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Android Malware increases 400% in 2011..wow! incredible believe it or not!

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/11/6624172-study-android-malware-up-400-percent
Ok - Google must say something about the way they develop the Android OS, its framework in security sense!
1. there is no security at all, zero security at all
2. there is no firewall module at all
3. there is no encryption support at all (what happened if your phone or tablet lost or stolen and just a PC connection, it can be accessed everything in your device storage and system cache where your usersname, password of your email account, social network even online banking..)
I feel less less comfortable to use my tablet for other purpose except : Reading news, watching my converted movies, download some games, preschool games...
Don't LOL if your identity (ssn, banks..etc) is hijacked, you will feel the pain... and believe or not - no one will help you except to accept the fate "your credit will be going to toilet" while collections keep calling you something you never purchased..etc - at least you can call Credit Bureau to block down your profile, your bank, change your email pwd..BUT what's done has been done -
Arghhh,,,,,Windows 8 tablet soon coming out so I will have better security software such anti-virus, firewall..and Trusteer Rapport...
This news stop my desire of Asus Transformer!!!! arggggghhh!

rcjpth said:
1. there is no security at all, zero security at all
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In what regard? If you install a malicious app, the first thing the OS does is ask you permission to grant that app certain rights/privileges. If there is "no security at all" to prevent a malicious app from stealing your bank account login, it's because you told the OS that it was okay.
Plus, there are apps like Lookout that add protection.
rcjpth said:
2. there is no firewall module at all
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Oh, so you're saying things like DroidWall, AndFire, etc. don't exist?
rcjpth said:
3. there is no encryption support at all
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Engadget: Android 3.0 'Honeycomb' can encrypt all your data, needs a full hour's charge
rcjpth said:
Arghhh,,,,,Windows 8 tablet soon coming out so I will have better security software such anti-virus, firewall..and Trusteer Rapport...
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The fact that you used "Windows" and "security" in the same sentence (or anywhere near each other, actually) makes me regret typing this reply... yikes.

rcjpth said:
This news stop my desire of Asus Transformer!!!! arggggghhh!
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Good thing you shared this news with us here in the Viewsonic G Tablet > G Tablet General forum.
If you want the protection of a walled garden, the obvious choice is right there, in the fruit section. Otherwise, you'll need to be responsible for what you do here in the "it's full of sharp edges" open world.

The problem with the current Android anti virus apps is that they only scan AFTER an app is installed unlike windows which scans an app before being installed

[TIP] Does Android Really Need Antivirus ?

Does Android Really Need AntiVirus??
What good does it do?
Basically, we all know that these apps protect our phone from being infected with malicious files that we download everyday. Files from untrusted sites of course. It helps clean the phone if ever it gets infected. Question is, Is this true?
NOTE: All other sites except the playstore are classified as untrusted sites
Since Android is made out of the linux platform, it really is hard to penetrate. Studies show that linux systems are almost impenetrable to viruses or malicious files than most phones that are not based on these system. In fact based on experience, I have never heard of an Android phone being "infected" that seriously. Well, who knows.
Another factor is that, antivirus apps consume more battery life. It consumes 50% of battery life while on stand-by mode. It also makes the phone lag a bit since it is running even if you can't see it. It also lags start-up time since it takes a while to load.
Whether you decide to install or not, i'ts better safe than never... right?
I Am not in the favor of these apps. Moreover I dont use Them

Okay... So, what makes you an authority on antivirus on Android? What inside knowledge do you have that makes your opinion an actual valid one, especially when considering all the hundreds of reports of 1000's of malware apps running rampant on our "impenetrable" OS?

Like you've mentioned they are draining some serious batterylife in standby-mode but some like avast can be configured to not run till you start them. A few antivurs apps are coming with widgets, I'd highly recommend not using them because they are really slowing down the tablet and consume a huge amount of battery.
I practise the same approach with my PC, if you know what you are doing and how to do it a firewall + antivirus program may not be need but safe is safe. Android is a very open plattform so having a tool to keep the apps "honest" is not a bad thing in my opinion.

