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Sorry to beat a dead horse, bout to go insane

Ok, so i have had a samsung captivate since last summer. I just did the official froyo update the other day and it was successful with kies mini. I then decided to root it using super1click which also worked successfully. I have superuser, titanium backup with busybox installed, and super manager and terminal emulator. I also successfully got clockworkmod flashed and working.
My problem is that ive got the new cognition rom on my internal sd card, but when i try to flash it with cwm, i get the 3e recovery failure message. Ive been reading various sites today on how to fix this problem, but every site seems to tell me something different. I ask this question here, because it seems to be the most knowledgeable site to go to.
How do i get my rooted captivate, with all the above installed and running, to allow me to flash a new rom and possible a new kernal down the road? Im about to go insane trying to decipher through all the info all the different sites have said. Sorry to write such a novel on a tired subject, but im going crazy. Any help will be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks.

trontheman said:
Ok, so i have had a samsung captivate since last summer. I just did the official froyo update the other day and it was successful with kies mini. I then decided to root it using super1click which also worked successfully. I have superuser, titanium backup with busybox installed, and super manager and terminal emulator. I also successfully got clockworkmod flashed and working.
My problem is that ive got the new cognition rom on my internal sd card, but when i try to flash it with cwm, i get the 3e recovery failure message. Ive been reading various sites today on how to fix this problem, but every site seems to tell me something different. I ask this question here, because it seems to be the most knowledgeable site to go to.
How do i get my rooted captivate, with all the above installed and running, to allow me to flash a new rom and possible a new kernal down the road? Im about to go insane trying to decipher through all the info all the different sites have said. Sorry to write such a novel on a tired subject, but im going crazy. Any help will be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks.
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If you would have done a search here then you would have found that you need to do one of 2 things.
1. Flash back to 2.1
2. Replace the 3e recovery with one that doesnt check for the sig.

I dont know how to replace the 3e recovery. I think ill go with flashing back to 2.1. Once i dl Odin and flash back to 2.1, then i can flash a new rom or a new kernel? Will it undo everything i've done so far? Thanks for the help.

trontheman said:
I dont know how to replace the 3e recovery. I think ill go with flashing back to 2.1. Once i dl Odin and flash back to 2.1, then i can flash a new rom or a new kernel? Will it undo everything i've done so far? Thanks for the help.
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Here is a link to the replacement recovery.
Make sure you have the right odin and that your 3 button works right.
Yesh doing this will wipe out everything. Make sure to back up. Do not back up system data at all as when you restore it, it can lead to major issues. Once done with a custom rom it will be wiped clean. You will have to redo contacts, email, and all other settings

Thanks. Would it be okay to just flash a new kernel like speedmod kernal and just use the stock rom? Is that possible to do while im on rooted 2.2? I like the rom just fine, i just want it faster mainly. Thanks again.

trontheman said:
Thanks. Would it be okay to just flash a new kernel like speedmod kernal and just use the stock rom? Is that possible to do while im on rooted 2.2? I like the rom just fine, i just want it faster mainly. Thanks again.
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To be honest I am not sure. I only had the stock on for a few hours as it was just not that great compared to the 2.2.1 rom that I have been used to running. I need BT voice dial and the added exchange options so 2.2 was not really for me. If you want a stock feel but faster then I would go with COG or one of the other roms based on the kb1 rom.

So I've come to the conclusion that I should just flash back to 2.1 and go from there. I have odin downloaded, but I'm not certain how to use it. Do you guys think I should flash a custom rom from stock, or just flash a kernel with lag fix and delete the bloatware? Thanks.

first flash 2.1 stock to get rid of the damn 3e. custom roms dont replace that always. also most custom roms dont flash with odin.
get a stock rom. read the instructions, flash

trontheman said:
So I've come to the conclusion that I should just flash back to 2.1 and go from there. I have odin downloaded, but I'm not certain how to use it. Do you guys think I should flash a custom rom from stock, or just flash a kernel with lag fix and delete the bloatware? Thanks.
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If you are getting .zip signature errors when trying to flash a rom (because you are using 3e recovery) you will not be able to flash a kernel.
Supercurio did make a KB1 kernel that is installable via Odin. If you install that, you will also get CWM recovery. Then you can flash anything you want.
Either way you will need an Odin program. Either Odin One Click to flash back to stock 2.1 or Odin v1.7 to flash the Supercurio KB1 Kernel .tar file.

