Does JuiceDefender work?...yes it does! - Thunderbolt General

okay well i am one TB owner who suffers greatly from poor battery life. so bad i have 4 replacement batteries and one extended! i try to cut back on my usage to help this but its so hard, especially at work where i carry 3 spare batteries with me. now at first, Juice Defender didnt work but it recently got an update that made it work with the Tb and it works great. i used to get 6 hours top on a battery. now im getting 13+ hours with 6+ hours of awake time (i was asleep during most of the other hours). i am overclocked at 1.4MHz, running the latest BAMF rom and kernel. i have SetCPU set on conservative. Gmail pushing automatically with everything else updating every hour. Twitdroyd updating every 5 minutes and a lot of texting, games, and some music/Slacker Radio throughout the day. i think this is GREAT for me, seeing how im not used to getting this kind of time. i cant wait to test this with my extended battery to see what i get! how about you guys? have any of you guys been testing out JuiceDefender? might get some of you whiners to stop whining haha jk what are you experiences with the TB and JuiceDefender?
PS, on a side note, i never really messed with SetCPU like that but which "profile" (i guess u can call it) gives the best battery life with out sacrificing a lot of speed? i know theres smartass, ondemand, conservative, powersaver but which is best? im just curious since i never touched this

The reason JD is saving you so much battery is you have a bunch of stuff syncing. And JD is preventing it from syncing. (Twitdroyd in particular)
All JD does is turn off your data (wifi/4G) radios when the display is off. I've measured it and for me, 4G/wifi idle only pull 1/4 of a percent every hour. So in a 24 hour period I've only lost 6-8 percent from idle data.
What's your display on time?
I normally use on demand for setcpu since smartass can have issues if not coded perfectly ( I also like the control of on demand) and conservative can cause lags when there are cpu spikes.

When JD wasn't working, I started using Green Power, which has been working fine for me. Any reasons why some people think JD might be better?
BTW, one thing that seems to have helped me is to use 4G-only mode at work where I have a very strong 4G signal.
I only have one spare 1400 mAh battery and one 2750 mAh battery.

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The reason JD is saving you so much battery is you have a bunch of stuff syncing. And JD is preventing it from syncing. (Twitdroyd in particular)
All JD does is turn off your data (wifi/4G) radios when the display is off. I've measured it and for me, 4G/wifi idle only pull 1/4 of a percent every hour. So in a 24 hour period I've only lost 6-8 percent from idle data.
What's your display on time?
I normally use on demand for setcpu since smartass can have issues if not coded perfectly ( I also like the control of on demand) and conservative can cause lags when there are cpu spikes.
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Only 8 percent? I lost over 30% within a 8 hour period with 4g on. And 11% with 4g off when idle. I have background sync off, set CPU clocked at 245 MHz when the screen is off.
Maybe I should exchange my TB?

What's your service like full bars?
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What's your service like full bars?
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Me? I'm in the range of 2 - 3 bars at home on 4g (mostly 2). When I'm out I get 4 bars.

I was always curious how the BatteryStats.bin works when using multiple batteries... especially if you are using a combo of standard and extended.
Does the device get confused and need recalibration? I am not sure if it would be reporting the correct battery stats to the device and may require calibration... but I honestly do not know.

SevenSe7enSeven said:
Me? I'm in the range of 2 - 3 bars at home on 4g (mostly 2). When I'm out I get 4 bars.
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Bars don't mean anything, you can have no bars and still have a full 4g/3g/1x signal. The signal db level is what matters, not bars.

My guess is that the optimizations from BAMF and the undervolted kernel combined with the smartass governor through setCPU are dramatically helping you.
There's no way that juice defender doubled your battery life with stock kernel and ROM.

