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Ipad 2 or Motorola Xoom

As stated above I'm getting either one of them but not sure which to get though .
Need some light from u guys and sry if the post was posted before , using my phone D:
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I purchased an ipad2 and traded it for a Xoom as soon as I could. It was a great deal.
The Motorola Xoom is just a nicer piece of equipment. Its heavily customizable. And it has support now to add a SD card which can effectively double your hard drive space.
Oh yeah, and you don't have to use itunes.

kristenm said:
I purchased an ipad2 and traded it for a Xoom as soon as I could. It was a great deal.
The Motorola Xoom is just a nicer piece of equipment. Its heavily customizable. And it has support now to add a SD card which can effectively double your hard drive space.
Oh yeah, and you don't have to use itunes.
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What kristenm said. Ipad2 is for those that just want what's in the box. Xoom is for those that want to make the device really, truly their own.

Hmm hmmm . Its a win win for xoom when comes to customability . How bout its office apps ? Cuz i am going to do docs editing and ppt editing .
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LanceAmr said:
Hmm hmmm . Its a win win for xoom when comes to customability . How bout its office apps ? Cuz i am going to do docs editing and ppt editing .
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I like the Office Suite Pro app. It's for a tablet and with some limited testing, seems most capable and most like MS Office of the 5 available decent office apps. It's available for a free 30 day trial, so check it out. There are also good peripheral apps for printing, scanning, working with pdfs, etc. I would recommend the Hacker's keyboard (just like a pc keyboard), or use the Moto BT keyboard and mouse of your choice (I use MS BT mouse) for much better editing experience.
Hacker's keyboard also incorporates a keypad if you need to enter a lot of numbers.

I own an iPad 2 currently, and I am really considering selling it for a Xoom. Even jailbroken, it just doesn't offer the functionality I want/need. Since the 3.2 update, I think Honeycomb is much better suited for me.
Other than that, I think the iPad is a great device. As long as you don't want to do anything too advanced, it is one of the best tablets on the market. However, since Apple essentially killed the use of USB devices, my personal usage has been hindered drastically.
USBOTG, SD card support, and a useable file system are the biggest reasons, I feel, to go with the Xoom. If you don't need those things, check out the iPad.
On a side note: I have used many Xooms in stores, and I just don't see the big stink about the screen. Yeah, it's not quite as sharp or bright as the iPad or GT 10.1, but honestly, I don't see a big enough difference to warrant how much noise is being made about it.

okantomi said:
I like the Office Suite Pro app. It's for a tablet and with some limited testing, seems most capable and most like MS Office of the 5 available decent office apps. It's available for a free 30 day trial, so check it out. There are also good peripheral apps for printing, scanning, working with pdfs, etc. I would recommend the Hacker's keyboard (just like a pc keyboard), or use the Moto BT keyboard and mouse of your choice (I use MS BT mouse) for much better editing experience.
Hacker's keyboard also incorporates a keypad if you need to enter a lot of numbers.
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Thx will have a look at the app . Hope its good.
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Plagiarising said:
I own an iPad 2 currently, and I am really considering selling it for a Xoom. Even jailbroken, it just doesn't offer the functionality I want/need. Since the 3.2 update, I think Honeycomb is much better suited for me.
Other than that, I think the iPad is a great device. As long as you don't want to do anything too advanced, it is one of the best tablets on the market. However, since Apple essentially killed the use of USB devices, my personal usage has been hindered drastically.
USBOTG, SD card support, and a useable file system are the biggest reasons, I feel, to go with the Xoom. If you don't need those things, check out the iPad.
On a side note: I have used many Xooms in stores, and I just don't see the big stink about the screen. Yeah, it's not quite as sharp or bright as the iPad or GT 10.1, but honestly, I don't see a big enough difference to warrant how much noise is being made about it.
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Hmm hmmm , seems that ipad still limits i see . My main concern is office work and internet browsing =l . But thx for the heads up

Xoom definitely or any other Android 3.2 tablet for that matter. I just purchased a 1TB External Seagate drive and loaded it with about 400GB's of movies, shows, anime, etc and I'm loving it. Just the ability to do more things than the iPad 2 are worth it.
I owned the iPad 2 for a week. It was lame and I hated that I couldn't plug in a PS2/PS3, WiiMote, Xbox controller to it to play my emulators. You just get more options with third party peripherals.
I love my Xoom and I also own the 1st Gen iPad. My 2 year old plays with the iPad and knows how to navigate it and play her games. That right there tells you a lot. I don't even look at the thing when I get home.

okantomi said:
What kristenm said. Ipad2 is for those that just want what's in the box. Xoom is for those that want to make the device really, truly their own.
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100% agree...
Simply wanna play great apps? - ipad2
Wanna 'play' the device? xoom
greedy? take both

unless you buy an iFAD you're NOT COOL and have no STATUS!..at least that is what mindless "individuals"who only want to be unique in a group (oxymorons...) Would want you to think....open source rules all. Let the mindless drones who only want a giant iPod touch have them...I will keep my xoom with expandable storage, otg support, custom recovery, rooting, overclocked dual processing, awesome stargate theme, developer supported community, wifi tethering wonderfulness, etc etc etc etc

I was thinking between gt 10.1 and ipad 2 and it was (FOR ME) still a hard choice. The price was the same, gt had better hardware, but the tablet was supposed to be a toy, so I chose ipad.
for or so, you can buy cck, which allows you to use sd cards and usb.
with iFile, available in cydia u can totally manage your file system on the ipad.
with some plugins in safari you can download any file, even torrents
You can install an ssh client on the ipad
I'm not an apple fan, I use android phone and it's great, but for entertainment my weapon of choice was apple. Because of the apps (more games) and 4:3 screen which is better for web viewing.
Another thing was the battery which is said to last about 2 hrs longer than the GT's (dunno how about xoom, though)
It has access to dropbox, good vnc clients, office apps (quickoffice or pages, the second one seems very intuitive, haven't used it for real yet).
Both cams are sh*tty, and it's a very delicate word to describe them
The ipad isn't as customizable as any android, which everyone knows, but, for myself, it's a very nice toy. I'm still trying to turn it into work device
Summarizing, it all depends on what you want to do with the tablet, ipad is better for games, has better tailored apps(because of the sick apple policy), seems better for web browsing because of screen proportions.
Android is better for films, and ofc customization, connecting external devices, (but there are also some apps for the apple allowing to do some of that stuff), dlna. And, of course, android has flash, which I don't use but sometimes can come handy. there is though iSwifter, a browser that supports flash enough to watch online movies.

Plagiarising said:
I own an iPad 2 currently, and I am really considering selling it for a Xoom. Even jailbroken, it just doesn't offer the functionality I want/need. Since the 3.2 update, I think Honeycomb is much better suited for me.
Other than that, I think the iPad is a great device. As long as you don't want to do anything too advanced, it is one of the best tablets on the market. However, since Apple essentially killed the use of USB devices, my personal usage has been hindered drastically.
USBOTG, SD card support, and a useable file system are the biggest reasons, I feel, to go with the Xoom. If you don't need those things, check out the iPad.
On a side note: I have used many Xooms in stores, and I just don't see the big stink about the screen. Yeah, it's not quite as sharp or bright as the iPad or GT 10.1, but honestly, I don't see a big enough difference to warrant how much noise is being made about it.
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The iPad is a TOY for people who sold their souls to steve jobs. Xoom is a great corporate, multimedia, Productivity, gaming, Personal device all packed into one extremely well built device

No question: XOOM.....

i would have to say both have their merits. I have both the iPad 2 and the Xoom. the Xoom is a very nicely build device. However, most people look for apps to play on the device. when i got my Xoom and looked for well written native HC apps, i was sorely disappointed. yes, HC is great for customization, but the lack of natively written apps are what hurt HC in the long run. Most people don't care about how much you can customize a device, they just want it to work, have a great experience and lots of native apps. And i can hear you say, well you can run regular android apps on it. Yes, you can. however, they all have a stretched look. I can also hear you say "iPad does that with iPhone apps too. Yes, it is true, however, they double in pixel, not stretch. i love my Xoom and i love my iPad, but for a device that has a better fit, finish and works right without having to resort to what i said above, I'm sorry to say, my iPad 2 has first dibs in my shoulder bag.

kenfly said:
The iPad is a TOY for people who sold their souls to steve jobs. Xoom is a great corporate, multimedia, Productivity, gaming, Personal device all packed into one extremely well built device
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Just because someone uses an Apple product doesn't mean they "sold their soul to Steve Jobs." That logic doesn't work, and could be turned around to use as a weapon against ANY company.
The way I see it, if you want something that solely relies on apps to accomplish a task, the iPad is a fantastic product. The quality of apps for it are great, something that Android has not accomplished yet, but I feel will come eventually. My biggest gripe is the fact that I don't really use apps on my iPad. The things I want to do with it are mostly done with a web browser and in the file system. I know this makes me the minority, but I just don't need thousands of apps on a tablet.
I was initially going to buy a Xoom, but with the $800 launch price tag, I couldn't justify it. Now that the WiFi model is readily available, I think now is as good of a time as any to pick up a Xoom.