trontheman said:
Thanks. Would it be okay to just flash a new kernel like speedmod kernal and just use the stock rom? Is that possible to do while im on rooted 2.2? I like the rom just fine, i just want it faster mainly. Thanks again.
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Correct me if i'm wrong but I think the speedmod kernal is i9000 based which would cause a major headache/bootloop on the stock rom.
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Johnnie5000 said:
Correct me if i'm wrong but I think the speedmod kernal is i9000 based which would cause a major headache/bootloop on the stock rom.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897 using XDA App
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....it works fine on stock 2.2, as does any other 2.2/2.2.1 kernel

Pirateghost said:
....it works fine on stock 2.2, as does any other 2.2/2.2.1 kernel
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The problem is, the OP has no idea what he's doing. It sounds like he's wanting to flash to 2.1, then add a I9000 kernel. Since he's all over the place, it's hard to decipher what he's thinking.
To the OP. I'd HIGHLY suggest you look for the stickied "how to" video's by Connexxion. They will tell you what you need to do and show you EXACTLY how to do it. Invaluable info for the noobs.

Here is the link your looking for, download the installer zip file at the bottom of the first post. Extract to your fancy, use the install.bat file once extracted. Be sure to have the phone connect to the pc (DO NOT MOUNT) and have USB Debugging on.
Modded 3e recovery that works like 2e
trontheman said:
Ok, so i have had a samsung captivate since last summer. I just did the official froyo update the other day and it was successful with kies mini. I then decided to root it using super1click which also worked successfully. I have superuser, titanium backup with busybox installed, and super manager and terminal emulator. I also successfully got clockworkmod flashed and working.
My problem is that ive got the new cognition rom on my internal sd card, but when i try to flash it with cwm, i get the 3e recovery failure message. Ive been reading various sites today on how to fix this problem, but every site seems to tell me something different. I ask this question here, because it seems to be the most knowledgeable site to go to.
How do i get my rooted captivate, with all the above installed and running, to allow me to flash a new rom and possible a new kernal down the road? Im about to go insane trying to decipher through all the info all the different sites have said. Sorry to write such a novel on a tired subject, but im going crazy. Any help will be GREATLY appreciated. Thanks.
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I am wanting to flash back to 2.1 and go from there. I have the drivers installed and I have odin downloaded. I tried it last night, but I couldn't get it to work. I got it to download mode, but still nothing. What could the problem be? Thanks.

I tried odin one click again today, but still nothing. All i want to do is flash back to 2.1, root, then flash a rom or custom kernel. Im losing my mind, any more help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Bump. Thanks.

trontheman said:
I tried odin one click again today, but still nothing. All i want to do is flash back to 2.1, root, then flash a rom or custom kernel. Im losing my mind, any more help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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ok no need to flash 2.1
get neldars kernel flashing app from the market
get a kernel for froyo without 3e recovery in the dev section. this one is great
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=547852&d=1300708475
use neldars app (edit) "sgs kernel flasher" or something to that effect. to flash this kernel
then flash cognition
you can also use odin3 but not the oneclick downloader without the .pit file and flash the same kernel placed in the pda slot.

when you installed keis mini, it installed new WRONG drivers (for odin)
reinstall the original other drivers.
BUT. in your OP all you wanted was to be able to flash COG or something.
ALL you have to do is fix your 3e recovery, SEVERAL people including myself have told you how to fix it. then CWM will work! you dont need a computer to fix 3e if you have root explorer (google it $) .
if you are going to flash a custom rom anyway dont bother going back to 2.1.
if you are going to stay stock, 2.2 is better anyway. (aside from 3e but staying stock dont matter)
you can also use odin3 but not the oneclick downloader without the .pit file and the same kernel placed in the pda slot.
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@ dani - dude read the thread. odin doesn't recognize his phone.!! try to catch up before butting in...

well that doesn't make my whole post irrelivent. if he is rooted and has busy box he can use neldars kernel flasher. sorry if i over looked something.

