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I'm curious as to what the best standard size high capacity battery for the Samsung Galaxy S is.
After some searching the Andida 1850mah battery seems to be the best choice, but I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the other high capacity batteries such as the 1800mah one that's floating around on ebay:
cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150532499575&category=20336&_trksid=p5197.c0.m619
Any help would be greatly appreciated
On the seller's feedback page I found the following comments:
not 1800mAH battery, last no longer than a normal nattery. But a good extra batt
Correct battery got here faster than expected from China no less better than OEM
Battery works great. Seems to provide a bit more juice then stock
This battery is junk. Only lasted 6 hours with my phone in standby. Don't buy
The battery work ok, but not last longer then my 1500mah original battery.
Yeah there's mixed reviews on it so I was just wondering if anyone had any personal experience with it.
Also, i'm curious if anyone knows anything about this:
cgi.ebay.com/1900mAH-Battery-Samsung-i9000-Galaxy-S-Phone-GIFT-/180601972297?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item2a0cb76649
Homeless2 said:
Yeah there's mixed reviews on it so I was just wondering if anyone had any personal experience with it.
Also, i'm curious if anyone knows anything about this:
cgi.ebay.com/1900mAH-Battery-Samsung-i9000-Galaxy-S-Phone-GIFT-/180601972297?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item2a0cb76649
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I build a discharge tester and did some research on this one over @ captivate forum. Check it out here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=906611
I'm very curous about this battery for Desire HD. From my experience, 3rd party batteries are generally frowned upon because they usually either
1) Does not contain the advertised charge (mah) amount
2) Does contain the advertised amount of charge but the battery spoils fast, and would be unable to hold charge properly after a few months of usage
3) Heat issues, etc, safety issues in general
It seems like many people in this forum have already got the battery and would like to know whats it like so far. my current original DHD battery has already semi gave way after a year+ of usage, it no longer hold the charge proper and I can only charge up till 60+% before it jumps straight to 100%, as well as battery level jumps erratically.
I went to check, seems like the mugen 1500mah battery http://www.mugen-power-batteries.co...ery-for-for-htc-desire-hd-softbank-001ht.html cost around $45 US which translates to roughly $56SGD whereas locally the original DHD battery costs $59SGD. Adding a couple of bucks for shipping and all, it definitely works out to be a better battery to purchase if it actually works well (e.g. refer to above criterias).
So I would like to know whether the battery suffer from the problem of holding charge and also any heat/security issues. Considering I've read that many people claim that they get a lot more battery life out of it in their initial usage.
you can find plenty of user comments in these threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=818794
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=997060
Between the 2 threads, there are about 700 comments
If you can live with a modified battery cover then this is superior to the mugen battery and cheaper too:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1344761
Big advantage here is you can use an original sensation/evo3d battery from HTC and don't have to have rely on 3rd party batteries.
On the other hand you can get as much as 1900mAh instead of the 1500mAh mugen offers.
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you can find plenty of user comments in these threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=818794
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=997060
Between the 2 threads, there are about 700 comments
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As a matter of fact I have skimmed through that threads and I don't find anyone talking about how the battery life performs after months to a year of usage. This is a common concern because many 3rd party batteries lose their ability to hold charge very quickly after a short period of time. Of course it can be argued that no one complained about it in the thread but thats not substantial enough. The uesr reviews thats stated in those thread that you have linked are mostly by new users who were "wow"ed by the battery and then stop coming over to the thread altogether.
Even if they would reply, you wouldn't be able to use their statements because you don't know how they treated the battery so far.
I received my Mugen battery lately and I will be handling it the way I learned from here:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
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As a matter of fact I have skimmed through that threads and I don't find anyone talking about how the battery life performs after months to a year of usage. This is a common concern because many 3rd party batteries lose their ability to hold charge very quickly after a short period of time. Of course it can be argued that no one complained about it in the thread but thats not substantial enough. The uesr reviews thats stated in those thread that you have linked are mostly by new users who were "wow"ed by the battery and then stop coming over to the thread altogether.
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I have been using the Mugen battery for about a month now, following their instructions on how to handle the battery during the initial charges.
First, you say "3rd party batteries lose their charge.... after months to a year". Well, my original HTC battery after one year, is - I estimate - about 50% of the new Mugen.
OK, a new battery will outperform an old one, but it's not just 3rd party batteries.
