Thanks to NFHimself, we can have HSPA on the Atrix. I have uploaded the new radio, and when i go to status it shows HSPA for Network type. Why does it not say that on my Inspire? I am getting good upload and download speeds on it. But it shows HSDPA?
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helushune said:
Wrong forum?
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No its related to my inspire.
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How is it the wrong forum? He's asking about why his Inspire is not showing HSPA in status...
donniesd said:
Thanks to NFHimself, we can have HSPA on the Atrix. I have uploaded the new radio, and when i go to status it shows HSPA for Network type. Why does it not say that on my Inspire? I am getting good upload and download speeds on it. But it shows HSDPA?
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From what I understand:
HSPA is 3G
HSPA+ and HSDPA is 3.5G
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/why/technology/3g-umts.jsp
kirk123 said:
From what I understand:
HSPA is 3G
HSPA+ and HSDPA is 3.5G
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/why/technology/3g-umts.jsp
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My atrix use to allways show HSDPA in status. Now with new radio on it, i am getting better speeds on my atrix over inspire.
kirk123 said:
From what I understand:
HSPA is 3G
HSPA+ and HSDPA is 3.5G
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/why/technology/3g-umts.jsp
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That makes no sense.
HSDPA and HSUPA is what makes up HSPA.
HSPA is 3G and HSPA+ should be 3.5G which means LTE is 4G
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How is it the wrong forum? He's asking about why his Inspire is not showing HSPA in status...
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Yep.
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shawn1224 said:
That makes no sense.
HSDPA and HSUPA is what makes up HSPA.
HSPA is 3G and HSPA+ should be 3.5G which means LTE is 4G
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Makes no sense? You can say i'm partially wrong.. but not totally wrong. Do you feel special or something?
Go into settings>about phone>network... what do you see? HSDPA
kirk123 said:
Makes no sense? You can say i'm partially wrong.. but not totally wrong. Do you feel special or something?
Go into settings>about phone>network... what do you see? HSDPA
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HSPA = HSDPA = HSUPA ... They're all part of the same family (The Johnsons). Highest you can get is 14Mbits down and 5 Mbits up
evolved HSPA or HSPA+ (The Smiths), different family. Highest theoretical speeds 84Mbits down and 22Mbits up.
shawn1224 said:
HSPA = HSDPA = HSUPA ... They're all part of the same family (The Johnsons). Highest you can get is 14Mbits down and 5 Mbits up
evolved HSPA or HSPA+ (The Smiths), different family. Highest theoretical speeds 84Mbits down and 22Mbits up.
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Wonderful now you can sleep tonight...
Now can we get back on topic?
shawn1224 said:
That makes no sense.
HSDPA and HSUPA is what makes up HSPA.
HSPA is 3G and HSPA+ should be 3.5G which means LTE is 4G
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You're never going to come to a consensus on which one is which .something G. The only thing I'll say is HSPA+ is NOT 4G. Maybe 3.99G, maybe 3.9, or 3.75, or 3.5.
Can we please get past the point of what "G" Standard it is.
Speaking of HSPA & HSUPA, on CM7, will it ever show an H+? Also, is there a prop edit tutorial on how to uncap the HSUPA?
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Because I apparently read what I want to read and completely missed the part about him asking about the Inspire. My bad.
helushune said:
Because I apparently read what I want to read and completely missed the part about him asking about the Inspire. My bad.
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Lol. No big deal. We all make misteaks. (<--Intentional typo)
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I know that 4g is better than HSUPA and 3g.
I recently upgraded my phone to Gingerbreadman.
That upgrade made my phone from HSUPA (HSPA) to 3g connection.
Im not quiet sure if it made my connection slower or its the same.
can anyone tell me more informations about this connection? The 3g word has been bothering me(maybe because ive been so used to looking at the HSPA)
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I know that 4g is better than HSUPA and 3g.
I recently upgraded my phone to Gingerbreadman.
That upgrade made my phone from HSUPA (HSPA) to 3g connection.
Im not quiet sure if it made my connection slower or its the same.
can anyone tell me more informations about this connection? The 3g word has been bothering me(maybe because ive been so used to looking at the HSPA)
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What were your speeds like before you did this "upgrade", and what are they like now?
HSUPA has to do with upload
HSDPA has to do with download
HSPA is 3G
HSPA+ is 3.5G which is what at&t calls "4G"
LTE is true 4G and at&t doesn't offer this as of now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wireless_data_standards
mine used to be HSPA+ now its not..
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mine used to be HSPA+ now its not..
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Are your data speeds slow? Are you in an area where theres HSPA+?
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Are your data speeds slow? Are you in an area where theres HSPA+?
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i cant tell the difference but yes im in the area where HSPA+ works
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i cant tell the difference but yes im in the area where HSPA+ works
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Does the ROM you are using have the H+ symbol or does it just show 3G or H?