Ok, well i got the aio toolbox, and i flashed back to stock. Now im running 2.1-update1. How do i go about rooting now? I cant seem to find a root file. Thanks.

Voodoo Lagfix/GummyCharge combo?

I want to root/ROM gummycharge/voodoo lagfix with odin. I have been reading but I am still unsure how to do both. Is there a link that explains how to do both either at the same time or one after another. Should I do the ROM first or the Voodoo. I am still somewhat unsure of the 3rd Step in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1122657. Does this mean that I should download http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1131710 even though I dont see a download. Will that link have the voodoo/up to date gummy?
I know I got more research to do but you were all noobs at once to
EDIT:whats the difference between gummycharge and a cwm.
And why in http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1107797 does it have a place to download ROMS and Kernals as separate. Is the kernals just the combo?
Thanks and sorry for these basic probably dumb questions but this thing was expensive

GummyCharged is a ROM. it is basically the system files for your phone that have been tweaked to the rom makers liking and repackaged for us to use.
Clockworkmod is an alternate recovery, that allows you to manage those system files, along with your data partition and cache. it allows you to install those unsigned packages containing custom system and boot partitions over your existing stock ones. your phones stock recovery wont install anything but a signed package (official from manufacturer) called update.zip.
a kernel can be installed over a rom, giving you features like changing the filesystem to ext4 from rfs (the latter being samsungs favorite for some ungodly reason) it can change voltage settings on the cpu, tweak video, give you root access, and numerous other things. the only limit is a touchwiz based (samsung) kernel cant be used on an aosp (pure google) rom, and vice versa... and they also cant be used across different software versions. (no froyo kernel on gingerbread roms)
to summarize, you can have CWM installed with GummyCharged, and run a voodoo kernel all at once. its actually a very potent package, as i am running GC 1.8.5, the latest CWM, and using the PBJ OC kernel with voodoo lagfix. my phone is incredible. running at 1.3ghz and not a single hiccup.
my understanding of the concept, YMMV, and devs feel free to correct or elaborate.

Gummy charged is a Rom(operating system for your phone) and CWM recovery replaces your stock recovery system. The charge is the first Samsung android phone that I've had and the rooting process is a lot simpler that other phones, I'll explain what I mean and this should answer your question about what step to do first.
With odin you can flash a full Rom to replace your stock operating system. You could do it in all the different steps that you have links to (which won't hurt later on to understand all the different steps), but you can also flash a Rom that is already rooted, includes a custom kernel with voodoo lagfix, and CWM recovery.
So pretty much all you need to do is dowload the odin software and flash a .tar file and you will have a rooted phone with CMR.
This post is the one I followed to learn odin and unzipping a tar file
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1096657
Once you download odin this is the Rom I'm currently running and It has awesome battery life and fast.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1146103
That Rom will boot you into the CWM recovery menu on the first reboot. Follow the instructions in the OP and you'll be good. Good luck and let me know how it goes and if you need any help.

Thanks guys, I ended up doing CWM recovery with odin, then did pbj oc and gummycharge 1.8.5 rom. Now my question is, is voodoo lagfix on in my phone, I see a folder for it but I dont know how to do it. Another question I have is are you able to change roms easily? Do i just DL it and put it on the SD card like the rom and go into recovery and do the same installation or do i gotta wipe this rom?

