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I was curious about car chargers and I heard back in the day that if you use a car charger its actually bad for the battery because the power from the car isn't a constant "flow" is that true? Second question is it bad if you leave your Fuze/Touch Pro plugged charging for over 8 hours a day because im at work Mon-Fri and I just leave it plugged in so I was just curious if it will lessen the life of the battery..? Sorry if its dumb questions just curious
I personally use car charger as my main charger.
i used it also for the Herald and TyTnII... and i didn't feel any battery problem.
however you should pay attention for the charger brand/make.
i advise to have the original HTC one.
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... that if you use a car charger its actually bad for the battery because the power from the car isn't a constant "flow" is that true?
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during the start of the engine, the voltage level may drop and the charger may stop charging, but during the time you drive, there's no problem.
The generator produces about 100 A, so the 500 mA or 1 A current of your changer do not matter
So what if you charge you phone for long periods of time even though battery is fully charged? Any neg effects?
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So what if you charge you phone for long periods of time even though battery is fully charged? Any neg effects?
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It's not good for any battery to do that, but usually you go into trickle mode, which protects the battery (I don't know if the charger or the phone controls that). Over-charging batteries is one of the things that kills them. You can tell on your phone when it's in trickle mode, because the LED around the scroll wheel stops blinking (well, I think that's the notification for trickle mode-could be wrong).
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It's not good for any battery to do that, but usually you go into trickle mode, which protects the battery (I don't know if the charger or the phone controls that).
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The phone. Otherwise you couldn't charge via USB
I think the "don't charge in your car or you'll damage your battery or phone" is mostly an urban legend. Yes if you buy a crappy USB cig adapter that doesn't provide stable 5v then good luck. That said, even cheap adapters should be able to provide a good 5v source. 5v regulators have been around for ages. I bought them by the dozen 20 years ago when I was a teenager starting to play around with electronics. Even back then, they were less than a buck each if bought in bulk. So stable 5v supplies are not hard to come by. Voltage dips during startup isn't much of a problem either since regulators (even modern switching ones) only requires 10-20% headroom to operate which means as long as you are seeing 6-7v at the cig adapter, you're good. Your car wouldn't even start if it dipped that low. More likely an issue is the voltage spike that might occur right after the engine starts and the alternator kicks in. Most decent regulators will handle those as well. Chances are, you'll blow your adapter before anything damaging goes to your phone.
Recharging batteries requires a "fixed" current source. Modern rechargeable batteries (Li-Ion, Ni-Mh, etc) have charging profiles for optimal charges. That just means they need different currents at different stages of their charge cycle. It became clear pretty quickly that it was better to build the charging circuit into each device which did the best job for the battery it was designed for. That's been the case since the early mid 90s I think. What this means is that pretty much all devices built to be rechargeable (whether the battery is replaceable or not) only requires a simple consistent voltage source. This is why we have the "Universal" chargers today and why they are so cheap. I would still not pay $20 for one though. I'll spend 10 to get the generic brand which is just as good without the brandname on the package. The funny thing is, most of these power supplies come from just a handful of overseas manufacturers so you might be getting exactly the same thing. The only one's I'd avoid are those really cheap ones like the like the ones you might see on ebay. Most of them are actually good but some less reputable sellers might have gotten reject stock form somewhere and is selling them. These units are rejected because they didn't meet voltage/current specs and the person that was supposed to throw them out sells a huge box of them to someone for $50 or some such.
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Second question is it bad if you leave your Fuze/Touch Pro plugged charging for over 8 hours a day because im at work Mon-Fri and I just leave it plugged in.
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Li-On batteries dont really have a problem with charging them from any state to full, no memory really. However if you have a full charge and leave it plugged in you can burn them out in which case they do not retain that charge for very long. It will over periods of time shorten the life of the battery. It usually wont happen on the first go (depending on how long after full you leave it charging.)
Safest way to keep your battery happy is not to let it drain to complete empty and to take it off the charger when its done.
Interesting info guys.. so it looks like on the safe side that im not going to leave it plugged in for long hours..
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Interesting info guys.. so it looks like on the safe side that im not going to leave it plugged in for long hours..
