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Gingerbread with 2.2 Kernel

Hi,
Well we have an Froyo Kernel (UK,Orange,Chinese) well the guys at the XT720 got Froyo with 2.1 UK Kernel to Work.
Someone gonna try 2.3 with 2.2. UK/Orange Kernel?
That would be something really nice we could work on
Cause with 2.2 UK / Orange we have perfect working Froyo, now there ist only 720p (half done) ,FM-Transmitter (seems impossible) and finally Bootloader Cracking(really hard work) left for Developers
We could use CM7 or Milestone Gingerbread Port
Regards

the guys that are working on milestone baked a fully?! working gingerbread, can't the same method they used to get it working on milestone be used for our defy? i also read that custom kernels can be loaded on droid x and milestone
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/pr...5-getting-custom-kernels-running-droid-x.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=941346
can anybody make an attempt!?

I dont care about pays rom or s.froyo all what we want is stock gingerbread or even cm7 but no more froyo blur roms plz!!!

Bendary said:
I dont care about pays rom or s.froyo all what we want is stock gingerbread or even cm7 but no more froyo blur roms plz!!!
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personal i dislike motoblur!
my defy's rom are deblurred!! the dream its to have a cyano porting for our defy!

Can someone describe to me what a deblur rom is cz it still looks like blur to me.

adi4motion said:
the guys that are working on milestone baked a fully?! working gingerbread, can't the same method they used to get it working on milestone be used for our defy? i also read that custom kernels can be loaded on droid x and milestone
http://www.droidforums.net/forum/pr...5-getting-custom-kernels-running-droid-x.html
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=941346
can anybody make an attempt!?
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Unfortunately I can't find any information that they actually used the kexec method to load a fully custom kernel. I'm hoping they are still hiding it for the public to get rid of bugs. I fear though it's never going to happen. Despite that fear, a true CM7 on our Defy with a Moto kernel would already be quite nice. The custom roms so far are nice, but they are nothing more than adaptations of the original firmware. There is still Moto stuff in them, and don't we all just want to have Gingerbread on our Defy?

Honesty.... Gingerbread is the worst update google has done.. might as well wait for Icecream for some REAL update besides some phone off animations. Before we even got a froyo rom I attempted to port it with advice I got from dexter awhile ago... obviously didn't work.
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All I can say is can't wait for blurless tmous froyo (cue jboogie)

2.3 doesn't seem to do much really...

It would be nice to have the latest ginger just to have the latest ginger to keep our Defy up to date.
I agree with jboogie3, it would be better keep some energy to concentrate our efforts on the next release during this time if you don't like blur stuff I would advise the latest jboogie3 rom which is really fast and as blurless as it's reasonable to be (only miss ginger keyboard which has improvements and drawbacks .
A core CM port would be nice though.
Cheers,
Kribou

I hope Motorola gives defy little ginger, because froyo its close to final release.
I think that Motorola developers will not stop there.
But its only me..
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Jt612 said:
2.3 doesn't seem to do much really...
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Yes, there are few small changes, but if the kernel could be ported that will be nice...maybe in some we could really have fully customizable roms on our defy

I just want 24bit gallery back.

iaio72 said:
personal i dislike motoblur!
my defy's rom are deblurred!! the dream its to have a cyano porting for our defy!
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Unfortunately even the deblurred ROMs aren't running stock apps. They still have Moto contacts, moto dialler, cmp and more at a minimum, not to mention there are moto services you can't get rid of.
It's not that I don't appreciate the work the devs are doing with ROMs but all I really want is a proper Froyo stock ROM, maybe one day I'll get bothered enough to try and make one

bam0 said:
Unfortunately even the deblurred ROMs aren't running stock apps. They still have Moto contacts, moto dialler, cmp and more at a minimum, not to mention there are moto services you can't get rid of.
It's not that I don't appreciate the work the devs are doing with ROMs but all I really want is a proper Froyo stock ROM, maybe one day I'll get bothered enough to try and make one
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Good luck....
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bam0 said:
Unfortunately even the deblurred ROMs aren't running stock apps. They still have Moto contacts, moto dialler, cmp and more at a minimum, not to mention there are moto services you can't get rid of.
It's not that I don't appreciate the work the devs are doing with ROMs but all I really want is a proper Froyo stock ROM, maybe one day I'll get bothered enough to try and make one
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at this moment the most we can do with rom deblur, is to change
some applications aosp with some blur .... not easy to delete all app
motorola, there are some default app that you just replace them, but must rewrite the correct library for it to work properly, such (for example) as a keyboard (or gingerbread Android) ..