I think, regardless of what it shows, as long as your data speeds are not affected, then its normal.
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Does the ROM you are using have the H+ symbol or does it just show 3G or H?
I think, regardless of what it shows, as long as your data speeds are not affected, then its normal.
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im using the gingerbread ROM
when its connected to wifi it only shows H but when its not it shows 3g.
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im using the gingerbread ROM
when its connected to wifi it only shows H but when its not it shows 3g.
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Maybe you can try this? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=966172
Any tips on disabling HSDPA on the stock Rom? I know the Galaxy S and S2 have a simple dial code menu to do this, however an easy way on the Nexus S still eludes me.
Thanks in advance.
Why not just tick the "Use 2G only" in wireless settings?
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Why not just tick the "Use 2G only" in wireless settings?
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No, I want to use 3G, just not HSDPA+
I'm dying to know why.
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matt2053 said:
I'm dying to know why.
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There appears to be an issue with Samsung GS2 and Nexus S and my ISP, see: http://community.vodafone.com.au/t5...Galaxy-S-II-Internet-Problems/m-p/24265#M1553
I suspect the issue has to do with this "lock/test/switch" to hsdpa, and I would like to test that theory out
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No, I want to use 3G, just not HSDPA+
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Nexus S doesn't have HSPA+...
You are right, disregard that +
I'm also interested in finding a way to disable HSPA on my Nexus S. For anyone who's interested in knowing why, it's because of a long-standing, infuriating and utterly ridiculous Android bug that supposedly leads to the watchdog service to think that the PDP context has gone down, causing it to ask for a new one. Naturally, the 3G network doesn't allow it, and all hell breaks loose.
How they manage to miss crap like this, I'll never know. The Android kernel source code in question even has a comment in it identifying it as a kludge.
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I think that's only partially true. NS caps at 7.2mb's while a myTouch 4G caps at 11.something. Anyways, they both still use the same HSPA+ network. My friends NS gets about 4-5mb's down, which is about the same that I get on my myTouch 4G in Los Angeles.
So I think the NS still gets HSPA+, it's just capped lower than TMO's 4G phones that's all.
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I think that's only partially true. NS caps at 7.2mb's while a myTouch 4G caps at 11.something. Anyways, they both still use the same HSPA+ network. My friends NS gets about 4-5mb's down, which is about the same that I get on my myTouch 4G in Los Angeles.
So I think the NS still gets HSPA+, it's just capped lower than TMO's 4G phones that's all.
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the ns gets hspa not hspa+. it uses the hspa+ network, but is still hspa.
No offence, but how is any of this related to the issue at hand?
I think you have to disable the data connection altogether or go back to 2G
Unfortunately that's not an option. I still need a data connection, but my carrier has extremely poor 2G coverage in my area. I've read that it is possible to modify the build.prop file to disable HSPA while leaving 3G active, but as I understand it this requires your phone to be rooted. Can anyone clarify on this?
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Unfortunately that's not an option. I still need a data connection, but my carrier has extremely poor 2G coverage in my area. I've read that it is possible to modify the build.prop file to disable HSPA while leaving 3G active, but as I understand it this requires your phone to be rooted. Can anyone clarify on this?
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hspa is 3G
Have we not already had this debate? 3G is WCDMA, which is not HSPA. HSPA is 3.5G.
Just want to ask, what is the difference between H and H+ on Inspire 4G..
H = 3G?
H+ = 4G??
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Yes. The ITU classifies HSPA+ as a 4G technology even though it will never hit their own definition of 4G speed. Wikipedia has a great article about the different 4G technologies. Would post a link if I weren't mobile.
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Just want to ask, what is the difference between H and H+ on Inspire 4G..
H = 3G?
H+ = 4G??
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there is no difference for this phone. In other countries they don't have this magical H+ that AT&T thinks they need to fool their customers with and call it 4g
H and H+ are essentially the same thing when it comes to this phone and Roms. Roms that originate from desire hd land will indicate your 'H+' connection with a simple 'H'
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Just want to ask, what is the difference between H and H+ on Inspire 4G..
H = 3G?
H+ = 4G??
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Yea if you're talking about the icon, you can't really rely on that. Currently ATT has a 3G network which is UMTS. They improved this network a few years ago and were able to push faster speeds and deemed this their HSDPA network, widely referred to as 3.5G. They've just started rolling out their new network, HSPA+, which, like biglittlegato said, is technically a 4G technology. Now they're about to start rolling out LTE, which is also a 4G technology, but capable of faster speeds then HSPA+
But again, different chefs use different network indicators, as do different bases that ROMs are built off of, for the different networks. If you want to know what network you're actually connected to -
Settings - About Phone - Network and look at Mobile Network Type
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there is no difference for this phone. In other countries they don't have this magical H+ that AT&T thinks they need to fool their customers with and call it 4g
H and H+ are essentially the same thing when it comes to this phone and Roms. Roms that originate from desire hd land will indicate your 'H+' connection with a simple 'H'
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+1 on using it to fool customers ...but I do have to admit, I get that warm fuzzy feeling when I see the H+ hahaha.