I stopped playing games on my iPad because stupid in app purchases in order to get further in the game. It seems like mostgames are heading in that direction.
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Lol Ipad 2 is no match for xoom!

These type of threads are usually started by Apple Fanboys that are personally insulted everybody does not like to live by every Apple whim.
The best tablet is one where you get all of your content slaved to a PC ( um Mac ), where you get to use only one method that counts for buying stuff ( iTunes ). where you get the best interface in the world a grid of icons and folders containing icons. Things like having a variety of hardware manufactures and customizing are not important they confuse people. The best tablet has "Facetime"...... and is advertised by 100s of commercials that say this is so.
I am not much of an Apple fan I sold my iPad2 to get my Xoom and never been happier.

Top hardware but lots of stuttering: do we deserve better?

OK, I bought an Android Tablet. Although the iPads probably are better for the average user, that's not the case for me: I'm a developer, a tweaker. I want to root stuff, to play with widgets, customisations, and so on. That's why I feel more related to Google than to Apple.
So I went for an Android tablet. I did not want a cheap, slow, outdated one like the ones you can buy at the supermarket for no money.
I was going for quality, so I bought an Asus Infinity. The tablet with the fastest hardware you can get. Splendid HD screen. Nice hardware keyboard included. This should be a top buy!
I have the tablet for some days now, and yes, the hardware is quite good. Decent aluminium unibody, although the color is not my style and the shiny metal catches all finger prints. The 1920 x 1200 display is really outstanding. No complaints here.
But where it goes wrong is the software ...
Android ICS, with minor tweaks by Asus, looks ok. But the OS and apps don't run smooth at all...
Apps run slugish or even freeze for seconds. Even keyboard input hangs sometimes. The stock browser and the Google Chrome browser can render basic sites quite well, but more advanced stuff like animations and video is just bad.
I compared with an iPad 1 and the iPad almost always wins involving smoothness of scrolling and interacting with inline video. An iPad 1, more than 2 years old, is faster than the Android tablet with the fastest hardware available on tablets. That's just ... sad. Very disapointing.
Another problem is the fact that no sites are well tested on Android, resulting in quirks that probably are solved on iOS because every decent site developer does test on his iPhone and iPad. But not on the huge number of Android devices out there. And being a developer myself, I know by experience that each device can have its own quirks.
A good example is wrong platform detection, resulting in bad user experience at the best, lack of features, or even no content at all at worst. 'You need to install Flash to run this site' ... Ok, Android can run Flash, but its days are over, as we all know.
So, what's up next?
Shall I make use of the 'cooling down period' and return this tablet? Exchange it for an iPad3? Will Jelly Bean solve some issues? Will these problems be solved by a system update? Will future sites be rendered better when html standards are used more often and Android browsers improve?
That’s a lot of if’s, no?
Apps running slow:
-stock browser
-Chrome
-Dolphin browser: better than the above, but css3 transformations/animations still very bad compared to iOS
-Google plus: scrolling the items is really bad
-Pulse: swiping between pages of an open article is slow and stutters
-Google Earth: slow and even crashes
Apps running ok:
-gmail: smooth
-currents: rather ok, sometimes
-Plume: ok
-Google maps: smooth
I guess, the situation will improve over time. But when will that be? If ever?
Did I expect too much? Am I exaggerating?
Your thoughts please!

My thoughts are that you cannot compare ipad and Android. Everyone keeps saying how smooth is ipad but everyone seems blind to all of the things iPad cannot do and Android (especially the Infinity) does.
I will not make an extensive list but just mentioning browsing the Web, half the websites are gone with iPad: no flash support and even the supposely replacement html5 renders quite poor on iPad. Check the html5rocks slides for instance.
If you are not sensible to that, get an iPad and you will be stuck but happy. Otherwise, open up and discover what Android had to offer.
the change log for jelly bean are out.check them out, that brings quite some news and fixes.
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chevdor said:
My thoughts are that you cannot compare ipad and Android. Everyone keeps saying how smooth is ipad but everyone seems blind to all of the things iPad cannot do and Android (especially the Infinity) does.
I will not make an extensive list but just mentioning browsing the Web, half the websites are gone with iPad: no flash support and even the supposely replacement html5 renders quite poor on iPad. Check the html5rocks slides for instance.
If you are not sensible to that, get an iPad and you will be stuck but happy. Otherwise, open up and discover what Android had to offer.
the change log for jelly bean are out.check them out, that brings quite some news and fixes.
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Don't get me wrong, I am very aware of the benefits of Android. That's why I bought an Infinity ;-)
But I have a strong feeling that surfing the web is just a better experience on an iPad ... and surfing is a primary task for me and most of us.
Dolphin HD works the best, but still regular freezes of seconds. I guess this should be better with the outstanding hardware of the infinity, no?
Tnx for your response.

Gert Stalpaert said:
I guess, the situation will improve over time. But when will that be? If ever?
Did I expect too much? Am I exaggerating?
Your thoughts please!
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I know this is not the ideal answer regarding a device you just paid top dollar for but: it may have some software issues but it also has highly capable hardware. Thankfully, there will be many great developers paying attention to this device. Either via official updates or through the combined efforts of the community (or both), I expect most of the issues will be worked out. At the very least, the updates Jelly Bean brings address the lagging and stuttering on Android, and this device will most likely get it soon enough. You can rest assured knowing this is one of the best Android 10-inchers out there and with the proper support it can only get better.

I have only had android tablets up to this point.
I have had the Asus Tf101 and 201. I always found something laggy, or apps crash, etc. Even putting custom ROMS on them caused them to have unique issues based off of whatever ROM I put on it. SO I was constantly re flashing to the new ROM, hoping it fixes the issues and doesn't cause additional issues.
I spent more time flashing, than just using them. What fun is that?
So after I heard all the weird Asus Infinity issues, I canceled my Asus order. I ordered an Ipad 3. Should have it thursday of next week.
But I am using the Ipad 1 that is a work tablet, and it just works. No crashes, no weird little issues.
I am sold. I can't believe I hated the Ipads so much.
One negative to the Ipads though, that I will miss. And that are the widgets and live wallpapers. Other than that, Ill kepp my android phone, but the tab will be an Ipad.

acdcking12345 said:
I have only had android tablets up to this point.
I have had the Asus Tf101 and 201. I always found something laggy, or apps crash, etc. Even putting custom ROMS on them caused them to have unique issues based off of whatever ROM I put on it. SO I was constantly re flashing to the new ROM, hoping it fixes the issues and doesn't cause additional issues.
I spent more time flashing, than just using them. What fun is that?
So after I heard all the weird Asus Infinity issues, I canceled my Asus order. I ordered an Ipad 3. Should have it thursday of next week.
But I am using the Ipad 1 that is a work tablet, and it just works. No crashes, no weird little issues.
I am sold. I can't believe I hated the Ipads so much.
One negative to the Ipads though, that I will miss. And that are the widgets and live wallpapers. Other than that, Ill kepp my android phone, but the tab will be an Ipad.
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I had been considering getting a new iPad rather than waiting for Android to get the tablet basics right; however, the main reason why I haven't is my dislike for Apple's motto of litigation over innovation. So I will give Android tabs another chance and get the Infinity. There will definitely be another *new* iPad and this will certainly not be my last tablet. Hopefully Jelly Bean will improve the whole experience. If it gets it and I love it, then great. Otherwise, I am sure I will be able to sell it for a decent price.

I see what you mean. I figure when you can get a tab with Jelly Bean, I hope that android tabs will work better. I hope so. Android is open source and great things go on with newly developed ROMS.
I just can't handle all of the crap wrong and all of the constant issues having to be fixed. For awhile, Ill use the Ipad 3 and wait until android really kick ass. Unless the new MS Tablet is even better.

Android will never compete with UI experience in comparision to Apple unless they change the underlying system.
Apple gives all power to the UI first which results in a smooth experience. But that will also cost power for background tasks. So while you can smoothly scroll your pages in a PDF suddenly it takes ages to load a page, I have seen it.
Android is balanced. So you might see stuttering while scrolling through PDF's but pages will load a lot faster.
That as an example.
It is up to you what system you prefer.
There is a detailed blog post by some google dev somewhere, couldn't find it, sorry.

Jelly bean will definetly smooth out anything having to do with touch response such as scrolling and pinch zooming. That is if it does what its supposed too.
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My suggestion is to go try out a Nexus 7 and see how smooth it is. The Infinity will be very similar to that once it's updated to Jelly Bean.