Everyone, could you plz save your efforts with all the blur roms and start baking stock roms cz I believe it is possible but just needs alot of work, so to all the devs here can u all work on the same project of unlocking the bootloader and porting stock roms, plz!!!

are you serious?
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Kribou said:
It would be nice to have the latest ginger just to have the latest ginger to keep our Defy up to date.
I agree with jboogie3, it would be better keep some energy to concentrate our efforts on the next release during this time if you don't like blur stuff I would advise the latest jboogie3 rom which is really fast and as blurless as it's reasonable to be (only miss ginger keyboard which has improvements and drawbacks .
A core CM port would be nice though.
Cheers,
Kribou
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Gingerbread keyboard works dandy on my defy.
There is a port for 2.2 devices...
Gingerbread is all in all a nice update. made my hd2 faster, better looking and added this little orange bumps to the lists...
btw: 2.3.3 enables a lot of apps made for multiple processors.

There are many kernel sources (and more sources) available on motodev
ex:
https://opensource.motorola.com/sf/go/projects.moto_defy/frs.defy_skt.jdskt_u3_02_20_0
https://opensource.motorola.com/sf/...ects.moto_defy/frs.defy_latam.jorla_u3_6_14_5
There are sources of the 2.1.1, but i find nothing related to the 3.4.2 build
but kernel Makefile shows v2.6.29 and not 2.6.32

Common Misconceptions About the D2.

So after seeing many things that is said with the D2 I thought I should write a post like this. This is just to clear up confusion so users can have the knowledge to use in the future.
Every ROM for the D2 is AOSP
I have seen this said many times and it bugs me that people think that all ROMs are AOSP. As of now, there are actually only a few AOSP ROMs for the D2, cvpcs' Tanzanite/Obsidian, Cobalt, and blackdroid's Ultimate Droid. Other ROMs like rubiX, Liberty, ApeX, and Fission are basically Motorola ROMs with the blur applications replaced with AOSP applications. Now this does not actually make it AOSP. It has features from AOSP, but there is much more to it than the applications. These blur-based ROMs actually have other AOSP-like features, such as lock screen music controls and a few others. Now that also doesn't make it AOSP, those are just a few features that were originally modifications to AOSP to add more functionality to a ROM. That doesn't mean these ROMs are bad in any way. They are actually very good. The only downfall of them is the fact that they are limited to what can be done.
There can't be AOSP ROMs without a custom kernel.
Another statement I have been told or have seen several times. It is considered AOSP if it comes from Google's source. A kernel won't affect the fact that it was built from source. Although it would be ideal for a custom kernel with AOSP, it isn't needed.
A custom kernel is needed.
This is another incorrect statement. It would be nice to replace the kernel, but it isn't needed. The kernel that is provided to us from Motorola includes basically everything the end user would need. Also there is overclocking(although it isn't the easiest implementation) by adding a temporary module to the kernel that is erased after the phone is powered off.
Gingerbread won't come to the D2 until Motorola releases a new kernel with their Gingerbread update.
Incorrect. What the original concern was that Gingerbread would not boot with a .32 kernel(the kernel the D2 has.) and that it needs a .35 kernel. This was later proven wrong with D1. The D1 has been running Gingerbread for a bit now with a .32 kernel. Now I know people will say it is is a different kernel or something along those lines, but that doesn't matter. Gingerbread will boot on it without needing to replace the current kernel.

Fantastic post. Very clear, informative and I learnt more in the 2 minutes reading your post than the hours I've spent reading other threads.
Top stuff.
"Most truths were once deemed blasphemy"

Whats taking so long for Gingerbread then?!
Nice write up, very informative.

Matt, can you check out the MIUI thread in D2 development? Another developer and I are working on the port but we need someone with really good D2 experience to look over the rom and tell us why it gets stuck on the moto logo each time, we would really appreciate it if you could check it out for us.
Thanks,
ljbaumer
P.S. nice post it's really clear and will help out noobs.

ljbaumer said:
Matt, can you check out the MIUI thread in D2 development? Another developer and I are working on the port but we need someone with really good D2 experience to look over the rom and tell us why it gets stuck on the moto logo each time, we would really appreciate it if you could check it out for us.
Thanks,
ljbaumer
P.S. nice post it's really clear and will help out noobs.
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Matt I would have to ask nicely along with ljbaumer, if you wouldnt mind taking a look at the rom dev section for the MIUI D2 rom!
I know you lost your D2 and no longer have it but anything could help them w/ progress
Would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