Go into the voodoo folder, select enable lagfix and system lagfix on.
Reboot and you should hear a voice enabling it. Once she finishes and reboots, youre good to go.
If the Roms are in the zip format you can just download them to your sd card and flash thru recovery. Unless its an update to the current rom you are in, you have to wipe data ,cache and dalvik cache. If you don't there will be stuff from the previous rom that will not play nice.
Titanium backup is a good way to backup your apps to restore them after you flash.
Just a note of warning for some reason the backup and restore function of recovery doesn't work on the Charge. Don't use it in Rom manager if you use that app.
Quick boot is a good app to boot into recovery.
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I am going into file manager > Voodoo> then I dont know, i dont see anything that says enable.
Also wondering if I can download a theme to it because I am not a huge fan of the gummycharge green Thanks
EDIT: this is what I put on hoping its voodoo lagfix http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1126136. Not even sure if i have it but it does say voodoo lagfix enabled. How do u know if its enabled. THanks

Not file manager. You need to boot into recovery. Then look for voodoo and choose enable lagfix and system lagfix.
If you have gummy charged you should be able to hold down the power button, then choose recovery.
You will then see the recovery menu select voodoo (navigate with the volume rockers and make selection with the power button)
Inside the voodoo menu choose enable lagfix and system lagfix on, then choose "go back" until you see the reboot system option. Select this and then you should hear a female voice telling you whats going on. Be patient it takes a little while.

awsome, thanks man

Hi, I followed the directions here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14692818#post14692818 to flash my phone with Odin using the PBJ Kernal (with lagfix) and the Gummycharged 1.8.5 rom. Everything worked fine and I heard the woman's voice speaking the progress. I was not sure if the lagfix took, and eventually found this post on how to check it. I saw in CWM it says that it is not enabled and whenever I choose the option to enable or turn it on, nothing happens and CWM continues to say it is disabled. Just need to know how to proceed and if I am missing anything. I came over from stock.
Also while I am at it, I am getting a lot of errors about the android core (*.*.acore) having to close and similar errors with skype. Any insight into this? My programs showed back up (I guess cause they were on the sdcard) but I don't remember using any backup functions in the phone besides Google's built in for each account. Any insight would be appreciated!
Update: I just ran a Quadrant and got a score of 1507. Seems like a score you would get if lagfix is enabled. But everything else is still the same.

[Q] Pre-rooting procedure?

I'm running stock EE4 but I'm getting ready to root and install one of the debloated ROMs. Currently I have a lot of apps, home screens and ADW Launcher set to my satisfaction and settings tweaked how I like them.
What are "best practices" for pre-rooting backup so all of these are retrievable? I've used Titanium Pro on my tablet so I'm conversant with that process but don't I have to be rooted first? Should I root the phone, install TP, back-up and THEN flash the ROM? Are there alternatives?
Thanks, I await advice.

adw settings you can backup by going to adw settings and doing a backup. Not sure if there is an unrooted version of titanium. Bad part is. You cannot just root if you are EE4 already. 1click and Gingerbreak do not work on EE4. You have to Odin flash a rooted rom. Sorry. Know thats not what you wanted to hear.

dragonstalker said:
adw settings you can backup by going to adw settings and doing a backup. Not sure if there is an unrooted version of titanium. Bad part is. You cannot just root if you are EE4 already. 1click and Gingerbreak do not work on EE4. You have to Odin flash a rooted rom. Sorry. Know thats not what you wanted to hear.
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Not true. You simply need to use Odin to flash a new kernel which is rooted (pbj by immuts for example). Once you've done this you'll also get CWM. You need to find an Odin package that only contains the kernel.
Once you've done that, with root you can use TiBackup like you've done before and then flash your ROM.

Thanks, fellas. If you're monitoring this thread, would you mind having a look over here?

keithce said:
Not true. You simply need to use Odin to flash a new kernel which is rooted (pbj by immuts for example). Once you've done this you'll also get CWM. You need to find an Odin package that only contains the kernel.
Once you've done that, with root you can use TiBackup like you've done before and then flash your ROM.
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OK SO, ROOTED means that the ROM has SU capability which is given to it by superuser app. Which allows you to have admin capabilities to change permissions to your filesystem.
The kernel allows you to overclock and undervolt your system while giving access to other HARDWARE specific functions.
Now please explain to me how a KERNEL can give you SuperUser permission to the filesystem if the KERNEL is a bridge between the Hardware and Software. Not saying your wrong, I just don't see how a Kernel can give you root access.