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most modern battery chemistry has a life of around 1000 recharge cycles. It doesn't matter if they are full charges or half charges so even though there isn't a classic memory affect, it does nibble away at the recharge cycles. To put it another way, a given battery loses 1/1000 of it's capacity every time it's charged to full charge. Not really memory but just steady degration. All charging circuits today either stops charging or does trickle charge once full. BTW, trickle is a term that applies mainly to pb and NiCad betteries.. today's batteries actually use a form pulse charging for maintenance. Now this protects the battery from overcharging but if you leave it plugged in, the charging circuit will basically go into this mode of letting the battery drain a bit and then charging it. This will eat away at a batteries life. A real world example... my wife and I had near identical laptops ant one point. She left hers plugged in most of the time whereas I drained my battery each time before recharging. When her battery started lasting only 10mins on a "full" charge, mine was still at about 1.5hrs. It took her battery only a year to fail where mine didn't go dead (i.e. below 1hr per charge) until over 18months.
My advice is don't leave it plugged in but once it's about 20-30% of full it's ok to recharge. Hell, if you think about, 1000 recharges will last almost 3 years of daily charging. So what if it only lasted 2. Any of us would likely be on to the next phone or be willing to buy a second battery.
When I exchanged my Fuze for a new one at AT&T, the service person said my battery was bad, due to overcharging.(Battery had a slight bulge). She said leaving my Fuze plugged into my car charger and my computer(with charging turned on) degraded the battery. Phone was about 7 months old.
There is an option to NOT charge the battery when connected by USB to the computer.(kind of indicates no automatic charging control)
Well, I use my Fuze as a computer 12-14 hours a day. I want to see the screen, which means I need it plugged in either to the computer or car charger.
If I turn off recharging when connected to my computer, I end up with a dead battery pretty quickly, since I use it a lot as my business phone with a Bluetooth speakerphone.
The AT&T person said this information was given to them by HTC.
bigger capacity battery or get another device(netbook) that can sustain the 'abuse'?
bigger capacity battery won't solve it
Without it being plugged in, the screen turns off. Even a large battery wouldn't last with the screen on all the time, if even you could figure out how to make it stay on.
I had to plug in the earphone dongle and plug the car charger in to that, to get the screen to stay on in my car. Plugging the car charger directly into the phone, the screen would turn off no matter what I tried.
I guess I need to replace the battery every 8-12 months.
Yikes, there's so much misinformation about batteries in this thread, it's frightening.
so point us to better info
All I know was that my battery was bulging a bit after 7 months of use, and it was holding a charge less and less.
And I reported what AT&T told me..
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All I know was that my battery was bulging a bit after 7 months of use, and it was holding a charge less and less.
And I reported what AT&T told me..
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I'm not saying your battery isn't broken, and I'm not saying your charger (part of the phone nowdays) didn't go haywire and break it. I AM saying, however, that leaving the phone plugged in didn't do it (unless, of course, your charging hardware was faulty, in which case you're screwed anyway).
Lithium-Ion batteries don't get overcharged, because they tend to explode. That's generally considered a no-no for batteries, especially in consumer devices, so the charging hardware is designed to stop charging when the battery is full. An occasional "topping charge" is applied (by some chargers) because of the self-discharge of the cells. I kinda doubt that our phones do that, though, because it's only something like 1h of topping charge once every 20 days.
Let me repeat this again for absolute clarity: lithium-ion chargers STOP CHARGING when the battery is full. Leave it plugged in as long as you want, and (assuming the charging hardware isn't broken) it'll be fine.
So you're saying what AT&T told me was bullsh**t
Not that I believe what AT&T says or the given reasons, which didn't make sense from a technical standpoint.
But then you wonder why there is an option in the Fuze to NOT CHARGE the phone when connected to a computer using USB.
And I did see the bulge, and AT&T did replace the battery under warranty.
But then you wonder why there is an option in the Fuze to NOT CHARGE the phone when connected to a computer using USB.
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Perhaps that option is available so when your laptop is not plugged into AC power, you can connect your phone without worrying about draining the laptop battery.