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Okay... So, what makes you an authority on antivirus on Android? What inside knowledge do you have that makes your opinion an actual valid one, especially when considering all the hundreds of reports of 1000's of malware apps running rampant on our "impenetrable" OS?
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Most of the antivirus are fake i dont knnow why they make them. Since Android is based on Linux, and Linux needs Super user Permissions to do most of the things especially when you want to harm the device ( viruses) you need to modify system (root) programs and bins/libs/modules which can only be done if you have the root permission. If you have ever used the Linux OS (like Ubuntu) you have to ask roots first before installing any s/w
eg:
Code:
sudo apt-get install
here, sudo is literally this
Code:
superuser-do

You're ignoring all the malware type apps that don't need root. All they need is novice users who aren't paying attention to the permissions list and go and install apps that aren't quite what they're pretending to be. THAT is the primary cause of infection on Android, and it IS an existing problem.

FloatingFatMan said:
You're ignoring all the malware type apps that don't need root. All they need is novice users who aren't paying attention to the permissions list and go and install apps that aren't quite what they're pretending to be. THAT is the primary cause of infection on Android, and it IS an existing problem.
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Time For some Source CODE !!
Can You get me an example of this ?? I will bring you the code asap

Why would I need to do that? Are you denying that there aren't 1000's of rogue apps out there, masquerading as legit apps, that are stuffed to the gills with malicious code?
Have you been living under a rock for the past few years? Are you still under that rock? I suggest moving out, perhaps into a cave with a view.

Calm Down Dude
Nachiket.Namjoshi said:
Does Android Really Need AntiVirus??
Whether you decide to install or not, i'ts better safe than never... right?
I Am not in the favor of these apps. Moreover I dont use Them
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Here You go !
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Why would I need to do that? Are you denying that there aren't 1000's of rogue apps out there, masquerading as legit apps, that are stuffed to the gills with malicious code?
Have you been living under a rock for the past few years? Are you still under that rock? I suggest moving out, perhaps into a cave with a view.
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Nachiket.Namjoshi said:
Here You go !
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You forget that most phone users are novices, and don't have a damned clue what they're doing when installing apps. I'm a professional developer by trade (not on Android), and if there's one thing I know very well, users do not read popup dialogs, ever. They just click the button to make it go away so they can get on with what they're doing.
You cannot use people on XDA as an example of what users are like. Most of us here actually have some tech savvy and know what we're doing, but we're less than 1% of the userbase.
Which makes antivirus apps, resource hogs that they are, pretty critical for the average user; to protect them from their own stupidity. Advising people NOT to use them is rather irresponsible of you, especially as you are NOT a security expert.

FloatingFatMan said:
You forget that most phone users are novices, and don't have a damned clue what they're doing when installing apps. I'm a professional developer by trade (not on Android), and if there's one thing I know very well, users do not read popup dialogs, ever. They just click the button to make it go away so they can get on with what they're doing.
You cannot use people on XDA as an example of what users are like. Most of us here actually have some tech savvy and know what we're doing, but we're less than 1% of the userbase.
Which makes antivirus apps, resource hogs that they are, pretty critical for the average user; to protect them from their own stupidity. Advising people NOT to use them is rather irresponsible of you, especially as you are NOT a security expert.
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Exactly. That is why I'm posting this here instead of a blog!! :')
Chillax buddy. Btw pdroid is better than antivirus apps bröder. I too am an app dev!
Sent from my GT-S5360 using xda app-developers app

I agree sir. this is true that some apps do such notorious things. but as a member of xda I am very care full about the permissions.