KilerG said:
My suggestion is to go try out a Nexus 7 and see how smooth it is. The Infinity will be very similar to that once it's updated to Jelly Bean.
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This is only our wishful thinking, not a fact yet.
I don't see iPad outperforming Infinity in real life performance however, apart from lags when copying large amounts of data (I can't seem to notice iPad 2 being better for browsing, tried it with iPad 2 today - and remember that on the Infinity it is 1920x1200; iPad 3 with a somewhat better resolution has been reported to become burning hot btw).

What bothers me is not the issues with Android, but the shortcuts and crappy manufacturing that seems to plague the category. Asus, for example, comes out with innovative stuff but seems to chronically release devices before they're ready. Samsung came out with a solid, if uninspiring, 10 inch tablet last year, but the new one has been getting reviews that say it's inferior to the previous model. The Nexus 7 is finally rolling out, but with reports of sloppy build -- Asus strikes again? The Acer has decent specs on paper but doesn't make the target in terms of real-life operation.
I hate Apple with a fire deep in my belly. But, most of the time (iPhone 4 antenna excepted), when they release a mobile product, it's ready to roll -- functionally and aesthetically. Much higher initially quality than the Android products I've had or shopped.
Seriously, how fooking hard can it be to put together a decent feature set and build it properly?

I see your point. There have been numerous bugs in every single iPhone version however. My friend who was apple-lover has returned 80% of their devices in the recent years - from iPad 2, through MacBook Air to LCD.
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It lags due to the weak Tegra 3 GPU not able to run at full 60fps for the 1920x1200p.
Heck it even lags on 1280x800 sometimes. Even with Jelly Bean, it will still have hiccups due to the GPU limitation.

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It lags due to the weak Tegra 3 GPU not able to run at full 60fps for the 1920x1200p.
Heck it even lags on 1280x800 sometimes. Even with Jelly Bean, it will still have hiccups due to the GPU limitation.
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You say this, yet the Tegra 3 used in the Nexus 7 isn't as good as the one in the Infinity. The GPU is plenty capable, as it's buttery smooth in Jelly Bean. There is no GPU limitation, it's software at the moment.

So here is my quick background.
I have been a huge fan of tablet. I started out with Windows based tablet back when it was Windows XP that was like 7-8 years ago. Then I moved onto very first android tablet Xoom. Switched to Samsung Galaxy 10.1. Due to specific application only available on Ipad, I had to go with Ipad so I bought iPad 2 and sold Galaxy 10.1, which I still have. I then got Galaxy 10.1 4G Verizon back, which I sold in anticipation of Transformer infinity..
So with that, here is my take on iOS vs. Android.
"Really depends on what you do."
Stability/Fluidity: iOS
It is indeed the fact iPad runs smoother. Though there are some test showed higher stability rate of Android over the iOS, my personal experience goes along with crowd i.e. iOS is more stable. BUT I have not tried ICS (nor New iPad).
Also there is another catch here. iPad is not fail safe. It does still crush and if it crush, it crushes constantly i.e. simply cannot open the file or perform the action.
Multitasking: Android
As someone else suggested earlier in this forum, this is probably due to difference in the underlying focus/design motto between iOS and Android. iOS DOES NOT do real multitasking. I know some say it does, but it's not true for at least the current iOS version and with my iPad 2.
It basically freezes/hibernate the background application. I tried to download files in background several times, or have some application load files into, which usually takes several minutes as it tries to decompress or do whatever it needs to. So after launching these tasks, I go surf web with different browser or application. I go back there is nearly zero progression. There may be minimal multitasking as I have seen progression of downloading file for like 1MB after 10 minutes but this happened more like within the initial few minutes or seconds and since then it had to be frozen in background because I did check this after 2 minutes and still the progression were the same.
Alternatively, needless to say but Android allows you to download files in background but sounds like transformer line suffers from hanging when this happens. I never used torrent on tablet but I remember downloading some files like 100MB+ on web in background while I was using some other application, which usually worked no problem but my foreground application was not demanding.
Applications: Mixed
This is where it really comes down to what you want. Many says Apple store is better, which I agree with games. So if games are your priority, I go with iPAD. It may change in the future, but by the time it changes basically you can buy newer better tablet anyways. So for now for games, go with iPad. But personally, if truly want to play games, I'd rather by portable gaming system like 3DS or PS Vita... But that's just me. Apple store certainly have more selections, and better optimized for iPad. However, many of iPad applications are not free and no real trial. So you have to sort of buy and see.
Whereas, android has tons of applications that are free with ad. This may be one reason why app developers are not making much money on Android market hence avoiding or deprioritizing... who knows. But some applications are simply better on Android. For instance, I use Anki which is perhaps the best cross platform flashcard application. If you want to have the real version of Anki on iPad it costs $20+. You can sort of do a work around with cheaper $5 application but you won't get autosynch of decks, no statistics transfer etc. Whereas on Android.... It's FREE and does autosynch. Other application is ebook reader like epub and pdf. When comparing iPad applications to the Android at least iPad 2 vs. Galaxy 10.1, large files like 300+MB epubs opened much quicker on Galaxy 10.1. Not sure if this is due to pure CPU advantage vs. application difference.
Notifications: Android
Sort of fits into the multitasking but iOS notification is less invasive (using good term), less evident (more of cons for me). When I get new email, Android nicely shows pop up on the corner. In IOS, I generally have no clue until I close my application and check my email. Though notification works with iMessage so may be its just Apple deciding who gets what access to the notification.
File Transfer/Management: Android
Huge downside of Apple. In last 6 months or so, they have added wifi file transfer/synching but this happens only when you have your iPad plugged into outlet.
Individual applications may decide to offer wifi file transfer, but generally slow and its individual application based.
Files are local to each application so very easy to have duplicated files consuming your hard drive space. For instance, if you have a book in iBook, opening it in other EPUB reader you simply have to make a duplicate copy within the other application.
Android is basically simply drag and drop and generally most files can be open from any application anywhere though some does make its own local copy. As far as transfer, AirDroid is such an awesome application.
Jellybean:
The theme of this is amazing. The functionality is not ground breaking but Google finally decides to put emphasis on the UI fluidity. So if it achieves what its intended, I think overall Android simply becomes better ecosystem as it already offers more functionality and flexibility but the major drawback/downside was the UI fluidity. Though as far as application stability, I am not sure if Jellybean is answering that part as I never read anywhere specifically stating such. In any event, ASUS generally so fast in pushing the latest version of Android, I would personally wait until Jelly bean comes out and see if it truly solves the issues. Its definitely a possibility but no gurantee so buying something based on the speculation may not be an optimum unless you got tons of money to spare.
Nexus 7:
Just like Jellybean. This is simple speculation, and probably we should not buy a system based on "what will likely to happen" because there is no guarantee. But I am speculating/hoping when Nexus 7 sells well, which probably does. Developers will have much better support on tablets. Even though Nexus 7 is 7 inch tablet, its resolution is compatible to non-high def android tablet i.e. in theory all the nexus 7 optimized applications will look native on the non-high def android tablet though button layouts may be slightly suboptimal. This is definitely much better than scaling phone app onto the tablet resolution.

I also 'hope' that ASUS gets their act together and resolves the IO issue and lag, or that JB really does the trick. But care should be taken I'm afraid: I'm sure there were many Transformer Primer users who went ahead and purchased 'hoping' the GPS issue was software resolvable; they weren't, it was terminal, and GPS was removed form the official specs. ASUS has a track record.
Lets face it, the camera click issue on 'press to focus' is a hardware design fault (they have not insulated the microphone/s from the focus mechanism). Hard to see how that will ever be solved. It is not an issue that will bother many but what is significant is that it is a sloppy, muppet mistake like the GPS issues on the Transformer Primer that could have been easily avoided - a mistake that camera manufacturers like Casio were making 10 years ago on early digital cameras (I know, I had one). That's just not good enough ASUS.

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I also 'hope' that ASUS gets their act together and resolves the IO issue and lag, or that JB really does the trick. But care should be taken I'm afraid: I'm sure there were many Transformer Primer users who went ahead and purchased 'hoping' the GPS issue was software resolvable; they weren't, it was terminal, and GPS was removed form the official specs. ASUS has a track record.
Lets face it, the camera click issue on 'press to focus' is a hardware design fault (they have not insulated the microphone/s from the focus mechanism). Hard to see how that will ever be solved. It is not an issue that will bother many but what is significant is that it is a sloppy, muppet mistake like the GPS issues on the Transformer Primer that could have been easily avoided - a mistake that camera manufacturers like Casio were making 10 years ago on early digital cameras (I know, I had one). That's just not good enough ASUS.
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Good job copying and pasting from your other thread.
The I/O issue isn't hardware related from what I can tell. It really just seems like something that just needs to be resolved in the kernel.

robhorsefield said:
I also 'hope' that ASUS gets their act together and resolves the IO issue and lag, or that JB really does the trick. But care should be taken I'm afraid: I'm sure there were many Transformer Primer users who went ahead and purchased 'hoping' the GPS issue was software resolvable; they weren't, it was terminal, and GPS was removed form the official specs. ASUS has a track record.
Lets face it, the camera click issue on 'press to focus' is a hardware design fault (they have not insulated the microphone/s from the focus mechanism). Hard to see how that will ever be solved. It is not an issue that will bother many but what is significant is that it is a sloppy, muppet mistake like the GPS issues on the Transformer Primer that could have been easily avoided - a mistake that camera manufacturers like Casio were making 10 years ago on early digital cameras (I know, I had one). That's just not good enough ASUS.
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ASUS has problems with attention to detail. Failing to notice these issues is completely indicative of poor engineering and lacking quality control. Users have been identifying problems right away. I can deal with minor software discrepancies; those can eventually be solved. However, basic hardware problems like these are alarming. On their own they might seem minor, but compounded (camera, I/O, screen ripples, SD card support, ...) I wonder if ASUS just took a bunch of hardware components, fit them together like a puzzle, and then sat on it for months without testing waiting for release. This device is coming half a year after it was announced. These issues could have been corrected.