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Seriously doubt that option was designed for laptops.
The phone would take very little from a laptop battery.
And would probably be labeled for laptop use.
I think that the phone drops a few % in power, then recharges, and does that constantly while plugged into a computer, causing the battery to waste the 800-1000 recharge cycles that it has.
Be nice if you could set the phone to not recharge when connected to a computer unless the power dropped 25% --or make it configurable.
Manually turning the charging off/on is impracticable.
Maybe a program can/has been written to cycle the charging off/on properly.
In the Asus manual, they recommend that you charge for 8 hours OR longer to get optimal battery performance. Is this really the case. I mean who has the time to charge this thing 8 hours every day?
If I charge it for, say, 3 hours, is this not enough to fully charge my battery?
On a related note, when I bought my transformer, I charged it via a USB3.0 extension cable. I left it for 8 hours but when I checked, it was only at 97%. I assume that it had something to do with the extension cable. If you don't charge it to full 100% on initial charge, will that degrade the battery performance immediately or is this just a recommendation from Asus to cover their butts in order to prevent RMA's for bad battery performance.
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I usually leave it plugged in overnight. Then it lasts me for most of the day.
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In the Asus manual, they recommend that you charge for 8 hours OR longer to get optimal battery performance. Is this really the case. I mean who has the time to charge this thing 8 hours every day?
If I charge it for, say, 3 hours, is this not enough to fully charge my battery?
On a related note, when I bought my transformer, I charged it via a USB3.0 extension cable. I left it for 8 hours but when I checked, it was only at 97%. I assume that it had something to do with the extension cable. If you don't charge it to full 100% on initial charge, will that degrade the battery performance immediately or is this just a recommendation from Asus to cover their butts in order to prevent RMA's for bad battery performance.
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8 hours charging isfor the first time only, and mine was full after 9 hours. I did not have time to play with it when i just received it because i had to go to work, so i plugged it in and left it for 9 hours long.
It took about 4 hrs to charge the tablet from the mains and about the same for the keyboard dock for me.
I was wondering if anyone uses any of those emergency charger... What do you think is the best one to pair up with the ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity? I was thinking of getting Sanyo's Eneloop Mobile Booster.Any more suggestion?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29330531
Doing this myself.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using xda app-developers app
I've used them on phones before, but not one for my tf700 yet. Hope to soon once some options are out there that have been proven. I like choices.
I purchased the ZaggSparq 2.0 (it was on sale for 50% off a couple weeks ago):
http://www.zagg.com/accessories/zaggsparq.php
It is $100, but I got it for $50. I haven't actually tried it yet, but I'll give it a go tonight and report back.
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I purchased the ZaggSparq 2.0 (it was on sale for 50% off a couple weeks ago):
http://www.zagg.com/accessories/zaggsparq.php
It is $100, but I got it for $50. I haven't actually tried it yet, but I'll give it a go tonight and report back.
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how did it go?
Check out my review/mod for the Anker battery. On Amazon for $59 and it works wonders, can be used for all sorts of devices.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29330531
I use the Anker® Astro2 Dual USB Output 8400mAh External Battery Pack. The original transformer power supply uses a variable charger I believe that uses up to 12v/2.1 A to charge your device (it uses the max when your tablet has low battery life and less when it is near capacity).
My device is limited to 5V on either the 600mAmp or 2 Amp USB port. The tablet does not show itself as charging though when I use the device but my anker device blinks to show that it is charging. I turned my tablet off and left the charger in and the tablet gained a couple of percentage points of battery life after a few minutes.
I didn't know that the larger version could do 9 and 12V, feel like a bonehead for not checking. I got the 8400mAH version because I only wanted my charger to be about the size of my phone at max size otherwise I feel that the portability of the device is compromised (only have so much room in my pockets/bags).
If anyone else understands how charging works, I'd appreciate it if they could explain to me how using only 5v/2Amps would affect my TF700 infinity battery. Thanks.
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I use the Anker® Astro2 Dual USB Output 8400mAh External Battery Pack. The original transformer power supply uses a variable charger I believe that uses up to 12v/2.1 A to charge your device (it uses the max when your tablet has low battery life and less when it is near capacity).
