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For those of u that have your mt4g. Are u guys happy with it??
I'm still on my G2 but I might consider a trade in...
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sent my g2 back for the mt4g and couldnt be happier.
Yep. Still got my nexus one, got the g2 in october only to return it a week later..waited for the mt4g, got that today and pretty impressed with it. aside from the .93 GB of storage space, and bloatware, it's a pretty good phone...so far.
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sent my g2 back for the mt4g and couldnt be happier.
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I'm considering it.. what do u like better about the mt4g?
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After having too many issues with the G2, I grabbed the MT4G. I'm very much in love with it.
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After having too many issues with the G2, I grabbed the MT4G. I'm very much in love with it.
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What is better on it?
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I'm considering it.. what do u like better about the mt4g?
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pretty much the size and weight. i found myself not using the slide out keyboard as i thought i would so i thought it would be better to get the mytouch. i was also having battery problems with the g2 and now i wont have to worry about hinge issues either.
jizital said:
pretty much the size and weight. i found myself not using the slide out keyboard as i thought i would so i thought it would be better to get the mytouch. i was also having battery problems with the g2 and now i wont have to worry about hinge issues either.
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Any dislikes?
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I'm coming from a Vibrant, and while I miss the 4" screen, this 3.8" feels just as good in terms of real estate. It's not a Super AMOLED, but the WVGA is very crisp, so I don't feel like there's a loss of quality. On the Vibrant, GPS was an issue and the volume buttons were locked down on most devices, whereas on the MT4G it all works perfectly. Someone above mentioned the size and weight and I think it also feels great in the hand...it feels like metal! Camera quality is nice and uses tap-to-focus. Sound quality from the phone is average and as usual, HTC's speakerphone is tinny and crappy, but I guess there always has to be a compromise. My battery has been depleting a bit quickly but I imagine that will improve a bit as it's exercised, and hopefully moreso if CM gets their hands on it.
After playing with it for a day, it appears that any user will have a great experience with it! I strongly recommend trying it out
What I Like
Speed
Form Factor (size/weight)
Built in camera app (it lets you disable shutter sound!)
Built in facebook app (photo tags, video uploads)
Hands free mode
Desk Dock
Car Dock
Fastboot
HTC Flashlight app
Wi-Fi calling (wife has UMA on her blackberry and it comes in handy for international travel)
Trackpad wake-up (G2 could only wake with power button)
What I Dislike
Apps I can't uninstall.
Hard buttons on bottom. (I liked the G2 soft buttons)
Boxes around icons.
Double unlock needed when using pattern.
Did a mention apps I can't uninstall?
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I'm coming from a Vibrant, and while I miss the 4" screen, this 3.8" feels just as good in terms of real estate. It's not a Super AMOLED, but the WVGA is very crisp, so I don't feel like there's a loss of quality. On the Vibrant, GPS was an issue and the volume buttons were locked down on most devices, whereas on the MT4G it all works perfectly. Someone above mentioned the size and weight and I think it also feels great in the hand...it feels like metal! Camera quality is nice and uses tap-to-focus. Sound quality from the phone is average and as usual, HTC's speakerphone is tinny and crappy, but I guess there always has to be a compromise. My battery has been depleting a bit quickly but I imagine that will improve a bit as it's exercised, and hopefully moreso if CM gets their hands on it.
After playing with it for a day, it appears that any user will have a great experience with it! I strongly recommend trying it out
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Cool man. I have a g2 and my wife a vibrant. G2 is a little heavy and the vibrant feels like plastic. I guess my main concern is the genius button over the regular search.....
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life changing fone... i came from G1... myTouch3G... HD2 / FroyoStone.. G2... and very very content with this phone... couldnt be happier with what they did... only slight thing is the hard nav buttons at the bottom
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For those of u that have your mt4g. Are u guys happy with it??
I'm still on my G2 but I might consider a trade in...
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I had a Nexus One before. OMG what a difference. The MT4G is so much faster and the screen is so much more sensitive. It holds better on 3G signal than the N1. What I don't like at the moment is the Sense UI. For somebody who had Stock android this is really confusing. Just a question of time and I become used to it
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Cool man. I have a g2 and my wife a vibrant. G2 is a little heavy and the vibrant feels like plastic. I guess my main concern is the genius button over the regular search.....
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Yeah, this is something that I thought about as well actually. That search button is one of my main "pimping" tools when I explain the beauty of Android to others. I guess natively there's no way to change its functionality, but I know that Cyanogen ROMs allow it. Guess patience will be a virtue. Also very interesting going from soft buttons at the bottom to physical ones. With my big fingers, it took a little practice to not keep hitting the dock icons at the bottom of Launcher Pro, but still not bad. Nothing that one cannot adapt to.
I've only had the MyTouch 4G for about 8 hours and I'm liking it so far. My biggest complaint really is that there's too much bloatware that I can't uninstall (at least from settings). I'm sure this can be fixed without too much trouble. The phone is bigger and heavier than I expected. It's got a nice sized screen and I really appreciate that it has hard buttons and a more responsive track pad compared to the G2. I haven't heard many complaints from other G2 owners but mine was very unresponsive and pretty much useless- I would have preferred the G1's trackball. I've been spending some time trying to play with the FFC but haven't had much luck. The Qik videos take a while to upload but I read on their site that they are experiencing server problems so hopefully that will be fixed quickly. Not having other friends with FFC's yet, I haven't been able to test it out. The games are pretty fast. TMobile TV's quality isn't great but when I connected to Wifi it became much smoother.
Coming from the G1 to the MT3G to the Nexus one.
Things I like about it.
1. Nice screen size and build quality of the phone.
2. The sense weather and clock widgets
3. More flash memory to install apps.
4. Lots of standard apps that I didn't have to download from the market
5. When I popped in my SIM my screen wallpaper from my nexus one was already loaded (did not put the SD card in from the nexus one)
6. FFC video chat and the media features on the phone are amazing! It came with the music controls on the lock screen.
Things I don't like.
1. All the T-Mobile Bloat wear
2. WiFi calling isn't working for me. (I might go exchange the device tomorrow to see if it helps.)
3. I like sense but only for the clock and the weather widget other than that I miss the plain vanilla firmware.
4. The fact that andriod and the hardware manfuactures keep changing the sequence of the buttoms. I was used to the layout of the nexus one... now I'm trying to relearn the home, and menu key.
Other than I think it is defintly a nice upgrade from the Nexus one. I just wished it had the 4.3+ inch screen and the resolution from the Vibrant.
It's a tough one. I got the G1 the day it came out which started a long loving relationship with Android, rooting, custom roms etc. Got the Nexus One next, then bought the G2. Since I still have a week on my remorse period I switched it for the mytouch today.
After a full day of playing with it I am still not 100% which way to lean. There are 2 things that really put me off about the mytouch
Genius button: the "genius" button is probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen. So is all the bloat ware that comes pre-installed. Granted there are ways to remove (disable rather) unwanted apps using temp root and some scripting but I'd still pick vanilla over mysense any day. You are also gonna get gingerbread pretty much instantly upon release for the G2 whereas there's no guarantee how long it'll take for the mytouch. If you're one for rooting and custom roms and stuff, you'll find a lot more development support for the G2
Hard keys: although the mytouch 4G is a huge step up from previous devises it still feels/looks plasticky in comparison to the Nexus and G2. Putting in soft buttons instead of the plastic hard ones would have made a big difference in my view. These ones just feel painfully cheap in comparison (having used the Nexus for almost a year).
Other than that its a great divice. The front facing camera is not a big factor, tried it out today and have to say even on wifi it rather sucks. But the phone is thin and super fast. And if your not that much into pure android, mysense will probably suit you just fine.