SHORTER
shorter: all files from internet cannot normaly harm your phone but if you download apk and instal it you can have problems (depends on app permisions) BUT it cannot totaly destroy your phone without SU permision (superuser)
normal files like mp3 mp4 cannot do anything
SORRY FOR MY ENGLISH and hit thanks if helped

FloatingFatMan said:
Why would I need to do that? Are you denying that there aren't 1000's of rogue apps out there, masquerading as legit apps, that are stuffed to the gills with malicious code?
Have you been living under a rock for the past few years? Are you still under that rock? I suggest moving out, perhaps into a cave with a view.
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This is exactly what happens. This thread is really pointless. I can copy your whole data while you are busy making threads like these or block access to any of your apps while I'm running. Antivirus is not just something which protects you against so called viruses but also malicious apps.

I agree, though AV's like avast and dr.web which are considered "light" still consumes a lot from my phone. I have observed that lately even though I have deep sleep app on my phone , I whitelisted the AV's it tooks at around 30-50% of my battery. I don't want to automatically kill the AV because it will become useless if it doesn't run on background. so I decided to just uninstall it and get my apk downloads from PC so that avast and malwarebytes on pc will be the ones that will scan my apks.

Avast or not Avast that is the question?

Hi All, Just a quickish query & any responses are appreciated. I recently moved from One M8 to Pixel XL & use Avast. My query is do I need Avast on new device ... I dont view 'adult' stuff, nor install 3rd party apps, Chrome set to protect from dangerous sites, Twitter app set to use Chrome not built in browser, I view XDA & AA on Twitter so will click links on any news that interests me, delete any email i receive in Inbox by Gmail which looks strange, Onefootball app I use and sometimes will click links to any site that a story is contained in, I do use Avast on laptop when transferring anything audio to phone prior to transfer & finally I do have my banking app on phone. Basically with this behaviour do I need Avast or can I ditch it?
Thanks in advance

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Hi All, Just a quickish query & any responses are appreciated. I recently moved from One M8 to Pixel XL & use Avast. My query is do I need Avast on new device ... I dont view 'adult' stuff, nor install 3rd party apps, Chrome set to protect from dangerous sites, Twitter app set to use Chrome not built in browser, I view XDA & AA on Twitter so will click links on any news that interests me, delete any email i receive in Inbox by Gmail which looks strange, Onefootball app I use and sometimes will click links to any site that a story is contained in, I do use Avast on laptop when transferring anything audio to phone prior to transfer & finally I do have my banking app on phone. Basically with this behaviour do I need Avast or can I ditch it?
Thanks in advance
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IMO the only use case would be using Avast to detect mitm attacks on public WiFi, but it is not even close to reliable...
You should use a VPN on public WiFi's so you don't have to care about anyone sniffing/modifying traffic.
All in all I would see no point in using avast, since Antivirus systems under android are completely powerless when it comes to any attack that uses an exploit that doesn't need any user interaction (e.g Stagefright).

NeoChontrix said:
IMO the only use case would be using Avast to detect mitm attacks on public WiFi, but it is not even close to reliable...
You should use a VPN on public WiFi's so you don't have to care about anyone sniffing/modifying traffic.
All in all I would see no point in using avast, since Antivirus systems under android are completely powerless when it comes to any attack that uses an exploit that doesn't need any user interaction (e.g Stagefright).
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Ah, Thanks for the reply, I don't use Public WiFi as usually dead slow let alone secure, I have MMS not set to download automatically & I do let use WhatsApp for example so I should be good to ditch? My main concern was due to mobile banking but it's via app and not browser so would presume safe?

PaulMr.T said:
Ah, Thanks for the reply, I don't use Public WiFi as usually dead slow let alone secure, I have MMS not set to download automatically & I do let use WhatsApp for example so I should be good to ditch? My main concern was due to mobile banking but it's via app and not browser so would presume safe?
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Do not use WhatsApp I meant, for example.

NeoChontrix said:
IMO the only use case would be using Avast to detect mitm attacks on public WiFi, but it is not even close to reliable...
You should use a VPN on public WiFi's so you don't have to care about anyone sniffing/modifying traffic.
All in all I would see no point in using avast, since Antivirus systems under android are completely powerless when it comes to any attack that uses an exploit that doesn't need any user interaction (e.g Stagefright).
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Anyone else have info to add, it seems I could lose Avast and stay pretty safe?

