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If anyone know how to unlock them (well I don't really know how otherwise I wouldn't post this LOL), please send me a PM. Thanks.
Large QTY available and of course will pay.
Option 1 - you have access to Verizon's secret database to get the correct code
Option 2 - you have your own program that can break the lock permanently.
TurboSim is not an option for me.
Sending the phones out to someone to unlock is not an option either.
Buying codes from ebay, from Swiftunlocks, etc... Dude, don't you think I have tried them all already?
ipgpdp said:
If anyone know how to unlock them (well I don't really know how otherwise I wouldn't post this LOL), please send me a PM. Thanks.
Large QTY available and of course will pay.
Option 1 - you have access to Verizon's secret database to get the correct code
Option 2 - you have your own program that can break the lock permanently.
TurboSim is not an option for me.
Sending the phones out to someone to unlock is not an option either.
Buying codes from ebay, from Swiftunlocks, etc... Dude, don't you think I have tried them all already?
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sorry, u are not d only one with d problem
it was FALSELY advertised as global phone, so we tot it can be used any where in the word...
It is a global phone. But a Verizon global phone...
To the OP, I would check in GSM unlocking forums, where people lurking there have some serious experience in phone unlocking..
There might be a hardware solution available.
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I know this has been probably long been debated but... we bought a MOTOROLA phone with Verizon as our service provider. Why should they choose to lock the phone up if we want to use it abroad? Why should they dictate how we can receive service on OUR MOTOROLA devices? Personally I think if we want to unlock these without an active contract with Verizon that should be our choice, or at the very least Motos.
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I know this is an old thread but I thought my input might help others.
I got 2 D2Gs in Jan 2011 and I called Verizon and got both of them unlocked without any issues. I already travelled to 3 different countries and have used 3 different GSM providers. The codes worked perfectly fine.
3G, 2G, H, etc... You name it! They all worked fine.
How about POSTING them in the thread?
Neurotica said:
I know this is an old thread but I thought my input might help others.
I got 2 D2Gs in Jan 2011 and I called Verizon and got both of them unlocked without any issues. I already travelled to 3 different countries and have used 3 different GSM providers. The codes worked perfectly fine.
3G, 2G, H, etc... You name it! They all worked fine.
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You get one code and it will on your phone and no one elses. Also I've heard if you fail to enter a correct code 10 times the phone is locked forever from being global on another gsm provider. You will be locked to verzion period if you leave the country.
This is all i've heard.
not anymore
boomertwo said:
You get one code and it will on your phone and no one elses. Also I've heard if you fail to enter a correct code 10 times the phone is locked forever from being global on another gsm provider. You will be locked to verzion period if you leave the country.
This is all i've heard.
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not locked forever..
left it on for hours, then u can try unlocking again
Robertjm said:
How about POSTING them in the thread?
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My codes are obviously not going to work with your phone, unless what you wanted was for me to post pictures of my D2G working on all those bands. If ever someone wants to go figure how the code matches my IMEI/ESN and what not, I would be happy to PM them all the info.
Neurotica said:
I know this is an old thread but I thought my input might help others.
I got 2 D2Gs in Jan 2011 and I called Verizon and got both of them unlocked without any issues. I already travelled to 3 different countries and have used 3 different GSM providers. The codes worked perfectly fine.
3G, 2G, H, etc... You name it! They all worked fine.
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That's good to know. I was shocked the other week to find out that Verizon has basically removed their global plans from their offerings (they exist for some areas, but $100 for 70MB is a joke). Thus, for an upcoming month-long trip I'll drop $40 on a local GSM data SIM and end up better off. I'm already unlocked so again, thanks for the confirmation.
Any travel to Europe and Asia is going to cost you a fortune for roaming. I used to use Verizon's global data all the time, but lately, I had to get the Droid 2 Global just to keep Verizon phone, my love for Android and not break bank by using local sim cards for data and calls.
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ipgpdp said:
If anyone know how to unlock them (well I don't really know how otherwise I wouldn't post this LOL), please send me a PM. Thanks.
Large QTY available and of course will pay.
Option 1 - you have access to Verizon's secret database to get the correct code
Option 2 - you have your own program that can break the lock permanently.
TurboSim is not an option for me.
Sending the phones out to someone to unlock is not an option either.
Buying codes from ebay, from Swiftunlocks, etc... Dude, don't you think I have tried them all already?
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I have a motorola drois 2 Global.
Can you help mt to unlock it?
So I may have gotten lucky but this is my input on my droid 2 global sim unlocking.
When I received the phone pretty much the first thing I did was root it to install Fission de-blurred rom. Ok? Good.