I love that I can wake the phone with the trackpad.
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It's a tough one. I got the G1 the day it came out which started a long loving relationship with Android, rooting, custom roms etc. Got the Nexus One next, then bought the G2. Since I still have a week on my remorse period I switched it for the mytouch today.
After a full day of playing with it I am still not 100% which way to lean. There are 2 things that really put me off about the mytouch
Genius button: the "genius" button is probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen. So is all the bloat ware that comes pre-installed. Granted there are ways to remove (disable rather) unwanted apps using temp root and some scripting but I'd still pick vanilla over mysense any day. You are also gonna get gingerbread pretty much instantly upon release for the G2 whereas there's no guarantee how long it'll take for the mytouch. If you're one for rooting and custom roms and stuff, you'll find a lot more development support for the G2
Hard keys: although the mytouch 4G is a huge step up from previous devises it still feels/looks plasticky in comparison to the Nexus and G2. Putting in soft buttons instead of the plastic hard ones would have made a big difference in my view. These ones just feel painfully cheap in comparison (having used the Nexus for almost a year).
Other than that its a great divice. The front facing camera is not a big factor, tried it out today and have to say even on wifi it rather sucks. But the phone is thin and super fast. And if your not that much into pure android, mysense will probably suit you just fine.
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Yeah man that genius button was a real deal breaker for me. And I do see more support on the g2. But the mt4g still looks like a great phone. How's the sense ui? And I think I'm going in store tomorrow to check it out
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I don't see how the genius button is a deal breaker all in itself. Its a more fleshed out search button and its not like anyone uses the search button all the time.
Personally I'm glad to see something different for once. The myTouch 4G is a truly unique phone.
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Alright, so I am trying to pick my next dev phone.
I have the a couple choices..
MyTouch 4G:
3.8 inch TFT widescreen display (800x480 pixels)
768Mb Ram
Front Facing Cam
T-Mobile G2
3.7" S-TFT WVGA display (800x480 pixels)
512Mb RAM
Slide-out QWERTY keyboard, unique Z-hinge design
And please don't start with saying "Well, the G2 has hinge problems..." because there was a bad batch lol.
Thanks for your comments & suggestions!
If I were you, I would...wait.
The Nexus S is suppose to launch this Christmas season and if it follows the line of the Nexus One, it will be a true developer's phone.
Although I have the G2, out of your two choices I would pick the Mytouch4G if you don't need a keyboard. More Ram, slightly larger screen, and FFC seems pretty good to me. FFC may not be really useful now but lets say you get the Mytouch4G and sell it a 1 to 2 years from now. With more and more phones being released with FFCs, the Mytouch4G you are trying to sell looks more appealing since it has a FFC. It helps future proof your investment.
I like the G2 but my family wanted to upgrade ASAP or otherwise I would have gotten the MyTouch. I don't use the hardware keyboard because I can type insanely faster using Swiftkey. The G2 will get the Gingerbread OTA faster but since your on this forum you know that doesn't really apply to us since a dev here will port the ROM over to whatever higher-end device we purchase.
Hope that helps
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If I were you, I would...wait.
The Nexus S is suppose to launch this Christmas season and if it follows the line of the Nexus One, it will be a true developer's phone.
Although I have the G2, out of your two choices I would pick the Mytouch4G if you don't need a keyboard. More Ram, slightly larger screen, and FFC seems pretty good to me. FFC may not be really useful now but lets say you get the Mytouch4G and sell it a 1 to 2 years from now. With more and more phones being released with FFCs, the Mytouch4G you are trying to sell looks more appealing since it has a FFC. It helps future proof your investment.
I like the G2 but my family wanted to upgrade ASAP or otherwise I would have gotten the MyTouch. I don't use the hardware keyboard because I can type insanely faster using Swiftkey. The G2 will get the Gingerbread OTA faster but since your on this forum you know that doesn't really apply to us since a dev here will port the ROM over to whatever higher-end device we purchase.
Hope that helps
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Yeah, I pretty much thought the same. But a few people said some things like "The MT4G looks like ****" And "Go with the G2, it is way better"
And thats why I was going to go with the G2... But then again, they didn't really give me a reason why the G2 was better
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Yeah, I pretty much thought the same. But a few people said some things like "The MT4G looks like ****" And "Go with the G2, it is way better"
And thats why I was going to go with the G2... But then again, they didn't really give me a reason why the G2 was better
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I think people see that its not Stock Android or Sense and immediately stray away from it. Most of the complaints about how the software looks can be fixed with either ADW Launcher or LauncherPro; all of the complaints can be remedied by flashing a different ROM entirely (We can't make the "Genius" button go away unfortunately )
The main plus about the G2 is that it has a physical keyboard which means more screen real estate while typing, the ability to type by feel without looking down at the keyboard, being able to map physical keys to play video game emulators, and makes typing command lines via Terminal Emulator easier. Having a physical keyboard has some perks but to the average consumer it doesn't offer much unless you feel you MUST have a physical keyboard.
Speaking of the keyboard I don't think the issue with the Z-Hinge is because of a bad batch but because of a design flaw. The Z-Hinge allows the phone to be thin while closed while still providing a raised physical keyboard; without the hinge we either have a flat keyboard similar to the Epic 4G or when the phone is closed its about 3mm thicker. The con of the design is that it doesn't lock into place therefore the screen can drop due to gravity. If you type upside down (silly isn't it) the screen will drop on your thumbs, 99.9% of the time this isn't an issue at all. Something that is an issue is the light sensor. The backlight to the keyboard is suppose to turn on when our surroundings are darker, the G2 is horrible at it. I can be in complete darkness and sometimes the keyboard is on and sometimes it off, this is another reason why I just use the virtual keyboard.
Akulamenuri said:
I think people see that its not Stock Android or Sense and immediately stray away from it. Most of the complaints about how the software looks can be fixed with either ADW Launcher or LauncherPro; all of the complaints can be remedied by flashing a different ROM entirely (We can't make the "Genius" button go away unfortunately )
The main plus about the G2 is that it has a physical keyboard which means more screen real estate while typing, the ability to type by feel without looking down at the keyboard, being able to map physical keys to play video game emulators, and makes typing command lines via Terminal Emulator easier. Having a physical keyboard has some perks but to the average consumer it doesn't offer much unless you feel you MUST have a physical keyboard.
Speaking of the keyboard I don't think the issue with the Z-Hinge is because of a bad batch but because of a design flaw. The Z-Hinge allows the phone to be thin while closed while still providing a raised physical keyboard; without the hinge we either have a flat keyboard similar to the Epic 4G or when the phone is closed its about 3mm thicker. The con of the design is that it doesn't lock into place therefore the screen can drop due to gravity. If you type upside down (silly isn't it) the screen will drop on your thumbs, 99.9% of the time this isn't an issue at all. Something that is an issue is the light sensor. The backlight to the keyboard is suppose to turn on when our surroundings are darker, the G2 is horrible at it. I can be in complete darkness and sometimes the keyboard is on and sometimes it off, this is another reason why I just use the virtual keyboard.
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I hear what you are saying about the G2's keyboard lol, but I just don't use one.
Ps, there really only was a bad batch. Look everywhere, not all the G2's have that issue lol.
But I just don't know. I like the look of the G2, but I like the hardware of the MT4G
I thought it was more of an issue of longevity. When I first purchased my G2 it didn't have a hinge problem at all but overtime it did. The early adopters were the people complaining because they had their phones long enough to notice the difference in the closing mechanism. That is what I think anyway . I also think that the G2 looks better than the MyTouch. G2 has more of a polished professional appeal while the MyTouch looks more childish.
