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If your post is being sarcastic, then I advise you that you probably have a weak signal, and therefore you are experiencing other problems.
If you have a really strong signal with another phone and then lose it by doing the 'death grip' on your Sensation, your antenna is probably faulty.
I don't have any issues with my sensation ay all.
Could someone please try this. death gripped my antenna until I had no network signal. 0 bars
Made a cal with zero bars to the 02 pay and go top up line and to my other phone. Cal went through fine with 0 bars showing for network signal while deathgripped.
I can still make a clear cal while death gripping my network signal to zero bars.
Anyone else confirm this
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using XDA App
Go into your WiFi settings and hit the menu key. It will bring up an advanced settings menu. There is a box that you need to check. It's called "Best WiFi Performance". Once I checked this box, my WiFi signal stayed strong when holding it in Landscape. I tested this 2 rooms away from my router. I haven't noticed a decrease in battery performance either.
Nice, works well.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA Premium App
This might have helped... maybe. I said in the main thread about deathgrip I saw no change but maybe I was wrong. If it does help, it doesn't help a ton for me. This is easy for me to test at work where our wifi is not the greatest and it's easy to lose a signal. I still lose all bars with true deathgrip (which I would never use) but lose 1 or 2 bars while using it in my normal landscape mode. Pretty much the same thing I saw before turning on the boost but maybe I drop two bars less now. Too iffy for me to tell.
Wonder what the added power drain is by using this.
I'm wondering if an invisibleshield for the HTC Sensation will fix this problem, because I remember it did so with the iPhone 4. Hrmmm. Any thoughts?
this method doesnt seem to help my device at all... man, im sooo bummed about this issue....
digiholic said:
This might have helped... maybe. I said in the main thread about deathgrip I saw no change but maybe I was wrong. If it does help, it doesn't help a ton for me. This is easy for me to test at work where our wifi is not the greatest and it's easy to lose a signal. I still lose all bars with true deathgrip (which I would never use) but lose 1 or 2 bars while using it in my normal landscape mode. Pretty much the same thing I saw before turning on the boost but maybe I drop two bars less now. Too iffy for me to tell.
Wonder what the added power drain is by using this.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
did u notice any changes in battery life after using the boost?
Hitting walmart for a replacement. I thought I could handle the issue but I can't and its unacceptable. And this time, I'm checking for EVERY possible bug that has been found before I exchange it. Only bummer is that I put a screen protector on the sensation I have now. I have to use the last screen protector now
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA Premium App
Jackasaur said:
I'm wondering if an invisibleshield for the HTC Sensation will fix this problem, because I remember it did so with the iPhone 4. Hrmmm. Any thoughts?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The problem with the iphone 4 was that your finger would bridge the gap between the 2 antenna and ground it, thus reducing the signal.
The problem with the sensation is your hand is blocking the antenna, so adding a case/cover may actually block even more signal.
This only helps a tiny bit.
I've tried this option, not to fix the "death grip", but to improve overall WiFi performance, and it seemed to drain my battery quicker than normal. Also didn't seem to really help.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA Premium App
Doesn't help. I still lose 1-2 bars in landscape. Oh, and you can also try putting alu foil between the contacts of the cover and the phone (that didn't work for me either, but it did for someone else)
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e
My WiFi is absolutely terrible. I have a case on, and if I put my sensation face up on my wooden table, the wifi will die. If I put my hand anywhere near the upper-back, such as in landscape mode, the WiFi dies. This is with Wifi on best performance and when I normal get 2-3 bars of service.
Also, my wifi constantly cuts out even if I leave it in a position that should have signal. For example, in the 2 minutes I took to write this post, I turned wifi on and placed the phone face down on the table. This should be the best way to keep the signal. One minute later, I checked the phone, and the wifi was dead. This basically makes wifi calling absolutely useless.
I'm really beginning to get pissed of because of this. This isn't a death grip issue. This is just a plain utterly crappy wifi signal issue.
thanks for this, it did help a bit.
Bsketball said:
My WiFi is absolutely terrible. I have a case on, and if I put my sensation face up on my wooden table, the wifi will die. If I put my hand anywhere near the upper-back, such as in landscape mode, the WiFi dies. This is with Wifi on best performance and when I normal get 2-3 bars of service.
Also, my wifi constantly cuts out even if I leave it in a position that should have signal. For example, in the 2 minutes I took to write this post, I turned wifi on and placed the phone face down on the table. This should be the best way to keep the signal. One minute later, I checked the phone, and the wifi was dead. This basically makes wifi calling absolutely useless.