My device is limited to 5V on either the 600mAmp or 2 Amp USB port. The tablet does not show itself as charging though when I use the device but my anker device blinks to show that it is charging. I turned my tablet off and left the charger in and the tablet gained a couple of percentage points of battery life after a few minutes.
I didn't know that the larger version could do 9 and 12V, feel like a bonehead for not checking. I got the 8400mAH version because I only wanted my charger to be about the size of my phone at max size otherwise I feel that the portability of the device is compromised (only have so much room in my pockets/bags).
If anyone else understands how charging works, I'd appreciate it if they could explain to me how using only 5v/2Amps would affect my TF700 infinity battery. Thanks.
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Unfortunately 5v just isn't enough voltage to trigger charging (9v/2a isn't even enough). How long have you had your battery? Amazon has a good return policy, might be able to send it back.
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Unfortunately 5v just isn't enough voltage to trigger charging (9v/2a isn't even enough). How long have you had your battery? Amazon has a good return policy, might be able to send it back.
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Thanks for confirming. Sucks I bought the wrong one but at least the alternative is only a few bucks cheaper.
Welp, the Zagg Sparq 2.0 isn't even recognized on the tablet or with the dock. :/ Seems there's not enough output.
It works fine for my Samsung Galaxy S III, though.
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Does the TF700 dock charge the TF700T Tablet or does it power the tablet directly?
A reviewer on Newegg said that the tablet is able be powered directly from the dock. This would be awesome!
But is it true?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834989154
Pros: ah the idea behind this product is lofty. i mean how can you set yourself a standard in industry when you product you push ends up like this? it isn't a bad dock. by no means. it just doesn't quite go from good to great. it stays behind; it could have catapulted the ASUS Transformer Pad lines into Apple killers. coulda should woulda. but let me continue by naming what it did correctly.
it seamlessly integrates itself the ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T. i mean it's just an awesome thing to do. it clicks on and you really can't screw that up. on the pad and the dock there are arrows pointing where the place the thing i mean how straightforward can you get? but you will be glad the arrows are there because for me it was a little daunting. i spent all this money and i was worried i would screw something up or place it wrong. but once you see the arrows you know how and where these two things should meet.
wow. just a definite "cool" factor. welcome to the 21st century type of "cool" factors.
another awesome thing: when connected with you pad, the dock's battery will drain FIRST. supercool. and if you have the dock charged enough it will CHARGE the pad. awesome. supacool.
ports: there is a usb port...which is awesome! with certain tegra developed games you can use a controller for said game! i mean that is super sick. kinda almost defeats the purpose a tablet but it is an option. doesn't have to be a controller i plugged a 2 GB flash drive and it recognized it no prob. more expandable storage? yes please.
and it also has a sd slot...another storage option. maybe you wanna store those snazzy pics you took. snap a sd card and there you go. kudos ASUS.
3 eggs only you say? and with these cool things? well. it does. prepare for coulda shoulda woulda.
Cons: this COULDA been the bombest keyboard dock you hard earned clams you just shelled for. almost but man oh man...
COULDA: the keyboard aspect is kinda disappointing. it isn't bad but considering i paid around 120 bones for this bad boy it isn't without gripes. the keys themselves depress just fine but for me there really is an audible "clack" to reassure i press said keys. minor gripe but a gripe nonetheless. the touchpad is decent but i expected more. sometimes two-finger scrolling doesn't. it doesn't when you expect it should. at least it looks sleek and is a nice idea. too bad it doesn't wow.
SHOULDA: this dock shoulda been included with the tablet. i know i might be unfair with some gripes but one does expect more for spending that kind of dough.
WOULDA: this woulda been awesome to the max if the battery on this baby lasted longer. i know it depletes itself before the tablet will and i know it will even charge the darn thing. but the battery doesn't last on this unit. maybe i got one that wasn't built properly idk. i sure expected the battery on this dock to last longer. maybe for a four hour use total i had to charge the dock twice. not as good as i thought it would be. rather, a big let down.