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Good job copying and pasting from your other thread.
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It wasn't exactly the same. ...same poor design and manufacture problems, so same opinions and comments apply, sorry, fact.
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ASUS has problems with attention to detail. Failing to notice these issues is completely indicative of poor engineering and lacking quality control. Users have been identifying problems right away. I can deal with minor software discrepancies; those can eventually be solved. However, basic hardware problems like these are alarming. On their own they might seem minor, but compounded (camera, I/O, screen ripples, SD card support, ...)
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Bang on the point, thanks. And compounded also with the Prime GPS debacle.
I doubt Apple will let another Antenna-gate slip out, we'll see.

infinity vs ipad 3? help me decide.

So I'm a college student looking for a tablet to do some basic browsing, watch movies, and play some light games. I have already purchased an iPad 3 but then heard about the asus infinity, not sure if I should return it and get the infinity.
Things I like about the ipad:
Terrific screen, watching movies on it is incredible.
iOS is very smooth and bug free
eTextbooks are very convenient as I can mark them with Goodreader
Things I dont like:
iOS not as open as android(So far only missing game emulators and open file system that i have on my android phone, other than that iOS suits my needs... so far)
Things I like about the asus:
Android(for its open environment)
Better cameras
Faster Processor on paper
keyboard dock
Things I don't like:
Asus quality control is terrible compared to apple.
problems are already surfacing
battery life is much worse
Screen res not as high as the iPads.
So far android is far from perfect and lacks many tablet apps.
Aspect ratio is great for movies but is inferior for browsing and reading, portrait mode is kind of awkward.
Asus is blatantly mimicking apple with their packaging, their own form of smart covers, and their advertising videos(all the big names of the company in the video talking about the product, whole video giving off a feeling of a sophisticated yet elegant product) not that all this should matter.

Ipad3
The keyboard/battery is the only real advantage to the infinity
And i dont like apple

For what you need, just stick with iPad.

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That's quite the understatement. There's tons of things that an Infinity has over an iPad 3, but not all of them matter to everyone. HDMI/USB/SD ports, better multi-tasking, better screen brightness, file system, ROMs, emulators, floating apps (browser, video, notes, IM), controller support, and several other little things.
So to pick which tablet you want, it's all a matter of functionality. The Transformer series was made for bridging the gap of tablet/laptop, which is what made me buy it. The iPad is more bridging the gap between phone/laptop. iPads run very nicely, are definitely great quality, but you can never really dig into it and make the system your own. I've used iPads and while I enjoy them and it made a great accessory for sitting on the couch or the like, it could never come close to replacing my laptop, where the Transformer series can do that for the most part.
So for the OP, I probably would recommend an iPad because it seems they want more easy fun out of it than hacking and getting a million different uses out of it like people do with Transformers. Also, they seem to be a bit on Apple's nuts with that last bit in the post.

There's apps and tweaks on a jail broken iPad that surpass anything else in mobile in my experience. Amazing developers working in that. Better app store too. But you'll also be fighting with Apple all the damn time to have it. Personally I'm bored with iOS but it's still probably the best tablet going.
As of now you can jailbreak the iPad right out of the store in about 5 mins, it's so easy. That the won't last and then you wait again. If that matters to you. Also, there are a lot of bitter anti-apple people here it's asking for some trollish responses to ask that in the T700 forums. But maybe I'm happily wrong about that.
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If you think Apple products are bugfree then buy an apple product.
i don't like iTunes and as far as I know from my iPhone times, copying music and movies is only possible with iTunes.
It's much easier with the infinity. there you simply can connect your infinity directly to your windows network and copy whatever you want wherever you want. with VLC or another player you are able to play almost every file-format without converting

In my opinion, neither is "better" than the other - hell, like I said in another thread, you really can't even compare iOS and Android in an Apples-to-Apples (no pun intended!) comparison. They really are different beasts for different functions.
As already stated, Apple's hardware is very high quality, but then again, Apple devices are missing half of the hardware that the Infinity supports (HDMI, SD, MicroSD, keyboard dock, etc). Maybe Apple would have more hardware issues if they packed all of those devices in their iPad - who knows.
On the software front, iOS is very polished and stable but also very "locked down" compared to Android. Android apps scale much better than iOS apps, which makes the fact that there are less tablet-specific apps a little less painful since even apps written for phones look nice on Android tablets.
Also, keep in mind that iOS was written to support only a handful of devices while Android supports hundreds (or maybe even thousands) of different devices using different processors, different screens, etc, which is what makes it less stable on the software side (in my opinion, it's to be expected).
As already stated, if you just want to play games, watch movies and surf the net, the iPad is probably the better choice.
If you want a Netbook replacement as well as a nice tablet, then the Infinity is a better choice.
For me, it's a no brainer due to the dock. I actually own an iPad 1 and I loved it - until I got sick of Apples crap and noticed the Asus Transformer series! Never looked back and I do *not* miss dealing with Apple and iTunes!
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It is truly your preference between iOS vs. Android ecosystem.
Hardware specs are irrelevant in my opinion as in the end they seem to even out.
1. Screen resolution - Ipad 3 has better resolution on paper and it indeed has but as some reviews suggested the difference is much less noticible than from traditional tablet resolution to Infinity. Whether your eye can truly tell the difference or not, you really have to pull up probably two system side to side, but that's the only time you may notice.
2. CPU - Infinity has better CPU benchmark but GPU is better on iPad 3. Though no game at this point pushes to their limit so it won't probably matter.
3. Camera - Infinity has better camera, but do you really use tablet camera that much? It is never good as that of real digital camera.
4. Battery life - I only have iPad 2 but iPad 3 supposed give the same battery time as iPad 2. So based on this fact, I say iPad 3 should be much better battery life than the Infinity; however, infinity dock gives extra battery life. Adding the power of dock, infinity should have longer battery overall. Plus charging is much quicker on infinity than the iPad 3 (according to what I read, but it is true when compared to iPad 2).
So these hardware based features and I am sure other parts can be argued one way or the other. It all comes down to which ecosystem you like.
Personally, I chose (back) Android ecosystem. *Note: Some are hardware specific.
1. File System - I like to be able to organize files my own. I don't like iPad keeping same file copied at multiple locations for each applications.
2. Expandable Storage - I have many lecture video series with relatively large file sizes. I don't want to transfer/delete every time. Rather I like to carry around as a disk (in this case microSDs and quickly swap)
3. Applications - This may be perhaps what boils down to for everyone. For what I do, I like Android application selections.
For example,
A. Flash Card: I use Anki Flashcard application which is far the best flash card out there as it is cross platform; however, for iOS version they charge $20+; whereas, for Android it is FREE.
B. Ebook Reader: You mentioned GoodReader which is great PDF application on iOS but does not support Epub. Whereas, iBook has nice page flip realistic feeling Epub but their PDF support is terrible with no marking. So I had to use two applications to organize my ebook collections. Whereas, Android has Mantano reader.
C. Flash Support: It is true that Adobe is terminating the official support but Android currently plays it and unlikely to go away for a while. So until all the sites that I watch stream video becomes HTML5 compatible, I would rather have this feature.
4. True Multitasking - iOS's multitasking is very limited. It is highly controlled by Apple and for instance if you try to download a large file using browser, or other application, iOS terminates it quickly after you push the application into background.
5. Games - If this is what you are intending to use your table primarily, I say you should go with iPad. Selection on Android games are not as great as iPad and they lag in release.
6. Apple's Business Policy - They make great product that are not top notch spec-wise, but integrated so well and perhaps everything works in concordance and therefore bottleneck is not there; whereas, other devices have awesome and better spec but always have some bottle neck which hinders from other high spec components to hit its full capacity. But having said this, I don't like Apple's business policy with the way they keep suing, which to me seems to potentially hinder the advancement of technology. So yeah this is my personal opinion, but I am going for Android...
By the way, I do own MacBook Air, Iphone, and Ipad 2....
Now remember these points do not include jailbreak or rooting/custom firmware. Though I am sure they change the game quite bit but I am not familiar enough to make comment about these.

you say you want it to watch movies. well let me ask you, how do you plan to get the movies on the ipad? will they need to be converted? does your pc have to be on? can you connect a thumb drive/hard drive with movies on it, to your ipad, so that you dont have to turn on your pc? Can you go over to a friends house, plug your ipad into his/her pc and transfer their movies to your ipad?
for browsing, do you require sites with flash? would you mind being limited to just Safari?