PaulMr.T said:
Anyone else have info to add, it seems I could lose Avast and stay pretty safe?
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it's true their antivirus is limited as only scans user apps which should normally be safe anyhow thanks to Google scanning them, though there may be times when Avast beats Google to identifying a vulnerably. But they also offer web shield, that might save you one day (depending on he browser you use). So for me I will always run something like Avast. I know some will take the piss out of me ...... but that don't brother me!

IronRoo said:
it's true their antivirus is limited as only scans user apps which should normally be safe anyhow thanks to Google scanning them, though there may be times when Avast beats Google to identifying a vulnerably. But they also offer web shield, that might save you one day (depending on he browser you use). So for me I will always run something like Avast. I know some will take the piss out of me ...... but that don't brother me!
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"thanks to google scanning them"???? google is a virus. just my ¢.02.
err on the side of kindness

mrrocketdog said:
"thanks to google scanning them"???? google is a virus. just my ¢.02.
err on the side of kindness
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more like a parasite!!! Ha ha!

PaulMr.T said:
Hi All, Just a quickish query & any responses are appreciated. I recently moved from One M8 to Pixel XL & use Avast. My query is do I need Avast on new device ... I dont view 'adult' stuff, nor install 3rd party apps, Chrome set to protect from dangerous sites, Twitter app set to use Chrome not built in browser, I view XDA & AA on Twitter so will click links on any news that interests me, delete any email i receive in Inbox by Gmail which looks strange, Onefootball app I use and sometimes will click links to any site that a story is contained in, I do use Avast on laptop when transferring anything audio to phone prior to transfer & finally I do have my banking app on phone. Basically with this behaviour do I need Avast or can I ditch it?
Thanks in advance
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if you want security on public wifi get ArpGuard from play store , i use it .

I use avast since 2013 and I don't have any regrets. Also I use vpn network to protect my security

Things like that are like door locks. They keep the honest people honest but other then that they dont do much really.

zelendel said:
Things like that are like door locks. They keep the honest people honest but other then that they dont do much really.
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The honest may stay honest.
But the criminal may seek a challenge in which case I always try to seem as defenseless as possible and it has been years since I can even remember using AV protection on Windows for anything lol.
To the OP
95% of how well your defense is against an attack is all about common sense before anything then probably the last 5% would be how much take you prefer to have on the software end....
Firewalls and VPN/anononimity software is probably the best way to steer clear from anything landing its way onto your devices that you do not want there!

@kushfighter2
What is the goal of ArpGuard ?
Could you please explain it and give us concret examples based on your experience of this application ?
Thanks in advance.

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@kushfighter2
What is the goal of ArpGuard ?
Could you please explain it and give us concret examples based on your experience of this application ?
Thanks in advance.
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Basically it combines a simple basic app that monitors your ARP table against attack.
When it is set to non root ,it simply disconnects the Wi-Fi and informs you about the attackers IP address.
The main reason I use it is because, unlike other apps which simply close the Wi-Fi connection, it has a pro feature at an acceptable price that prevents attacks like those from harming your device
It has 3 modes, non root, recovery and invulnerability
I have explained non root
Recovery informs you and blocks the attacks
Without cutting the Wi-Fi
Invulnerability does not even suffer attacks.
I suggest you try it.
But remember, if a person is using a spoof before you connected to the Wi-Fi, you cannkt detect it.
Here's the link
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.myprog.arpguard

For home use - free Avast. For corporate use a paid antivirus.

Security updates on older phones

My wife and I have have an s8 and a Note 8. We love our phones, and we don't really like the new phones. However, Samsung has decided to end security updates this year on these models.
Are there other alternative ways to get security updates, so our data is not at risk?