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Bars don't mean anything, you can have no bars and still have a full 4g/3g/1x signal. The signal db level is what matters, not bars.
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I get 87 to 92 dbm

SevenSe7enSeven said:
Only 8 percent? I lost over 30% within a 8 hour period with 4g on. And 11% with 4g off when idle. I have background sync off, set CPU clocked at 245 MHz when the screen is off.
Maybe I should exchange my TB?
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That percentage is souly from the radio, not including al the other processes. I do get super good 4g signal so that probably helps my battery life

Im rooted with setcpu set to drop down to 245/368 when screen off and have Juice Defender with UJ, unplugged at 100% this morning at 7:30, its 2 now and have 88% left, texted some and had a 10 minute call over blue tooth. Stock battery.

bmcclure937 said:
I was always curious how the BatteryStats.bin works when using multiple batteries... especially if you are using a combo of standard and extended.
Does the device get confused and need recalibration? I am not sure if it would be reporting the correct battery stats to the device and may require calibration... but I honestly do not know.
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this is what i was wondering. i decided to not try the extended battery yet for this reason. only thing that always has bugged me about JD was it messing with twitter. i would never get mention or DM notifications since it turns off the radios while the screen is off. eh a price i have to pay for a better battery

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That percentage is souly from the radio, not including al the other processes. I do get super good 4g signal so that probably helps my battery life
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Oh okay. I misunderstood

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New Idea for helping save battery...

I have a friend that sent me this message today, which sounds like a great idea:
I've been messing with setcpu and trying out some underclocking profiles. Underclocking while the screen is off as well as reducing the CPU power has gotten me 75% battery left after 8 hours. This is with constant emails but no wireless, bluetooth, or gps. This is better than I was getting under windows mobile.
Using a complete black background as your desktop background screen also helps with battery life. The black areas dont use battery power.
If you install one of the cpu meters, it will show that there is automatic underclocking... mine says it has been running at 100MHz for 76% of the time (1 day uptime).
Android System Info will tell you this.
Now, I'm not sure if this is the same as what you are doing though.
You know, I believe that is correct. I don't know if he is getting any advantage or not. I'll forward the info to him and see what he thinks.
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Using a complete black background as your desktop background screen also helps with battery life. The black areas dont use battery power.
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That only helps if you spend a significant amount of time on your phone's home screen or hit buttons a lot when the phone is in your pocket.
I've found that the best way to save battery life is to use manual brightness. Auto brightness is just too bright. In fact some newer firmware hidden on samsung's site does make auto brightness a bit dimmer.
Using manual brightness I get about one hour and fifteen minutes of screen time per 10% of battery. I get about an hour per ten percent at work, where it's brighter. I get about half that with auto-brightness.
I think one good way to test which i am going to do to tonight is charge your phone and right before you go to bed unplug it and let it run through the night and in the morning see what sucks the most battery. i'm going to assume it should be "phone idle" but if its cell standby then something is sucking data, someone correct me if im wrong .
Just flash to jh2 out jh3. I'm on 16 hours and have 50% left
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I know my 8525 (a precursor to the tilt) had excellent reception. It was far better than average. This captivate is not as good. In my experience the captivate has average reception. I've had much worse.
Well, my buddy that told me about the topic I used to start this thread just stopped by.
He is playing with an Android 2.2 ROM that has been installed on his HTC HD2, which also is undervolted a bit. And of course, tweaking with SETCPU>
He said he is getting email and messages etc as normal; has full CPU and good power when using it (BTW...the Quadrant readings on his phone is coming in at over 1700). His phone has been up for 24 hours, 15 minutes when he stopped in, and he had 58% battery left. Before he started tweaking (and I think before the undervolted ROM), he was getting 11-12 hours on a charge.
Sounds pretty good to me.