If your buying a tab for movies and the TF700 is your best choice. I have iPad 1 2 and 3 in my house because my wife is a information and tech director for a school and she prefers the TF700 to all of them for vIdeo . She is waiting on a Note 10.1 to arrive to test as her district is dumping Apple since they have started using Google services last year.
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timrock said:
you say you want it to watch movies. well let me ask you, how do you plan to get the movies on the ipad? will they need to be converted? does your pc have to be on? can you connect a thumb drive/hard drive with movies on it, to your ipad, so that you dont have to turn on your pc? Can you go over to a friends house, plug your ipad into his/her pc and transfer their movies to your ipad?
for browsing, do you require sites with flash? would you mind being limited to just Safari?
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Goodplayer so far lets me play any video format. I simply just transfer it via iTunes and i'm good to go. No pre-processing needed. The investment for an HDMI dongle shouldn't be too much, and the browser Puffin works beautifully with flash. I also plan on jailbreaking if that makes a difference.
Don't get me wrong I love the infinity, If android could somehow integrate the app ecosystem of iOS that would be godly. I feel like the 16:10 ratio however is inferior to the ipads 4:3 not in watching movie but in overall tablet use.

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Goodplayer so far lets me play any video format. I simply just transfer it via iTunes and i'm good to go. No pre-processing needed. The investment for an HDMI dongle shouldn't be too much, and the browser Puffin works beautifully with flash. I also plan on jailbreaking if that makes a difference.
Don't get me wrong I love the infinity, If android could somehow integrate the app ecosystem of iOS that would be godly. I feel like the 16:10 ratio however is inferior to the ipads 4:3 not in watching movie but in overall tablet use.
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I feel like you've already made your choice, but I'll list the pros for the infinity over the ipad for me. With the keyboard dock you get a great increase in productivity (writing papers, general messaging) along with an increase in battery live. Let's not forget the benefits of the full sized USB port which lets you connect a 2 TB hard drive, a USB mouse or keyboard, or a PS3 or XBOX 360 controller for gaming. The iPad 3 can't do any of those. Let's also not forget the storage flexibility you get from a microSD and full sized SD slot. In the future we'll be able to dual boot Android, ubuntu and probably windows 8 when that comes out due to the unlocked bootloader. The iPad 3 is stuck on whatever apple allows, and they have a penchant for removing flagship features from their OS to drive new hardware sales. Finally although the jailbreaking community is nice, I feel the Android Dev community on Rootzwiki and XDA far outweigh that. You're going to be missing out on some glorious hackery and development. Anyway a lot of the tablet apps that I paid for on my ipad 2 generally have free counterparts on Android that do more due to the greater system level access. I suggest playing with one in Best Buy and deciding for yourself

Hasn't this subject been discussed at nausium elswhere. . . .
Mobile Tech review did a great head to head comparison:
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/tablets/Asus-Transformer-Pad-Infinity-TF700.htm
Quite honestly, me being a techy that likes to tweak and control things would never buy an Ipad (I do have an ipod touch though, which I got prior to getting going on Android), but I have also come to the relaization that some people don't know much about tech, don't need all the flexibility and power, and just want it to work should go the Apple route. I have stopped a long time ago trying to argue which one's better, especially since I end up doing tech support for them if I tell them to go Android. I plead the 5th if its Apple.

uwotm8 said:
Goodplayer so far lets me play any video format. I simply just transfer it via iTunes and i'm good to go. No pre-processing needed. The investment for an HDMI dongle shouldn't be too much, and the browser Puffin works beautifully with flash. I also plan on jailbreaking if that makes a difference.
Don't get me wrong I love the infinity, If android could somehow integrate the app ecosystem of iOS that would be godly. I feel like the 16:10 ratio however is inferior to the ipads 4:3 not in watching movie but in overall tablet use.
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16:10 is inferior to 4:3 Holy ****
Now I see why this thread was created
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ilostmypistons said:
16:10 is inferior to 4:3 Holy ****
Now I see why this thread was created
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16:10 is far superior in terms of movies and gaming. But for overall tablet use, it's much better. Can you find printer paper in 16:10 dimensions? It just makes its weird. Too wide and too short. 16:10 is very good for movies since it's closer to cinema aspect ratios of 2.35:1

ilostmypistons said:
16:10 is inferior to 4:3 Holy ****
Now I see why this thread was created
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I actually see some merit to the 4:3 argument for ebook reading, but not movie viewing or web pages so again it depends on your main use The comparison video above does discuss this at length too.
Never thought of it much but because of the aspect ratio differences I am not sure the Ipad 3 retna display is actully any higher vertical resolution(when in landscape) than the TF700 since it is a different screen aspect. Looking at the 2 side by side in the comparison, the Ipad 3 aspect looks odd to me, maybe because everything else is going widescreen.

uwotm8 said:
16:10 is far superior in terms of movies and gaming. But for overall tablet use, it's much better. Can you find printer paper in 16:10 dimensions? It just makes its weird. Too wide and too short. 16:10 is very good for movies since it's closer to cinema aspect ratios of 2.35:1
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LOL Go away
I'm gonna go set my 60" HDTV to 4:3 WTF
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>inb4 apple shills
Nevermind, too late. OS war thread? OS war thread.
Also, considering OP has already gotten an ipad, I'd say that its not a good deal to sell it. You've already wasted money, don't want to waste any more.
16:10 is god tier for everything, trust me, I've tried 4:3 and it's not good for anything. Its like I'm back in 1997.

I had the ipad 3 for 2 months. After the first week i was sick of it. I hate ios and its limited features. I jailbreaked it so i could change the damn theme, and i installed maybe 5 tweaks and the ipad became slow as ****. My first and last ipad or any apple products. Seriously for those who say ipad has a better build quality, i just have to laugh at you. After one week the bottom part burned because i was playing games for 30 minutes. I think it was because of smart cover since the ipad 3 becomes so hot when you play (little better after update came out, but too late). But both ipad 3 and smart cover are made by apple and lol they couldnt even make that right. Anyways, if you like ios and its limited features, then buy ipad. If you want awesomeness, buy Infinity.

uwotm8 said:
16:10 ratio is inferior to 4:3
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I just reread the thread and noticed your comment. Aha. Ahaha. AHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHQHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHOHGODMYSIDESAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA *INHALE INHALE* HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH *Drops dead from lack of air and multiple aneurysms *
You just killed a man. Happy now?
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Android tablets vs ipad questions

Hi, i am currently looking for a tablet, i am hoping in the long run it may replace my laptop but i am not going to sell that yet incase, but for day to day use i would like to use a tablet more.
i understand that on here we maybe a little more biased to apple, i usually am myself lol
i have always used android on my phones, i currently have a Samsung galaxy s2 using a custom rom, resurrection remix. So i do like android a lot and very comfortable using it.
on the other hand my girlfriend had an ipad 3 already and i do kind of like it a lot and use it a lot when im at hers, i never find any fault with it, it runs extremely smooth giving its lower specs to current new android tablets out. on my phone i must admit i will get the odd app saying it has to close or it couldn’t start and vie had to restart my phone etc.. i have not once seen my girlfriends ipad crash.
This now leaves me unsure about what to get and would like some opinions, my hearts telling me you have to stick with android because its what you know and love.. and your supposed to hate apple!
But my brain is telling me deep down, you know the ipad is going to be better long term with less problems and a much bigger market.
giving that android are having so many issues now with patents, they have lost the right to carry on using flash etc which used to be a big bonus for android users. how many other issues are going to crop up where every time you update your android tablet you will lose some of its function because android have been ordered to take it out because of a patent ruling.
this all kind of worries me a little in terms of the future, will devs start favouring apple before anyone else when it comes to making apps, will at some point they say we aren’t making them at all for android because of all these issues (of course they already make more for apple than they do android now) im just wondering if it will get worse? i know android was certainly catching up but i think that may start to reverse a little soon.
Most of the above comes from what i have either heard people say or what i have read, i dont know 100% of everything above is correct or not. so some advise would be good.
How good / bad is the android market and is the apple store that much better.
will all my current bought apps, and the majority of free ones probably work fine on an android tablet, or would some look stupid stretched, or do they have to be designed especially for tablet use?
I was wanting to be able to transfer files from usenet on my tablet to a media player, I’m guessing from what i have read that will be impossible with an ipad and do-able on an android tablet but still probably nowhere near as easy as from a laptop, this is one main reason i am not going to get rid of my laptop to soon incase it proves a nuisance. If i got an ipad i assume i would have to keep my laptop for this purpose?
is there any reason why the specs of say the ipad are fairly standard compared to some of the newer android tabs and i still hear a lot about the android tabs being sluggish sometimes and the menus not being smooth, if apple can do a dual core 1ghz pad with 1gb of ram and it be soo smooth, how come android tabs which are also 1 and sometimes 2gb have multi core cpu's at 1.2 - 1.6 ghz yet they perform much more sluggish to the ipad?
is it because android is being added into a whole host of different makers to fit their specs, where as the ipad is being made only for apples own operating systems therefore its always going to be smoother as its all been made for the one system rather than for multiple systems?
i am assuming if android also made their own hardware the two would go together much more smoothly, or am i wrong?
From reading the above back it feels like in am heading more towards the ipad, but i would like reasons why i should maybe not choose the ipad.
the tablets i have been looking at are:
Huawei MediaPad 10 (which i have literally only just come across but looks good specs)
Asus transformer pad infinity 32gb (i don’t know how much this is going to cost without the dock, i think i would only need the dock if i was to get rid of my laptop)
Samsung galaxy note 10.1
Ipad 3
Up to now that’s my shortlist, i would be looking at the 32gb versions unless the 64 wasn't a bad price, i am looking to spend about £400 - £500 max, i have seen new ipad 3's 64gb on ebay for £480, not sure how much the others will be, i would need to hold out for the 32gb or 64gb versions of the galaxy note 10.1 if i was to get that, not sure why they have only released a 16gb version and no others.
Thanks for any feedback you give
James