I still think you should play the waiting game for like one more month.
The build quality on the G2 feels much better. I have an Evo and don't really care about the front-facing camera, so you don't really need to worry about that too much.
The MT4G runs Espresso, which is kind of like a slimmed-down Sense interface (well, it is Sense actually). The nice thing is if you like the Sense apps but hate the Sense launcher, you can just install LauncherPro and you'll still have the apps but an AOSP launcher. It contains a better camera app, better dialer, pretty much better everything. The screen on this thing looks bigger than it actually is. The only thing I don't like about it is the bubbles it puts around icons, but like I said, you can just use LauncherPro for that.
The G2 is basically a Desire-Z without Sense UI. In other words it's plain vanilla Android. It feels more metal-y than the MT4G and the screen is a tiny bit, but not noticeably smaller. The keyboard is really nice and, as you said, the hinge is no longer an issue.
Personally, if they were offering the G2 with Sense (aka the Desire-Z), I'd take that over the MT4G, but that's my personally preference. I like Sense UI because it adds a lot of polish and functionality to Android. And if you don't like it, you can always flash CyanogenMod's firmware and get vanilla Android. It's harder to go get Sense running on an AOSP device.
http://www.androidcentral.com/cyanogenmod-6-t-mobile-mytouch-4g
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The build quality on the G2 feels much better. I have an Evo and don't really care about the front-facing camera, so you don't really need to worry about that too much.
The MT4G runs Espresso, which is kind of like a slimmed-down Sense interface (well, it is Sense actually). The nice thing is if you like the Sense apps but hate the Sense launcher, you can just install LauncherPro and you'll still have the apps but an AOSP launcher. It contains a better camera app, better dialer, pretty much better everything. The screen on this thing looks bigger than it actually is. The only thing I don't like about it is the bubbles it puts around icons, but like I said, you can just use LauncherPro for that.
The G2 is basically a Desire-Z without Sense UI. In other words it's plain vanilla Android. It feels more metal-y than the MT4G and the screen is a tiny bit, but not noticeably smaller. The keyboard is really nice and, as you said, the hinge is no longer an issue.
Personally, if they were offering the G2 with Sense (aka the Desire-Z), I'd take that over the MT4G, but that's my personally preference. I like Sense UI because it adds a lot of polish and functionality to Android. And if you don't like it, you can always flash CyanogenMod's firmware and get vanilla Android. It's harder to go get Sense running on an AOSP device.
http://www.androidcentral.com/cyanogenmod-6-t-mobile-mytouch-4g
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I don't care about looks.. It is only going to be a dev phone lol.
And thanks for everyones views! I think I am going to go with the MT4G due to the higher specs.
I am going out on a limb here and share my deepest feelings with all of you.
I LOVE my g2x!
There, I said it. I feel a little vulnerable right now... may need a hug.
There is so much anti g2x here and it makes me sad. This is a great phone. Nay, a great big beast of s phone. It has it foibles(bet you don't hear that often) but they will be worked out. I had a troubled phone for a while... reboots, battery heat up, etc... didn't return it, but I kept fiddling with it, removed some apps, messed with settings, trolled the forums and I haven't had a reboot in a week! Runs as smooth as aloe vera lotion now.
I think that people are jumping ship too early, and for the Sensation?!? Really?? That phone is also having issues with reboots and stuff not working... PLUS it is slower, has an iffy screen and runs Sense!
So if you do trade down for that other phone... just go, and stop telling us about it.
Good luck and we'll see you when you come back...
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+1 for foibles
Its a gorgeous piece of hardware, with a really solid cameras, and I'm loving having the speakers in another place than laid flat on the back.
Not being satisfied with the dev support, which is kind of more a privilege than most people here realize, made me realize that having a phone that works more often than not is worth running on Stock(with root and a few choice mods).
Having been around since 1.5 dropped, I thought about what I needed in custom roms then vs what I need now. The G1 needed severe performance boosts to operate like the current crop does on its worst days, apps2sd and keeping an ext partition for caching on was important. I got my power control widget and navigation in 1.6 (I was a big fan of SuperD roms) and I was ecstatic.
Fast forward and I get damn near most of that right out the box. do i need the miscelleaneous features of cm7, like notificationbar power controls? Nope, I can go back to living like I did with my eclair Nexus One(and then with CM6) or my G1.
So comparing the current offerings to just stock, I dont feel like im at a total loss. It's just the way this phones lifespan panned out, and really you cant win them all.
And I am definitely not impressed with the Sensation and Sense3.0. My boss broke the volume key on the store demo the day he opened the box. Dropped it once and the rocker snapped out in the worst way. weird design choices all over that phone.
I really think the dev support will happen when GB drops. Then we can find the new things we didn't know we couldn't live without.
God, remember 1.5? Seems like so long ago... I remember way back when jesusfreke was showing us the what was possible, and when cyan got his cease and desist letter from google... my G1 will always have a special place in my heart...
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I love using the G2X and I'm glad I get to keep her. She will be my hacking/gaming phone. Both the G2X and the Sensation have there own problems like you said. I was just lucky enough to get two bug free devices. As said in my review, I think the G2X has a smoother UI and is very responsive. That being said, the. Sensation doesn't even come close until you disable all of those silly animations on Sense. Some games run better on the G2X and some run better on the Sensation. Homerun Hartford 3D for example runs smoother and looks better on the Sensation but dungeon defenders runs smoother on the G2X. Everyone just needs to start making there own decissions and stop making posts like "Bellow Sensation. Bye G2X". I picked the Sensation as my daily driver due to the larger display without being bigger that the G2X. The colors are sharper and appear to pop more on the Sensation but the blacks on the G2X a great. When both devices are sitting right next to each other its unbelievable how muck crisper and clearer the text on the Sensation is. I also use the camera a lot and the Sensation takes much better photos and HD video. Both devices are great but I would say to someone who puts gaming at the top of there smart phone list, get the G2X. If your priority is emailing, web browsing, RSS, ebooks and taking pictures then get the Sensation.
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I love using the G2X and I'm glad I get to keep her. She will be my hacking/gaming phone. Both the G2X and the Sensation have there own problems like you said. I was just lucky enough to get two bug free devices. As said in my review, I think the G2X has a smoother UI and is very responsive. That being said, the. Sensation doesn't even come close until you disable all of those silly animations on Sense. Some games run better on the G2X and some run better on the Sensation. Homerun Hartford 3D for example runs smoother and looks better on the Sensation but dungeon defenders runs smoother on the G2X. Everyone just needs to start making there own decissions and stop making posts like "Bellow Sensation. Bye G2X". I picked the Sensation as my daily driver due to the larger display without being bigger that the G2X. The colors are sharper and appear to pop more on the Sensation but the blacks on the G2X a great. When both devices are sitting right next to each other its unbelievable how muck crisper and clearer the text on the Sensation is. I also use the camera a lot and the Sensation takes much better photos and HD video. Both devices are great but I would say to someone who puts gaming at the top of there smart phone list, get the G2X. If your priority is emailing, web browsing, RSS, ebooks and taking pictures then get the Sensation.
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My priorities are the second block but im still keeping the g2x that sensation just feels like a toy cant be havin that imma business man.