Thunderbolt battery...lol

So I know this subject has been hashed a thousand times. But... My tb was actually getting fantastic battery. Ten hours without charging. Right now I'm on the latest thundersense, no OC, conservative scaling, juice defender ultimate with data off when the screen's off, and my battery went from 100% to 49% in two hours. Am I doing something wrong, or did I just not quite understand that one day my phone turns on and says "I'm going to have terrible battery life from now on"? Because that's literally what happened. One day I was bragging about how fantastic my battery life is, the next was like I got blindsided by a mugger.
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Charge it fully, calibrate the battery.
I will try that and post back if I have any issues.
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Sorry for being a newb, but I keep on hearing about calibrating the battery in these forums. How do I do that?
Battery Calibration
Xpiatio said:
Sorry for being a newb, but I keep on hearing about calibrating the battery in these forums. How do I do that?
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Download Battery Calibration from the Market. It's free. Open the app, it notifies you when you're charged to 100%, hit the calibrate button and you're done. Simple as that.
I had the same problem and set a profile in setCPU to have max and min cpu speed at 245 while the screen is off. Used onDemand at 1.28 i believe and I went from charging by 4pm to still at 50% by midnight. It really was night and day.
shawncrobbins said:
I had the same problem and set a profile in setCPU to have max and min cpu speed at 245 while the screen is off. Used onDemand at 1.28 i believe and I went from charging by 4pm to still at 50% by midnight. It really was night and day.
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One thing I'm having trouble with understanding is the governors. I'm using smartass right now with no profiles. Will it underclock the phone to 245 when the screen is off? I read an article that said it didn't need profiles so I assumed it did this automatically.
i never expected fantastic battery just equivalent to my Dinc which is 9 hrs, on average i get 8 with my TB so it works for me
I get quite good battery out of my Thunderbolt. I ran it on stock battery with light usage almost 60 hours before I needed to charge.
boythatkills said:
I get quite good battery out of my Thunderbolt. I ran it on stock battery with light usage almost 60 hours before I needed to charge.
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Thank you for the amazingly valuable contribution to the thread! We can all rest easy knowing that user 'boythatkills' has good battery life. Pack it up and close the thread, this guy gets good battery so therefore the OP is of no concern!
boythatkills said:
I get quite good battery out of my Thunderbolt. I ran it on stock battery with light usage almost 60 hours before I needed to charge.
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I laughed when I seen this.. I get nearly the same in airplane mode or if I leave it plugged in it almost limitless
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To op first I would ditch juice defender never been a fan of that app plus it also takes resources to enable data again seems counter productive somewhat. Second it does seem these phones have days where they suck down the juice. Also I would use ondemand instead of conservative I have never seen one person even back to my Droid that said they had amazing battery on conservative scaling. I notice way to much lag with conservative as we its only supposed to scale up to the clock speed needed but it takes to long to scale up in my opinion. I've always gotten decent battery life from Droid to thunderbolt and I've always used ondemand with the min clock speed when screen off. Also if you dont have spareparts get it from the market it may have been a rogue app for some reason that day. I have Google voice act up on me from time to time. Hope this helps. Oh and I'm getting 20 to 30 hours out of mine. Whoever said 60 hours must have it hooked up to a car battery haha.
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I don't know about 60 hours on this phone yet. I have gotten 2 days with small usage, but not longer. This might be doable when CM7 starts getting nightly cranked out. Or when our AOSP kernels get better. That is when I started getting 3 days with my evo, but then again, that was with 3G only.
Ever since I did the battery calibration, it seems a lot better. I tend to flipflop back and forth between conservative and ondemand with my main profile- I wouldn't say conservative is a total waste, I'll reserve that for the powersave scaling. So in any case, was it just bad values were written to the batterystats.bin file? And if so, what steps can I take to keep it from happening again? Other than this little bump, I'd say the tb has been the best phone I've ever owned.
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CM7 battery life Troubleshooting thread