james_lpool said:
Hi, i am currently looking for a tablet, i am hoping in the long run it may replace my laptop but i am not going to sell that yet incase, but for day to day use i would like to use a tablet more.
i understand that on here we maybe a little more biased to apple, i usually am myself lol
i have always used android on my phones, i currently have a Samsung galaxy s2 using a custom rom, resurrection remix. So i do like android a lot and very comfortable using it.
on the other hand my girlfriend had an ipad 3 already and i do kind of like it a lot and use it a lot when im at hers, i never find any fault with it, it runs extremely smooth giving its lower specs to current new android tablets out. on my phone i must admit i will get the odd app saying it has to close or it couldn’t start and vie had to restart my phone etc.. i have not once seen my girlfriends ipad crash.
This now leaves me unsure about what to get and would like some opinions, my hearts telling me you have to stick with android because its what you know and love.. and your supposed to hate apple!
But my brain is telling me deep down, you know the ipad is going to be better long term with less problems and a much bigger market.
giving that android are having so many issues now with patents, they have lost the right to carry on using flash etc which used to be a big bonus for android users. how many other issues are going to crop up where every time you update your android tablet you will lose some of its function because android have been ordered to take it out because of a patent ruling.
this all kind of worries me a little in terms of the future, will devs start favouring apple before anyone else when it comes to making apps, will at some point they say we aren’t making them at all for android because of all these issues (of course they already make more for apple than they do android now) im just wondering if it will get worse? i know android was certainly catching up but i think that may start to reverse a little soon.
Most of the above comes from what i have either heard people say or what i have read, i dont know 100% of everything above is correct or not. so some advise would be good.
How good / bad is the android market and is the apple store that much better.
will all my current bought apps, and the majority of free ones probably work fine on an android tablet, or would some look stupid stretched, or do they have to be designed especially for tablet use?
I was wanting to be able to transfer files from usenet on my tablet to a media player, I’m guessing from what i have read that will be impossible with an ipad and do-able on an android tablet but still probably nowhere near as easy as from a laptop, this is one main reason i am not going to get rid of my laptop to soon incase it proves a nuisance. If i got an ipad i assume i would have to keep my laptop for this purpose?
is there any reason why the specs of say the ipad are fairly standard compared to some of the newer android tabs and i still hear a lot about the android tabs being sluggish sometimes and the menus not being smooth, if apple can do a dual core 1ghz pad with 1gb of ram and it be soo smooth, how come android tabs which are also 1 and sometimes 2gb have multi core cpu's at 1.2 - 1.6 ghz yet they perform much more sluggish to the ipad?
is it because android is being added into a whole host of different makers to fit their specs, where as the ipad is being made only for apples own operating systems therefore its always going to be smoother as its all been made for the one system rather than for multiple systems?
i am assuming if android also made their own hardware the two would go together much more smoothly, or am i wrong?
From reading the above back it feels like in am heading more towards the ipad, but i would like reasons why i should maybe not choose the ipad.
the tablets i have been looking at are:
Huawei MediaPad 10 (which i have literally only just come across but looks good specs)
Asus transformer pad infinity 32gb (i don’t know how much this is going to cost without the dock, i think i would only need the dock if i was to get rid of my laptop)
Samsung galaxy note 10.1
Ipad 3
Up to now that’s my shortlist, i would be looking at the 32gb versions unless the 64 wasn't a bad price, i am looking to spend about £400 - £500 max, i have seen new ipad 3's 64gb on ebay for £480, not sure how much the others will be, i would need to hold out for the 32gb or 64gb versions of the galaxy note 10.1 if i was to get that, not sure why they have only released a 16gb version and no others.
Thanks for any feedback you give
James
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If you prefer the ipad then go for that, it's fine asking what people think but they don't have to live with the tablet you get, you do and it sounds like you've made a choice and are hoping people can change your mind.
Regarding not seeing ipad crash, well no one does because when it does crash it won't actually tell you and on startup of an app it shows a picture not the app itself.
This makes it seem to start quicker as user thinks they are seeing the app starts and if app crashes and restarts the user won't usually realise.
Android didn't lose the right to have flash, adobe chose to pull it....but it is still available for uk android users from play store.
You can stream media from an android tablet to other devices using free apps like mediahouse upnp dlna. You can try some apps on your phone to see if they do what you need.
Android appears more sluggish than ios because ios prioritises user input whereas android multitasks fully and so doesn't single out one aspect for more attention although jellybean does try to improve ui interaction to be much smoother.
The ipad will be easy to use and do what you want, you will lose the customisation and lack of restrictions offered by android so you might get bored a bit but it will do the job just fine.
Apps wise both markets are fine but apples is safer if you're worried about malware, both have a large amount of apps to choose from but a lot of devs do release to ios first because it is easier to code for (ie not hundreds of different spec devices to get an app working on, just a few) and has a high number of users who pay well for apps.
As for apps on android tablets, some do have special tablet only versions but most adapt to your tablets resolution so most should look fine especially as more and more phones are released with higher tablet like resolutions and as these resolutions are becoming much more common developers make their apps display better on them.
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Whichever you decide... You have to keep in mind what you are going to use the tablet for to begin with... There are alot of things that tablets cannot do well which in turn we use our personal computers for... These tablets are new technology, and will be growing at an exponential rate... As of now the tablets are performing more and more than once originally released... I myself will not be giving up or replacing my computer for a tablet because I do lots of photo editing, video editing and most importantly my music software... So as for a tablet, I would only be using it to browse the web and social networking alongside the other various basic needs for internet use... As of now I currently own a Galaxy Nexus from Sprint, and it suffices for the daily rounds of networking and web search... But in the future with the new implementation of Microsoft Windows 8 and tablets, it seems that I might be replacing my PC... But in my opinion... Wait for the better tablets... Apple builds it's hardware to do what it does... There is little room to upgrade anything efficiently... Android is working on making their devices more breathable like a personal computer...
And in my opinion, Microsoft is the leading factor here as far as developing the better tablet... I am not a big Microsoft guy as opposed to Linux... But the money, resources, and experience tend to lean at Microsoft... In my opinion... Get the low cost Nexus 7 tablet for now... Keep the laptop... And save up for the swagger that Microsoft might develop here in the near future... or wait for Android to steal the spotlight and WOW us with the new tablet that might one day surpass the PC...
As far as Apple and their products... I am against them simply because of the crybaby courtroom antics... I will probably never buy another Apple product again because of their David Caruso like opportunistic grievances over their patents... They simply lost money because they're not on the ball as quick as Samsung... They lost out on sales due to the minimal changes in the iPhone hardware and design... It was a great run for the awesome product when it FIRST came out on the market... I think that their devices are well put together... but on the same note... the patents are ridiculous... and pretty soon someone will see the lawsuit rulings and get the bright idea of making car companies start having to pay royalties to whomever developed the first vehicle, and we'll all be driving on 3 tires instead of four...