You would have to go to defuze's website to get all the details on installing their Roms (its not hard). But after installing the rom along with the droid 2 global fix it simply... worked. Kid you not.
I called a Verizon rep I had worked with before to unlock it and we were confused as to why when putting in a different sim card it did not ask for a unlock code. Even stranger under security sim settings the only option available was to re-lock.
Hell I gave it a shot in popped in a t-mobile sim I had from my touch pro 2 unlocked and called from my droid 2 global and what do you know, worked flawlessly.
My best guess is the droid 2 global fix that automatically installs when installing the rom.
I have not had the opportunity to test abroad yet though I don't have plans to travel until maybe this summer money permitted.
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This doesn't actually worked I checked again and the number which makes the call is my verizon number not the tmobile number of the sim card inside. So now to figure out how to unlock my droid 2 global.
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well i have the Fission ROM running on my D2G and it still asks for a network unlock code whenever i put my simcard in.
Not a lot of ROMs for the D2G. Unless you use ports of D2. Seems like codes work for some and don't work for others. I am pretty sure it has nothing to do with what ROM you're using.
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Yeah I agree fully it seems weird but like I said it just worked. I may have gotten lucky with a already unlocked phone which was the Verizon rep's input on it. I was putting it out there in case someone had not tried this yet.
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Not a lot of ROMs for the D2G. Unless you use ports of D2. Seems like codes work for some and don't work for others. I am pretty sure it has nothing to do with what ROM you're using.
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I have ordered D2G this week and its locked for Verizone too. But I have heard about the page in Poland, where they will send you a message in two days with a number to unlock your Motorola for 23Euro. People who had tried that, wrote that it works, so I will try it too. This is the page:sim-unlock.net. Maybe you will success too.
MTysonFG said:
I have ordered D2G this week and its locked for Verizone too. But I have heard about the page in Poland, where they will send you a message in two days with a number to unlock your Motorola for 23Euro. People who had tried that, wrote that it works, so I will try it too. This is the page:sim-unlock.net. Maybe you will success too.
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any luck with that?
I will try it tomorrow. No money on my account, so I can not pay for the code. I will write here about the experience with unlock code
I know that I am not the only one looking at this phone as a way to get a great Dual Core, 4G, vanilla Android phone (unmolested by AT&T) but able to be used on the AT&T network. I have had great luck and a lot of fun with the AT&T Nexus One and I think this phone will be just a successful with the help of XDA DEV's
I wanted to start a thread here in the G2X section for people to share with other users how to's and what works with regards to using this phone on the AT&T network.
It may be to soon to get all the answers, but maybe someone is working the same answers.
Questions:
How easy will it be to obtain the SIM Unlock code from T-Mobile or LG?
I am going to buy the phone at retail, just may have to use T-Mobile for 60-90 days to get the Unlock code.
Will AT&T allow us to upgrade to 4G data plan without buying their 4G phone?
I know from researching the Atrix 4G that the AT&T data plan needed to be upgraded to a 4G plan but you could keep unlimited data.
If I remember Tmobile's unlock policy correctly you wont have to wait. You can request the unlock code right away if you pay full retail price. Unless that's changed recently of course but I dont think it has. Good luck with it.
Kind of a repeat of what is in this thread started by me (which you tried to hijack)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1036129
Re-posting what I have found here:
I just got off of the phone with t-mobile customer care (1-877-453-1304). I called them because I wanted clarification on this before I purchased 2 full retail price phones.
The program is called the "Sim Subsidy Unlock Program." It is for anyone that purchases a phone for the full retail price from a corporate store or an authorized retailer and pays all of the price upfront.
You need to call customer care, explain that you purchased a phone for full price and request a "remedy request form number." They will then open this request and you then have 7 days to fax the following to the Sim Unlock Team at 1-813-353-6557 :
ATTENTION: SIM UNLOCK TEAM
Full Name
Mobile Number
Email Address
Readable Copy Of Sales Receipt
It takes 24 to 72 hours to process and they will email you instructions to unlock your phone.
As for at&t's 4g, there currently using hspa+ also, so if it supports their 3g, you'll have at&t "4g" as well
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Kind of a repeat of what is in this thread started by me (which you tried to hijack)
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Sorry, I don't know why they did not move that thread over to this forum. It was clearly labeled as a g2x thread.
That is great info from T-Mobile about the "Sim Subsidy Unlock Program."