Other Thoughts: a cool cool cool idea but it just underwhelmed me in terms of battery life. pros really save this product but the performance to price ratio just doesn't quite cut it. maybe if it came bundled with the ASUS Transformer Pad it would have the awesome aspects hold up well. but the disappointed battery life high price beg to differ. maybe if ASUS just tried harder to execute it woulda been worth the money.
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The dock starts charging the tablet when the charge drops below 70%, and stops charging at 90%. It does not bypass the tablet battery to power the tablet directly as far as I am aware. Though I must say I have not paid attention to that. Perhaps someone else knows.
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Does the TF700 dock charge the TF700T Tablet or does it power the tablet directly?
A reviewer on Newegg said that the tablet is able be powered directly from the dock. This would be awesome!
But is it true?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834989154
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My experience is that the dock charges the tablet once the tablet's battery runs below 70-75%. So if my tablet is fully charged, then the dock isn't supplying any power. But if I use the tablet and the power falls around 70-75%, then the dock's battery starts recharging the tablet. If I'm running a lot of processes on the tablet, then the tablet battery will deplete faster than dock can recharge, so the battery level will continue to go down, albeit at a slower rate.
And the dock recharges on the tablet even if the tablet is off. Let's say the tablet battery is at 60% when I turn off the tablet. If connected to the dock, then you'll see the recharge indicator light is on. When you turn the tablet back on, you'll see that the tablet's charge level has increased and dock's charge level has decreased.
As for tablet being powered directly from the dock, I would think that the dock is charging the tablet and the tablet runs off its own battery, but I'm not sure if this really matters in terms of function. I would think that if the tablet is depleted and the dock is charged, you can still run the tablet by plugging it into the dock and then turning it on but I haven't tested this. (Perhaps the tablet has a minimum charge level it requires before it can be turned on-in which case you can wait for the dock to charge the tablet to the appropriate level.)
Also, in the notification area, you can see the battery level of the tablet and the dock, and you can actually see when the dock is charging the tablet by arrows going from the dock battery level to the tablet battery level.
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My experience is that the dock charges the tablet once the tablet's battery runs below 70-75%. So if my tablet is fully charged, then the dock isn't supplying any power. But if I use the tablet and the power falls around 70-75%, then the dock's battery starts recharging the tablet. If I'm running a lot of processes on the tablet, then the tablet battery will deplete faster than dock can recharge, so the battery level will continue to go down, albeit at a slower rate.
And the dock recharges on the tablet even if the tablet is off. Let's say the tablet battery is at 60% when I turn off the tablet. If connected to the dock, then you'll see the recharge indicator light is on. When you turn the tablet back on, you'll see that the tablet's charge level has increased and dock's charge level has decreased.
As for tablet being powered directly from the dock, I would think that the dock is charging the tablet and the tablet runs off its own battery, but I'm not sure if this really matters in terms of function. I would think that if the tablet is depleted and the dock is charged, you can still run the tablet by plugging it into the dock and then turning it on but I haven't tested this. (Perhaps the tablet has a minimum charge level it requires before it can be turned on-in which case you can wait for the dock to charge the tablet to the appropriate level.)
Also, in the notification area, you can see the battery level of the tablet and the dock, and you can actually see when the dock is charging the tablet by arrows going from the dock battery level to the tablet battery level.
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Thanks for the detailed info!
Do you know if we could use an extra charger to charge the keyboard dock by itself (undocked from tablet)?
I'm thinking of doing this so I can charge both the tablet and keyboard dock at the same time and reduce the overall charging time.
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Thanks for the detailed info!
Do you know if we could use an extra charger to charge the keyboard dock by itself (undocked from tablet)?
I'm thinking of doing this so I can charge both the tablet and keyboard dock at the same time and reduce the overall charging time.
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Yes, you can charge the dock separately. I sometimes do this when I'm watching a movie and the tablet is charged while dock is low on battery.
Did you decide to buy the tablet? I highly recommend Cromi/Cromi-X. I'm still on Cromi 3.4.7 (based on JB 4.1.1) as I really like the mods by lucious.zen (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2232715).
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Do you know if we could use an extra charger to charge the keyboard dock by itself (undocked from tablet)?