I am loving this rom, but also having HORRID battery life, I am literally dropping 10% every 90 minutes with an extended battery.
27% Cell Standbye
26% Bluetooth
19% Display
Now I keep reading that these might be false readings, but I keep reading this as a response to those having **** for battery life... so maybe they are not false?
Anyone having good battery life show readings like this? Those with bad battery life, what are your readings?
I'm running the CM7 w/the 2.5 radio - I'm in a 100% full time 4G area, but seem to have worse battery life when the 4G radio is on, so I just keep the phone on 3G - if I need the faster data I can always turn it on and off.
I'm running the stock kernal, no overclocking or setcpu type stuff going on.
Would like to hear from folks running this ROM w/killer battery life, what are your settings, tweaks, etc. Please specify if you're running an MR1 or Mr2/2.5 version and/or running the latest OTA 2 radio that just came out like yesterday.
I just turned off my FB sync (I forgot about that). I don't have gmail set up to sync automatically either.
I'm going to do this procedure a little later today and see if it helps, this is for the EVO, but, ya know....
34. "Calibrate" battery - (1) Turn device ON, charge it for 8 hours (or until LED turns green), (2) unplug and turn it OFF, plug it back in and charge for 1 hour (or until LED turns green), (3) unplug and turn it ON, wait 2 minutes, turn it OFF, plug it back in, and charge for 1 hour (or until LED turns green), (4) unplug it, turn it ON, and use normally.
Anybody else try this?
today will be my first full day of work use w/this ROM so we'll see what happens.
Best to keep 4g off if not using it. Also, turn Bluetooth off when not in use.
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i had horrible battery life the first day - then it got better. then i flashed mr2 official and battery life is really solid. getting like 15-20 hrs with 4g always on, bluetooth on sometimes. one important thing is having a custom lighting table which i will post later.
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Best to keep 4g off if not using it. Also, turn Bluetooth off when not in use.
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I have never, nor do I intend to ever do this. I got an extended battery for a reason. I can go all day and then some on the official roms, and all of the Sense roms.
I am not new to CM7, I have run it on both an Eris, and an Incredible. Both devices got FAR better battery life on CM7.
I am not complaining about this rom, or Slayhers hard work. I simply want to gather information so that we may help him trouble shoot.
Immediate wiper batt stats at 100% this morning on my extended batter will report back with usage and level details
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Immediate wiper batt stats at 100% this morning on my extended batter will report back with usage and level details
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This is exactly what I did lol, I had lost 10% in the first 90 minutes, now I am at 58% at 5 hours. I have been streaming google music for 2 hours of that 5 though. I would guess I should have seen an increase in battery usage, but have not.
The battery readings are wrong, I get a full day on 4G with my stock battery and see those numbers for cell standby etc. I use lean kernel though
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do you see those numbers for BLUE TOOTH though? We know good and well some numbers are fake, but that does not mean all.
FYI I am now at 37% and 7 hours and 7 minutes... I have not used google music since the last post and I am seeing the exact same battery drain as when I was using it.
I have absolutely horrible battery life when I'm at work (which is basically a bunker). On a normal day, my battery will be dead within 6 hours just sitting there on my desk.
However, when I am at home (great 4G signal), I see my device getting upwards of 16 hours with moderate use.