When I changed batteries, the OEM one had actually expanded slightly and it did not slide out of its compartment easily. So the OEM is not a perfect guarantee of a lifetime of high power and good behaviour
And, I spent the extra € on Mugen and not the 2000mAh cons from eBay - Mugen has built a reputation over time, it is built to a similar (or higher?) standard as the OEM's.
btw look for a coupon that is valid for 10 or 20% I recall off the standard Mugen price.
test1800mAh
Many businesses will pretend to be the large capacity, we choose the best choice in the factory, so the quality guaranteed some. I bought a nominal capacity is 2300 mAh, I test the actual can reach 1800 mAh.
does it give you much better battery life?
So if im charghing my battery and it jumps to 100 from 74pct it shows that my battery is in bad condition?
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does it give you much better battery life?
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Yes, about 22 % (1500:1230= 1,219...)
No because it's physically impossible.
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No because it's physically impossible.
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I've measured my battery and, as stated before, it has 1523 mAh.
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I've measured my battery and, as stated before, it has 1523 mAh.
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I can confirm this too.
Zeitraffer said:
I've measured my battery and, as stated before, it has 1523 mAh.
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Give me a screenshot of a true test of the battery using external monitoring. Batteryboss.org is my proof, where is yours?
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where is yours?
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I can confirm this too.
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Also I'm not here to battle myself with others about stats.
There's a lot of people that are satisfied with Mugen, even here on the board.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=12986796
I personally don't care if you don't believe that.
I used a battery testing widget when I first got the mugen battery about 2 months back...
It was around 1300mAh with maximum 15% deviation, stayed around that value for the charge cycles done during that period, for about a couple of weeks.
I'd say its definitely pretty close. My HTC battery was at 800mAh with maximum of 20% deviation by the end of 1 year.
(Deviation comes from the limitation of calculating the mAh if I'm not wrong. Because it takes value of the actual consumption / charging once every minute or so, it kind of either interpolates between values, or just assume the whole 1 minute being the recorded value. Hence the possible variation.)
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Also I'm not here to battle myself with others about stats.
There's a lot of people that are satisfied with Mugen, even here on the board.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=12986796
I personally don't care if you don't believe that.
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Of course you don't, but no, ignorance is not a replacement for knowledge.
Actual testing (250 mA drain until shutoff voltage) shows Mugen to be wrong. Where is proof that you're right?
For the OP: http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Univ...able-Packaging/dp/B00486MH80/ref=pd_sim_cps_6
That should give one full charge of the Desire HD from 0% to 100%. It's about the size of the phone, but thinner.
http://www.amazon.com/Anker-SlimTal..._1_6?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1334818005&sr=1-6
This should give around two to 1.75 full charges.
I would highly suggest going with genuine OEM batteries to get the maximum you can get. Always ask yourself: If it was so easy to get more battery capacity into the phone, why didn't HTC do it?
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Batteryboss.org is my proof
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No it's not, because batteryboss.org did not test the Mugen 1500 mAh battery for the HTC Desire HD this thread is about. If they did, please provide a link.
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Tests of batteries being sold for HTC's Nexus One, Incredible, EVO 4G, Hero, Desire and Touch Pro2/Tilt 2.
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where is yours?
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Where is proof that you're right?
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I have posted a screenshot of BatteryMonitorWidgetPro below, showing 1526 mAh of in-use value as complete capacity after 100% complete / 0% discharge cycles.
Also showing 1214 mAh with +- 41% deviation while on daily use, with no complete charge/discharge cycles that I made in the beginning, after I had received the battery on March 13th 2012.
So this is not the complete capacity; the upper value is.
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Actual testing (250 mA drain until shutoff voltage) shows Mugen to be wrong.
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Where? Please provide a link to the test of the Mugen 1500 mAh for HTC Desire HD.
Of course I might be wrong, for I am no technician, but the one test app that I used showed me these values. I haven't read anything about Mugen selling batteries with fake values, so I'd really like to know more about it, if there is
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No it's not, because batteryboss.org did not test the Mugen 1500 mAh battery for the HTC Desire HD this thread is about. If they did, please provide a link.
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They tested a Mugen battery, which consistently shows that they overrate batteries. By default, the rating of the battery is in serious doubt.
Zeitraffer said:
I have posted a screenshot of BatteryMonitorWidgetPro below, showing 1526 mAh of in-use value as complete capacity after 100% complete / 0% discharge cycles.
Also showing 1214 mAh with +- 41% deviation while on daily use, with no complete charge/discharge cycles that I made in the beginning, after I had received the battery on March 13th 2012.