If you're running on Pie I wouldn't worry.
My Note 10+ has had any updates in over a year.
No issues. I've run outdated Androids for years with no malware forced reloads.
React quickly though to any suspected malware; if you can't delete it, factory reset.
Be ready to reload at anytime as you should be anyway. Keep at least 2 redundant copies of all critical data on at least 2 hdds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other.
Most malware infections are the result of the user doing something they shouldn't do.
Just watch what you download (check the download folder regularly), be careful what you install, and use a cloud app like gmail for email.
Keep trash apps like FB, WhatsApp etc off the phone. Use Brave browser and install Karma Firewall (freeware with almost no battery usage).
I avoid using wifi always. There's also a long standing bluetooth hacking vulnerability in pre Q OSs... be aware of that.
Pre Pie OS's are suspectable to rootkits that require a reflash to exterminate.
Scan with Malwarebytes every week or so; it picked off 2 nasty trojan preloaders for me before they could be activated about a year ago.
Use online Virustotal to scan any apk or file you're not sure about.

blackhawk said:
If you're running on Pie I wouldn't worry.
My Note 10+ has had any updates in over a year.
No issues. I've run outdated Androids for years with no malware forced reloads.
React quickly though to any suspected malware; if you can't delete it, factory reset.
Be ready to reload at anytime as you should be anyway. Keep at least 2 redundant copies of all critical data on at least 2 hdds that are physically and electronically isolated from each other.
Most malware infections are the result of the user doing something they shouldn't do.
Just watch what you download (check the download folder regularly), be careful what you install, and use a cloud app like gmail for email.
Keep trash apps like FB, WhatsApp etc off the phone. Use Brave browser and install Karma Firewall (freeware with almost no battery usage).
I avoid using wifi always. There's also a long standing bluetooth hacking vulnerability in pre Q OSs... be aware of that.
Pre Pie OS's are suspectable to rootkits that require a reflash to exterminate.
Scan with Malwarebytes every week or so; it picked off 2 nasty trojan preloaders for me before they could be activated about a year ago.
Use online Virustotal to scan any apk or file you're not sure about.
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So, you must have a wife who understands that. Trying to tell my wife not to click something because it is probably a virus is like telling a 3 year old they can't have the adult red juice.
Basically, what this is though, is confirming that at min. We need a phone for the wife, for the aforementioned reasons.

JackWorthing said:
So, you must have a wife who understands that. Trying to tell my wife not to click something because it is probably a virus is like telling a 3 year old they can't have the adult red juice.
Basically, what this is though, is confirming that at min. We need a phone for the wife, for the aforementioned reasons.
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I was fortunate and didn't marry or unfortunate
She doing what old people do... threatened her with an iphone
That trojan preloader was a tricky little devil and manage to download it's self without a download notification. You really need to be alert.
Teach her to close that browser page rather than click the mystery box. Occasionally I even close the browser and clear the cache if it's really invasive. Rarely anything more than that; it doesn't seem to happen on Brave, more on the Samsung browser on iffy sites. If I can learn to navigate in the gutter, she can too.
You can do is look at her phone at the end of the day. Maybe get the paid version of Malwarebytes. Unfortunately it won't stop everything.
I have no recommendations as I think Android is in a flat spin, Android 11 is just wretched. Even if you get a phone running on 10 it will soon be updated to 11... unless you disable updates.
10 would be more secure but overlay apps don't run on it and it guts Karma Firewall.

JackWorthing said:
So, you must have a wife who understands that. Trying to tell my wife not to click something because it is probably a virus is like telling a 3 year old they can't have the adult red juice.
Basically, what this is though, is confirming that at min. We need a phone for the wife, for the aforementioned reasons.
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Download this app and tell her to scan your device regularly with this antivirus. It's the best one I found on playstore. It also scans for any harmful files : https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BMA16BAgfEAE&usg=AOvVaw2ovEreBbhkoaiQCAgeyV81
And you too do the scams !!!!!