I will also say that since I upgraded to the most recent radio, I have been having much better battery life at home. Additionally, my phone has stayed much cooler with the most recent RC + new radio combination.
I heard if you change the render fx to n1 calibrated, then you will get like 1 hour extra of battery life. You can change the render fx by going to cyanogenmod settings.
11h32m11s on extended battery 69% left
The other numbers have to be wrong. Theres no way cell standby is the number one battery user.
my cell standby is also showing 30% with the new OTA 2 radio.
I switched to dream kernel (have not wiped battery stats) and am now at 88% after two hours, that puts me at 6% per hour verses yesterdays 10.
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I heard if you change the render fx to n1 calibrated, then you will get like 1 hour extra of battery life. You can change the render fx by going to cyanogenmod settings.
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only works for AMOLED screens.
edit: to be clear, it only saves battery on AMOLED.
so what i have found is that after installing dream kernel and messing with the governor settings... along with being connected to wifi. my battery life has improved tremendously. i wiped battery stats this morning after a full charge and didnt notice any change.. then i flashed the kernel and messed with gov. settings... after rebooting ive noticed a huge huge difference.. just my 2 cents for anyone who had battery issues like me
Yesterday I was able to choke out 20 hours while in a 4G area the entire time.
Running RC 1.2, Imoseyon's leanKernel extreme mode (extremely undervolted and OCd to 1.4GHz) and using the InteractiveX governor.
Also, I just happened to reboot and surprisingly it only took away 1% of my battery. Amazing considering whenever I did that on a Sense ROM, I'd experience a battery loss ranging from 7%-10%.
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so what i have found is that after installing dream kernel and messing with the governor settings... along with being connected to wifi. my battery life has improved tremendously. i wiped battery stats this morning after a full charge and didnt notice any change.. then i flashed the kernel and messed with gov. settings... after rebooting ive noticed a huge huge difference.. just my 2 cents for anyone who had battery issues like me
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What settings did you land on as best?
cpu is set max to 368 mhz(very low) but i can crank it up if im doing somethign like playing games or downloading and want speed. brightness is at about 15-20 percent. the dream kernel and mr2.0 radio have made a big diff too. the dream kernel made the biggest. usually when id power off or reboot id lose 6-10 percent same as someone else i saw post. now i lose maybe 1 percent which is a huuuuge difference considering you lose 10 percent just because you reboot. also i try to stay on wifi wherever i go. on 3g i def notice it drain quicker, but i am no expert and there are a lot of people on here who by far outexperience and outknowledge me(my new 2 words) so im sure other people have some suggestions
Morkai Almandragon said:
I am loving this rom, but also having HORRID battery life, I am literally dropping 10% every 90 minutes with an extended battery.
27% Cell Standbye
26% Bluetooth
19% Display
Now I keep reading that these might be false readings, but I keep reading this as a response to those having **** for battery life... so maybe they are not false?
Anyone having good battery life show readings like this? Those with bad battery life, what are your readings?
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That is strange I am also using CM7 with an extended battery and still have 41% left after 14:56 on battery.
battery use does show
cell standby 31%
phone idle 19%
android system 19%
wifi 11%
dialer 10%
display 6%
voice calls 3%