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i'm still a fresh new owner of my G2x (got it yesterday). but i've already thrown on 3 custom roms and have decided to stick w/the mcr GB leak (2.3.3) since its more vanilla than CM7. CM7 is just WAY to much extras i don't care for; i wish they had a kitchen sink option like paul's MCR roms do. i love being able to pick and choose what items and tweaks.
anywho, i've been an android owner since the N1 dropped and must say that it almost seems like its more people tinkering with an OS and parts they shouldn't be or don't understand. permission changes on a system file can cause your phone to do some crazy things, i've done it a few times myself (get in a boot loop by renaming a system sound or font, etc)
the G2x's hardware specs made me drop the full off contract price on it. i'm just hoping we see the GB roms mature even more, hopefully once the official GB hits; we'll still have some devs w/one that will update their roms.
sure would love to see a Honeycomb port. this thing has the specs.
yea i cant say enough about my g2x, i really have no problems other then minimal screen bleed and it dont bother me cuz i cant see it in everyday use!....i have no random reboots or sod, i absolutely love the power of this phone, **** the other day i was playing with my wifes mytouch 4g and remember that thing was fast and held its own, i remember when i had one i thought damn this is fast....the other day when i was done playing with it i gave it back to her, and thought to myself damn hun your phone is a turd compared to mine lol....my point being the mytouch 4g was a very fast phone and this phone just digs in its ass! i love everything about it i will definitely say it is the best phone i ever had and i aint going nowhere.....
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yea i cant say enough about my g2x, i really have no problems other then minimal screen bleed and it dont bother me cuz i cant see it in everyday use!....i have no random reboots or sod, i absolutely love the power of this phone, **** the other day i was playing with my wifes mytouch 4g and remember that thing was fast and held its own, i remember when i had one i thought damn this is fast....the other day when i was done playing with it i gave it back to her, and thought to myself damn hun your phone is a turd compared to mine lol....my point being the mytouch 4g was a very fast phone and this phone just digs in its ass! i love everything about it i will definitely say it is the best phone i ever had and i aint going nowhere.....
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cyan got his cease and desist letter from google...
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dark times for everyone
Another satisfied G2X owner right here. Got mine off some guy on Craigslist before I'd read about all the issues people were having. I think I only kept it stock for maybe 1 day before rooting it and flashing roms on it. I've been using it for over a month now and I haven't once regretted buying it.
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+1 for foibles
Its a gorgeous piece of hardware, with a really solid cameras, and I'm loving having the speakers in another place than laid flat on the back.
Not being satisfied with the dev support, which is kind of more a privilege than most people here realize, made me realize that having a phone that works more often than not is worth running on Stock(with root and a few choice mods)
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Have you tried the Ultimate G2X rom?
It has been my daily driver for a couple of weeks now and I have had absolutely no issues with it. It's based on Froyo so all of the hardware works as it should (no wonky battery issues, HDMI works, GPS works, etc). It has a very nice dark theme to it (I never liked the light colored stock Froyo), and is very snappy and responsive.
It's a very nice rom indeed. Very fast. Very stable. And everything works.
FWIW
Very satisfied G2x owner here. All around the best cellphone i have ever owned.
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Have you tried the Ultimate G2X rom?
It has been my daily driver for a couple of weeks now and I have had absolutely no issues with it. It's based on Froyo so all of the hardware works as it should (no wonky battery issues, HDMI works, GPS works, etc). It has a very nice dark theme to it (I never liked the light colored stock Froyo), and is very snappy and responsive.
It's a very nice rom indeed. Very fast. Very stable. And everything works.
FWIW
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+1 for the Ultimate Rom. I've been using it since the day it was released with zero issues. But...Faux's Rom is starting to look VERY interesting...
I've been a pretty vocal complainer about this phone. I've gotten four. But my complaints have mostly been about the lack of real support and communication. It sucks that LG and Tmo put us all in this position.
I'm getting the Sensation tomorrow. I got the upgrade price. But I'm only considering it a bridge phone until the bugs get worked out of the G2X. When I thought I only had the option of one phone, I HAD to leave for the Sensation. In my case I initially chose the G2X knowing about and comparing it to the Sensation. Sensy is indeed a great phone, but side by side, we all know the G2X is just.....well, better!
But my cell phone is my primary communication device, I don't have a wired home phone. I've had reception issues and it has been too buggy to use the basic features. Not having a choice I was forced to move to the Sensy.
But being in this position, with both phones, changes the equasion. I get the luxury of waiting for the update. I've now decided to request a fifth one after all.....just because the screen bleed IS definatively worse on this fourth one. But if they refuse, I still feel like the screen bleed is a non issue in everyday use. But it appsolutely screams at me when I turn the phone on....
I truly believe that all the other issues will be fixed with the updates(s).
I've spent the last two days putting the phone back where is was before my reset last weekend. I've had no reboots all week, but my data has been giving me fits. I've missed not playing with it this week, so couldn't resist putting it all back. Supposed to get Sensy tommorrow.....have such mixed feelings. This sucks....got two beautiful phones and so conflicted and angst-ridden. I guess I can think of worse positions to be in LOL.
Happy Fathers day to my fellow fathers. And all you mothers for putting up with us!
ickster said:
I've been a pretty vocal complainer about this phone. I've gotten four. But my complaints have mostly been about the lack of real support and communication. It sucks that LG and Tmo put us all in this position.
I'm getting the Sensation tomorrow. I got the upgrade price. But I'm only considering it a bridge phone until the bugs get worked out of the G2X. When I thought I only had the option of one phone, I HAD to leave for the Sensation. In my case I initially chose the G2X knowing about and comparing it to the Sensation. Sensy is indeed a great phone, but side by side, we all know the G2X is just.....well, better!
But my cell phone is my primary communication device, I don't have a wired home phone. I've had reception issues and it has been too buggy to use the basic features. Not having a choice I was forced to move to the Sensy.
But being in this position, with both phones, changes the equasion. I get the luxury of waiting for the update. I've now decided to request a fifth one after all.....just because the screen bleed IS definatively worse on this fourth one. But if they refuse, I still feel like the screen bleed is a non issue in everyday use. But it appsolutely screams at me when I turn the phone on....
I truly believe that all the other issues will be fixed with the updates(s).
I've spent the last two days putting the phone back where is was before my reset last weekend. I've had no reboots all week, but my data has been giving me fits. I've missed not playing with it this week, so couldn't resist putting it all back. Supposed to get Sensy tommorrow.....have such mixed feelings. This sucks....got two beautiful phones and so conflicted and angst-ridden. I guess I can think of worse positions to be in LOL.
Happy Fathers day to my fellow fathers. And all you mothers for putting up with us!
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There is no doubt in my mind that the G2X is snappier and more responsive than the Sensation within the UI but in my mind there is plenty of other things that go into making a phone better. Yes, I care about speed and power but when the ONLY difference in speed I see is in the UI, it's not a big deal in my opinion. The G2X's display does have better blacks but the Sensation has better colors, sharper text, bigger display and a brighter screen. When both phones are in direct sunlight, it's not even a close race. The Sensation wins hands down.
Applications run just as fast, if not faster on the Sensation. One of the only games I play religiously is HomeRun Battle 3D and it is in fact smoother plus looks a lot better on the Sensation.
When you finally get to use the Sensation you will realize that the only thing the G2X does better is a speedy UI. Everything from the camera to the contacts app is inferior.
In the end, I wish I liked the G2X better since I paid retail price for it and even though mine barely had any bugs, the Sensation is still the all around better phone.
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There is no doubt in my mind that the G2X is snappier and more responsive than the Sensation within the UI but in my mind there is plenty of other things that go into making a phone better. Yes, I care about speed and power but when the ONLY difference in speed I see is in the UI, it's not a big deal in my opinion. The G2X's display does have better blacks but the Sensation has better colors, sharper text, bigger display and a brighter screen. When both phones are in direct sunlight, it's not even a close race. The Sensation wins hands down.