Arc android said:
Download this app and tell her to scan your device regularly with this antivirus. It's the best one I found on playstore. It also scans for any harmful files : https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.protectstar.antispy&hl=en_US&gl=US&referrer=utm_source%3Dgoogle%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_term%3Dprotectstar&pcampaignid=APPU_1_OxGrYNnyOsfd9QOVxI-IBw&ved=2ahUKEwiZ_OS9pOHwAhXHbn0KHRXiA3EQ8oQBMA16BAgfEAE&usg=AOvVaw2ovEreBbhkoaiQCAgeyV81
And you too do the scams !!!!!
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There will always be new threats without definitions. It may help but the phone's user is the #1 security threat.
I don't even let Malwarebytes run in the background because all those apps eat battery with little to show for it. Android is relatively secure, even outdated versions unless you do...

blackhawk said:
There will always be new threats without definitions. It may help but the phone's user is the #1 security threat.
I don't even let Malwarebytes run in the background because all those apps eat battery with little to show for it. Android is relatively secure, even outdated versions unless you do...
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Yeah you are right actually.

Question PixelFlasher concern

I was unable to download PixelFlasher, V4.8.1.0 from https://github.com/badabing2005/PixelFlasher/releases, to my PC because Avast AV detected an issue. So, I remote logged into a Linux system, used wget to get the file, then transferred it to my computer. Again, Avast complained about a virus and quarantined the file.
I recovered the file from quarantine and uploaded it to www.virustotal.com so it could be checked out. This site reported the following:
Acronis (Static ML):: Suspicious
Avast:: Win64:Trojan-gen
AVG:: Win64:Trojan-gen
Jiangmin:: Trojan.Generic.horqm
McAfee-GW-Edition:: Artemis
I have never before had any issues downloading files from github. So, should I be concerned or not?

Technically anything that does anything to a device is considered *malware* by AV software nowadays... If you really have concerns over it, you can:
Check the source code yourself on GitHub, if you have the know-how
Don't use it. Pixel Factory images provided a flashall.bat or a Linux/Mac exec by default, you just need to modify a few lines to make it works, which is what I've been doing this whole time:
Open the flash-all.bat with a code editor, I'm using NP++
Find the line that says:
Code:
Fastboot update -w xxxx.zip
And change it to
Code:
Fastboot update xxxx.zip --skip-reboot

You can ask @badabing2003 himself as he created the program why specifically those would be flagged and I'm sure he can offer more insight. But I've been using it for months and it's solid. I will also say even when I used to use the flash all manually back in the day those would get flagged by safe screen also. So it's a lot of false positives when it comes to those kind of batch commands.

TBH, Avast is not even necessary, not to mention, it's just not good AV, in MY opinion.

You can read up here
I'm not going to play with Avast or any other AV on every release.
It's an open source project, you can scrutinize it and decide if it is a risk you're willing to take trusting the code instead of Avast.
There was a time when consumer AV was needed.
Now you're better of without 3rd party AV.

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You can read up here
I'm not going to play with Avast or any other AV on every release.
It's an open source project, you can scrutinize it and decide if it is a risk you're willing to take trusting the code instead of Avast.
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Bottom line is, tons of people - most of who are very tech savvy - are using PF every month without issues and we would know if there was a problem

I don't question PF, it is the AV system on my computer that is causing the issue. Did some reading and AV is still needed, but they can be a major pain...

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I don't question PF, it is the AV system on my computer that is causing the issue. Did some reading and AV is still needed, but they can be a major pain...
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Windows Security is more than efficient now to protect from bad stuff. All the 3rd party stuff is mostly bloatware now

groston said:
I don't question PF, it is the AV system on my computer that is causing the issue. Did some reading and AV is still needed, but they can be a major pain...
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Not to sidetrack but I've run nothing but Windows Defender and Malwarebytes on my Windows machine for over 10 years, no problems. And trust me, I've been done it all on there.