I'm really beginning to get pissed of because of this. This isn't a death grip issue. This is just a plain utterly crappy wifi signal issue.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Get a new back cover from HTC (they give one for free under the warranty), but don't mention the WiFi problems. Just tell them it's loose or something. Here's the number.
888-617-1113
aNYthing24 said:
Get a new back cover from HTC (they give one for free under the warranty), but don't mention the WiFi problems. Just tell them it's loose or something. Here's the number.
888-617-1113
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Would the back cover certainly solve my issues?
Bsketball said:
Would the back cover certainly solve my issues?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It might. Worth a shot. Its free so what can it hurt.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA Premium App
scmurphy13 said:
I've tried this option, not to fix the "death grip", but to improve overall WiFi performance, and it seemed to drain my battery quicker than normal. Also didn't seem to really help.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This.
If you use an app like wifi analyzer and you toggle the option you can see what it's doing is sending more power to the wifi antenna/chip. Your signal is stronger with it on but it definitely makes the battery drain faster, it did for me so I leave it turned off.
It even says in the option that it will decrease battery life. Can't get clearer than that.
Sent from my thumbs to your eyes using a Sensation 4G
Especially after the update this option actually cause a huge battery drain and it doesn't improve performance much.
jrwingate6 said:
It might. Worth a shot. Its free so what can it hurt.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Alright, have a new battery cover coming in. Let's hope this one works better. Does the battery cover really have much of an effect on signals though? I don't see how it could without a redesign...
Bsketball said:
Alright, have a new battery cover coming in. Let's hope this one works better. Does the battery cover really have much of an effect on signals though? I don't see how it could without a redesign...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't know but there has to be something going on if my new Sensation doesn't have the problem but my other 3 did.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA Premium App
So, I've been afflicted with the death grip issue at home something fierce. If I hold the phone in landscape mode as if I were to type with my thumbs, the wifi cuts out. It doesn't seem to matter how close I am to the wifi router or if I turn on Wi-Fi best performance. At home, the network is configured to use 802.11g for compatibility with some older devices.
At work, I run an 802.11n network (I'm the IT Director). While I've got much better access points and better line of sight, I have similar sorts of distances. With 802.11n the death grip issue seems less significant. The network never drops out completely (I lose maybe a bar) although network *traffic* seems to stall to a degree. This is true even if I go into other rooms where I don't have great line of sight.
I'm still doing some surreptitious testing (since I have work to do, too) but I thought I'd ask the rest of you if you're having seriously issues with the death grip, what mode is your wifi in? 802.11g or 802.11n?
I really haven't had this problem, when I hold it in landscape it goes down 1 bar but comes right back,I'm starting to think its device related ,just like the HD2 some of them had wi-fi issues and it was just the hardware couldn't do nothing about it but exchange the device
I used to have this issue until I changed the wifi performance to maximum and out a gel skin case on. Now mine doesn't even drop a bar from 2 rooms away.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
How do you set the WiFi to maximum?
Thanks in advance
adamtheluck said:
How do you set the WiFi to maximum?
Thanks in advance
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Menu/settings/wireless settings/wifi settings/menu/advanced settings/set wifI on maximum performance.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
jrwingate6 said:
Menu/settings/wireless settings/wifi settings/menu/advanced settings/set wifI on maximum performance.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you
I would notice the signal go down when I held it in landscape but it never dropped completely but last night I got the real effect of it. I was streaming a movie from my computer and viewing it on my sensation using splash top (only about 15-20 feet away from the roiter) Everytime I held the sensation and touched the "death grip" spot my video would stutter.. Tried setting the wifi to max performance and I have the tmo gel case on.
I guess one difference between this and the Iphone antenna-gate is that if HTC does consider it a problem and does fix it, they only have to replace the back cover and not the whole phone
I heard someone said foil on the outside helps out the issue, but it looks really ugly. Wonder if we can come up with a fix that can be done on the inside of the cover. Maybe attach more wiring to the connections or something..
Wonder if those cheap cell phone singal booster on the inside cover would help out at all.. hey if foil did then maybe one of the will shrugs
I just have to say I don't think this "death grip" is a hardware issue .... I think it is a software issue. I had a g2 and flashed cyanogen ... Worst WiFi reception ever. Went for a more stock based Rom and bingo! Also I noticed if you turn off mobile networks from the task bar and turn on WiFi, you will have superb WiFi...
On the sensation of course. Lol
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA Premium App
jrwingate6 said:
Menu/settings/wireless settings/wifi settings/menu/advanced settings/set wifI on maximum performance.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I gave you a thanks for this
jrwingate6 said:
Menu/settings/wireless settings/wifi settings/menu/advanced settings/set wifI on maximum performance.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the tip!