Okay, first off, the myth about ipads never crashing is not true. iOS has a weird way of force closing crashed apps in the background, so you would never know that it happened. The reason why iOS seems very fast is that the OS itself is optimized to run on less resources and iOS has zero fragmentation. The main problem with android is the lack of unity in hardware and software. Apple has full control of iOS and hardware, so it is very efficient in that sense.
Moving on to the issue of replacing a computer with a tablet. My own view is that the easy things that you do on a laptop is a bit harder on a tablet as its OS tends to be much simpler and that means it can include a limited number of features. My suggestion is to wait for the new Microsoft Surface RT and Pro. http://www.pcworld.com/article/2601...s_surface_pro_which_tablet_will_you_want.html
The Pro version has a fully-powered intel ivy bridge cpu with a fully featured windows 8 in a tablet form. If the form factor has you staying away from laptops, then this is the thing for you. Keep in mind that the surface pro is essentially a laptop in tablet form and I think that's pretty cool.
If you really insist on just a android tablet, then it's either the asus transformer infinity or the galaxy note 10.1. I personally have used asus transformer pads and they are AMAZING. They are designed beautifully and definitely high-end. I haven't used the galaxy note 10.1, but the exynos quad does give it a significant boost over the asus tablet.
Reasons for not choosing ipad:
1. The ipad 3 is nothing that new. It still packs the outdated A5 cpu, but the gpu is something noteworthy. Retinal display is alright, b/c to tell you the truth, I can't tell the difference.
2. You cannot customize the ipad to your liking, that means no custom ROMs, kernels or skins, just plain-old iOS
3. The truth is between ipad and android tablets, it comes down to control and whether you like rooting and flashing ROMs. If you're tech-savvy and like to tinker with stuff, then go with android. If not, then it's down to personal preference, ipad or android, choose what you like.
4. Don't support Apple and it's anti-competition ways (more of a joke reason)
Good luck on choosing a tablet

If you want apps go for the iPad simple as. It has a greater catalogue of apps designed for the tablet which is lacking on Android. I've had an android tablet before but now own the new iPad. The apps are far better, and better optimised to make use of the hardware. The OS is smooth and optimised.
I use an android phone and an ipad to give me best of both worlds. I got bored with my Samsung Galaxy 10.1 tablet as it just felt like a bigger version of of phone.
Also Apple hardware tends to hold value better than most other products. So that's another thing to consider if reselling in the future.
Both are good don't get me wrong but choose one based on what you need and want it to do.
I use my iPad for streaming my music via home sharing, browsing the net, social networking, I watch my tv on it whilst in my bed by streaming off my satellite box, reading books, editing images now and then for quick fixes, and more.
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Hi, i am currently looking for a tablet, i am hoping in the long run it may replace my laptop
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The tablets currently out will not replace your laptop. Both android and especially iOS are pretty much toy OS's that, for example, only let you work with one app at a time (though there are some limited efforts on the android side to overcome it). The closest you might come to replacing your laptop is the Surface Pro, coming Jan 2013ish, or the mysterious Ubuntu tablets that haven't materialized so far. Even those probably won't be powerful enough; it'll take a few years for the technology to catch up.
That is why I bought my tablet (the nexus 7) in a completely different niche than my laptop. It's meant to be an easy-to-carry, convenient device for mostly consumption.
Of the ipad alternatives you listed, I reckon that the galaxy note 10.1 is the most interesting. Who knows, maybe the stylus actually would be as useful as they portray in those business commercials.

Personally, i would stick with android. you have so much flexibility with it. and if you do want to get the framework of the ipad on your tablet, you could always flash miui also, you can download apps without using installous. you can view your storage files and folders with the android, but you can't do so so easily with the ipad.

As someone forced by work to use an ipad3 I have to say it is crap.
My sensation browses the web faster, android apps are cheaper or totally free, the iPad is buggy as hell.
Apps crash on it a lot, despite being on the same network as my phone, even with a stronger signal the 3G speed is much slower.
XDA takes longer to load fully, even in chrome on the iPad, and if you try to type a reply before it has fully loaded expect to find yourself unable to type at all do you have to reload the page.
Scrolling any pages with images is laggy as hell, really jerky if you flick the page up or down.
Predictive text is a joke, you type a word and one letter from completion it makes a suggestion, and god help you if you don't want the word it suggests!
I'm fricken fed up having to change keyboard mode for punctuation or numbers too!
Oh nearly forgot, a couple of weekends ago it started needing hard reboots if I wanted to spend more than 10 minutes online with 3G.

My razors all I need I just "dock" it and I've got a working linix computer. But I too am waiting but I want to see the windows 8 also first. I own apple stock but I'd never buy an Apple phone. I have thousands of songs hundreds of cartoons dozens of movies and all for free . and I'm also 99 percent add free
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Android tablets are closer to replacing laptops than Apple tablets. iOS is just too restrictive to be productive on. You can't even download files off the internet on the iPad.
That being said, the Surface Pro will actually be a laptop replacement, as you can run all your favorite laptop software on it, and it runs a full fledged OS.

xaccers said:
As someone forced by work to use an ipad3 I have to say it is crap.
My sensation browses the web faster, android apps are cheaper or totally free, the iPad is buggy as hell.
Apps crash on it a lot, despite being on the same network as my phone, even with a stronger signal the 3G speed is much slower.
XDA takes longer to load fully, even in chrome on the iPad, and if you try to type a reply before it has fully loaded expect to find yourself unable to type at all do you have to reload the page.
Scrolling any pages with images is laggy as hell, really jerky if you flick the page up or down.
Predictive text is a joke, you type a word and one letter from completion it makes a suggestion, and god help you if you don't want the word it suggests!
I'm fricken fed up having to change keyboard mode for punctuation or numbers too!
Oh nearly forgot, a couple of weekends ago it started needing hard reboots if I wanted to spend more than 10 minutes online with 3G.
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Serius,crash???my gilfriend have the nexus and the galaxy 2,and my ipad 3 is 300% better,than nexus,100% more stable,more beautiful,and responsive etc!!!!ipad =the best ecosystem in the world(in tablet)
Pd:just walk to bestbuy and touch the nexus and touch the ipad the diference is too long!!!

Best tablet for a laptop replacement?

I am willing to sell my laptop because I am addicted to computer games (dota 2, total war series etc), especially that I'm at university and I need to keep focus on studies.
So I need a tablet for the occasional browsing, office editing/reading and especially for watching movies and TV shows (this is the most important aspect). I will get enough money from my laptop to buy the best thing out there, so budget isn't a problem.
I am an Android user since I used the HTC Desire back in the days, then moved on to nexus S and fell in love with Nexus devices. So the Nexus 10 was my top interest so far, but I heard some of the devices have light bleeding (and I'm very sensible to display quality) and the resolution is actually too big, so the GPU is not powerful enough for it. There are some rumors a new nexus 10 will be unveiled by google with a quad core CPU and a better GPU, but I need a tablet now, not in 4 months or even later, especially that my country doesn't sell nexus devices on google play. Online stores in Romania just got the nexus 10 at the start of this month, so there's no way I'm gonna wait for the new one.
Then I had a look at the iPad 4: I absolutely loved the build quality and how it generally felt, everything was extremely smooth and it looked great, but the 4:3 aspect ratio is a total bummer, considering that I will watch a lot of movies. I tried to find a video to see how movies run on the ipad but had no luck.
Other tablets didn't seem to get me excited too much, was looking at the asus transformer t700 but it has outdated hardware and I heard its slower then the nexus 10.
So the question is, iPad 4 or Nexus 10?
I don't want answers from fan boys, please be realistic.

Also, I don't want to hear anything about converting movies and things like these, I just want to throw the movie on the tablet and see it, be it mkv or avi, blu-ray size etc.

Nexus 10 is way much better and could do all the things you listed above, unless your prefer iOS

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Nexus 10 is way much better and could do all the things you listed above, unless your prefer iOS
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I never owned an iOS device, I'm just wondering which one is better.

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I would suggest the Asus Transformer prime with the keyboard dock especially since you're a student and you could use it like you would a laptop in class.

In terms of specs and power, the ipad is pretty great and has the biggest library of apps.
The nexus 10 isn't as absolutely all mighty but it's pretty close, and it's got android, so it'll be much more capable of replacing a laptop computer than the ipad ever will be.
I personally despise Apple, I have had extremely bad experiences with them. I'm currently on an iMac, so it's not a matter of bandwagoning and fanboyism and stuff. I truly believe Android is better and more capable than iOS. The nexus 10 is probably the best android tablet on the market, though the Samsung Galaxy Note could be good for you as you want to use it for productivity and the s-pen is supposed to be amazing. No experience with it though, but I have a nexus10 and I got rid of my laptop afterwards, don't need it anymore.
I use the n10 as a laptop too, I take notes in class and everything, if you add a bluetooth keyboard, you'll get a lot of functionality out of it.