groston said:
I don't question PF, it is the AV system on my computer that is causing the issue. Did some reading and AV is still needed, but they can be a major pain...
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If you must use an AV as "AV is still needed", every AV I've worked with/on was able to whitelist a folder and/or program or, even, you can disable it while you would install and/or run PF...right?
So there shouldn't be any reason why you couldn't run the latest version and run it proper...
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Not to sidetrack but I've run nothing but Windows Defender and Malwarebytes on my Windows machine for over 10 years, no problems. And trust me, I've been done it all on there.
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I agree with this and have employed similar. Actually, years ago, I would go about it a lot more aggressive and paranoid and would run Defender, Malwarebytes, Superantispyware, and Comodo firewall concurrently! It did wreak havoc on my cpu usage sometimes, but then again I dealt with a lot of custom programs and patches/cracks/packages and such.
If I felt (relatively) confident and secure about it, I would have to disable all 4 if need be to work on certain things.
So I'm sure OP can do it with the AV that's being utilized...

simplepinoi177 said:
If you must use an AV as "AV is still needed", every AV I've worked with/on was able to whitelist a folder and/or program or, even, you can disable it while you would install and/or run PF...right?
So there shouldn't be any reason why you couldn't run the latest version and run it proper...
I agree with this and have employed similar. Actually, years ago, I would go about it a lot more aggressive and paranoid and would run Defender, Malwarebytes, Superantispyware, and Comodo firewall concurrently! It did wreak havoc on my cpu usage sometimes, but then again I dealt with a lot of custom programs and patches/cracks/packages and such.
If I felt (relatively) confident and secure about it, I would have to disable all 4 if need be to work on certain things.
So I'm sure OP can do it with the AV that's being utilized...
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Wow! Superantispyware. I forgot all about that one!

HipKat said:
Wow! Superantispyware. I forgot all about that one!
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I hate to go OT a bit here, but...
Yeah, back then, those 3 were the best (possibly only) real-time protection happening as well as the foremost ones you should/would use when cleaning a PC of any malware; hence the heavy load on CPU usage at times.
In any case, if I could temporarily disable/turn-off all 4 of these so I could run a "rogue" program, it shouldn't be too difficult to do it with a current AV -- even if my examples are rather out-dated...
If anything, all of those AVs had the option/ability to "submit" a program to be reviewed by the company to whitelist and/or scrutinize so it wouldn't pop up as a false-positive in the next version/update....

simplepinoi177 said:
I hate to go OT a bit here, but...
Yeah, back then, those 3 were the best (possibly only) real-time protection happening as well as the foremost ones you should/would use when cleaning a PC of any malware; hence the heavy load on CPU usage at times.
In any case, if I could temporarily disable/turn-off all 4 of these so I could run a "rogue" program, it shouldn't be too difficult to do it with a current AV -- even if my examples are rather out-dated...
If anything, all of those AVs had the option/ability to "submit" a program to be reviewed by the company to whitelist and/or scrutinize so it wouldn't pop up as a false-positive in the next version/update....
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SAS was the best portable scanner you could run. It was really, the first one I ever ran as a portable. Thanks for that memory!

Hands and head are the best Antivirus

D3NMOH said:
Hands and head are the best Antivirus
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true enough... "don't install stupid stuff" is probably the best way to go about it...I can attest to (because, unfortunately, I've done the opposite on purpose more than enough times and have paid for it in one way or another)...
But PF has 100s (maybe 1000s) of users and is actively discussed and developed here on XDA from a RD...it's definitive that it is safe and is coming up as false-positives to any/all AVs...

PF manages ADB, Fastboot and reads output data from them.
When one application interferes with another, antivirus always says it's dangerous. It is high time we understood this logic

D3NMOH said:
PF manages ADB, Fastboot and reads output data from them.
When one application interferes with another, antivirus always says it's dangerous. It is high time we understood this logic
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False positive.

K1nsey6 said:
Windows Security is more than efficient now to protect from bad stuff. All the 3rd party stuff is mostly bloatware now
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Apart from ransomware...It's not quiet decent in that department.