dragonstalker said:
OK SO, ROOTED means that the ROM has SU capability which is given to it by superuser app. Which allows you to have admin capabilities to change permissions to your filesystem.
The kernel allows you to overclock and undervolt your system while giving access to other HARDWARE specific functions.
Now please explain to me how a KERNEL can give you SuperUser permission to the filesystem if the KERNEL is a bridge between the Hardware and Software. Not saying your wrong, I just don't see how a Kernel can give you root access.
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Indeed, strictly technically speaking you are correct. However after the radio on the charge got updated to EE4 the usual 'back doors' or exploits to get root no longer worked.
Therefore the developers of the kernels for the charge built in the capability to auto root when it boots and hands off the hardware to the software.
If you read the posts for the kernels (e.g. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1104634) you would see that.
Cheers!

I stand corrected. It's right there in black and white. Auto-Root on Boot.
We learn something new everyday. Thanks for getting me brought up to speed.

keithce said:
Not true. You simply need to use Odin to flash a new kernel which is rooted (pbj by immuts for example). Once you've done this you'll also get CWM. You need to find an Odin package that only contains the kernel.
Once you've done that, with root you can use TiBackup like you've done before and then flash your ROM.
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Is flashing a custom kernel, like PBJ, easily done using Odin? Do I use the same procedure when flashing CWM?
The latest version of CWM is not working--the button mapping is all screwed up. So I can't install any .zip files from my SD card -- I just keep seeing this f***ing blue banana.
So do I already need to have CWM installed to install a custom kernel? I'm waiting for someone to post CWM 4.0.0.8 until danalo is able to fix the faulty CWM currently linked for downloading
---Thank you for any help you may provide---

MrMakeIt said:
Is flashing a custom kernel, like PBJ, easily done using Odin? Do I use the same procedure when flashing CWM?
The latest version of CWM is not working--the button mapping is all screwed up. So I can't install any .zip files from my SD card -- I just keep seeing this f***ing blue banana.
So do I already need to have CWM installed to install a custom kernel? I'm waiting for someone to post CWM 4.0.0.8 until danalo is able to fix the faulty CWM currently linked for downloading
---Thank you for any help you may provide---
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Flashing anything in Odin uses an almost identical procedure unless you're trying to also upgrade the baseband/radio/modem.
Yes, you can flash a kernel using Odin. You just have to make sure that you download the right file to be flashed because it must be in specific format (*.md5).
Here is a link to jt's kernel from this post. Its a root kernel with CWM and also includes the lagfix (reformat to EXT4) that you should be able to flash using Odin.
That should give you a working (although limited functionality) version of CWM so that you can then install everything else and upgrade when a newer working version of CWM comes out.
Basically you just need to get CWM on there once as a starting point and then you can upgrade, update, and do whatever you want from there.

[Q] CWM and stock recovery

Hello -- I'm new to the Charge but have a little experience rooting/flashing ROMS with Motorola devices. At this point all I want is a rooted device and everything else stock (2.2.1 firmware / EE4). To achieve this I placed the Superuser app zipfile onto my sd card, flashed CWM with Odin, booted into recovery and applied the zip update. Everything went smoothly, my device is now rooted and works fine. However, when I boot back into recovery I find that CWM is still installed, I was under the impression that this procedure would overwrite CWM with stock recovery when I rebooted. I don't really mind having CWM, just wondering if the fact that it wasn't overwritten is indicative of some other problem that is likely to bite me in the a** down the road.
Also, if all I have done is rooted and kept the kernel untouched, will I be able to receive the gingerbread OTA when it is released (if ever)? Or will I have to flash back to a stock Froyo ROM?
Thank you thank you thank you in advance.