Applications run just as fast, if not faster on the Sensation. One of the only games I play religiously is HomeRun Battle 3D and it is in fact smoother plus looks a lot better on the Sensation.
When you finally get to use the Sensation you will realize that the only thing the G2X does better is a speedy UI. Everything from the camera to the contacts app is inferior.
In the end, I wish I liked the G2X better since I paid retail price for it and even though mine barely had any bugs, the Sensation is still the all around better phone.
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I can't speak to the differences in the screen because I've only used the G2X in everyday situations. I do know that I have no trouble reading my screen in sunlight.
As for the different UI and different camera, etc that you mentioned, I think you're overlooking the fantastic hardware that makes up the G2X. I'm not knocking the Sensation because it may be a better solution for some. But I am very very satisfied with the G2X. Many of the roms that are out now have ironed most of the issues and made this phone extremely reliable. I don't have any issues with mine. And I can flash any camera, homescreen app, etc I want and customize to my hearts content.
My point is its a great piece of hardware that has some buggy software from the factory. Iron out the bugs and this thing flies.
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I have had my phone for about a month now, hated it at first but have slowly gotten it to the point of stable and fast.
Running CM7 builds for two weeks now (since the bugs have slowly gotten worked out). No reboots or issues, data is fast, battery life is good and everything is just "snappy".
I have given up on LG support for this phone, I won't be buying another LG phone again. Rushing this product to market and abandoning it shows that they hold the consumer in contempt. Hardware and build quality this phone is amazing, software support is terrible.
If LG was smart they would release their source for the phone and allow the true experts (rom cookers) to have their way with perfecting it, LG's software team isn't worth the paper their over sized paychecks are printed on.
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I can't speak to the differences in the screen because I've only used the G2X in everyday situations. I do know that I have no trouble reading my screen in sunlight.
As for the different UI and different camera, etc that you mentioned, I think you're overlooking the fantastic hardware that makes up the G2X. I'm not knocking the Sensation because it may be a better solution for some. But I am very very satisfied with the G2X. Many of the roms that are out now have ironed most of the issues and made this phone extremely reliable. I don't have any issues with mine. And I can flash any camera, homescreen app, etc I want and customize to my hearts content.
My point is its a great piece of hardware that has some buggy software from the factory. Iron out the bugs and this thing flies.
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Flashing all the camera apps in the world won't change the actually camera. When I said camera, I meant it as in hardware, not software. If you want to talk software than I can tell you, I think the G2X camera app is better than the Sensations. By the way. My G2X really didn't have any bugs at all except for some minor screen bleed. I thought it was a pretty reliable phone if you ask me. I know I'm keeping mine for a little bit so I have something to hack until HTC unlocks the Sensations bootloader. Lastly, I didn't really have any problems reading my G2X in sunlight either but it doesn't mean something else can't look better.
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I really think the dev support will happen when GB drops. Then we can find the new things we didn't know we couldn't live without.
God, remember 1.5? Seems like so long ago... I remember way back when jesusfreke was showing us the what was possible, and when cyan got his cease and desist letter from google... my G1 will always have a special place in my heart...
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Ah, yeah. I remember fiddling with my G1, when JesusFreake and Haykuro were the kings. Those were the days..
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Anyone considering this phone? The Nexus S is my first Android phone which I purchased in December of 2010 and to be honest its been average. Browser and keyboard lag is tough to deal with. When the phone works it's great though.
My biggest issue is typing. Coming from blackberry I just can't type efficiently on this thing and I think the Qwerty on the my touch 4g slide might help. Just wanted some opinions from people who have used multiple android devices. Thanks.
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Anyone considering this phone? The Nexus S is my first Android phone which I purchased in December of 2010 and to be honest its been average. Browser and keyboard lag is tough to deal with. When the phone works it's great though.
My biggest issue is typing. Coming from blackberry I just can't type efficiently on this thing and I think the Qwerty on the my touch 4g slide might help. Just wanted some opinions from people who have used multiple android devices. Thanks.
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its going to be a very nice phone. I think if you are a keyboard type person there wont be a better option. Itll run like a beast too.
I dont think I can go back to a keyboard. I blame the nexus s. Swype saves lives
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charlieb620 said:
I dont think I can go back to a keyboard. I blame the nexus s. Swype saves lives
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I dont know why I still cant get the hang of swype.
as well Ill be getting this phone for my GF, she refuses to not have a keyboard. if I was to go back to t-mobile myself Id be gettign this phone as well
I am on T-Mobile and have very good service and want the slide but due to.the att I am not getting it my dad is.letting.me switch to.Sprint,as soon as the new.nexus comes.out I'm switching
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Drzfr3shboialex said:
I am on T-Mobile and have very good service and want the slide but due to.the att I am not getting it my dad is.letting.me switch to.Sprint,as soon as the new.nexus comes.out I'm switching
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what.are.you.talking.like.this.for.
Only bad thing about getting the mytouch 4g sslide is that it won't get the newest updates like nexus line...I agree tthough about android keyboard ... nexus s was my first android phone and only thing I don't like is the browser and keyboard ..I came from an iPhone so I was used to on-screen keyboard
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what.are.you.talking.like.this.for.
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I imagine they're using the gingerbread keyboard or something. I have a tendancy to hit the period rather than space a lot on the gingerbread keyboard
acesofbelkan said:
I imagine they're using the gingerbread keyboard or something. I have a tendancy to hit the period rather than space a lot on the gingerbread keyboard
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Yeah lol its annoying.
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Just got this phone, and happy to say it ships S-OFF. Rom is dated Jun 27, so they didn't have much time to flash em and box em up.
How did you get one!?!?!?!?!!?!!
ScottC said:
Just got this phone, and happy to say it ships S-OFF. Rom is dated Jun 27, so they didn't have much time to flash em and box em up.
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enoch861 said:
How did you get one!?!?!?!?!!?!!
ScottC said:
Just got this phone, and happy to say it ships S-OFF.
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More to the point: Is this a retail phone, just like everyone gets? Does S-OFF mean that we'll be able to root and flash it at launch? I keep trying to find confirmation that the bootloader will be unlocked (or not) at launch, but this is the closest I've found, so far. Is there any official word from HTC or T-Mobile somewhere?
Upgraded
I've had the 3g sllide for some time now and i like it it's a decent phone but still, newer, faster, more hardware cap. is simply better... point blank period. I'm excited for the upgrade since i really dont want to leave the mytouch family and it's a must that i have keyboard. But the specs are looking good!, and since the glacier has achieved S-off i fairly certain that this will achieve perma-root about 3 hrs after official release (chuckles to self) if not sooner. I'm excited for what this forum will produce along with my very own venture into ginger bread app development
GET EXCITED
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g+ damn u lol
ScottC said:
Just got this phone, and happy to say it ships S-OFF. Rom is dated Jun 27, so they didn't have much time to flash em and box em up.
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This was the one thing holding me back from placing a preorder... but now that I know HTC lived up to their word I'm ordering one now! Thanks!
Retail demo unit ships with S-on
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This phone looks pretty sweet. I had the MyTouch 3G Slide and the MyTouch 4G. Both were great phones. This phone is pretty much a MyTouch 4G with the internal components of a Sensation and the keyboard of a 3G Slide. I prefer the screen and sleekness of the Sensation but if you need a keyboard I'd be all over it.
I suspect this phone will be S-OFFed once AlphaRev finishes the Sensation/Evo3D tool. Otherwise you're waiting till at least September for the official unlock.