Someone should sticky this thread cause it is really useful information

Gingerbread won't come to the D2 until Motorola releases a new kernel with their Gingerbread update.
Incorrect. What the original concern was that Gingerbread would not boot with a .32 kernel(the kernel the D2 has.) and that it needs a .35 kernel. This was later proven wrong with D1. The D1 has been running Gingerbread for a bit now with a .32 kernel. Now I know people will say it is is a different kernel or something along those lines, but that doesn't matter. Gingerbread will boot on it without needing to replace the current kernel.
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This is now irrelevant, take a quick jaunt over to MDW where P3Droid has released full stock moto gingerbread builds for both D2 and DX in update.zip formats (new blur builds). Only catch with them at this time is that no one has figured out how to root them yet, but you can restore back with a previous SBF.

What differences could be expected if GB were to be paired with a .35 kernel rather than the .32 kernel of the current Moto GB leak?

bladearronwey said:
This is now irrelevant, take a quick jaunt over to MDW where P3Droid has released full stock moto gingerbread builds for both D2 and DX in update.zip formats (new blur builds). Only catch with them at this time is that no one has figured out how to root them yet, but you can restore back with a previous SBF.
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I'm pretty sure they've rooted the GB builds... I had superuser access and could boot to recovery and everything. You do have to SBF back to them though, I learned that the hard way.

I am running the rooted Gb and loving it. I would love to see a cm7 version for the Droid 2
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DX is supposedly getting the GB OTA, so the D2 should be next and soon!

Motorola leaked 2.3 motoblur

I just read there was a gingerbread motoblur build leaked by Motorola. I guess they are hearing us complain about there software updates, and an official gingerbread build for the defy might be a reality.
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official froyo takes a long time,
and suddenly now there's a rumour about gingerbread update?

chubb16 said:
I just read there was a gingerbread motoblur build leaked by Motorola. I guess they are hearing us complain about there software updates, and an official gingerbread build for the defy might be a reality.
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can you provide the site link?
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http://www.androidcentral.com/hands...mpaign=Feed:+androidcentral+(Android+Central)
That is a hands on. I say only a matter of time for the defy. It is an insanely popular device worldwide.
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lol.. he cant found phone application.. of course.. there's no "phone" but dialer..
again. all we have to do is wait. and maybe this build come to defy next year or maybe someone just found the betas as usual..

quick question, if this doesn't become available for the defy is there any chance to port it to our phone without breaking the signing?

it possible with a nandroid backup but..its necessary see if the hardware its the same etc...etc...

they have similar hardware but not really the same

I won't recommend to install this Droid X update. It should be possible to flash it via clockworkmod, but the bootloader is only half the size than a normal defy bootloader. If everything goes wrong and you can't go into the flashmode (Vol + while starting) you'll never get your phone back running....

Indeed. And since it's not the same hardware, I do not see how this will help Defy users.
Furthermore, I disagree that the Defy is 'insanly popular'. Amongst current users, probably. But that's the case for any phone that a user picked out themselves.
That said, the author of the video seems rather .. unused to handling the phone, he regularly performs actions that seem to have no effect with the phone he is holding.

we can do a port from droid 2, but it if gingerbread can not be run on 2.6.32 kernel we will have to wait for a leak, for now there are two leaks( droid x and droid2) so who will be the next one?

well it would be awesome to have gingerbread on defy, but i dont think motorola is going to release it this early. and i dont think there is going to be a gingerbread rom for defy until the smart guys on cyanogenmod show some love for the lifeproof device. and its not likely that we are gettting gingerbread right now cuz we dont even have official updates for froyo till today. but its motorola, who knows, they might just release the update right now or even years later. lets hope they do it soon.