talbot27 said:
Hello -- I'm new to the Charge but have a little experience rooting/flashing ROMS with Motorola devices. At this point all I want is a rooted device and everything else stock (2.2.1 firmware / EE4). To achieve this I placed the Superuser app zipfile onto my sd card, flashed CWM with Odin, booted into recovery and applied the zip update. Everything went smoothly, my device is now rooted and works fine. However, when I boot back into recovery I find that CWM is still installed, I was under the impression that this procedure would overwrite CWM with stock recovery when I rebooted. I don't really mind having CWM, just wondering if the fact that it wasn't overwritten is indicative of some other problem that is likely to bite me in the a** down the road.
Also, if all I have done is rooted and kept the kernel untouched, will I be able to receive the gingerbread OTA when it is released (if ever)? Or will I have to flash back to a stock Froyo ROM?
Thank you thank you thank you in advance.
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What zip did you apply IN CWM?
Sounds like you applied a kernel too. Having CWM is not normal if you just flashed the superuser zip.
You will likely need to flash back to stock prior to updating with the GB OTA whenever it comes out.
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Thank you for the reply.
The only zip I applied was the su-2.3.6.3-efgh-signed file downloaded here.
For CWM I flashed 0817_charge_recovery.tar.md5 found here.
Again I am now rooted but can still boot into CWM. After flashing the CWM file and disconnecting my phone, I initially fat-fingered it trying to boot into recovery and it rebooted. I then powered off and booted successfully into CWM to apply the zip file.
Any thoughts?

Ok, the main difference I see between my config and yours is that I may have used a different version of the superuser package.
The one at the link that you provided is superuser/su-3.0-d-signed.zip.
The one that I used is the su-2.3.6.3-efgh-signed.zip from here
You did start out from stock correct?
What is the kernel version in Settings->About phone->Kernel version?

Actually when I downloaded the Superuser zip file from the site I referenced it was su-2.3.6.3-efgh-signed.zip. This was a few weeks ago -- before version 3.0 was added.
My phone was absolutely stock when I got it 2 weeks ago and I have done no other messing with it. The Kernel version as it reads right now is:
2.6.32.9
[email protected] #1

talbot27 said:
Actually when I downloaded the Superuser zip file from the site I referenced it was su-2.3.6.3-efgh-signed.zip. This was a few weeks ago -- before version 3.0 was added.
My phone was absolutely stock when I got it 2 weeks ago and I have done no other messing with it. The Kernel version as it reads right now is:
2.6.32.9
[email protected] #1
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Looks like you did the same steps that I did other than your extra boot into CWM. Usually, the stock init will check for the proper recovery, file systems, etc and then "fix" that which isn't right.
I have never seen it not do that before (I have had to reflash CWM several times before due to botching the 3 button bit)
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You cannot apply the OTA if you have CWM recovery. It will fail. Usually you need to have a fully bloated stock rom w/ stock recovery. Root is ok but you will lose it w/ the update

hoppermi said:
You cannot apply the OTA if you have CWM recovery. It will fail. Usually you need to have a fully bloated stock rom w/ stock recovery. Root is ok but you will lose it w/ the update
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That's kind of why I chose this method to root, thinking that CWM would get overwritten when I rebooted -- but it didn't. Oh well.

talbot27 said:
That's kind of why I chose this method to root, thinking that CWM would get overwritten when I rebooted -- but it didn't. Oh well.
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Enjoy it. I like CWM much better than stock recovery ;-)
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[Q] first time to flash a rom, quick question

I'm going to give CM7 a whirl...
1. it says to start from a red CWM, mine is green (stock froyo with modded 3e recovery). Is that a problem?
2. Does the rom contain a compatible kernel and modem?
Thanks in advance.

Alright so it sounds like you've already installed the modified recovery? Did you use a file manager to delete the original and add the modified one?
If so, I think your next step would be to flash the community kernel v8, it can be found in the infuse development section, or just go to the stickied superthread and find it there.
You need to flash that kernel with sgs kernel flasher found in the market. (free)
That will give you red recovery.
As for if you need red cwm to flash, I do not know, I have only used red recovery to flash roms and I've never had a problem.

yes, I used root exlorer. sounds like I'm on the right track then, thanks!