It's shipped S-ON sadly , that mean's we can't flash custom roms correct ?
joeyklatzko said:
This phone looks pretty sweet. I had the MyTouch 3G Slide and the MyTouch 4G. Both were great phones. This phone is pretty much a MyTouch 4G with the internal components of a Sensation and the keyboard of a 3G Slide. I prefer the screen and sleekness of the Sensation but if you need a keyboard I'd be all over it.
I suspect this phone will be S-OFFed once AlphaRev finishes the Sensation/Evo3D tool. Otherwise you're waiting till at least September for the official unlock.
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It's shipped S-ON sadly , that mean's we can't flash custom roms correct ?
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Correct. Hopefully not for long!
I just received my Khaki today. I pre-ordered on the 19th.
Pretty amazing device in my book. It isn't perfect but, coming from a 3G Slide it's a monster of a phone.
The Good:
Far and away better keyboard. It has a chiclet like feel to it and is much easier and faster to type on than the 3G Slide with plenty of feedback.
The screen is very pretty, easy to read, and I have no problem with the slightly lower resolution as it does not hinder the phone in any way. Very easy to type on the screen too. I was pretty taken back at how incredibly accurate the sensitivity was compared to the 3GS
Nice camera, it isn't an N8 nor will it replace my T3i but, it does offer partial manual controls and you can adjust the exposure +-2 stops for camera and video. Hopefully an update or hack will let you control shutter speed in the future. FYI, ISO is from 100 to 800. Images look a little grainy to me but, I'm coming from a T3i for comparison which isn't very fair.
FM radio is a nice touch and it works just fine.
Call/Voice quality is very good. It sounds better than the 3GS as a whole. It is louder and clearer with less echo and background noise. It does sound a little harsh at high volume but, still better than the 3GS. Let's just say it isn't a Glimmer but, that phone sounds better than any land-line I've heard so again not a fair comparison. However, I was complimented on how much clearer my voice was on the other end of the line and I could hear the other person a lot better than before.
Reception seems/felt a little better than the 3G Slide. Not a great deal better but, I was getting 2 bars of 3G (which oddly shows up as 4G) in a location where I normally get 1 bar. Also, I didn't have to manually set the phone to WCDMA for it to pick it up.
HTC Flashlight app is in here and it uses both LED's
Wifi Hotspot widget is in here too.
Trackpad button thing is so much nicer than the 3GS and it has this neat illumination thing that goes on when it's charging. It isn't bright though, you almost need to be at an angle to see it, it's very subtle but the coolest thing ever.
genius button still says "please wait" but, it's infinitely faster than the 3GS. LOL. if it wasn't I'd probably rip someones head off.
Grip of the phone is excellent, atleast with the Khaki. It feels sooooo good in your hand and isn't going to slip and fall near as many times as the 3GS or many other phones I've owned before. It has a good weight to it and is much lighter by itself than my 3GS with a case.
Feels like a sturdy phone and does have some good construction around the frame for protection. There is also metal around the lens itself as there should be.
What's this for?
The Not So Good:
Well, I'm worried about scratching the camera lens. I don't know that I ever will and I'm assuming it's made of good glass but it does protrude a bit on the back. There is metal all around it for protection but all it would take is that one certain drop to smash it.
The camera could be better. I mean it does pretty well but, images are just a little grainy to me and I would like to see full manual controls or at least shutter speed control. I don't think there is any real zoom, just digital and I have no idea who makes the lens.
Video recording could be better as well. There is some rolling shutter but, even the DSLR's have that. To me it didn't look like the camera was shooting at 24fps, it didn't look as low as 15 but it didn't look like 24 or 30 either. I could be mistaken about the whole thing though as it could just be that when you record you are only seeing 15 fps but, when you playback you see the full frame rate. I really need more time to play with the phone to give a definite opinion/verdict here. All that being said there is a lot of potential here with the software. I also wonder if using a class 6 or higher memory card will help as well.
*Did a few tests and dropped in a class 6 card. I don't know that it made any difference but I had no problem recording in 1080p and it looked fine to me so I'm thinking it's just that when you are recording the visual feedback you get is only like 15fps or something but when you play back it's the full 24-30 or whatever.*
Although the screen size is 3.7 inches vs the 3GS' 3.4 they are both the same width. So I feel a little fooled about the size of the screen, however it is a good bit taller and the higher resolution and cleaner looking image quality, partially make up for it. I don't feel like "man, this screen is too small" I feel more like "well, it would be nice if it really were a tad wider but, it looks so nice and is a lot taller so I can't really complain"
Bloatware/Bloat. Not really a fault of the hardware but, I do hope HTC slims down sense footprint, and I could do without some of the T-mobile apps that no one will ever use.
Lag. There is some but, I hardly notice it enough to care and I'm sure that will be fixed once we get an update/hack/rom or two.
Final Thoughts
I'm keeping this baby. There is no way I'm sending this back unless there is some kind of major hardware failure or something. There just isn't anything else at T-Mobile that covers all the things "I want" in a cell phone.
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I just received my Khaki today. I pre-ordered on the 19th.
Pretty amazing device in my book. It isn't perfect but, coming from a 3G Slide it's a monster of a phone.
The Good:
Far and away better keyboard. It has a chiclet like feel to it and is much easier and faster to type on than the 3G Slide with plenty of feedback.
The screen is very pretty, easy to read, and I have no problem with the slightly lower resolution as it does not hinder the phone in any way. Very easy to type on the screen too. I was pretty taken back at how incredibly accurate the sensitivity was compared to the 3GS
Nice camera, it isn't an N8 nor will it replace my T3i but, it does offer partial manual controls and you can adjust the exposure +-2 stops for camera and video. Hopefully an update or hack will let you control shutter speed in the future. FYI, ISO is from 100 to 800. Images look a little grainy to me but, I'm coming from a T3i for comparison which isn't very fair.
FM radio is a nice touch and it works just fine.
Call/Voice quality is very good. It sounds better than the 3GS as a whole. It is louder and clearer with less echo and background noise. It does sound a little harsh at high volume but, still better than the 3GS. Let's just say it isn't a Glimmer but, that phone sounds better than any land-line I've heard so again not a fair comparison. However, I was complimented on how much clearer my voice was on the other end of the line and I could hear the other person a lot better than before.
Reception seems/felt a little better than the 3G Slide. Not a great deal better but, I was getting 2 bars of 3G (which oddly shows up as 4G) in a location where I normally get 1 bar. Also, I didn't have to manually set the phone to WCDMA for it to pick it up.
HTC Flashlight app is in here and it uses both LED's
Wifi Hotspot widget is in here too.
Trackpad button thing is so much nicer than the 3GS and it has this neat illumination thing that goes on when it's charging. It isn't bright though, you almost need to be at an angle to see it, it's very subtle but the coolest thing ever.
genius button still says "please wait" but, it's infinitely faster than the 3GS. LOL. if it wasn't I'd probably rip someones head off.
Grip of the phone is excellent, atleast with the Khaki. It feels sooooo good in your hand and isn't going to slip and fall near as many times as the 3GS or many other phones I've owned before. It has a good weight to it and is much lighter by itself than my 3GS with a case.
Feels like a sturdy phone and does have some good construction around the frame for protection. There is also metal around the lens itself as there should be.
What's this for?
The Not So Good:
Well, I'm worried about scratching the camera lens. I don't know that I ever will and I'm assuming it's made of good glass but it does protrude a bit on the back. There is metal all around it for protection but all it would take is that one certain drop to smash it.
The camera could be better. I mean it does pretty well but, images are just a little grainy to me and I would like to see full manual controls or at least shutter speed control. I don't think there is any real zoom, just digital and I have no idea who makes the lens.