I don't think we we'll see an official Gingerbread Update for the Defy EVER. Why should they!? Till now the Defy is not such a high end device as the other Motorola Devices which got Gingerbread already or in near future. I think they only release an Froyo Update and then concentrate on other devices.
Furthermore i guess before they will take some men from their dev team to build a Gingerbread Update for our devices, they will release maybe a device like a Defy 2 with better specs and finally an actual software version.
But how much effort is it to build a official Gingerbread Rom for the Defy at Motorola? They already have a proper Version for the Droid X and the Milestone 2. Therefore it would only be the bootloader with the drivers which they have anyway. Or is it more difficult?
Bye

bihariel said:
we can do a port from droid 2, but it if gingerbread can not be run on 2.6.32 kernel we will have to wait for a leak, for now there are two leaks( droid x and droid2) so who will be the next one?
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N900 runs gingerbread on an older kernel, I hope that it can run using a froyo kernel

Aslong as the bootloader is locked this isn't easy to just port it..
I really don't like this policy of locked bootloaders..
Also I think before releasing a 2.3 for the Defy they might plan a Defy 2 with 2.3 as a "feature"

But about this, as i'm not a developer myself. Isn't is basically possible to sign gingerbread rom on the computer and have the rom in a form of nandroid backup? or a update.zip which you can install from stock recovery?

shad0wboss said:
But about this, as i'm not a developer myself. Isn't is basically possible to sign gingerbread rom on the computer and have the rom in a form of nandroid backup? or a update.zip which you can install from stock recovery?
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To sign you need The Key and we don't have The Key . Motorola's policy.

Can't we flash Droid-Firmware's without the bootloader(will the system boot)?

m11kkaa said:
Can't we flash Droid-Firmware's without the bootloader(will the system boot)?
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Try it...:
- get the droid x zip-file
- delete everything but the system.img
- delete all flashingcommands out the script under \META-INF\com\google\android\
- resign it with signapk
- copy it to your root of your sd-card
- rename it to update.zip
- reboot to clockworkmod recovery
- apply update.zip from your sdcard
- reboot and you'll done
Report back here... doing this won't damage your phone forever...if it does'nt boot any more, you can get it back to life with RSD-Lite and a sbf-file

you can also test with the recovery partition .. its another "kernel + initrd (cpio.gz)"

The CM7 on MOTO XT720

I heard that this forum is a master transplant CM7 ROM, I would like to ask about the current progress
What is difficult to solve the problem?
Can provide the current ROM, I would like to try
Want to provide,
Thank you

I want to start by saying THANK YOU FOR MIUI!!!! You are awesome. And they have got cm7 booting up on xt720 but only if you flash motoroi 2.2.1. But the touch screen is not working. If I were you I'd get with Mioze7Ae. He's the Guy to talk to about it. There is a thread with the ROM download in it in the general thread.

oyang06 said:
I heard that this forum is a master transplant CM7 ROM, I would like to ask about the current progress
What is difficult to solve the problem?
Can provide the current ROM, I would like to try
Want to provide,
Thank you
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stlifey made a port of CM7 to XT701. That is here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1064090
If download links are dead there, let me know and I can mirror/reupload.
I think this is the main development page for the XT701 CM7, but the forum seems to be down for maintenance right now:
http://bbs.gfan.com/android-1297281-1-1.html
It doesn't work on XT720 yet. This is where things stand:
Using Milestone XT720 2.1 sbf
If you use a Milestone XT720 sbf, then it doesn't boot. I've been modifying it and have gotten it to go further with adb logcat working to get some messages out. This is the latest version I've been testing that makes it the furthest before rebooting:
http://www.multiupload.com/ULWN2ERP02
The radio panics and panic_daemon shuts down the phone. If you modify the init scripts, you can disable panic_daemon. Then it will boot to the point that zygote tries to start but has a library link problems so I've changed too many libraries .
From Korean Motoroi XT720 2.2 sbf
sktjdgns1189 figured out that if you flash the Korean Motoroi 2.2 sbf, root, install OpenRecovery, and apply the XT701 update without any modifications it boots up, but the digitizer doesn't work. You can do some things like long press the camera button to get the camera to come up and you can take pictures. See
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1118236
Eventually it will crash and reboot. The bad news is that for some reason after you flash the the Motoroi sbf on Milestone XT720, you can't use volume-up to enter OpenRecovery. So you have to use adb ("reboot openrecovery") to get back into OpenRecovery. But I haven't been able to get adb to startup. So that means you're back to sbf for the next try. I can't figure out why the touch screen doesn't work.
sktjdgns1189 has also figured out how to get the battery notification working:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1124927
Edit: Forgot to mention that we're now pretty sure that sktjdgns1189 has a Motoroi XT720 based on his photos. I've reproduced most of his results on a Milestone XT720.

easye420 said:
I want to start by saying THANK YOU FOR MIUI!!!! You are awesome.
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+1. Very fantastic work on MIUI. Great to see you looking into CM7 as well.

its going to be on android 2.3 right?

eejin2 said:
its going to be on android 2.3 right?
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If someone gets CM7 working then yes that is Android 2.3