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I would suggest the Asus Transformer prime with the keyboard dock especially since you're a student and you could use it like you would a laptop in class.
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^^^ This
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Nexus 10 is beefy specs, very beautiful.
I'm using a nexus 7 right now, with logitech android keyboard and wacom tablet pen.
If you plan on writing notes on tablet instead of paper; I found it difficult in classes where proff writes so fast its hard to keep up.
I'm sure depends on tablet pen you get. But for writing apps for android, there's not too many good ones like there is on apple app store atm.
I tried alot of writing apps; best one that was suited for me was papryus for android. I still couldn't keep up writing notes on it.
Typing notes on it is amazing. Much better then lugging around a laptop.
If you plan on going with writing notes, I suggest something with a digitizer.
If writing notes on tablet isn't an issue your on your mind.
Then i would go with nexus 10 w/ bluetooth keyboard.

lvnatic said:
I am willing to sell my laptop because I am addicted to computer games (dota 2, total war series etc), especially that I'm at university and I need to keep focus on studies.
So I need a tablet for the occasional browsing, office editing/reading and especially for watching movies and TV shows (this is the most important aspect). I will get enough money from my laptop to buy the best thing out there, so budget isn't a problem.
I am an Android user since I used the HTC Desire back in the days, then moved on to nexus S and fell in love with Nexus devices. So the Nexus 10 was my top interest so far, but I heard some of the devices have light bleeding (and I'm very sensible to display quality) and the resolution is actually too big, so the GPU is not powerful enough for it. There are some rumors a new nexus 10 will be unveiled by google with a quad core CPU and a better GPU, but I need a tablet now, not in 4 months or even later, especially that my country doesn't sell nexus devices on google play. Online stores in Romania just got the nexus 10 at the start of this month, so there's no way I'm gonna wait for the new one.
Then I had a look at the iPad 4: I absolutely loved the build quality and how it generally felt, everything was extremely smooth and it looked great, but the 4:3 aspect ratio is a total bummer, considering that I will watch a lot of movies. I tried to find a video to see how movies run on the ipad but had no luck.
Other tablets didn't seem to get me excited too much, was looking at the asus transformer t700 but it has outdated hardware and I heard its slower then the nexus 10.
So the question is, iPad 4 or Nexus 10?
I don't want answers from fan boys, please be realistic.
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Asus Transformer Prime / Infinity: I've played with the Nexus 10 and as far as options go it trumps the Nexus 10. The 10 is a great device, but as far as using USB, adding options, batteries expansion (DOCK), SD, etc the Transformer wins. The outdated hardware/slower than nexus is partly true. The real truth is that the noticeable speed is only on tests. Running apps side by side the speed difference is down to a second or two. The TFT700 is a quad core and the Nexus 10 is a dual core. If you don't put the TFT700 into econo mode then the speed is pretty much even or going to the TFT700 at times.
Now the biggest thing I liked with Nexus over the TFT700 is the micro usb charger and plugin. That and the screen. But outside of that, the TFT700 offers something that no other tablet offers, expansion and expansion. Want another battery? Plug into the dock and you get a keyboard and a battery. Want to add an SD/MicroSD for more space? Just slide the car in. Need to use a USB thumb drive to share something with somebody that has a computer or laptop but don't have a wireless signal? Just put it into the dock. Comparing the batteries in just the devices alone, the 700 to outlast the Nexus 10 in a side by side comparison.
The Nexus does offer the best picture and the newest software updates, but the ASUS team and XDA does a pretty good job of keeping the two running in a neck and neck race.

Transformer series tablets are great. I bought a tf300t after much research and an extremely happy with it. As stated before, the dock ads full functionality for taking notes in class. Supernote came pre-installed on mine which allows you to add drawings to your notes which is essential if you will be taking any chemistry classes.
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I am attending a medical university and I need a notebook for notes, professors also verify our notes at the end of semester so writing on an electrical device isn't possible for me. I will be using the tablet to watch movies and occasionally create some office files on it (though I can still go at the university's library where we have computers for that).
Does anyone have any experience with a jailbroken iPad? How dependent is it to a PC? I heard you need one when you jailbreak it (same goes for rooting on android), but what then? Can I just download cydia apps on it and install without problems?

The Nexus 7 will fit into your back pocket. ...
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lvnatic said:
I am attending a medical university and I need a notebook for notes, professors also verify our notes at the end of semester so writing on an electrical device isn't possible for me. I will be using the tablet to watch movies and occasionally create some office files on it (though I can still go at the university's library where we have computers for that).
Does anyone have any experience with a jailbroken iPad? How dependent is it to a PC? I heard you need one when you jailbreak it (same goes for rooting on android), but what then? Can I just download cydia apps on it and install without problems?
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Well it seems you really want an iPad. I will say this, your notes can be verified on either Nexus ( 7 or 10) and the Transformer. In fact the supernote feature of the Asus is very similar to evernote (although I would still use Evernote or Onenote). You can even use Google to transcribe directly to the supernote feature. If you are looking to take notes in class for Medical, try looking at LiveScribe Skypens.
Ok back to your question, not to bash the iPad, my mother and sister love theirs, but it is too restrictive for my tastes. This includes jailbroken. If you are planning on doing any kind of syncing that does not involve your cloud features you will have to sync via a PC. Apps / updates /purchase can all be done with a wireless feature (although it is much slower). Taking notes you can use Evernote / Onenote, but the handwriting / bluetooth keyboards are not even on the same playing field as the Nexus / ASUS. I can verify that as a CS/Cyber major these notes can be verified and the audio playback / video playback you will have to get permission from your teach if you are allowed to record in class first. Also in terms of watching movies you will be limited to what ever you purchase or convert to the iPad's movie player unless you sync / convert / play with it on your PC first.
PC / Mac Rules for Tablets:
You do need one for an iPad and most Android devices. I say most because there are some devices you can root/break via webpages (Apple has since closed the security hole... so you would need an older OS).
Downloading from Cydia is just like downloading from any market place, with the exception of that you do not know if it has been scanned for malware/virus/permissions. Unlike Google/Amazon you will not be told of the permissions or what exactly it will be using on your system. Also keep in mind that some apps will just not work due to the age of your device / os if you are going from Cydia.

Just to be more specific: when I meant notebook, I meant an actual notebook
You know, the one with real papers on which you use a pen to write
So I am not writing absolutely anything on a tablet/laptop. I will only use the tablet in university when I'm on some boring classes, to surf on some blogs or play some games.
Edit: I'm not really that convinced to buy the iPad, I would just be curious to own one for a while, to see how it performs in the long run. So I will probably buy it and if I don't get the hang of it in 30 days then im gonna return it and go for the nexus, where everything will be so simple for me.
I never actually held the nexus 10 in my hands so far, didn't get the chance to see it in any store, just online. Does it have at least equal quality as the ipad? I know its some kind of rubber plastic like the nexus 7, which felt good (tried that one).

If you want a good laptop replacement tablet: Go buy a PC Tablet (with the rotating displays, keyboard based).
Expensive, but fits the bill. Im pretty sure Hewett Packard (HP) and Dell have some tablets like that. Look up touchsmart on Google.

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lvnatic said:
I am attending a medical university and I need a notebook for notes, professors also verify our notes at the end of semester so writing on an electrical device isn't possible for me. I will be using the tablet to watch movies and occasionally create some office files on it (though I can still go at the university's library where we have computers for that).
Does anyone have any experience with a jailbroken iPad? How dependent is it to a PC? I heard you need one when you jailbreak it (same goes for rooting on android), but what then? Can I just download cydia apps on it and install without problems?
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You can peint from a tablet using wifi
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lvnatic said:
Just to be more specific: when I meant notebook, I meant an actual notebook
You know, the one with real papers on which you use a pen to write
So I am not writing absolutely anything on a tablet/laptop. I will only use the tablet in university when I'm on some boring classes, to surf on some blogs or play some games.
Edit: I'm not really that convinced to buy the iPad, I would just be curious to own one for a while, to see how it performs in the long run. So I will probably buy it and if I don't get the hang of it in 30 days then im gonna return it and go for the nexus, where everything will be so simple for me.
I never actually held the nexus 10 in my hands so far, didn't get the chance to see it in any store, just online. Does it have at least equal quality as the ipad? I know its some kind of rubber plastic like the nexus 7, which felt good (tried that one).
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If you are under the age of 14, or, over the age of 45 than an iPad is a better choice.
If you want flexibility than get an android tablet.
If you want buisness stuff then get a non RT tablet (Windows 7, 8) (RT is no good for business stuff).
I find the tablets with folding displays to have the most bang for their buck. That is just my opinion though.
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If you are under the age of 14, or, over the age of 45 than an iPad is a better choice.
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My mom, my dad, and my step mom all have Android phones or tablets. They are all over 45. My mom is the kind of person who asks me to find where a program saved a file, my dad got his phone after having only had a flop phone. None of them are struggling.
As of ICS simplicity and noob friendliness isn't really an issue.
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Hi,
I have an Asus Transformer TF300TG and it is absolutely great. We are using it at home for fast access to internet (emails, cooking receipts, small gaming). It has 3G capability, so you just plug a data sim of your favourite GSM carrier and you are OK to travel and use it on the way.
The battery lasts literally for hours, there is one battery in the tablet part and other in the keyboard part - when tablet is drained and you connect it to the keyboard unit, it recharges from it.
There are a office pack preinstalled (Supernote) and for making notes and easy spreadsheets, it works quite OK.
Hope it helps.