Video recording could be better as well. There is some rolling shutter but, even the DSLR's have that. To me it didn't look like the camera was shooting at 24fps, it didn't look as low as 15 but it didn't look like 24 or 30 either. I could be mistaken about the whole thing though as it could just be that when you record you are only seeing 15 fps but, when you playback you see the full frame rate. I really need more time to play with the phone to give a definite opinion/verdict here. All that being said there is a lot of potential here with the software. I also wonder if using a class 6 or higher memory card will help as well.
*Did a few tests and dropped in a class 6 card. I don't know that it made any difference but I had no problem recording in 1080p and it looked fine to me so I'm thinking it's just that when you are recording the visual feedback you get is only like 15fps or something but when you play back it's the full 24-30 or whatever.*
Although the screen size is 3.7 inches vs the 3GS' 3.4 they are both the same width. So I feel a little fooled about the size of the screen, however it is a good bit taller and the higher resolution and cleaner looking image quality, partially make up for it. I don't feel like "man, this screen is too small" I feel more like "well, it would be nice if it really were a tad wider but, it looks so nice and is a lot taller so I can't really complain"
Bloatware/Bloat. Not really a fault of the hardware but, I do hope HTC slims down sense footprint, and I could do without some of the T-mobile apps that no one will ever use.
Lag. There is some but, I hardly notice it enough to care and I'm sure that will be fixed once we get an update/hack/rom or two.
Final Thoughts
I'm keeping this baby. There is no way I'm sending this back unless there is some kind of major hardware failure or something. There just isn't anything else at T-Mobile that covers all the things "I want" in a cell phone.
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Appreciate this! Keep us up to date with the pros and cons!
I have been a very faithful fan of the epic. I have to have a qwerty keyboard and I really need decent battery life. I have seen a few post comparing the two phones but not a real good breakdown. The q seems to have things that I like, qwerty, dedicated camera button, 4.3 inch screen, sd card option, possible better radio, is there any serious good or bad things on the q that I should be aware of? Also if any other ex epic user would want to do a quick comparison of the two devices that would be awesome. Software excluded, I know that the epic had more life than it should as I am running aokp jb on it as I type this.
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I have been a very faithful fan of the epic. I have to have a qwerty keyboard and I really need decent battery life. I have seen a few post comparing the two phones but not a real good breakdown. The q seems to have things that I like, qwerty, dedicated camera button, 4.3 inch screen, sd card option, possible better radio, is there any serious good or bad things on the q that I should be aware of? Also if any other ex epic user would want to do a quick comparison of the two devices that would be awesome. Software excluded, I know that the epic had more life than it should as I am running aokp jb on it as I type this.
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Photon is definitely a step up from the Epic. Battery life is much better. Radios are better. I prefer the software over touchwiz.
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Photon is definitely a step up from the Epic. Battery life is much better. Radios are better. I prefer the software over touchwiz.
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Of all the people to happen to read and reply, I am super happy its you, your reviews and how to's have been very helpful on the epic and I know what you say to be worth while. thx.
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Of all the people to happen to read and reply, I am super happy its you, your reviews and how to's have been very helpful on the epic and I know what you say to be worth while. thx.
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ill second that. I've been waiting to buy till the development for this thing is a little more active. Good to see QB in here.
Also Fyi if you plan on getting one, I saw them at Sam's club for 74 Or 78$
I *was* typing this from the Q, but hit the wrong button and lost the message. Blah.
The Q is very similar to the epic, and is a natural upgrade. There is much more in common between the two phones than there are differences. That said, the Q is hands-down the better android device.
Body: The phones are almost exactly the same size and weight. The shapes and textures feel more different than the size or weight do, and even that is subtle. The general design cues are the same: shiny black plastic with a bezel on top, matte black rubberized plastic on the back. External buttons are laid out differently, but it's mostly just different, not better or worse.
Keyboard: I really like the keyboard layout on the Q. The keyboards are very similar overall, but the Q has a real tab button, an "OK" button which acts as the center of a D-Pad or the press of a trackball and works well with ConnectBot/VXConnectBot. The default keys (as opposed to those accessible by fn) seem better. The layout took me about a week to get used to. I DO miss the hardware home/back/menu/search buttons from the epic keyboard, but I think I'll get used to that eventually.
Screen: I was really worried that the screen would not be as good as the Super AMOLED on the epic, especially in daylight. But the reviews were right, and the screen is great. Very comparable... tough to say which is better in daylight. Colors are bright, but they were on the epic, too. I'm even using auto-brightness, which was always annoying and a battery drain on the epic.
Forget about the extra .3 inches on the display. That is taken up by the software buttons that never go away. For practical purposes the displays are exactly the same size. (Looking closely, the display appears to be 1-1.5mm bigger in each dimension)
The increased resolution is noticeable if you look really closely. I definitely can't see individual pixels at normal viewing distance, so I definitely don't regret not having an "HD" screen. I have noticed that some software looks "odd" in the new resolution. I'm not sure if that's because the apps are old and not updated (gsettlers) or maybe just a font difference. Not a big deal, and it only affects maybe 5% of apps, but it surprised me.
Camera: The reviews were not kind to the camera, but it really is at least comparable to the epic. I haven't really done a side-by-side comparison, but I have had plenty of "keepers" taken with the Q. The camera on the Q is definitely faster. The camera button is definitely nice to have, but is not two-stage. There is no "focus only" half-press. Touching the screen can trigger focus, and this can definitely help in some situations.
Battery: For me, battery life is about the same. Both phones would just about hit the low-battery warnings by the time I would go to bed on a typical day with no charging. That said, I have atypical days all the time, so I just charge whenever I'm sitting near a charger. I did have an extra battery for the epic that I used a handful of times, mostly when traveling. I intend to get a battery powered pocket charger to cover this use case for the Q. It should be noted that the Q is more picky about usb cables. I have at least one usb cable that the Q will not use to charge. All the samsung cables and chargers do appear to work, though.
Radio: The radio is, again, comparable. There are a couple spots where I have noticed better signal than the epic, and a couple where I've noticed worse with wifi. In both cases, the Q seems to do less "hunting" than the epic.
Ports/SD: SD card is more accessible than the epic. Q does *not* come with an SD card like the epic did. A 32 GB card is less than $30 on amazon, though. I haven't had a chance to use the hdmi port. There is no port cover like the epic has for the usb port.
Dock: The car dock for the Q deserves a special mention. This dock is really great, and is a stark contrast to the absolutely crap docks that were available for the epic. The car dock has power and audio out, in a single wire (which is great for hard/subtle installs). The dock also leaves all the buttons and the headphone jack accessible. There is even a removable liner so the phone would fit with a case, although apparently none of the cases released so far fit. The software for car mode is good. Audio is routed correctly, even for bluetooth, which means no more "dock sound redirector" needed. The car mode app even has customizable spots for whatever apps you want, which is a big step up from the comparable samsung apps.
Speed: This is by far the biggest thing you will notice about the Q. Or rather, *not* notice it. You know how the epic is pretty fast, and sometimes, everything is smooth and just works great? The Q is *always* like that. No random slow-downs. No pauses where you hit the button twice because you weren't sure if the first one registered. I didn't realize how big the difference was until I went back to use the epic after a couple days with the Q. I could never go back, now.
Also, the extra memory and storage are great. No more messing with apps-to-sd, and fewer pauses when switching between apps. That said, I'm guessing everyone needs more than 4 GB (of the 8GB internal storage, this is accessible to users) so it's not like SD card is optional.
Audio: Sound is about the same, really. External speaker is plenty loud.