I'm thinking of doing this so I can charge both the tablet and keyboard dock at the same time and reduce the overall charging time.
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Yes, that's what I did when I received my TF700 - I used my TF101 charger to charge the dock, while the TF700 was charging with its own charger.
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Yes, you can charge the dock separately. I sometimes do this when I'm watching a movie and the tablet is charged while dock is low on battery.
Did you decide to buy the tablet? I highly recommend Cromi/Cromi-X. I'm still on Cromi 3.4.7 (based on JB 4.1.1) as I really like the mods by lucious.zen (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2232715).
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Yes! I bought a tablet and dock!
Office Depot has it for $380 + I was able to use a $25 off coupon from Staples bringing it down to $365 + tax for brand new!
I have a dock on order as well!
I wanted a TF201 dock for the bigger battery but those are so hard to find.
Neo3D said:
Yes! I bought a tablet and dock!
Office Depot has it for $380 + I was able to use a $25 off coupon from Staples bringing it down to $365 + tax for brand new!
I have a dock on order as well!
I wanted a TF201 dock for the bigger battery but those are so hard to find.
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Congratulations on the purchase and the price! As for the dock, I think the tf700 dock's weight distribution is better so the tablet is less likely to tip over. Hope the games work out for you!
And when you get the dock, you may want to check out the white mouse cursor mod posted by RpR. I posted a modified image for the cursor in that thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2177956
Thanks! I love this tablet and dock combo! It's the most useful thing I own!
I mean, after almost a year of having this thing, this is the first time I've experienced something like this. I thought that my surge protector might have had something to do with it, but no matter where I plug it the dock/tablet combo won't charge. I even tried charging the tablet by itself but that didn't work either and I also thought that it might have been the cable, but my PC still detects the tablet.
I'm running an older version of cleanROM from around the month of May if it helps in some way. I would turn the tablet on to check, but I want to preserve the remaining 5% in order to fix this problem.
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I mean, after almost a year of having this thing, this is the first time I've experienced something like this. I thought that my surge protector might have had something to do with it, but no matter where I plug it the dock/tablet combo won't charge. I even tried charging the tablet by itself but that didn't work either and I also thought that it might have been the cable, but my PC still detects the tablet.
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Seems like a defective cable or tablet. If the tablet doesn't even charge from the dock, it looks more like a defective tablet. If the dock doesn't charge without tablet, it may also be the cable or the charger.
Try this: Keep the tablet off and connect it to the PC (without dock) for a couple of hours - that should charge the battery very slowly (a few % per hour).
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I have had similar problems with my TF 300. After researching more of this I find that most of Asus tablets have similar problems. One is the charging cube tripping an internal breaker and allowing only 5v to come out and trickle charge the unit. Some have placed in freezer or just allowed to cool and they seem to work. Others have just had a no charge problem. The battery symbol comes on when you attach the charge cable then disappears but does not show a charge. Some actually turns on a tablet that was off after attaching the cable but still no visible charge. Some will still charge, they just take longer to charge. It seems Asus knows this and it can happen from a few months old to 1-2 yrs old. Now I'm not sure about most people but to pay $400+- for a tablet and get only about 2 yrs usage is not acceptable. I can understand technology passing a tablet or laptop by, that's technology, but for a product to only have a 2 yr life expectancy is not really allowable and should be addressed by Asus. Hook it up if this is not to old of a thread and try it. It may charge even though it doesn't show. If someone else is reading this with a similar problem then try what I have written. It may still charge even though it says it's not. Write Asus and complain. It seems Asus is a very expensive product to fix also. Galaxy Tabs seem to be a very inexpensive product to fix so they may be a better choice for a very similar tablet. :fingers-crossed:
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I read in one of the threads to put the charger in the freezer for a few minutes and it worked. Thank you.
EskuroKinebi said:
I read in one of the threads to put the charger in the freezer for a few minutes and it worked. Thank you.
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Yes, same thing, only I thought the charger wasn't working, ordered a new one (still waiting), left it off the charger for about 30 hours but on the PC, then connected the charger up again and now it's charging!