So this is not the complete capacity; the upper value is.
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Your own phone is telling you that you're getting exactly OEM capacity, maybe less. Battery Monitor Widget extrapolates what it thinks your mAh rating of the battery is based upon the voltage and the mA consumed to get to that voltage. So far it looks like your battery is either OEM capacity or slightly less. The top 1526 mAh number is what the battery claims to have, not what it really has.
Zeitraffer said:
Where? Please provide a link to the test of the Mugen 1500 mAh for HTC Desire HD.
Of course I might be wrong, for I am no technician, but the one test app that I used showed me these values. I haven't read anything about Mugen selling batteries with fake values, so I'd really like to know more about it, if there is
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1. Your test app is proving you wrong.
2. Phone based test applications are a horrible idea, proper testing should be done with the battery charged outside the phone to 4.2v then discharged to 3.4v at constant mA drain. Multiply the time that it took to drain by the mA drain used to get your accurate capacity.
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They tested a Mugen battery, which consistently shows that they overrate batteries. By default, the rating of the battery is in serious doubt.
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1 battery doesn't prove anything.
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Battery Monitor Widget extrapolates what it thinks your mAh rating of the battery is
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No, it uses historical data (logs) to measure the battery. It doesn't think, it measures.
Please provide a link or anything else for such statements.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ccc71.bmw.pro&hl=de said:
Measures real battery capacity using historical data
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So far it looks like your battery is either OEM capacity or slightly less.
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No. This is how the app works: This value (1214 mAh) was measured by not draining the battery completely anymore. If I don't drain the pack to 0%, the app cannot measure all the capacity. Simple logic.
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The top 1526 mAh number is what the battery claims to have, not what it really has.
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No, the battery was measured all the way from 100% to 0%, and that's what came out after several complete cycles. The log is accessible inside the program.
How should it claim another value?
Hunt3r.j2 said:
Your test app is proving you wrong.
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Please prove that statement.
HTC Desire HD is a supported device
http://www.3c71.com/android/?q=node/102
Hunt3r.j2 said:
2. Phone based test applications are a horrible idea, proper testing should be done with the battery charged outside the phone to 4.2v then discharged to 3.4v at constant mA drain. Multiply the time that it took to drain by the mA drain used to get your accurate capacity.
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That is just your opinion.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221104009277?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
I bought this battery couple days ago, and I want to see if there is some opinions about what I should expect from this battery, before I will get it and will share my own from the usage of it.
I am thinking of getting one just like that. Let us know when you get it...
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I am thinking of getting one just like that. Let us know when you get it...
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Is it the same physical size as the original battery?no need to change the back cover?
Badzoo said:
Is it the same physical size as the original battery?no need to change the back cover?
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If it's 2450mAh and the same size as the original battery, it's fake.
I've seen these gold batteries before. Often they are OEM batteries with a fancy sticker on. Don't be fooled. Run it via a battery test, or even use Spare Parts to check the capacity. Also, avoid the placebo effect, your phone might seem to last longer and because of that you think it's a good battery but it might be simply because the battery is newer; you should consider does it run better than when you first had the phone?
If "Item location: Hong Kong, China" doesn't say enough, the free shipping and outrageous capacity claim should tip you off that it's a burn. It's just a low quality knockoff battery with a flashy label.
It's a fake.
If you want more capacity you need to buy a bigger battery and the cover to contain it, there are no other options.
Cloudxxxx said:
It's a fake.
If you want more capacity you need to buy a bigger battery and the cover to contain it, there are no other options.
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That's not strictly true. You can get non-fake batteries up to 1800 mAh while still being able to use the original battery cover.
I'm using this one (Polar Cell with 1800 mAh) with the original cover:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/PolarCell-Akku-Samsung-GT-i9000-Galaxy-S-EB575152VU-/390280069621
I don't think there will be batteries with more capacity and the same size - those are just fakes coming from China, GB...
matzehtc said:
I'm using this one (Polar Cell with 1800 mAh) with the original cover:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/PolarCell-Akku-Samsung-GT-i9000-Galaxy-S-EB575152VU-/390280069621
I don't think there will be batteries with more capacity and the same size - those are just fakes coming from China, GB...
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I've got the same battery. It's a big improvement over the stock battery.
I'm going to get one of these batterys and try them
And if size doesn't matter you may search for a battery with a capacity between 3.000 and 3.500 mAh, changing the battery cover. But i won't buy the one from the first post...