When is battery drain significant enough to be considered defective

Since I had the phone, battery drain has been ridiculous. Around ten to fifteen percent per hour. After recently switching to humble 1.5 my drain is nearly 30% an hour. I will try to recalibrate soon but should I consider getting another battery? I was listening to mp3s and checking email during that hour and about ten minute of gps. But the drain still feels a bit excessive. What do you think?
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What kind of signal do you have? Under battery use, is there anything that's been using a disproportionate amount of battery? What do you keep on as far as services and connections, like GPS, 4G, etc?
My signal is usually fine with 4g a majority of the day. It was struggling a bit today in the underground and I had to turn off and on the data to get a solid connection a few times. I usually keep on the data and gps or bluetooth on depending on the situation. Usually just a combination of those. Data is the only one on all day. Nothing looks unusual under the battery usage except for the display using 82%, but it was like that on stick as well.
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What was your brightness set to?
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Automatic.
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My signal is usually fine with 4g a majority of the day. It was struggling a bit today in the underground and I had to turn off and on the data to get a solid connection a few times. I usually keep on the data and gps or bluetooth on depending on the situation. Usually just a combination of those. Data is the only one on all day. Nothing looks unusual under the battery usage except for the display using 82%, but it was like that on stick as well.
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Well, 4G and GPS together can use power pretty aggressively. Granted, 30% an hour seems excessive and may be caused by something else.
A couple things you could try - force 3G (you can do this manually or via a downloadable widget I believe) instead of 4G and use location services instead of GPS (unless you just need GPS). I know these aren't as "attractive", but can provide similar services with less power consumption. This will at least let you see how much consumption is due to these more power intensive services.
If you still have issues, you may have a battery problem (or may need to try reflashing a ROM, stock or otherwise).
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Well, 4G and GPS together can use power pretty aggressively. Granted, 30% an hour seems excessive and may be caused by something else.
A couple things you could try - force 3G (you can do this manually or via a downloadable widget I believe) instead of 4G and use location services instead of GPS (unless you just need GPS). I know these aren't as "attractive", but can provide similar services with less power consumption. This will at least let you see how much consumption is due to these more power intensive services.
If you still have issues, you may have a battery problem (or may need to try reflashing a ROM, stock or otherwise).
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Yeah, that's a tough swallow just for the sake of battery. I can compromise on the location service, but really want 4g since it is so widely available for me. I will attempt to recalibrate the battery and then possibly reflash if I feel it's still a problem. Is there another rom you recommend that can possibly mitigate this issue. I tried Gummycharged on my phone but it is really buggy (launcher force closes every few minutes) on my device for some reason.
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Yeah, that's a tough swallow just for the sake of battery. I can compromise on the location service, but really want 4g since it is so widely available for me. I will attempt to recalibrate the battery and then possibly reflash if I feel it's still a problem. Is there another rom you recommend that can possibly mitigate this issue. I tried Gummycharged on my phone but it is really buggy (launcher force closes every few minutes) on my device for some reason.
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Depends on if you want a Froyo or a Gingerbread ROM. I was running the Eclipse Froyo ROM with the imoseyon kernel overclocked and undervolted slightly and had excellent stability, performance, and battery life. I just switched to a GummyCharged GBE 1.9RC2.3 but haven't really decided yet if I'll stay.
Probably Froyo
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Depends on if you want a Froyo or a Gingerbread ROM. I was running the Eclipse Froyo ROM with the imoseyon kernel overclocked and undervolted slightly and had excellent stability, performance, and battery life. I just switched to a GummyCharged GBE 1.9RC2.3 but haven't really decided yet if I'll stay.
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Thought about it for a while and will be sticking with Froyo for now until Gingerbread has been officially released from Verizon. I'm hoping that will allow for most of the bugs to be reconciled. I read in various post that GB still has some issues. Stability, performance and battery life are my primary concerns.
On a side note:
Don't quite know if I am ready to start overclocking and changing voltages. Is there a recommended thread to get some basic knowledge on working with the voltages and what not. I only have experience overclocking desktops and graphics cards.
Thanks for following through with me on this as well.
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Thought about it for a while and will be sticking with Froyo for now until Gingerbread has been officially released from Verizon. I'm hoping that will allow for most of the bugs to be reconciled. I read in various post that GB still has some issues. Stability, performance and battery life are my primary concerns.
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I was right there with you, but I read that these Gingerbread leaks also allowed you to use Media Hub with HDMI out (which it does), and my credit was about to expire
braveally said:
On a side note:
Don't quite know if I am ready to start overclocking and changing voltages. Is there a recommended thread to get some basic knowledge on working with the voltages and what not. I only have experience overclocking desktops and graphics cards.
Thanks for following through with me on this as well.
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No problem, I used the clock and voltage settings in this post but only used the Temperature profile. Had no issues. I tried straying from it but started getting crashes so I went back to it. If you're looking for only battery improvements, you could skip the 1300 Mhz OC and just underclock and undervolt. That whole thread is devoted to an OC kernel though so feel free to read through and it may shed more light on it.
Hope that helps.
Awesome. Thanks
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Automatic brightness will use more battery than setting it to one brightness and manually adjusting it as needed. Automatic brightness requires activating and polling the light sensor, then increasing/decreasing the brightness. On top of that, I've found that automatic tends to keep the screen brighter than it needs to be for me in most situations.
Good point
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Automatic brightness will use more battery than setting it to one brightness and manually adjusting it as needed. Automatic brightness requires activating and polling the light sensor, then increasing/decreasing the brightness. On top of that, I've found that automatic tends to keep the screen brighter than it needs to be for me in most situations.
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I think your right. I had a similar issue with auto screen brightness with my old Touch Pro 2. I will try this among the things written earlier to see if it has any impact.
5% drain in last twenty minutes. Just Lte on and no activity but writing this post.
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20% drain per hour of screen on time is the norm for Charge. Throw in the typical idle background drain of 4% per hour, and you'll see why 3 hours of screen on time per day is the max you can get.
Now then, the drain due to active screen use is expected and can't be improved. However the idle drain is unusual and *probably* can be fixed by future Samsung firmware. (gingerbread is not fixing it yet). I'm guessing its poor idle radio management, which is why undervolting the core does nothing to help.
If the idle drain can be greatly improved, the Charge could then expect to get 4-5 hours of screen on time per day, and I'd be a happy camper.
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5% drain in last twenty minutes. Just Lte on and no activity but writing this post.
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I'm in the same boat here with Humble 1.51.
4G at 4 bars, -84dBm, surfing the net, 30% back light, no gps, no wifi, 2 gmails syncing -- 20%/hour.
Brightness is at the lowest setting for me, Twitter, Facebook, and Beautiful Widgets syncing hourly, 2 Gmail accounts with push notifications, Google Voice, and possibly a few more background apps. I'm at just over 4 hours being unplugged with 20 min. of screen on time and my battery is at 75% and was charged fully when I unplugged it. I have not had any major use as far as playing a game or major web surfing either.
I have good luck with imoseyon's lean kernel 0.13.3 and gummycharged fe. I had very poor battery life before i tried that combo.
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Go back to Stock. Completely wipe everything (including SD Card ... this is optional probably, but it's what I did. Make sure you back up on your computer). Then re-flash your rom. I had this problem after switching initially from Froyo to GB. My battery life is amazing now with the new GC GBE 2.3.
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20% drain per hour of screen on time is the norm for Charge. Throw in the typical idle background drain of 4% per hour, and you'll see why 3 hours of screen on time per day is the max you can get.
Now then, the drain due to active screen use is expected and can't be improved. However the idle drain is unusual and *probably* can be fixed by future Samsung firmware. (gingerbread is not fixing it yet). I'm guessing its poor idle radio management, which is why undervolting the core does nothing to help.
If the idle drain can be greatly improved, the Charge could then expect to get 4-5 hours of screen on time per day, and I'd be a happy camper.
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I've seen you post this on other threads, and it just proves that different users of the Charge have different experiences. I think a lot of it has to do with the network.
I have had my phone off the charger for 10.5 hours now at home, which varies between a moderate and weak signal. It is still at 81%, which means it has had a 1.8% per hour battery drain. It has been mostly idle, but I've sent a few texts and quickly browsed a website. If it was truly left alone, it would be even less than 1.8% per hour. This clearly debunks your one-size-fits-all claim of 4% idle battery drain.
As for screen on time, I've done 2 hours of screen on time during an 8 hour day and still had ~48% left. Doing the math I could get ~3.85 hours of screen on time in a 15.3 hour day. My battery drains quite evenly with no sudden drops, so this would be a fairly accurate and realistic expectation for me. If I really needed to, I should be able to get ~4.55 hours of screen on time in an 8 hour day. This is based on my high of 1.8% per hour idle drain and 18.8% per hour screen drain. Or, if I did a 10 hour day (like I do quite often), I could do ~4.35 hours of screen on time. Once again, your sweeping generalization of 3 hour max screen on time certainly doesn't apply.
I don't have any special or magical configuration either. I leave 4G on, which sometimes drops to 3G at my house since the signal is weak at times. I leave the GPS and bluetooth on at all times. I have the screen brightness set on automatic. I also have Gmail setup with one push email account and leave auto/backround-sync on at all times.
I run Imnuts' PBJ voodoo kernel with a stock deodexed EE4 system and got rid of some of VZW's bloatware. Mind you, I haven't noticed any significant difference in battery life between the fully stock stock EE4 and the current configuration.