Thank you Oyang06 for Miui rom and I wait CM7
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Looks like stlifey plans to release CM 7.1 for XT701 this weekend.
Off topic: Does anyone know what all the "ah"s that Google Translate adds means? I think wiktionary suggests "啊" == surprised+"!"? Also, does anyone know a good place to look up those four-character idioms? There's one about hunters that comes up a lot. Just curious.

lols. ah is like "oh". for idioms maybe you can copy to google then add "english meaning"

khankuan said:
lols. ah is like "oh". for idioms maybe you can copy to google then add "english meaning"
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I see! The google translated posts just seem a little strange because I guess "ah" and "oh" would come at the front of the expression in English. It can seem like reading threads where everyone is talking about Candlejack and then sudde

Haha, just post here if you need any translations awaiting patiently for CM7 Gingerbread XDXD

i can help a little with the translations too, haha. SOOOOO EXCITED FOR GINGERBREAD. i like the stock look of cm7 and of course the turning off crt animation of 2.3. CANT WAIT!
do you think we can get 2.3 miui running on our phone?

eejin2 said:
i can help a little with the translations too, haha. SOOOOO EXCITED FOR GINGERBREAD. i like the stock look of cm7 and of course the turning off crt animation of 2.3. CANT WAIT!
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Yeah, gingerbread is much more attractive than 2.2 and below all around. Plus it's supposed to be faster (and CM is supposed to be even faster) and have other goodies... would be so fantastic to see this for the XT720.

if you want to use adb
just use 2nd-init (default.prop : ro.secure=0, ro.debuggable=1, persist.service.adb.enable=1, persist.factory.allow_adb=1)
(and some code in init.mapphone_umts.rc (it for adb on bootup))
then you can use logcat/dmesg and etc even on bootup

wait and sad

CM7 would be a dream come true.
Best of luck guys, I will be watching

Wish I would know how to contribute to this happening... would make me feel better knowing I was making some progress. Well, hope this goal is attainable.

Dexter_nlb said:
Cyanogen from Milestone could easily be ported, like i did htc sense like on milstone... the issue is requirements and added extra button and fm radio.
but the rest would work from a milestone release.. fairly easy to do.
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I don't wanna sound arrogant and I really appreciate what you guys are doing, but am I missing something?

My take on that is their talking about milestone not milestone xt720.
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My take on that is their talking about milestone not milestone xt720.
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No, Dexter posted that in his XT720 thread. I saw that the other day and was considering mentioning it, but I'm sure Mio and others are doing everything already.
Here's the post Dexter is responding to:
"From my understanding of the situation, Cyanogen is out of the question, for now. Dexter's roms are modifications of the official MOTOROI XT720 2.2 (KR) for our handsets. Due to the bootloader lock placed on the phone by Motorola, we can't compile our own systems based on the android sources.
Anybody correct me if I'm wrong with my situation assessment. "
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Though if Dexter feels it's so simple I wish he would elaborate for the benefit of our devs, just in case he knows something they don't.

ICS4.0, WebOS, Aliyun OS, Ubuntu, etc vs. Moto Locked Bootloader?

is it safe to say we wont be able to load any other OS but Froyo on the XT720 unless we get the Boot Loader unlocked?
as i recall the only reason we got CM6 and CM7 to work is because we are still piggybacking off from the old eclair 2.1 kernel or something like that.
will that still work if we move on to ICS 4.0, or if we try to completely load another OS?
Ubuntu is well know to run on many android devices, and now Ubuntu is even planning to officially support and release a phone version of their own OS, as well as other new OS sources like WebOS and Aliyun available for development; it'll be an awful waste to be locked only to 2.1, 2.2 and 2.3

I believe we will get 4.0 but the how it will work on are phones is likely to be a ram hog.
I don't see the milestone xt720 getting its bootloader unlocked.
The milestone xt is abandoned by moto and Google will not unlock it.
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I just hate Motorola for doing that...it has absolutely no sense at all.
Greetings

other than the low amount of RAM the XT720 is not really behind the times
with good software as we see running CM6 this phone is amazing and quick
it's one of the few devices that had a 8 MP camera before it became standard (2~3 years later ) on all other android phones
if we could add more RAM and unlock the boot loader this phone could go a looooong way

Also the xenon is very, very cool I think. We just need this bootloader thing...does someone know why they dont open it?