For me that's way to thick. :silly: I also think it's ok if the battery lasts at least 20 hours - or i'll just take another charged battery with me.
Another charged battery is a good resolution too and i got a second one cuz its my second sgs+ my old had a bath but i had insurance so i got a new device
Hello guys, I wonder if you can help me at all. I have a Samsung gt-i9000 running android 4.3 at the moment . When I upgraded the OS (I was on 4.0) I have noticed that the battery life decreased dramatically, It lasts no longer than half a day. I have already changed one battery but with not much success, so
I started to look into high capacity ones. I had a look around and found a few reviews here and there but not specifically for the gt-i9000 – even this useful one here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1956293 . So I wonder:
1)has anybody tried one of these high capacity batteries on the gt-i9000? I looked at the zerolemon 7500mAh and the anker 52000mAh - although I don't know whether these are compatible with my phone;
2)I presume that the high capacity batteries are actually thicker than the default 1500mAh I have at the moment, so when you buy one do they come with another back cover?
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Hello guys, I wonder if you can help me at all. I have a Samsung gt-i9000 running android 4.3 at the moment . When I upgraded the OS (I was on 4.0) I have noticed that the battery life decreased dramatically, It lasts no longer than half a day. I have already changed one battery but with not much success, so
I started to look into high capacity ones. I had a look around and found a few reviews here and there but not specifically for the gt-i9000 – even this useful one here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1956293 . So I wonder:
1)has anybody tried one of these high capacity batteries on the gt-i9000? I looked at the zerolemon 7500mAh and the anker 52000mAh - although I don't know whether these are compatible with my phone;
2)I presume that the high capacity batteries are actually thicker than the default 1500mAh I have at the moment, so when you buy one do they come with another back cover?
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Hi, I recently bought a Polarcell 1800mAh battery on Ebay which gives me half a day more juice on Galaxy running CM 10.2. I found out that all batteries above this capacity are massively thicker than the original one and do require a wider back cover. Most of these bigger ones are shipped together with a back cover.
Regarding your questions about the zerolemon, I only found batteries for the S2 and the S3 which wont fit for the S1.
not your battery at fault, sounds like you got wakelock issues. with your rom.
thanks guys.
@zegovernator I think I need something more powerful than 1800mAh so I might need to get a bulky one. I have found this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3000mAh-B...-Extended-with-Black-back-cover-/150981110923 that seems to be good enough.
@slybunda, thanks for your comment. If it is an issue with that, would you know how to fix it without me buying another battery?
thanks
use app called better battery stats and see the individual wakelocks I had issues with google currents and hangouts both which I don't use so I disabled them and got my full battery life back. have a look for one of my posts in the i9000 battery threads got screenshots of very good battery life
Got 1800 battery from Anker, very good.
Only charges slowly with the car adapter.
Depends on kernel and rom for how long it lasts.. Was very good using android 4.3 but recently battery was discharging fast after gapps update.
Fine again now on kitkat
Buy from Ebay 1800 in good price,I did =)
I replaced my battery due to aging，the capacity of the new battery is 4400mAh。Since it is not an official battery， system shows that the battery design capacity is still 4000mAh. I try to modify /sys/class/power_supply/bms/uevent this file, change "power_supply_charge_full" from 3835 to 4400。I saved this file and quit, but "power_supply_charge_full" didn't change when I open it again.The system is H2OS, and I flashed r58 arter97 kernel. How can I modify the battery design capacity?
Interested to see how this works out. Keep us informed
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I replaced my battery due to aging，the capacity of the new battery is 4400mAh。Since it is not an official battery， system shows that the battery design capacity is still 4000mAh. I try to modify /sys/class/power_supply/bms/uevent this file, change "power_supply_charge_full" from 3835 to 4400。I saved this file and quit, but "power_supply_charge_full" didn't change when I open it again.The system is H2OS, and I flashed r58 arter97 kernel. How can I modify the battery design capacity?
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4400 mAh? Where did you get this?
I bet the battery you bought isn't even 3500mah . Aftermarket batteries advertising with more mah than the original one are in 99% of the cases bs. I hope I'm wrong for you but keep in mind this could be the case. Where did you bought it? You have a link maybe?
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I bet the battery you bought isn't even 3500mah . Aftermarket batteries advertising with more mah than the original one are in 99% of the cases bs. I hope I'm wrong for you but keep in mind this could be the case. Where did you bought it? You have a link maybe?