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+1 on using it to fool customers ...but I do have to admit, I get that warm fuzzy feeling when I see the H+ hahaha.
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Ok, its a long story, but for a while I didn't have a data plan activated on my work phone (the Inspire) all of the sudden it is on, I now get the "H" with CM7 Nightly #179.
So I ran speed test on the Inspire and my OG Droid (VZW 3G), here's some interesting results
So the Inspire (H) got 264ms Ping, 3584kbps d/l, 1679kbps u/l
OG D1 (3G) 228ms, 0.10Mbps d/l, 0.33Mbps u/l
I haven't traveled much since I just got data, but two questions, does anyone know if CM7 shows H+? 2nd, if not, what ROM's may actually goto 4G?
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I haven't traveled much since I just got data, but two questions, does anyone know if CM7 shows H+? 2nd, if not, what ROM's may actually goto 4G?
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no CM7 does not show H+
and i dont understand why its so hard to comprehend. the symbol means literally nothing. there is no secret 4G network that only the inspire can access. its the same network its been for years. its an icon. it means literally nothing. they all get "4G"
im going to say it again, because this question comes up all the damn time.
THE H/H+ ICON MEANS NOTHING
Pirateghost said:
THE H/H+ ICON MEANS NOTHING
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+1 Well stated..!
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Pirateghost said:
no CM7 does not show H+
and i dont understand why its so hard to comprehend. the symbol means literally nothing. there is no secret 4G network that only the inspire can access. its the same network its been for years. its an icon. it means literally nothing. they all get "4G"
im going to say it again, because this question comes up all the damn time.
THE H/H+ ICON MEANS NOTHING
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Agreed it really doesnt and I have started a thread to maybe put this to rest once and for all. HERE
Pirateghost said:
no CM7 does not show H+
and i dont understand why its so hard to comprehend. the symbol means literally nothing. there is no secret 4G network that only the inspire can access. its the same network its been for years. its an icon. it means literally nothing. they all get "4G"
im going to say it again, because this question comes up all the damn time.
THE H/H+ ICON MEANS NOTHING
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Thanks, part of my confusion may have been b/c because my D1 showed in Mbps, while the Inspire showed in kbps. Call it a brain fart, even though the speedometer showed properly during the test how much faster the inspire was, it threw me for a loop.
Since I never had data service with the stock I only had the user's manual to go off of, it shows H+ but no H.
That may be the cause the confusion for most too.
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OP: I see you are running Android Revolution. I've noticed that it doesn't display H+ whereas the stock rom does show H+. I just rooted and installed ARHD and was thrown off by the plain "H".
Local network here just launched '21Mbps 3G USB modem'.
The modem is a Huawei E8120 with the network specs attached.
I see HSPA+ in there, but want to know if I can get my Sensation doing some higher speeds like this modem. I'm stuck on class 10 HSDPA for now, and its SLOW!.
Any help apperciated. Willing to try new RUUs etc as they may be configured for this network.
The best the Sensation can do is 14.4 Mbps.
I thought the hardware inside Sensations and Sensation 4G was identical? Can I tweak my build.prop or radio/RIL to get on this super fast network that seems to be only for users on this HSPA+ 3G modem. Sure its possible!
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I thought the hardware inside Sensations and Sensation 4G was identical? Can I tweak my build.prop or radio/RIL to get on this super fast network that seems to be only for users on this HSPA+ 3G modem. Sure its possible!
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They both can only do 14.4 Mbps.
Don't they have the 1700/2100 HSPA/AWS radios to handle the higher speed? I ALWAYS thought so, but was only officially done on TMOBILE roms. Or maybe I'm just confused. Anyone else?
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Don't they have the 1700/2100 HSPA/AWS radios to handle the higher speed? I ALWAYS thought so, but was only officially done on TMOBILE roms. Or maybe I'm just confused. Anyone else?
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Yeah, they both have the 1700 and 2100 MHz bands. I think it depends on your carrier on what category of speed is enabled on your phone.
Which is what this thread was about in the first place haha but thanks for the bumps
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Which is what this thread was about in the first place haha but thanks for the bumps
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Haha sorry, someone else had a similar issue and ended up buying the T-Mobile version of the handset. You might want to try flashing a T-Mobile radio or something.
Anybody? Devs is this possible?
Hey guys!