Trying to Figure out the Wifi-Death Grip Issue
Something Odd happened to me, i wanted to share with the rest of the comments here because i have not been impressed with my Sensation's performance so far. I have had the normal low volume and the erratic sense speeds along with what Phil showed when trying to use the carousel, but nothing was more annoying as with the wifi issue. I got it five feet from my router and i have two routers and one is open and one has PS2K. I tried it with and without the cover and behold i lost my signal when i held it in landscape or put it lying flat. I decided i needed to go to a T-mobile and complain about it, but while i was waiting to be attended, i went ahead and started playing with the sensation they had on display. To my surprise i could not duplicate the issue at all, I checked their version and went to the advanced setting under wifi and it was no put on maximum performance. I pulled out mine and as you could imagine, i could not duplicate the issue anymore. I was puzzled because although i lost some bars, it remained connected and i did not lose the signal completely or as easily when i was at home. I decided not to look like a fool and when across the street to a Best-Buy, and logged onto their open network and had no issue again i tried to put the death grip on it, put it in landscape or lay it flat on it's back and although i was looking some bars, i could not duplicate what was going on at my house. I went back home and reset my routers and the issue is still there. So from what i can tell, i think we may need to find out if this issue is with some routers only or with the encryption used.
FYI: I have a N1, IPad2, HD2, MY3G and don't have any wifi or death grip issues with any one of them so i am seriously leaning to a software issue.
Whatever, the issue i can see Why Phil and a lot others do not see this issue and i can understand why a lot of us are experiencing the issue. Hope something is found out soon.
Routers i use:
DLink (DIR 601) Open network
Ambit WPA2-PSK
(i have tried changing channels and updating firmware on both routers)
Hi peeps, is anyone else having issues with reception on the desire s, i find when the phone is in my pocket, or if i am lying down with the phone under my pillow sometimes the signal just goes completely.. i have a app installed which alerts me when there is no signal so i am instantly aware of when it happens.. just wondered if anyone else has had the same problems and any solutions or reasons why this is happening..
amzlondon said:
Hi peeps, is anyone else having issues with reception on the desire s, i find when the phone is in my pocket, or if i am lying down with the phone under my pillow sometimes the signal just goes completely.. i have a app installed which alerts me when there is no signal so i am instantly aware of when it happens.. just wondered if anyone else has had the same problems and any solutions or reasons why this is happening..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i've never encountered this problem, maybe your in an aeria with bad reception? maybe it has something to do with your antenna being covered when its in your pocket or under pillow?
maybe you could try flashing new radio ?
Silenti91 said:
i've never encountered this problem, maybe your in an aeria with bad reception? maybe it has something to do with your antenna being covered when its in your pocket or under pillow?
maybe you could try flashing new radio ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
there was a problem with desire s which was called the death grip, i believe (or something similar). I'm not sure if people still get it or just don't mention it but i believe it happened when there was pressure placed on the back of the phone. Try it. Just place your hand against the back of the phone (with slight force) and see if the signal drops.
dan-fish said:
there was a problem with desire s which was called the death grip, i believe (or something similar). I'm not sure if people still get it or just don't mention it but i believe it happened when there was pressure placed on the back of the phone. Try it. Just place your hand against the back of the phone (with slight force) and see if the signal drops.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The death grip happens as you said, but it affects WiFi signal, not data signal. Personally I've never had data signal issues, apart of course when I'm on the mountains
Sent from my HTC Desire S using XDA App
willywally93 said:
The death grip happens as you said, but it affects WiFi signal, not data signal. Personally I've never had data signal issues, apart of course when I'm on the mountains
Sent from my HTC Desire S using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's what i thought too, but i looked at the original thread and the OP said he had huge drops in data signal too so i thought this could be similar to that.
dan-fish said:
there was a problem with desire s which was called the death grip, i believe (or something similar). I'm not sure if people still get it or just don't mention it but i believe it happened when there was pressure placed on the back of the phone. Try it. Just place your hand against the back of the phone (with slight force) and see if the signal drops.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I am in London, on tmobile so I doubt my area has bad reception as I still have full reception and connected to hsdpa.. I tried putting my hand on the back and with slight force I notice a 1 bar drop from full bars.. I advise people to get the no reception app which notifies you and logs when reception is gone and restored, you mite be experiencing it aswell but don't know about it when it is in your pocket
Sent from my HTC Desire S using Tapatalk