Getting best battery per charge out of your skyrocket.

I am opening this thread to facilitate skyrocket users to share their experiences on getting most out of one charge.
I generally prefer something that shows percentage on top since the battery display does not provide detailed info.
I have tried few free aaps and finally found the best one. It is '2x battery' app. I used to loose 4 - 7% per hour in standby mode. With this app, It gives me 1-2% most in burn in hour. While writing this, I am 36% after 17 hours of regular use.
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WIZARDfan said:
I am opening this thread to facilitate skyrocket users to share their experiences on getting most out of one charge.
I generally prefer something that shows percentage on top since the battery display does not provide detailed info.
I have tried few free aaps and finally found the best one. It is '2x battery' app. I used to loose 4 - 7% per hour in standby mode. With this app, It gives me 1-2% most in burn in hour. While writing this, I am 36% after 17 hours of regular use.
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im at 11 hours and have 89% left using Juice Defender plus..
The only problem with JuiceDefender is that if you use messaging apps like Kik or WhatsApp, it will make it so that you don't receive the messages unless you have your phone active, making your phone pretty much useless.
I dont buy anything til I see proof of screen time and battery use screens.
Just got the phone yesterday, but I must say, coming from the epic 4g touch where I was getting 25 hours with 5 hours screen on time, it doesn't look promising.
But to be fair I haven't underclocked, undervolted and all the other tricks yet. Properly working sleep mode is essential.
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The only problem with JuiceDefender is that if you use messaging apps like Kik or WhatsApp, it will make it so that you don't receive the messages unless you have your phone active, making your phone pretty much useless.
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I will try the 2x battery,
I use JuiceDefenderPro; custom profile
After 7 hours on battery, I am at 90%.
light calls, 1-bar of signal on 4gLTE, apps grab data every 15 minutes.
Anyone see results w/ underclocking?
I am using Antutu's CPU Master (Free), but my results have been inconclusive (sometimes uses less, sometimes uses more.. can't tell). I am considering getting the paid version of the app (or SetCPU or Android Overclock) to try the screen off profiles.
I use set CPU to underclock when the screen is off and when battery is low. In my experiences the savings are noticeable but not major.
With set CPU, juice defender, and a de-bloated rom I usually go to bed with around 30% battery remaining. That's about on par with my nexus one running cm7.
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I haven't really had issues with the battery on my skyrocket. Then again, I'm not I'm an LTE area but you can pretty much expect bad battery life in an LTE area. Regardless, I have noticed something odd about the battery on my skyrocket, and maybe someone can confirm my observations here...my skyrocket tends to lose battery fairly constantly at first up to about the 80% mark then slows down the rate off loss of charge and I notice another huge slow down in drainage at the 30% mark. I've seen this repeatedly no matter what I do. In other words, screen on or off, I tend to see this happen. I'm not complaining as I think a 20 hour battery is great when using it heavily. And I kind of think of the slow drainage at the 30% as a nice perk. I'm running it stock so I can't chock it up to anythnng other than the phone. Any thoughts?
s3v3n777 said:
I haven't really had issues with the battery on my skyrocket. Then again, I'm not I'm an LTE area but you can pretty much expect bad battery life in an LTE area. Regardless, I have noticed something odd about the battery on my skyrocket, and maybe someone can confirm my observations here...my skyrocket tends to lose battery fairly constantly at first up to about the 80% mark then slows down the rate off loss of charge and I notice another huge slow down in drainage at the 30% mark. I've seen this repeatedly no matter what I do. In other words, screen on or off, I tend to see this happen. I'm not complaining as I think a 20 hour battery is great when using it heavily. And I kind of think of the slow drainage at the 30% as a nice perk. I'm running it stock so I can't chock it up to anythnng other than the phone. Any thoughts?
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Why does everyone say this about LTE? It is simply not true. All LTE does is give you higher bandwidth with less delay. Wan't good battery life, run a custom ROM. I am running the ICS v4.1 and I must say it is much better than anything else I have tried. I keep 4sq, FB, twitter and gmail all running in the background along with BeWeather updating every hour.
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Why does everyone say this about LTE? It is simply not true. All LTE does is give you higher bandwidth with less delay. Wan't good battery life, run a custom ROM. I am running the ICS v4.1 and I must say it is much better than anything else I have tried. I keep 4sq, FB, twitter and gmail all running in the background along with BeWeather updating every hour.
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Indeed I am on red sonja and I have no issues with battery life on this phone.
She is a sexy rom
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Why does everyone say this about LTE? It is simply not true. All LTE does is give you higher bandwidth with less delay. Wan't good battery life, run a custom ROM. I am running the ICS v4.1 and I must say it is much better than anything else I have tried. I keep 4sq, FB, twitter and gmail all running in the background along with BeWeather updating every hour.
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Everyone says that about LTE because (from what I've read) running LTE requires more power due to several reasons. I did a quick search and sprint may be a great indication of proof of the power consumption of "4g" from what I've read their phones disengage wimax when not in use in order to conserve energy. If LTE is faster and operates at higher frequencies (if I'm not mistaken) then it should require more energy. I could go outside the box and come up with some equations that relate frequency to energy (they exist) but I will admit I don't know if they can be applied to the circuitry in phones though I don't see why it wouldn't as the theory is sound. In any case, yes running a custom rom will do wonders for battery but some of us haven't taken that plunge yet. As it is, my stock skyrocket is doing great for me lasting 20 hours. Im out of the house at 6am and usually don't get home till 8 at night. It makes it through that with ease. I'm happy with that. Bring on the LTE, I'll cross that battery consumption bridge when we get there.

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