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I live in China, there are many shops on Taobao.com that sell third-party batteries for various mobile phones, like apple,xiaomi. Regarding the battery, I used the AccuBattery test, and it took about 4450mah to charge from 1% to 100%. Many people who bought the battery have also verified that its capacity is not fake. I heard that the system information about the battery can be modified only if the kernel has open permissions. Unfortunately, many kernels do not support it, including arter97.
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I replaced my battery due to aging，the capacity of the new battery is 4400mAh。Since it is not an official battery， system shows that the battery design capacity is still 4000mAh. I try to modify /sys/class/power_supply/bms/uevent this file, change "power_supply_charge_full" from 3835 to 4400。I saved this file and quit, but "power_supply_charge_full" didn't change when I open it again.The system is H2OS, and I flashed r58 arter97 kernel. How can I modify the battery design capacity?
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Modified it from twrp?
I believe you, but with the experience I have this is rare. I also asked where the battery is from, if possible with a link. My battery (accubattery) is saying 86% , so I'm interested in possible replacements. Also, I worked 5 years at a repair shop for a big provider in the Netherlands so I'm no noob in hardware repair. A bigger battery normally (kinda logical) is bigger, so if the promise is 10% bigger mah it normally should be bigger and don't fit the housing. What I wonder is if the OP8pro battery could fit in the OP7pro, the connection is on the same place but not sure if it's the same. I can't find any size specs about the OP8P battery unfortunately.
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I live in China, there are many shops on Taobao.com that sell third-party batteries for various mobile phones, like apple,xiaomi. Regarding the battery, I used the AccuBattery test, and it took about 4450mah to charge from 1% to 100%. Many people who bought the battery have also verified that its capacity is not fake. I heard that the system information about the battery can be modified only if the kernel has open permissions. Unfortunately, many kernels do not support it, including arter97.
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I did this with Samsung note 5, bought multiply 3rd party batteries and they were all below orginal battery capicity even though they sold as higher. Also verified from accubattery, as far as I know you can't change the 4000 as it is the default but there should be a setting to change it
Thats interesting, i wanna try that too myself but im wondering... you obviously losee the warp charge function with these batteries right? How long it wakes to actually charge from 1 to 100? @Desertz
Desertz said:
I live in China, there are many shops on Taobao.com that sell third-party batteries for various mobile phones, like apple,xiaomi. Regarding the battery, I used the AccuBattery test, and it took about 4450mah to charge from 1% to 100%. Many people who bought the battery have also verified that its capacity is not fake. I heard that the system information about the battery can be modified only if the kernel has open permissions. Unfortunately, many kernels do not support it, including arter97.
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I don't believe wrap charge is lost due to it being at the port and the block
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I don't believe wrap charge is lost due to it being at the port and the block
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Maybe no but he needs to confirm
Sounds like a bad idea and you got ripped off for a fake battery
https://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-galaxy-note5/battery-experiment-t3502232
Instead of wrap charge, Qualcomm 2.0 worked on all batteries tested
Since you need an account for taobao, this is what U.S offers. Phone is made in China, batteries, so replacement battery should be from China. https://www.ebay.com/itm/LOSONCOER-...174264914155?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10
can confirm this losoncoer battery does wrap charge, gonna test capicty with accurate battery and battery calbration(app and draining total no power)
Desertz said:
I replaced my battery due to aging，the capacity of the new battery is 4400mAh。Since it is not an official battery， system shows that the battery design capacity is still 4000mAh. I try to modify /sys/class/power_supply/bms/uevent this file, change "power_supply_charge_full" from 3835 to 4400。I saved this file and quit, but "power_supply_charge_full" didn't change when I open it again.The system is H2OS, and I flashed r58 arter97 kernel. How can I modify the battery design capacity?
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On charging page
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can confirm this losoncoer battery does wrap charge, gonna test capicty with accurate battery and battery calbration(app and draining total no power)
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Alright thanks, keep us informed please I'm really curious about this topic as I kinda wanna get my hands on a new battery, mine is 82% health don't know how much of a difference I would notice if I manage to get an original 4000mah battery.
Also kinda of random question but do you know where to buy an original warp charger? Thanks
Original wrap charge from OnePlus store
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Original wrap charge from OnePlus store
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Meeh there is not such a thing as Oneplus store in a country like Mexico, if not i would have already buy one.
The market is flooded with fake chargers that somehow trick the phone and it shows warp charge but if you mesure the watt these chargers will never go above 17w so is even worse than a dash charger.
Have you tried eBay?