Is there a way we can disable the 4G connection and only use 3G? Any help that you guys can as provide will be greatly appreciated!
There is no 4G in Atrix2. Is just a marketing ATT does.
4G = 3G
Shaliuno said:
There is no 4G in Atrix2. Is just a marketing ATT does.
4G = 3G
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4G LTE = LTE (our phone doesn't support it)
4G = 3G + extra stuff to be better... but still techically 4G as it's AT&T's 4th generation of technology
3G = 3G
But I don't think that there's a way you can disable "4G" and only use 3G... you can disable 3G/4G and only use 2G though.
ATRIX 2 supports 21mbit hspa+ that's what they call 4G. 3g is really just slower versions of hspa+ for us. Post above is correct about LTE. LTE is better than hspa+ also.
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There is no 4G in Atrix2. Is just a marketing ATT does.
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my wifes iphone 4 must suck then.
hers is a "3g" and gets about 1.25 mbps
my atrix 2 4G gets 4.45 mbps
i think 4g is a bunch faster than 3g.....
or its just that the iphone a generally crap.
take your pick i suppose.
matt99017d said:
my wifes iphone 4 must suck then.
hers is a "3g" and gets about 1.25 mbps
my atrix 2 4G gets 4.45 mbps
i think 4g is a bunch faster than 3g.....
or its just that the iphone a generally crap.
take your pick i suppose.
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Well it's both really .
But our phone is about as fast as you can get on AT&T's network without using LTE. The OG Atrix also was "4G" but it was only 14.x mb/sec while our A2's radio supports up to 21.x mb/sec (or something around there). The iPhone X's only support 3G.
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ATRIX 2 supports 21mbit hspa+ that's what they call 4G. 3g is really just slower versions of hspa+ for us. Post above is correct about LTE. LTE is better than hspa+ also.
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Not too sure what you guys are meaning when you say better....
I was interested in the differences a while back and after researching around quite a bit, found that the speeds really depended on the phone's programming more so than whether it was LTE or HSPA+.
cowenby said:
Not too sure what you guys are meaning when you say better....
I was interested in the differences a while back and after researching around quite a bit, found that the speeds really depended on the phone's programming more so than whether it was LTE or HSPA+.
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LTE has higher bandwidth, and is less populated. HSPA+ can go up to 21mbit, yes, (which is less than LTE) BUT most AT&T HSPA+ deployments are 7mbit or 14mbit.
HSPA+ users typically see ~4-5mbit or so, maybe up to 7mbit on a 14.4mbit cell, but LTE users typically can see 9-11mbit+.
The best speedtest I have ever gotten on my phone was in the 5mbit range. SLC only has 7mbit HSPA+ from what I can tell, and since AT&T is going to LTE, it appears they wont be upgrading the HSPA+ network any more.
you're lucky. Around my area all you can get is 2-3 mbs.
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you're lucky. Around my area all you can get is 2-3 mbs.
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Thats what I usually get too, but if I am right near a cell tower I can get the ~5mbit speeds.
Yeah, "4G" is actually HSPA+, which AT&T actually was going to call 3G+. The 4G crap came around because T-Mobile marketed it that way and if AT&T stuck with 3G+ they took the risk of people thinking T-Mobile was faster and losing customers. LTE was what they planned to call 4G.
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Thats what I usually get too, but if I am right near a cell tower I can get the ~5mbit speeds.
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Yeah, i'm in Orlando and normally getting 2-4 mbps...
I visited Boston a few Weeks ago and was getting 13!!!!!
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Their hspa+ is like 3.5 g its def better then reg 3g
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I feel as if their labeling of 4g was a bit deceiving as well but its understandable if it was meant to keep up with TMobile because of all the confusion between 4g and 4g lte.
The good news is that I don't believe our 4g is as battery-consuming as 4g lte, its probably about the same as regular 3g.
If you're wanting to limit it to 2g though there is a way to do it even though the menu is left out from our 'Settings'. Use anycut to get to network settings directly and choose GSM only.
At least T-Mobile's HSPA+ is significantly faster than "3G" - not an entirely undeserved title for them. ATT...not so much.
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At least T-Mobile's HSPA+ is significantly faster than "3G" - not an entirely undeserved title for them. ATT...not so much.
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i got 13mbs on at&t so it works good for me
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i got 13mbs on at&t so it works good for me
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That's pretty good. Max I've seen is 11mbit down.
I didn't believe it at first so I reran the speedtest a couple times to make sure.
Mine has topped out around 9Mbps, sadly.
It's not throughput that's bad on a decent 3G network, a lot of time's it's the latency. Meh. Whatever. Long live LTE.
I ran just ran the speedtest.net app and I have 7.20 mbps down and 1.13 up here in Atlanta. Thats even better than basic dsl albiet cable beats it easily....