Software: I'm not going to write all that and skip software, even though you aren't interested. I was last using CM9 on the epic, and the transition from that to ICS on the Q was pretty smooth. The home screen app is more capable than CM9, so I haven't switched to another launcher like Nova. Similarly, the lock screen has convenient shortcuts for camera, etc. so I haven't had to customize that. The "quick view" on the stock apps is neat. I don't like that you can't pick which home screen is the one you get to when you hit the home button... it's always the leftmost. The camera app is less customizable than the touchwiz or CM9 ones. Panorama mode is in a menu, for example. Settings/etc are not too different from CM9: there are motorola customizations, but generally in areas that are rarely accessed.
Voice Commands/Voice Dialing are better than the epic in any incarnation. (Froyo, the crappy GB or ICS from CM9)
Root: I waited until the phone was rooted before I bought it (thanks shabby!). Unlocking and rooting was very easy, even compared to the epic, which was pretty easy to start with. Unlocking *will* void your warranty, and adds a boot-time warning message about the unlocked bootloader. The few mods that are available now are all geared towards playing catchup with other roms, things like the toggles in the notification drawer (missing in motorola stock), the 1% battery icon and the power menu with more options. I'm guessing that there will be more and more small mods like this, and eventually custom roms.
I don't know exactly what needs to happen before custom roms can happen, but the *need* for them is very different than for the epic. Samsung was notoriously slow with updates. The rom community had Gingerbread long before samsung provided a rom, and there was never an ICS rom from samsung, let alone JB! Plus touchwiz was much more invasive than Motorola's current offering. Motorola, on the other hand, has promised Jelly Bean updates for new phones, and put cash on the line to prove it. But, the epic *needed* newer android versions because they were faster and had better memory and disk space management. I am curious about Jelly Bean, but I don't feel like I "need" project butter or the other enhancements on the Q.
I do hope that the unlocked bootloader attracts the mod community and especially cyanogenmod given the success I had with CM9 on the epic.
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I *was* typing this from the Q, but hit the wrong button and lost the message. Blah.
The Q is very similar to the epic, and is a natural upgrade. There is much more in common between the two phones than there are differences. That said, the Q is hands-down the better android device...
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Wow. Very well thought out & well written comparison. Thank you zurvan.
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Nice write-up. The only part I don't agree with is the battery. I can get through a full day with this device without charging (even leave it unplugged overnight) I wasn't able to do that with my Epic. I might have just been using a crap governor
KitsunePaws said:
Nice write-up. The only part I don't agree with is the battery. I can get through a full day with this device without charging (even leave it unplugged overnight) I wasn't able to do that with my Epic.
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I agree, my experience with this battery is far better than any of my previous devices, regardless of rom or batt mods.
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Great post/rundown zurvan, hard to add much to that. So far I'm really enjoying the Q as well...my only problem is that I'm in Nashville this weekend and getting halfway decent 3g speeds, which i'm not used to at home...I'll be interested to see how it does under my more normal conditions.
I'm noticing two bugs while typing this post though that I hadn't encountered before...for one, sometimes a letter will render twice when I type, and also sometimes when I make a typo and them arrow back to try and correct it, when I start to type again the cursor will jump back to the end of where I'd last stopped typing and render the next character there again. Alsocaps lock doesn't always work (its not right now). I'm using Chrome at the moment so dunno if its something to do with that or not. I also mentioned before that the keyboard layout is a bit frustrating coming from the Epic..the three keys giving me the most fits are the m (too far to the left) and then the comma and especially the apostrophe/single quote....that one is making me want to bash my head into concrete lol. Also the lack of a shift key on the right is a hindrance as well
KitsunePaws said:
Nice write-up. The only part I don't agree with is the battery. I can get through a full day with this device without charging (even leave it unplugged overnight) I wasn't able to do that with my Epic. I might have just been using a crap governor
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I had the 1800 mah battery for the Epic (from the 4G touch?). That might make a difference.
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PythonFanTN said:
I'm noticing two bugs while typing this post though that I hadn't encountered before...for one, sometimes a letter will render twice when I type, and also sometimes when I make a typo and them arrow back to try and correct it, when I start to type again the cursor will jump back to the end of where I'd last stopped typing and render the next character there again.
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The keyboard/cursor thing sounds like spelling correction. It might be the ICS defaults, or swype, or something. I've definitely experienced it on the epic, too, but forget which combo produces it.
The M/, keys bothered me, too. I *think* I'm used to it, now.
The Q also has a neat, subtle thing: when you turn caps lock on, there's a tiny little light next to the 1 key that lights up. This surprised me.
Also, a major note for epic owners: the GPS on the Q "just works".
Another positive for previous Epic owners....going into developer options and choosing 'Stay awake' so the screen stays on when charging actually stays checked after a phone reboot. I would always have to go in and re-check that on the Epic and it was one of those kind of minor things that still annoys the heck out of me all the same.
Thx guys, after reading what a lot of you said I took the plunge, and I'm happy. A few things, here and there, but I'm still more happy with this even knowing there may not be a ton of dev stuff for a while, than how I was feeling lately about my epic, it was tired.
Blasted across the interwebs from a photon q.
As far as I'm concerned, all I needed was shabbypenguin root and Rangerbry's 1% and toggle mods. I am in no hurry for any roms. The Q just works. I hated my epic and gave it away when the first photon came out. Even with all the devs on the epic, that toy annoyed me.
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Update on battery life vs epic, no contest its way better.
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scratch resistance?
The screen on my epic doesn't have a single scratch on it despite it being almost 2 years old and never having used a screen protector. I was never careful with it and it still looks perfect :good:
Does the photon seem to have the same level of scratch resistance?
I had a epic while it was a good phone, BUT the q blows it out the water!
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The screen on my epic doesn't have a single scratch on it despite it being almost 2 years old and never having used a screen protector. I was never careful with it and it still looks perfect :good:
Does the photon seem to have the same level of scratch resistance?
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I only had it for about 2 weeks now, no screen scratches yet, I did nick the edge of the phone but it rises above the surface of the screen by 1/2 mm to protect the screen so that's nice too. I never used a screen protector on my epic as well and it only got micro scratches(you have to look at the screen in direct sunlight to see them). I did order screen protectors off amazon but I don't know if ill use them, the case I ordered will be probably be enough
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Thanks for the reply
I think the last time Sprint had a top-end phone with a physical keyboard was the Epic, which makes me feel like I have to pull the trigger on this one even though there are a couple things I don't like about it. Who knows when they will have another good one available
I might wait if I thought there would be another in 6 months but history is not on our side there. I wish there was more information about what is in the pipeline.
First post here and happy to see QBKing!
bryanfritz1 said:
Of all the people to happen to read and reply, I am super happy its you, your reviews and how to's have been very helpful on the epic and I know what you say to be worth while. thx.
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Oh Man, I know I didnt post alot in the epic forums, but I'm also very happy to see QBking here.
I bought the Photon Q and have been questioning if it was the right choice, since the lack of ROMS.
Seeing a familiar face in the forum makes me feel alot better about the possibility of roms in the future.
Any other Epic users notice the inabilty to focus on close objects with the camera on the Q?
I'm still using my Epic to take picture for ebay and other things where I need close detail.
I can't lie, I miss my epic a little... but this phone did kinda lay it to rest permanently. I even endured a samsung transform for a while (not even going to say how long), and that's just embarrassing. But out of every android device I've owned with a keyboard, this one puts them all to shame. The keyboard took a little while to get used to, and a few little things here and there are somewhat annoying... but it seems this phone would be pretty flawless after a little development.
Sent from that one mopho...