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They will then open this request and you then have 7 days to fax the following to the Sim Unlock Team at 1-813-353-6557 :
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does it have to be "faxed"? you can't email the info? thanks
Lightning N1 said:
I know that I am not the only one looking at this phone as a way to get a great Dual Core, 4G, vanilla Android phone (unmolested by AT&T) but able to be used on the AT&T network. I have had great luck and a lot of fun with the AT&T Nexus One and I think this phone will be just a successful with the help of XDA DEV's
I wanted to start a thread here in the G2X section for people to share with other users how to's and what works with regards to using this phone on the AT&T network.
It may be to soon to get all the answers, but maybe someone is working the same answers.
Questions:
How easy will it be to obtain the SIM Unlock code from T-Mobile or LG?
I am going to buy the phone at retail, just may have to use T-Mobile for 60-90 days to get the Unlock code.
Will AT&T allow us to upgrade to 4G data plan without buying their 4G phone?
I know from researching the Atrix 4G that the AT&T data plan needed to be upgraded to a 4G plan but you could keep unlimited data.
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Wondering the same things. Currently have the vibrant...
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davehasninjas said:
As for at&t's 4g, there currently using hspa+ also, so if it supports their 3g, you'll have at&t "4g" as well
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Just expect to have below 3G upload speeds with AT&T.
Edit: nevermind... software vs hardware limitations. Nonetheless, screw AT&T
nomisunrider said:
Kind of a repeat of what is in this thread started by me (which you tried to hijack)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1036129
Re-posting what I have found here:
I just got off of the phone with t-mobile customer care (1-877-453-1304). I called them because I wanted clarification on this before I purchased 2 full retail price phones.
The program is called the "Sim Subsidy Unlock Program." It is for anyone that purchases a phone for the full retail price from a corporate store or an authorized retailer and pays all of the price upfront.
You need to call customer care, explain that you purchased a phone for full price and request a "remedy request form number." They will then open this request and you then have 7 days to fax the following to the Sim Unlock Team at 1-813-353-6557 :
ATTENTION: SIM UNLOCK TEAM
Full Name
Mobile Number
Email Address
Readable Copy Of Sales Receipt
It takes 24 to 72 hours to process and they will email you instructions to unlock your phone.
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That is this NORMAL procedure ...unless the phone is "exclusive" to T-Mobile. In such a case they will NOT unlock it even if you paid full retail price. This is what happened to me with their dell streak 7, I had to return it as they would not unlock it no matter what and I paid full retail for it so please triple check before you buy as I think the the G2X is exclusive to T-Mobile in the US.
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clubtech said:
That is this NORMAL procedure ...unless the phone is "exclusive" to T-Mobile. In such a case they will NOT unlock it even if you paid full retail price. This is what happened to me with their dell streak 7, I had to return it as they would not unlock it no matter what and I paid full retail for it so please triple check before you buy as I think the the G2X is exclusive to T-Mobile in the US.
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If this is true, are there any stores that are offering unlocks for this phone?
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clubtech said:
That is this NORMAL procedure ...unless the phone is "exclusive" to T-Mobile. In such a case they will NOT unlock it even if you paid full retail price. This is what happened to me with their dell streak 7, I had to return it as they would not unlock it no matter what and I paid full retail for it so please triple check before you buy as I think the the G2X is exclusive to T-Mobile in the US.
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why does it work on at&t bands.... ANY PHONE and i repeat ANY phone can be unlocked.... the phone is made for two networkds (im guessing because of the possible merger) so no its not stuck to just tmobile... now i understand your stating that tmobile might not give the codes because it is an "exclusive tmobile phone" however!!!!! give this forum a few weeks and you will have it unlocked!
im sure there is away just like any other phone! (if im wrong and this is the only phone in the world that cant be unlocked you can kick me in the ****)
compuguy1088 said:
If this is true, are there any stores that are offering unlocks for this phone?
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I cant find anyplace that have unlock codes for the G2X. This is an issue...
clubtech said:
That is this NORMAL procedure ...unless the phone is "exclusive" to T-Mobile. In such a case they will NOT unlock it even if you paid full retail price. This is what happened to me with their dell streak 7, I had to return it as they would not unlock it no matter what and I paid full retail for it so please triple check before you buy as I think the the G2X is exclusive to T-Mobile in the US.
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It can be unlocked. Mine will be as soon as I get it. Just have to wait for employees to be able to order it.
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sk337sk337 said:
It can be unlocked. Mine will be as soon as I get it. Just have to wait for employees to be able to order it.
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Just curious but how will workers being able to order it, affect a way to get it unlocked?
spyz88 said:
I cant find anyplace that have unlock codes for the G2X. This is an issue...