Idk more and more devices are running ICS now. One of them happens to be the Droid Eris. So I'm sure with all these awesome devs someone can come up with something. But I do think the kernel might be where are problems are gonna lie. Cause all the devices I've seen running ICS are with kernels for froyo and up and all of them had to be patched to work with ICS. We can always remove the RAM hog apps to free up some RAM if it ever gets running. I might just blow the dust off my xt720 and start tinkering with it. And I actually read somewhere you can actually bypass the signature check on milestone by desoldering a pin on the board. I'll have to find that article again tho.
Sent from my Nexus S running super fast on Koushs CM9 alpha 11 with the awesome Franco kernel

I think nadlabak's been talked into trying for milestone. At least I unserstand he's getting a second used A853 to give it a try.
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i tried native ubuntu
i try boot hooking using 2nd-init&chroot and success to boot ubuntu
but XT720's kernel not support loopback so install on mmcblk0p3
also i success to connect network by wifi
it has enough ram (about 140Mb) and touch screen work
but i can't run X window (i hasn't any driver )

I will try to see if theirs a way to get this bootloader unlocked.
Is it possiable to include hotboot in are open recovery so we can flash a kernel and hotboot it by the signature check.
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My understanding of the Hot/Quick reboot apps is that reboot the Android GUI without rebooting the kernel.

mchlbenner said:
I will try to see if theirs a way to get this bootloader unlocked.
Is it possiable to include hotboot in are open recovery so we can flash a kernel and hotboot it by the signature check.
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that's a good idea, it might work
we can get a work around by first booting into a stock signed vanilla ROM in the command line, and then hot reboot it by calling the version of the OS we want to run.
very similar to the way how HP used android as based to call & launch WebOS

The boot process is:
bootloader -> kernel -> init -> android
The "bootloader -> kernel -> init" segment is locked and unmodifyable (except fastboot via USB). There is a weakness in the init->android transition because the system partition is not signature checked. 2nd-init is what we use to "undo" the stock init and boot custom ROMs. It goes something like this:
bootloader -> kernel -> init -> hijack/2nd-init -> (tampered)init -> (modified)android
Hot reboot really just restarts the GUI something like this:
bootloader -> kernel -> init -> android -> hot-reboot -> (restarted)android
The only thing hot reboot might solve is cleaning up after memory leaks (if there are any) because hijack/2nd-init is already as early as possible. The closer analogy on a PC would be that hot-reboot is something like logging out and then logging back in again. It's not really a "reboot" per se. Or another analogy is that its similar to closing and reopening firefox when it's getting laggy.

So will take it that fastboot can only done by usb can't be added to are recovery.
If you have 701boooaders send link I would like to try them on this modsbf.
Thanks.
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After doing a lot spec checking I found that ics could run on our xt I will search for a possible port but this will a long time.
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The milestone devs are working on ics for milestone as soon as they produce a working build I will try to do a port for xt.
Keep in mind it will likely take 8 months or longer.
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Not sure if this is helpful, and I see the other thread that shows XDA has an issue with Galnet Miui, but they show a stable release for the Milestone.
If we assume this is the Droid, not the Xt720 - the Droid is an inferior device to this, I also see that the Droid got a 2.2 froyo from Moto, and this did not.. is this pure numbers of sales? did the xt720 just not sell enough to be worth their bother?
But does looking into the Galnet rom help us develope one for the xt720 any faster??
James

Yes, I'm pretty sure it's numbers otherwise we would have gotten 2.2. At least thats what I believe based on comments left in the kernel code. Milestone XT720 was apparently developed for T-Mobile, but in the end, T-Mobile ended up not picking it up so Motorola sold it where it could.
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mchlbenner said:
The milestone devs are working on ics for milestone as soon as they produce a working build I will try to do a port for xt.
Keep in mind it will likely take 8 months or longer.
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Thanks for the work !
But 8 months!!!!!! I will not wait as long with out changing this phone....
It seems they go fast with the ics milestone dev...
So maybe soon.....
Some link to dream a little (for those who don t see them)....
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/motorola-droid-gets-early-ics-port-still-work-in-progress/
The thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1393632&page=23
A video of a working 4.0.3 rom on the milestone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3SnlN5zosE

I totally agree with you the bad news is milestone xt will most likely will get ics.
If we have gotten it most likely would have been ported by J.Y.Daddy but he has quit porting.
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Hmmm. Might be worth picking up a used OG Droid A855 for comparison... if OG gets it, Milestone A853 won't be too far behind. If Milestone gets it, so will we. We'll see once some trees are up. Time to stalk craigslist again.