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It's not even officially out yet. Of course you cannot find unlock codes for it.
sk337sk337 said:
It can be unlocked. Mine will be as soon as I get it. Just have to wait for employees to be able to order it.
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I'm sure it CAN be unlocked if you can get the unlock code. If the device is exclusive to T-Mobile, they wont give the unlock codes out so u are left only with back door options like T-Mobile employees .
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nomisunrider said:
It's not even officially out yet. Of course you cannot find unlock codes for it.
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It officially has been on sale since the 15th, so yes, it is out yet. Also, I have seen unlock codes for phones that are about to be released. Especially if there is a European counterpart.
P.S. I'm getting especially sick of these carriers with phones being locked to carriers, locked down, locked/encrypted bootloaders. SMH.
spyz88 said:
It officially has been on sale since the 15th, so yes, it is out yet. Also, I have seen unlock codes for phones that are about to be released. Especially if there is a European counterpart.
P.S. I'm getting especially sick of these carriers with phones being locked to carriers, locked down, locked/encrypted bootloaders. SMH.
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not to pick a fight but NO its not officially out yet... it went on pre-order the 15th... that is not an official release if its just on pre-order
call customer service they will tell you the same
now as the same methods that worked with the O2x may not work with the G2x...
nate420 said:
...give this forum a few weeks and you will have it unlocked!
im sure there is away just like any other phone! (if im wrong and this is the only phone in the world that cant be unlocked you can kick me in the ****)...
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SIM unlock codes are provided by the phone manufacturer. When you make a request for an unlock code, the wireless company forwards the request to the manufacturer. The manufacturer e-mail's you the unlock code. If you're using an unlock service off the web they're doing the same thing. Devs have nothing to do with unlocking a SIM.
BarryH_GEG said:
SIM unlock codes are provided by the phone manufacturer. When you make a request for an unlock code, the wireless company forwards the request to the manufacturer. The manufacturer e-mail's you the unlock code. If you're using an unlock service off the web they're doing the same thing. Devs have nothing to do with unlocking a SIM.
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MANY of my phones have been unlocked by the help of people finding a way!
thanks for your input but my vibrant was unlocked without dealing with tmobile/manufacturers
I purchased a AT&T HTC One X Unlocked from a online seller through paypal (from USA). I got the phone along with the unlocked code and I unlocked i succesfully. I stay in India. I was using the phone for past one month and it was working absolutely fine. All of a sudden today I am getting a message "IMEI Locked - Please contact customer support". Although I could make calls and browse internet. But don't know what happens next and till when it works.I am very tensed. I shelled out 400$.
What is supposed to be do to resolve the issue?? Will rooting the phone helps?? or my phone is gonna be an expensive brick?? I didn't update the OS or anything. :crying::crying:
Please reply ASAP. I will be very very thankful.
chaitanya.alur said:
I purchased a AT&T HTC One X Unlocked from a online seller through paypal (from USA). I got the phone along with the unlocked code and I unlocked i succesfully. I stay in India. I was using the phone for past one month and it was working absolutely fine. All of a sudden today I am getting a message "IMEI Locked - Please contact customer support". Although I could make calls and browse internet. But don't know what happens next and till when it works.I am very tensed. I shelled out 400$.
What is supposed to be do to resolve the issue?? Will rooting the phone helps?? or my phone is gonna be an expensive brick?? I didn't update the OS or anything. :crying::crying:
Please reply ASAP. I will be very very thankful.
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Someone rely ASAP..it's urgent..I am attaching the screen shot also..
Stolen...........only way to unblock it is the original account holder must report it as recovered..........
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Get in touch with your carrier and ask them why the imei is locked
Not sure if us carriers share stolen imeis with Indian carriers
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It's a at&t branded device, so no other carrier will have any information on it.
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Do you still have unlock code with you??
Does any sort of OS update happened??
His phone isn't sim locked. It's imei is locked. At&t just started locking them on stolen phones in late July this year.
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18th.abn .. thanks.. I thought of sim locked... then I do not think there is a feasible way to recover it.. Is it something like bad ESN for CDMA phones?
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But I thought at&T can block usage of it only on it;s network
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It's a at&t branded device, so no other carrier will have any information on it.
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That's my point bro ...he's in India so how can an Indian carrier block his imei ....either his imei is 0 or cloned
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even if they block this IMEI won't it still work with other gsm companies?
it won't work on at&t no?
It's not like cdma phones were its just on a list, which even then when you flash them to other carriers the imei has to be "repaired"(which means changed). With u.s. gsm I believe the lock is sent to device, and the only way to unlock is by a code given by or sent from the carrier.........I'm researching it but I'm 90% sure that's how they are doing it.......and by op screenshot it supports as it is the same with simlocked phones but different msg....if he slides to unlock it probably goes to a dialled to enter code............would like a confirmation on this from the op if he's still here.......
Either way, he bought on eBay so he is protected and can get a refund, or he stole it and is looking for help and there isn't an answer except call at&t
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18th.abn said:
Either way, he bought on eBay so he is protected and can get a refund, or he stole it and is looking for help and there isn't an answer except call at&t
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My money's on it being stolen. Yep, I have no faith in humanity.
With the way AT&T is blacklisting stolen devices, it's pretty much like the cdma list. The imei gets blocked from any gsm.
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Can they lock the IMEI if you have an unpaid bill with AT&T, but have SIM-unlocked the phone and have a Straight Talk SIM?
I'd suspect even that they may be carrier partners, have roaming agreements an such in place to reach that far. Idk.
WR
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all carriers share stolen IMEI numbers in a global list that is available for all carriers, around the world, to use.
In India, it is mandatory for carriers to honor the global block list because of terrorism concerns.
to the original poster - your phone is marked as stolen. The best way to deal with this is to contact AT&T, show them proof of purchase (Paypal receipt, etc.), show them the original craigslist posting, share identity documents like passport, etc. and request for unblocking. Once they have unblocked, then you will have to do the same with your local (Indian provider).
sandys1 said:
all carriers share stolen IMEI numbers in a global list that is available for all carriers, around the world, to use.
In India, it is mandatory for carriers to honor the global block list because of terrorism concerns.
to the original poster - your phone is marked as stolen. The best way to deal with this is to contact AT&T, show them proof of purchase (Paypal receipt, etc.), show them the original craigslist posting, share identity documents like passport, etc. and request for unblocking. Once they have unblocked, then you will have to do the same with your local (Indian provider).
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They may, be shared but most do nothing, in Canada nadda.
This is not world encompassing yet.
WR
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sandys1 said:
all carriers share stolen IMEI numbers in a global list that is available for all carriers, around the world, to use.
In India, it is mandatory for carriers to honor the global block list because of terrorism concerns.
to the original poster - your phone is marked as stolen. The best way to deal with this is to contact AT&T, show them proof of purchase (Paypal receipt, etc.), show them the original craigslist posting, share identity documents like passport, etc. and request for unblocking. Once they have unblocked, then you will have to do the same with your local (Indian provider).
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Oh!.. is it. I never thought they will be blocked in India..anyway thanks for the info
I was just about to buy an AT&T unlocked HTC one X from ebay for use in India when I came across this post. Should I be worried? :silly:
Well, I would recommend that you ask him for photographic proof that phone is functioning fine with a simple card.
I also found this link that talks about being able to verify stolen imei in India http://imei-number.com/imei-validation-check/ not sure if it works.
Or you could go my way and buy from XDA. I heard that Swappa is also reputable - but not as much as XDA.
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Is it possible? I've ran out of requests thru AT&T so I'm trying to find a different method before I go to Vietnam for vacation.
I see the Bump! thread but that's about the bootloader.
Is there a way?
TIA!
I used cellunlocker.net
It took 10 minutes and cost 7.99
Very easy to do also. You just may need to borrow a non att SIM to enter the code.
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contentryder said:
Is it possible? I've ran out of requests thru AT&T so I'm trying to find a different method before I go to Vietnam for vacation.
I see the Bump! thread but that's about the bootloader.
Is there a way?
TIA!
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unlockcode247 ; cost $2 and I got an unlock code within 30 minutes
I wish I used that one.
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Ok but, is it unlockcode247.com safe? I say because I have read on Scam Audit that "This website seems suspicious". And seems strange that you only have to select the brand of your phone and not the model to unlock it.
There are several online website that can send you an unlock code for your phone. It will be around de $2~$10 range. Delivery times varies depending on the website ordered. I will recommend a provider that allows PayPal payment option.
So I bought my phone in the middle east today. I plan to use it overseas.
The guy at the store told me I need to put in a middle east Sim and talk for 10 minutes to unlock it.
Looking this up online, I found that this is the case also if you buy the phone from Europe etc.
I talked for 15 minutes just to be sure.
So now how can I tell that it is unlocked? Because once I go overseas I won't be able to come back and try again until months later.
So is there any way I can confirm right now that it is indeed unlocked? Or do I just trust the system?
Thank you
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Same is the case for India. You did the right thing. Now your phone will accept any sim. By adopting this method they want to curb selling phones via the unofficial channel.
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